Going up of an amalgamated decomposition of a subgroup of finite index
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
Let $G$ be a finitely presented group and H a subgroup of index $n$ in $G$. Suppose that H has a non-trivial decomposition as amalgamated product, say $H = A ast_U B$. I am wondering about the following two questions:
(i) If $n = 2$, does then $G$ also have a non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
(ii) More generally, does there exists sufficient conditions (for example on $A,B,U$) such that $G$ also have non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
gr.group-theory graph-theory geometric-group-theory
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
Let $G$ be a finitely presented group and H a subgroup of index $n$ in $G$. Suppose that H has a non-trivial decomposition as amalgamated product, say $H = A ast_U B$. I am wondering about the following two questions:
(i) If $n = 2$, does then $G$ also have a non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
(ii) More generally, does there exists sufficient conditions (for example on $A,B,U$) such that $G$ also have non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
gr.group-theory graph-theory geometric-group-theory
(ii) is a bit open-ended but at least one important case is when $H$ has infinitely many ends and has finite abelianization (maybe unnecessary): then $G$ also has infinitely many ends and one can use Stallings' theorem.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 19:14
Thanks! Your comment was already very enlightening to me (I was not truly familiar with theory of ends). Following some reference, e(H)= e(G) in general (so also without finite abelianization).
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:07
1
Yes but it's not the point. If $e(H)=infty$, we deduce that $e(G)=infty$, so by Stallings, $G$ decomposes as HNN or amalgam over a finite group. If $mathbf{Z}$ is not a quotient of $H$, then it's not a quotient of $G$ and hence we can exclude the HNN possibility and hence $G$ splits as amalgam over a finite group. But just knowing that (a) $G$ has infinitely many ends (b) $G$ has some finite index subgroup with a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, it's unclear to me if $G$ also has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 22:12
Thanks for the clarification. Condition (a) and (b) is actually fully my setting, so I would be very interested in a positive answer.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 23:04
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
Let $G$ be a finitely presented group and H a subgroup of index $n$ in $G$. Suppose that H has a non-trivial decomposition as amalgamated product, say $H = A ast_U B$. I am wondering about the following two questions:
(i) If $n = 2$, does then $G$ also have a non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
(ii) More generally, does there exists sufficient conditions (for example on $A,B,U$) such that $G$ also have non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
gr.group-theory graph-theory geometric-group-theory
Let $G$ be a finitely presented group and H a subgroup of index $n$ in $G$. Suppose that H has a non-trivial decomposition as amalgamated product, say $H = A ast_U B$. I am wondering about the following two questions:
(i) If $n = 2$, does then $G$ also have a non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
(ii) More generally, does there exists sufficient conditions (for example on $A,B,U$) such that $G$ also have non-trivial amalgamated decomposition?
gr.group-theory graph-theory geometric-group-theory
gr.group-theory graph-theory geometric-group-theory
asked Nov 23 at 18:03
Geoffrey Janssens
435
435
(ii) is a bit open-ended but at least one important case is when $H$ has infinitely many ends and has finite abelianization (maybe unnecessary): then $G$ also has infinitely many ends and one can use Stallings' theorem.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 19:14
Thanks! Your comment was already very enlightening to me (I was not truly familiar with theory of ends). Following some reference, e(H)= e(G) in general (so also without finite abelianization).
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:07
1
Yes but it's not the point. If $e(H)=infty$, we deduce that $e(G)=infty$, so by Stallings, $G$ decomposes as HNN or amalgam over a finite group. If $mathbf{Z}$ is not a quotient of $H$, then it's not a quotient of $G$ and hence we can exclude the HNN possibility and hence $G$ splits as amalgam over a finite group. But just knowing that (a) $G$ has infinitely many ends (b) $G$ has some finite index subgroup with a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, it's unclear to me if $G$ also has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 22:12
Thanks for the clarification. Condition (a) and (b) is actually fully my setting, so I would be very interested in a positive answer.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 23:04
add a comment |
(ii) is a bit open-ended but at least one important case is when $H$ has infinitely many ends and has finite abelianization (maybe unnecessary): then $G$ also has infinitely many ends and one can use Stallings' theorem.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 19:14
Thanks! Your comment was already very enlightening to me (I was not truly familiar with theory of ends). Following some reference, e(H)= e(G) in general (so also without finite abelianization).
