Newton polygon : Show that precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$
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$text{Newton Polygons for Polynomials}$
There is a lemma in the book $ text{p-adic numbers, p-adic analysis and zet-functions} $ of the author $ text{Neal Koblitz} $ which I mentioned below:
$ text{Lemma 4}: $ Let $ f(X)=(1-frac{X}{alpha_1})(1-frac{X}{alpha_2}) cdots (1-frac{X}{alpha_n})$ be the factorisation of $ f(X)$ in terms of its roots $ alpha_i in Omega$. Let $ lambda_i= text{ord}_p (frac{1}{alpha_i})$. Then, if $ lambda $ is a slope of the Newton polygon having length $l$, it follows that precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$.
($Omega$ is a field which is the completion of the algebraic closure of the p-adic field $ mathbb{Q}_p$)
In other words, the slopes of the Newton polygon of $f(X)$ are (counting multiplicity) the p-adic ordinals of the reciprocal roots of $f(X)$.
This is all about the Lemma.
My question-
Is the length $l$ of the Newton Polygon a natural number?
If it is true, then why?
According to the first statement of the Lemma, it says $ text{precisely $l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$, which imply $ l$ must be a natural number.
Though I could not explain it why it is a natural number or why should the length of the newton polygon be a natural number.
Please someone explain it.
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$text{Newton Polygons for Polynomials}$
There is a lemma in the book $ text{p-adic numbers, p-adic analysis and zet-functions} $ of the author $ text{Neal Koblitz} $ which I mentioned below:
$ text{Lemma 4}: $ Let $ f(X)=(1-frac{X}{alpha_1})(1-frac{X}{alpha_2}) cdots (1-frac{X}{alpha_n})$ be the factorisation of $ f(X)$ in terms of its roots $ alpha_i in Omega$. Let $ lambda_i= text{ord}_p (frac{1}{alpha_i})$. Then, if $ lambda $ is a slope of the Newton polygon having length $l$, it follows that precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$.
($Omega$ is a field which is the completion of the algebraic closure of the p-adic field $ mathbb{Q}_p$)
In other words, the slopes of the Newton polygon of $f(X)$ are (counting multiplicity) the p-adic ordinals of the reciprocal roots of $f(X)$.
This is all about the Lemma.
My question-
Is the length $l$ of the Newton Polygon a natural number?
If it is true, then why?
According to the first statement of the Lemma, it says $ text{precisely $l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$, which imply $ l$ must be a natural number.
Though I could not explain it why it is a natural number or why should the length of the newton polygon be a natural number.
Please someone explain it.
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Did you read in the book what the "length" of a segment of the Newton polygon means? It does not mean the length of the segment in the usual sense, but its "horizontal length" (length of projection onto the $x$-axis). Look up any other treatment of the Newton polygon and you should see something similar (e.g., the Wikipedia page on Newton polygons).
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:01
@KCd, what does the sentence $ text{precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$ mean here?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:04
If in a list of numbers $lambda_1, lambda_2, ldots, lambda_n$ (not necessarily distinct) you're told that precisely 3 of the numbers are equal to 4/7 then are you not sure what that means?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:07
@KCd, Is the horizontal length or the length of projection of the segment onto x-axis a natural number ?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:12
1
Try looking at actual examples. For instance, Is the length of the projection of the line segment from (2,1/2) to (5,11/4) a natural number?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:22
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$text{Newton Polygons for Polynomials}$
There is a lemma in the book $ text{p-adic numbers, p-adic analysis and zet-functions} $ of the author $ text{Neal Koblitz} $ which I mentioned below:
$ text{Lemma 4}: $ Let $ f(X)=(1-frac{X}{alpha_1})(1-frac{X}{alpha_2}) cdots (1-frac{X}{alpha_n})$ be the factorisation of $ f(X)$ in terms of its roots $ alpha_i in Omega$. Let $ lambda_i= text{ord}_p (frac{1}{alpha_i})$. Then, if $ lambda $ is a slope of the Newton polygon having length $l$, it follows that precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$.
($Omega$ is a field which is the completion of the algebraic closure of the p-adic field $ mathbb{Q}_p$)
In other words, the slopes of the Newton polygon of $f(X)$ are (counting multiplicity) the p-adic ordinals of the reciprocal roots of $f(X)$.
This is all about the Lemma.
My question-
Is the length $l$ of the Newton Polygon a natural number?
If it is true, then why?
According to the first statement of the Lemma, it says $ text{precisely $l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$, which imply $ l$ must be a natural number.
Though I could not explain it why it is a natural number or why should the length of the newton polygon be a natural number.
