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Suppose that $f$ is differentiable on $(0, infty)$. If we have $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f(x) = c_1$ and $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f'(x) = c_2$, where $c_1 c_2$ are two constants.



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Suppose that $f$ is differentiable on $(0, infty)$. If we have $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f(x) = c_1$ and $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f'(x) = c_2$, where $c_1 c_2$ are two constants.



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Suppose that $f$ is differentiable on $(0, infty)$. If we have $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f(x) = c_1$ and $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f'(x) = c_2$, where $c_1 c_2$ are two constants.



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Suppose that $f$ is differentiable on $(0, infty)$. If we have $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f(x) = c_1$ and $lim_{x rightarrow infty} f'(x) = c_2$, where $c_1 c_2$ are two constants.



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  • Actually, we do not assume $f'$ is continuous. can we still get the conclusion?
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 16:07


















  • Actually, we do not assume $f'$ is continuous. can we still get the conclusion?
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 16:07
















Actually, we do not assume $f'$ is continuous. can we still get the conclusion?
– Alvis
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Actually, we do not assume $f'$ is continuous. can we still get the conclusion?
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It is true, and here's a hint: if $n in mathbb{N}$ and $lim_{x to infty} f(x)$ exists, show that there exists some $M_n$ such that
$$x, y > M_n implies |f(x) - f(y)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
As such, if $x > M_n$, we get $|f(x + 1) - f(x)| < frac{1}{n}$. Use the Mean Value Theorem to find a sequence $x_n$ such that $x_n to infty$, but $f'(x_n) to 0$.



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Fix $n in mathbb{N}$. Then, since $lim_{x to infty} f(x) = c_1$, there exists some $M_n$ such that
$$x > M_n implies |f(x) - c_1| < frac{1}{2n}.$$
Then,
begin{align*}
x > M_n &implies x + 1 > M_n \
&implies |f(x) - c_1| + |c_1 - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{2n} + frac{1}{2n} \
&implies |f(x) - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{n}.
end{align*}

Let $a_n > max{M_n, n}$. Then $|f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}$. Applying the mean value theorem, we get some $x_n in (a_n, a_n + 1)$ such that
$$|f'(x_n)| = left|frac{f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)}{a_n + 1 - a_n}right| = |f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
Hence, by squeeze theorem, $f'(x_n) to 0$. Note also that $x_n > a_n > n$, so $x_n to infty$.



Now, if $f'(x)$ converges as $x to infty$, then $f'(x_n)$ must converge to this limit. As we showed, this limit is $0$, so $f'(x) to 0$.






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  • Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:31












  • @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
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    Nov 15 at 11:32










  • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:34












  • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:41












  • @Alvis I've edited.
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    Nov 15 at 11:45


















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Use mean value theorem to get $f(x+1)-f(x)=f'(c)$ for some $c$ with $x<c<x+1$ and take limit as $xtoinfty $. You get $c_1-c_1=c_2$.






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    It is true, and here's a hint: if $n in mathbb{N}$ and $lim_{x to infty} f(x)$ exists, show that there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x, y > M_n implies |f(x) - f(y)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    As such, if $x > M_n$, we get $|f(x + 1) - f(x)| < frac{1}{n}$. Use the Mean Value Theorem to find a sequence $x_n$ such that $x_n to infty$, but $f'(x_n) to 0$.



    Full Answer:



    Fix $n in mathbb{N}$. Then, since $lim_{x to infty} f(x) = c_1$, there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x > M_n implies |f(x) - c_1| < frac{1}{2n}.$$
    Then,
    begin{align*}
    x > M_n &implies x + 1 > M_n \
    &implies |f(x) - c_1| + |c_1 - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{2n} + frac{1}{2n} \
    &implies |f(x) - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{n}.
    end{align*}

    Let $a_n > max{M_n, n}$. Then $|f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}$. Applying the mean value theorem, we get some $x_n in (a_n, a_n + 1)$ such that
    $$|f'(x_n)| = left|frac{f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)}{a_n + 1 - a_n}right| = |f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    Hence, by squeeze theorem, $f'(x_n) to 0$. Note also that $x_n > a_n > n$, so $x_n to infty$.



    Now, if $f'(x)$ converges as $x to infty$, then $f'(x_n)$ must converge to this limit. As we showed, this limit is $0$, so $f'(x) to 0$.






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    • Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:31












    • @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:32










    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:34












    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:41












    • @Alvis I've edited.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:45















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    It is true, and here's a hint: if $n in mathbb{N}$ and $lim_{x to infty} f(x)$ exists, show that there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x, y > M_n implies |f(x) - f(y)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    As such, if $x > M_n$, we get $|f(x + 1) - f(x)| < frac{1}{n}$. Use the Mean Value Theorem to find a sequence $x_n$ such that $x_n to infty$, but $f'(x_n) to 0$.



    Full Answer:



    Fix $n in mathbb{N}$. Then, since $lim_{x to infty} f(x) = c_1$, there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x > M_n implies |f(x) - c_1| < frac{1}{2n}.$$
    Then,
    begin{align*}
    x > M_n &implies x + 1 > M_n \
    &implies |f(x) - c_1| + |c_1 - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{2n} + frac{1}{2n} \
    &implies |f(x) - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{n}.
    end{align*}

    Let $a_n > max{M_n, n}$. Then $|f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}$. Applying the mean value theorem, we get some $x_n in (a_n, a_n + 1)$ such that
    $$|f'(x_n)| = left|frac{f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)}{a_n + 1 - a_n}right| = |f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    Hence, by squeeze theorem, $f'(x_n) to 0$. Note also that $x_n > a_n > n$, so $x_n to infty$.