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:07
1
Yes but it's not the point. If $e(H)=infty$, we deduce that $e(G)=infty$, so by Stallings, $G$ decomposes as HNN or amalgam over a finite group. If $mathbf{Z}$ is not a quotient of $H$, then it's not a quotient of $G$ and hence we can exclude the HNN possibility and hence $G$ splits as amalgam over a finite group. But just knowing that (a) $G$ has infinitely many ends (b) $G$ has some finite index subgroup with a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, it's unclear to me if $G$ also has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 22:12
Thanks for the clarification. Condition (a) and (b) is actually fully my setting, so I would be very interested in a positive answer.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 23:04
(ii) is a bit open-ended but at least one important case is when $H$ has infinitely many ends and has finite abelianization (maybe unnecessary): then $G$ also has infinitely many ends and one can use Stallings' theorem.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 19:14
(ii) is a bit open-ended but at least one important case is when $H$ has infinitely many ends and has finite abelianization (maybe unnecessary): then $G$ also has infinitely many ends and one can use Stallings' theorem.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 19:14
Thanks! Your comment was already very enlightening to me (I was not truly familiar with theory of ends). Following some reference, e(H)= e(G) in general (so also without finite abelianization).
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:07
Thanks! Your comment was already very enlightening to me (I was not truly familiar with theory of ends). Following some reference, e(H)= e(G) in general (so also without finite abelianization).
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:07
1
1
Yes but it's not the point. If $e(H)=infty$, we deduce that $e(G)=infty$, so by Stallings, $G$ decomposes as HNN or amalgam over a finite group. If $mathbf{Z}$ is not a quotient of $H$, then it's not a quotient of $G$ and hence we can exclude the HNN possibility and hence $G$ splits as amalgam over a finite group. But just knowing that (a) $G$ has infinitely many ends (b) $G$ has some finite index subgroup with a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, it's unclear to me if $G$ also has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 22:12
Yes but it's not the point. If $e(H)=infty$, we deduce that $e(G)=infty$, so by Stallings, $G$ decomposes as HNN or amalgam over a finite group. If $mathbf{Z}$ is not a quotient of $H$, then it's not a quotient of $G$ and hence we can exclude the HNN possibility and hence $G$ splits as amalgam over a finite group. But just knowing that (a) $G$ has infinitely many ends (b) $G$ has some finite index subgroup with a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, it's unclear to me if $G$ also has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 22:12
Thanks for the clarification. Condition (a) and (b) is actually fully my setting, so I would be very interested in a positive answer.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 23:04
Thanks for the clarification. Condition (a) and (b) is actually fully my setting, so I would be very interested in a positive answer.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 23:04
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Yes, there are many examples: start from any group $A$, and consider $Awr C_2=A^2rtimes C_2$, $C_2$ permuting both copies. Consider the inclusion of index 2 $$A^2subset Awr C_2.$$
a) If $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, so does the group $A^2$ (since it has $A$ as quotient group).
b) It remains the question when $Awr C_2$ has Property FA. This is answered in Theorem 1.1 of my paper with Aditi Kar (arxiv link, J. Group Theory publisher link). Assuming that $A$ is countable, and $F$ a nontrivial finite group, $Awr F=A^Frtimes F$ has Serre's Property FA if and only if $A$ is finitely generated and has finite abelianization. ($star$)
So, for (a) let's assume that $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, and for (b) let's assume that $A$ is finitely generated with finite abelianization. In this case, $A^2$ admits a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, but not its overgroup of index two $Awr C_2$.
To satisfy both fulfillments, one can take $A$ infinite dihedral, or any Coxeter group with an amalgam decomposition (such as $langle a,b,c:a^2=b^2=c^2=(ab)^k=(bc)^m=1rangle$), or many other examples.
The same holds with the cyclic group $C_2$ replaced with $C_n$ for arbitrary $nge 2$.
To be self-contained here's a proof of ($star$). Let $A$ be a finitely generated group with finite abelianization, $F$ a nontrivial finite group, and let $G=Awr F$ act on a tree $T$ without edge inversion. Write $A^F=prod_{iin F}A_i$.
Suppose that the action is unbounded. Then it is unbounded on $A_i$ for some $i$, and hence on each $A_i$ since they are all conjugate.
