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Having trouble with this optimization question and was hoping I could get some help with it. The function of the curve is $8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. I would greatly appreciate a full explanation.



I already have that: $A = W times H$, $A = 2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, $A = 16 x^{-frac{x}{5}}$.



I think the derivative of this is $displaystyle frac{-16log x - 16}{5} frac{x^x}{5}$, and in order to get the maximum I have to set it equal to $0$ and solve for it, but I'm somewhat stuck.










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    I'm confused as to why the area would be $2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. Is the rectangle bound by $x = 0$ and $y = 0$? If so, it should be $x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, I think.
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Having trouble with this optimization question and was hoping I could get some help with it. The function of the curve is $8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. I would greatly appreciate a full explanation.



I already have that: $A = W times H$, $A = 2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, $A = 16 x^{-frac{x}{5}}$.



I think the derivative of this is $displaystyle frac{-16log x - 16}{5} frac{x^x}{5}$, and in order to get the maximum I have to set it equal to $0$ and solve for it, but I'm somewhat stuck.










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    I'm confused as to why the area would be $2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. Is the rectangle bound by $x = 0$ and $y = 0$? If so, it should be $x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, I think.
    – 2012ssohn
    Jan 27 '14 at 2:20










  • If you are ok, you can accept the answer and set as solved. Thanks!
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Having trouble with this optimization question and was hoping I could get some help with it. The function of the curve is $8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. I would greatly appreciate a full explanation.



I already have that: $A = W times H$, $A = 2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, $A = 16 x^{-frac{x}{5}}$.



I think the derivative of this is $displaystyle frac{-16log x - 16}{5} frac{x^x}{5}$, and in order to get the maximum I have to set it equal to $0$ and solve for it, but I'm somewhat stuck.










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Having trouble with this optimization question and was hoping I could get some help with it. The function of the curve is $8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. I would greatly appreciate a full explanation.



I already have that: $A = W times H$, $A = 2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, $A = 16 x^{-frac{x}{5}}$.



I think the derivative of this is $displaystyle frac{-16log x - 16}{5} frac{x^x}{5}$, and in order to get the maximum I have to set it equal to $0$ and solve for it, but I'm somewhat stuck.







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    I'm confused as to why the area would be $2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. Is the rectangle bound by $x = 0$ and $y = 0$? If so, it should be $x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, I think.
    – 2012ssohn
    Jan 27 '14 at 2:20










  • If you are ok, you can accept the answer and set as solved. Thanks!
    – gimusi
    Jan 20 at 0:07














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    I'm confused as to why the area would be $2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. Is the rectangle bound by $x = 0$ and $y = 0$? If so, it should be $x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, I think.
    – 2012ssohn
    Jan 27 '14 at 2:20










  • If you are ok, you can accept the answer and set as solved. Thanks!
    – gimusi
    Jan 20 at 0:07








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I'm confused as to why the area would be $2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. Is the rectangle bound by $x = 0$ and $y = 0$? If so, it should be $x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, I think.
– 2012ssohn
Jan 27 '14 at 2:20




I'm confused as to why the area would be $2x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$. Is the rectangle bound by $x = 0$ and $y = 0$? If so, it should be $x times 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$, I think.
– 2012ssohn
Jan 27 '14 at 2:20












If you are ok, you can accept the answer and set as solved. Thanks!
– gimusi
Jan 20 at 0:07




If you are ok, you can accept the answer and set as solved. Thanks!
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Yes, the area is $x 8^{-x/5}$. Take logarithms to obtain



$$log x - (xlog 8)/5,$$



which is maximized at $x=5/log 8$,



which (if I didn't screw things up) yields



$5/(elog 8)$.






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  • Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
    – IceMage88
    Jan 27 '14 at 4:21






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    It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
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Since $8^{-frac{x}{5}}>0$, for $xge 0$ the area is given by $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$$



the derivative is given by



$$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8}$$



$$A'(x)=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8} cdot left(log x-frac{x}{5}log8right)'=8^{-x/5}left(frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8right)=0 implies frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8=0 implies x=frac{5}{log 8}\implies A_{MAX}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-frac{1}{log 8}}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-log_8e}=frac{5}{elog 8}$$






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    Yes, the area is $x 8^{-x/5}$. Take logarithms to obtain



    $$log x - (xlog 8)/5,$$



    which is maximized at $x=5/log 8$,



    which (if I didn't screw things up) yields



    $5/(elog 8)$.