    Now, if $f'(x)$ converges as $x to infty$, then $f'(x_n)$ must converge to this limit. As we showed, this limit is $0$, so $f'(x) to 0$.






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    • Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:31












    • @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:32










    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:34












    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:41












    • @Alvis I've edited.
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      Nov 15 at 11:45













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    It is true, and here's a hint: if $n in mathbb{N}$ and $lim_{x to infty} f(x)$ exists, show that there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x, y > M_n implies |f(x) - f(y)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    As such, if $x > M_n$, we get $|f(x + 1) - f(x)| < frac{1}{n}$. Use the Mean Value Theorem to find a sequence $x_n$ such that $x_n to infty$, but $f'(x_n) to 0$.



    Full Answer:



    Fix $n in mathbb{N}$. Then, since $lim_{x to infty} f(x) = c_1$, there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x > M_n implies |f(x) - c_1| < frac{1}{2n}.$$
    Then,
    begin{align*}
    x > M_n &implies x + 1 > M_n \
    &implies |f(x) - c_1| + |c_1 - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{2n} + frac{1}{2n} \
    &implies |f(x) - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{n}.
    end{align*}

    Let $a_n > max{M_n, n}$. Then $|f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}$. Applying the mean value theorem, we get some $x_n in (a_n, a_n + 1)$ such that
    $$|f'(x_n)| = left|frac{f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)}{a_n + 1 - a_n}right| = |f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    Hence, by squeeze theorem, $f'(x_n) to 0$. Note also that $x_n > a_n > n$, so $x_n to infty$.



    Now, if $f'(x)$ converges as $x to infty$, then $f'(x_n)$ must converge to this limit. As we showed, this limit is $0$, so $f'(x) to 0$.






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    It is true, and here's a hint: if $n in mathbb{N}$ and $lim_{x to infty} f(x)$ exists, show that there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x, y > M_n implies |f(x) - f(y)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    As such, if $x > M_n$, we get $|f(x + 1) - f(x)| < frac{1}{n}$. Use the Mean Value Theorem to find a sequence $x_n$ such that $x_n to infty$, but $f'(x_n) to 0$.



    Full Answer:



    Fix $n in mathbb{N}$. Then, since $lim_{x to infty} f(x) = c_1$, there exists some $M_n$ such that
    $$x > M_n implies |f(x) - c_1| < frac{1}{2n}.$$
    Then,
    begin{align*}
    x > M_n &implies x + 1 > M_n \
    &implies |f(x) - c_1| + |c_1 - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{2n} + frac{1}{2n} \
    &implies |f(x) - f(x + 1)| < frac{1}{n}.
    end{align*}

    Let $a_n > max{M_n, n}$. Then $|f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}$. Applying the mean value theorem, we get some $x_n in (a_n, a_n + 1)$ such that
    $$|f'(x_n)| = left|frac{f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)}{a_n + 1 - a_n}right| = |f(a_n + 1) - f(a_n)| < frac{1}{n}.$$
    Hence, by squeeze theorem, $f'(x_n) to 0$. Note also that $x_n > a_n > n$, so $x_n to infty$.



    Now, if $f'(x)$ converges as $x to infty$, then $f'(x_n)$ must converge to this limit. As we showed, this limit is $0$, so $f'(x) to 0$.







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    • Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:31












    • @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:32










    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:34












    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:41












    • @Alvis I've edited.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:45


















    • Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:31












    • @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:32










    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:34












    • Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
      – Alvis
      Nov 15 at 11:41












    • @Alvis I've edited.
      – Theo Bendit
      Nov 15 at 11:45
















    Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:31






    Really appreciate for your answer. Do you have some Lemma in book, such that we can conclude $c2 = 0 $?
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:31














    @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
    – Theo Bendit
    Nov 15 at 11:32




    @Alvis Let me know if you want me to expand this to a full answer.
    – Theo Bendit
    Nov 15 at 11:32












    Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:34






    Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:34














    Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:41






    Yes, it well help if you can expand to a full answer. Thank you very much!
    – Alvis
    Nov 15 at 11:41














    @Alvis I've edited.
    – Theo Bendit
    Nov 15 at 11:45




    @Alvis I've edited.
    – Theo Bendit
    Nov 15 at 11:45










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    Use mean value theorem to get $f(x+1)-f(x)=f'(c)$ for some $c$ with $x<c<x+1$ and take limit as $xtoinfty $. You get $c_1-c_1=c_2$.






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      Use mean value theorem to get $f(x+1)-f(x)=f'(c)$ for some $c$ with $x<c<x+1$ and take limit as $xtoinfty $. You get $c_1-c_1=c_2$.






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        Use mean value theorem to get $f(x+1)-f(x)=f'(c)$ for some $c$ with $x<c<x+1$ and take limit as $xtoinfty $. You get $c_1-c_1=c_2$.






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        Use mean value theorem to get $f(x+1)-f(x)=f'(c)$ for some $c$ with $x<c<x+1$ and take limit as $xtoinfty $. You get $c_1-c_1=c_2$.







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