Since $A$ is finitely generated, choose some element $f_i$ in $A_i$ acting as a loxodromic isometry; its axis $D_i$ is then invariant by $A_j$ for all $jneq i$. For $jneq i$, $D_j$ is $f_j$-invariant and hence $D_j=D_i$. This proves (using that $|F|ge 2$ to ensure the existence of $j$) that $D_i$ is $A_i$-invariant. Also it does not depend on $i$; call it $D$: $D$ is the unique minimal $A_i$-invariant subtree $T_i$ of $T$. Since $F$ permutes the $T_i$, it thus preserves the axis $D$.
Since the actions of each $A_i$ on the axis $D$ commute with each other and are all unbounded and $|F|ge 2$, they cannot be orientation reversing (since the centralizer of an orientation-reserving unbounded action on the line is trivial); so the action of $A_i$ on $D$ is given by a nontrivial homomorphism $A_itomathrm{Aut}^+(D)simeqmathbf{Z}$. But since $A$ has a finite abelianization, we deduce a contradiction.
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Yes, there are many examples: start from any group $A$, and consider $Awr C_2=A^2rtimes C_2$, $C_2$ permuting both copies. Consider the inclusion of index 2 $$A^2subset Awr C_2.$$
a) If $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, so does the group $A^2$ (since it has $A$ as quotient group).
b) It remains the question when $Awr C_2$ has Property FA. This is answered in Theorem 1.1 of my paper with Aditi Kar (arxiv link, J. Group Theory publisher link). Assuming that $A$ is countable, and $F$ a nontrivial finite group, $Awr F=A^Frtimes F$ has Serre's Property FA if and only if $A$ is finitely generated and has finite abelianization. ($star$)
So, for (a) let's assume that $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, and for (b) let's assume that $A$ is finitely generated with finite abelianization. In this case, $A^2$ admits a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, but not its overgroup of index two $Awr C_2$.
To satisfy both fulfillments, one can take $A$ infinite dihedral, or any Coxeter group with an amalgam decomposition (such as $langle a,b,c:a^2=b^2=c^2=(ab)^k=(bc)^m=1rangle$), or many other examples.
The same holds with the cyclic group $C_2$ replaced with $C_n$ for arbitrary $nge 2$.
To be self-contained here's a proof of ($star$). Let $A$ be a finitely generated group with finite abelianization, $F$ a nontrivial finite group, and let $G=Awr F$ act on a tree $T$ without edge inversion. Write $A^F=prod_{iin F}A_i$.
Suppose that the action is unbounded. Then it is unbounded on $A_i$ for some $i$, and hence on each $A_i$ since they are all conjugate.
Since $A$ is finitely generated, choose some element $f_i$ in $A_i$ acting as a loxodromic isometry; its axis $D_i$ is then invariant by $A_j$ for all $jneq i$. For $jneq i$, $D_j$ is $f_j$-invariant and hence $D_j=D_i$. This proves (using that $|F|ge 2$ to ensure the existence of $j$) that $D_i$ is $A_i$-invariant. Also it does not depend on $i$; call it $D$: $D$ is the unique minimal $A_i$-invariant subtree $T_i$ of $T$. Since $F$ permutes the $T_i$, it thus preserves the axis $D$.
Since the actions of each $A_i$ on the axis $D$ commute with each other and are all unbounded and $|F|ge 2$, they cannot be orientation reversing (since the centralizer of an orientation-reserving unbounded action on the line is trivial); so the action of $A_i$ on $D$ is given by a nontrivial homomorphism $A_itomathrm{Aut}^+(D)simeqmathbf{Z}$. But since $A$ has a finite abelianization, we deduce a contradiction.
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Yes, there are many examples: start from any group $A$, and consider $Awr C_2=A^2rtimes C_2$, $C_2$ permuting both copies. Consider the inclusion of index 2 $$A^2subset Awr C_2.$$
a) If $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, so does the group $A^2$ (since it has $A$ as quotient group).
b) It remains the question when $Awr C_2$ has Property FA. This is answered in Theorem 1.1 of my paper with Aditi Kar (arxiv link, J. Group Theory publisher link). Assuming that $A$ is countable, and $F$ a nontrivial finite group, $Awr F=A^Frtimes F$ has Serre's Property FA if and only if $A$ is finitely generated and has finite abelianization. ($star$)
So, for (a) let's assume that $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, and for (b) let's assume that $A$ is finitely generated with finite abelianization. In this case, $A^2$ admits a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, but not its overgroup of index two $Awr C_2$.