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    • Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
      – IceMage88
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:21






    • 1




      It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
      – JPi
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:24















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    Yes, the area is $x 8^{-x/5}$. Take logarithms to obtain



    $$log x - (xlog 8)/5,$$



    which is maximized at $x=5/log 8$,



    which (if I didn't screw things up) yields



    $5/(elog 8)$.






    share|cite|improve this answer





















    • Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
      – IceMage88
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:21






    • 1




      It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
      – JPi
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:24













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    Yes, the area is $x 8^{-x/5}$. Take logarithms to obtain



    $$log x - (xlog 8)/5,$$



    which is maximized at $x=5/log 8$,



    which (if I didn't screw things up) yields



    $5/(elog 8)$.






    share|cite|improve this answer












    Yes, the area is $x 8^{-x/5}$. Take logarithms to obtain



    $$log x - (xlog 8)/5,$$



    which is maximized at $x=5/log 8$,



    which (if I didn't screw things up) yields



    $5/(elog 8)$.







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    • Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
      – IceMage88
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:21






    • 1




      It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
      – JPi
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:24


















    • Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
      – IceMage88
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:21






    • 1




      It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
      – JPi
      Jan 27 '14 at 4:24
















    Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
    – IceMage88
    Jan 27 '14 at 4:21




    Do you think you might be able to explain this one a little more in depth? I was trying to find the local maximum using the derivative of the function, how does using logarithms help me get the area?
    – IceMage88
    Jan 27 '14 at 4:21




    1




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    It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
    – JPi
    Jan 27 '14 at 4:24




    It helps you find the location of the maximum, not the area itself. If a function $f$ is maximized at $m$ then so is $log f$. In this case maximizing $log f$ seemed easier. I then plugged the $x$ obtained back into the original area formula, i.e. $x8^{-x/5}$.
    – JPi
    Jan 27 '14 at 4:24










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    Since $8^{-frac{x}{5}}>0$, for $xge 0$ the area is given by $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$$



    the derivative is given by



    $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8}$$



    $$A'(x)=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8} cdot left(log x-frac{x}{5}log8right)'=8^{-x/5}left(frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8right)=0 implies frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8=0 implies x=frac{5}{log 8}\implies A_{MAX}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-frac{1}{log 8}}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-log_8e}=frac{5}{elog 8}$$






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      Since $8^{-frac{x}{5}}>0$, for $xge 0$ the area is given by $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$$



      the derivative is given by



      $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8}$$



      $$A'(x)=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8} cdot left(log x-frac{x}{5}log8right)'=8^{-x/5}left(frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8right)=0 implies frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8=0 implies x=frac{5}{log 8}\implies A_{MAX}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-frac{1}{log 8}}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-log_8e}=frac{5}{elog 8}$$






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        Since $8^{-frac{x}{5}}>0$, for $xge 0$ the area is given by $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$$



        the derivative is given by



        $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8}$$



        $$A'(x)=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8} cdot left(log x-frac{x}{5}log8right)'=8^{-x/5}left(frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8right)=0 implies frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8=0 implies x=frac{5}{log 8}\implies A_{MAX}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-frac{1}{log 8}}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-log_8e}=frac{5}{elog 8}$$






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        Since $8^{-frac{x}{5}}>0$, for $xge 0$ the area is given by $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}$$



        the derivative is given by



        $$A(x)=xcdot 8^{-frac{x}{5}}=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8}$$



        $$A'(x)=e^{log x-frac{x}{5}log8} cdot left(log x-frac{x}{5}log8right)'=8^{-x/5}left(frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8right)=0 implies frac1x-frac{1}{5}log8=0 implies x=frac{5}{log 8}\implies A_{MAX}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-frac{1}{log 8}}=frac{5}{log 8}cdot 8^{-log_8e}=frac{5}{elog 8}$$







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