To satisfy both fulfillments, one can take $A$ infinite dihedral, or any Coxeter group with an amalgam decomposition (such as $langle a,b,c:a^2=b^2=c^2=(ab)^k=(bc)^m=1rangle$), or many other examples.
The same holds with the cyclic group $C_2$ replaced with $C_n$ for arbitrary $nge 2$.
To be self-contained here's a proof of ($star$). Let $A$ be a finitely generated group with finite abelianization, $F$ a nontrivial finite group, and let $G=Awr F$ act on a tree $T$ without edge inversion. Write $A^F=prod_{iin F}A_i$.
Suppose that the action is unbounded. Then it is unbounded on $A_i$ for some $i$, and hence on each $A_i$ since they are all conjugate.
Since $A$ is finitely generated, choose some element $f_i$ in $A_i$ acting as a loxodromic isometry; its axis $D_i$ is then invariant by $A_j$ for all $jneq i$. For $jneq i$, $D_j$ is $f_j$-invariant and hence $D_j=D_i$. This proves (using that $|F|ge 2$ to ensure the existence of $j$) that $D_i$ is $A_i$-invariant. Also it does not depend on $i$; call it $D$: $D$ is the unique minimal $A_i$-invariant subtree $T_i$ of $T$. Since $F$ permutes the $T_i$, it thus preserves the axis $D$.
Since the actions of each $A_i$ on the axis $D$ commute with each other and are all unbounded and $|F|ge 2$, they cannot be orientation reversing (since the centralizer of an orientation-reserving unbounded action on the line is trivial); so the action of $A_i$ on $D$ is given by a nontrivial homomorphism $A_itomathrm{Aut}^+(D)simeqmathbf{Z}$. But since $A$ has a finite abelianization, we deduce a contradiction.
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Yes, there are many examples: start from any group $A$, and consider $Awr C_2=A^2rtimes C_2$, $C_2$ permuting both copies. Consider the inclusion of index 2 $$A^2subset Awr C_2.$$
a) If $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, so does the group $A^2$ (since it has $A$ as quotient group).
b) It remains the question when $Awr C_2$ has Property FA. This is answered in Theorem 1.1 of my paper with Aditi Kar (arxiv link, J. Group Theory publisher link). Assuming that $A$ is countable, and $F$ a nontrivial finite group, $Awr F=A^Frtimes F$ has Serre's Property FA if and only if $A$ is finitely generated and has finite abelianization. ($star$)
So, for (a) let's assume that $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, and for (b) let's assume that $A$ is finitely generated with finite abelianization. In this case, $A^2$ admits a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, but not its overgroup of index two $Awr C_2$.
To satisfy both fulfillments, one can take $A$ infinite dihedral, or any Coxeter group with an amalgam decomposition (such as $langle a,b,c:a^2=b^2=c^2=(ab)^k=(bc)^m=1rangle$), or many other examples.
The same holds with the cyclic group $C_2$ replaced with $C_n$ for arbitrary $nge 2$.
To be self-contained here's a proof of ($star$). Let $A$ be a finitely generated group with finite abelianization, $F$ a nontrivial finite group, and let $G=Awr F$ act on a tree $T$ without edge inversion. Write $A^F=prod_{iin F}A_i$.
Suppose that the action is unbounded. Then it is unbounded on $A_i$ for some $i$, and hence on each $A_i$ since they are all conjugate.
Since $A$ is finitely generated, choose some element $f_i$ in $A_i$ acting as a loxodromic isometry; its axis $D_i$ is then invariant by $A_j$ for all $jneq i$. For $jneq i$, $D_j$ is $f_j$-invariant and hence $D_j=D_i$. This proves (using that $|F|ge 2$ to ensure the existence of $j$) that $D_i$ is $A_i$-invariant. Also it does not depend on $i$; call it $D$: $D$ is the unique minimal $A_i$-invariant subtree $T_i$ of $T$. Since $F$ permutes the $T_i$, it thus preserves the axis $D$.
Since the actions of each $A_i$ on the axis $D$ commute with each other and are all unbounded and $|F|ge 2$, they cannot be orientation reversing (since the centralizer of an orientation-reserving unbounded action on the line is trivial); so the action of $A_i$ on $D$ is given by a nontrivial homomorphism $A_itomathrm{Aut}^+(D)simeqmathbf{Z}$. But since $A$ has a finite abelianization, we deduce a contradiction.
Yes, there are many examples: start from any group $A$, and consider $Awr C_2=A^2rtimes C_2$, $C_2$ permuting both copies. Consider the inclusion of index 2 $$A^2subset Awr C_2.$$
a) If $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, so does the group $A^2$ (since it has $A$ as quotient group).
b) It remains the question when $Awr C_2$ has Property FA. This is answered in Theorem 1.1 of my paper with Aditi Kar (arxiv link, J. Group Theory publisher link). Assuming that $A$ is countable, and $F$ a nontrivial finite group, $Awr F=A^Frtimes F$ has Serre's Property FA if and only if $A$ is finitely generated and has finite abelianization. ($star$)
So, for (a) let's assume that $A$ has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, and for (b) let's assume that $A$ is finitely generated with finite abelianization. In this case, $A^2$ admits a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, but not its overgroup of index two $Awr C_2$.
To satisfy both fulfillments, one can take $A$ infinite dihedral, or any Coxeter group with an amalgam decomposition (such as $langle a,b,c:a^2=b^2=c^2=(ab)^k=(bc)^m=1rangle$), or many other examples.
The same holds with the cyclic group $C_2$ replaced with $C_n$ for arbitrary $nge 2$.
To be self-contained here's a proof of ($star$). Let $A$ be a finitely generated group with finite abelianization, $F$ a nontrivial finite group, and let $G=Awr F$ act on a tree $T$ without edge inversion. Write $A^F=prod_{iin F}A_i$.
Suppose that the action is unbounded. Then it is unbounded on $A_i$ for some $i$, and hence on each $A_i$ since they are all conjugate.
Since $A$ is finitely generated, choose some element $f_i$ in $A_i$ acting as a loxodromic isometry; its axis $D_i$ is then invariant by $A_j$ for all $jneq i$. For $jneq i$, $D_j$ is $f_j$-invariant and hence $D_j=D_i$. This proves (using that $|F|ge 2$ to ensure the existence of $j$) that $D_i$ is $A_i$-invariant. Also it does not depend on $i$; call it $D$: $D$ is the unique minimal $A_i$-invariant subtree $T_i$ of $T$. Since $F$ permutes the $T_i$, it thus preserves the axis $D$.
Since the actions of each $A_i$ on the axis $D$ commute with each other and are all unbounded and $|F|ge 2$, they cannot be orientation reversing (since the centralizer of an orientation-reserving unbounded action on the line is trivial); so the action of $A_i$ on $D$ is given by a nontrivial homomorphism $A_itomathrm{Aut}^+(D)simeqmathbf{Z}$. But since $A$ has a finite abelianization, we deduce a contradiction.
edited Nov 23 at 19:11
answered Nov 23 at 18:39
YCor
27k380132
27k380132
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
add a comment |
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
Thanks a lot for your very clear and precise answer!! Also for the reference to your interesting article with Aditi.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:08
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to MathOverflow!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.
Please pay close attention to the following guidance:
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmathoverflow.net%2fquestions%2f316048%2fgoing-up-of-an-amalgamated-decomposition-of-a-subgroup-of-finite-index%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
(ii) is a bit open-ended but at least one important case is when $H$ has infinitely many ends and has finite abelianization (maybe unnecessary): then $G$ also has infinitely many ends and one can use Stallings' theorem.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 19:14
Thanks! Your comment was already very enlightening to me (I was not truly familiar with theory of ends). Following some reference, e(H)= e(G) in general (so also without finite abelianization).
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 22:07
1
Yes but it's not the point. If $e(H)=infty$, we deduce that $e(G)=infty$, so by Stallings, $G$ decomposes as HNN or amalgam over a finite group. If $mathbf{Z}$ is not a quotient of $H$, then it's not a quotient of $G$ and hence we can exclude the HNN possibility and hence $G$ splits as amalgam over a finite group. But just knowing that (a) $G$ has infinitely many ends (b) $G$ has some finite index subgroup with a nontrivial amalgam decomposition, it's unclear to me if $G$ also has a nontrivial amalgam decomposition.
– YCor
Nov 23 at 22:12
Thanks for the clarification. Condition (a) and (b) is actually fully my setting, so I would be very interested in a positive answer.
– Geoffrey Janssens
Nov 23 at 23:04