Please someone explain it.
algebraic-number-theory p-adic-number-theory local-field
$text{Newton Polygons for Polynomials}$
There is a lemma in the book $ text{p-adic numbers, p-adic analysis and zet-functions} $ of the author $ text{Neal Koblitz} $ which I mentioned below:
$ text{Lemma 4}: $ Let $ f(X)=(1-frac{X}{alpha_1})(1-frac{X}{alpha_2}) cdots (1-frac{X}{alpha_n})$ be the factorisation of $ f(X)$ in terms of its roots $ alpha_i in Omega$. Let $ lambda_i= text{ord}_p (frac{1}{alpha_i})$. Then, if $ lambda $ is a slope of the Newton polygon having length $l$, it follows that precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$.
($Omega$ is a field which is the completion of the algebraic closure of the p-adic field $ mathbb{Q}_p$)
In other words, the slopes of the Newton polygon of $f(X)$ are (counting multiplicity) the p-adic ordinals of the reciprocal roots of $f(X)$.
This is all about the Lemma.
My question-
Is the length $l$ of the Newton Polygon a natural number?
If it is true, then why?
According to the first statement of the Lemma, it says $ text{precisely $l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$, which imply $ l$ must be a natural number.
Though I could not explain it why it is a natural number or why should the length of the newton polygon be a natural number.
Please someone explain it.
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Did you read in the book what the "length" of a segment of the Newton polygon means? It does not mean the length of the segment in the usual sense, but its "horizontal length" (length of projection onto the $x$-axis). Look up any other treatment of the Newton polygon and you should see something similar (e.g., the Wikipedia page on Newton polygons).
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:01
@KCd, what does the sentence $ text{precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$ mean here?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:04
If in a list of numbers $lambda_1, lambda_2, ldots, lambda_n$ (not necessarily distinct) you're told that precisely 3 of the numbers are equal to 4/7 then are you not sure what that means?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:07
@KCd, Is the horizontal length or the length of projection of the segment onto x-axis a natural number ?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:12
1
Try looking at actual examples. For instance, Is the length of the projection of the line segment from (2,1/2) to (5,11/4) a natural number?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:22
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Did you read in the book what the "length" of a segment of the Newton polygon means? It does not mean the length of the segment in the usual sense, but its "horizontal length" (length of projection onto the $x$-axis). Look up any other treatment of the Newton polygon and you should see something similar (e.g., the Wikipedia page on Newton polygons).
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:01
@KCd, what does the sentence $ text{precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$ mean here?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:04
If in a list of numbers $lambda_1, lambda_2, ldots, lambda_n$ (not necessarily distinct) you're told that precisely 3 of the numbers are equal to 4/7 then are you not sure what that means?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:07
@KCd, Is the horizontal length or the length of projection of the segment onto x-axis a natural number ?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:12
1
Try looking at actual examples. For instance, Is the length of the projection of the line segment from (2,1/2) to (5,11/4) a natural number?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:22
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Did you read in the book what the "length" of a segment of the Newton polygon means? It does not mean the length of the segment in the usual sense, but its "horizontal length" (length of projection onto the $x$-axis). Look up any other treatment of the Newton polygon and you should see something similar (e.g., the Wikipedia page on Newton polygons).
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:01
Did you read in the book what the "length" of a segment of the Newton polygon means? It does not mean the length of the segment in the usual sense, but its "horizontal length" (length of projection onto the $x$-axis). Look up any other treatment of the Newton polygon and you should see something similar (e.g., the Wikipedia page on Newton polygons).
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:01
@KCd, what does the sentence $ text{precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$ mean here?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:04
@KCd, what does the sentence $ text{precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$ mean here?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:04
If in a list of numbers $lambda_1, lambda_2, ldots, lambda_n$ (not necessarily distinct) you're told that precisely 3 of the numbers are equal to 4/7 then are you not sure what that means?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:07
If in a list of numbers $lambda_1, lambda_2, ldots, lambda_n$ (not necessarily distinct) you're told that precisely 3 of the numbers are equal to 4/7 then are you not sure what that means?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:07
@KCd, Is the horizontal length or the length of projection of the segment onto x-axis a natural number ?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:12
@KCd, Is the horizontal length or the length of projection of the segment onto x-axis a natural number ?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:12
1
1
Try looking at actual examples. For instance, Is the length of the projection of the line segment from (2,1/2) to (5,11/4) a natural number?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:22
Try looking at actual examples. For instance, Is the length of the projection of the line segment from (2,1/2) to (5,11/4) a natural number?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:22
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Did you read in the book what the "length" of a segment of the Newton polygon means? It does not mean the length of the segment in the usual sense, but its "horizontal length" (length of projection onto the $x$-axis). Look up any other treatment of the Newton polygon and you should see something similar (e.g., the Wikipedia page on Newton polygons).
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:01
@KCd, what does the sentence $ text{precisely $ l$ of the $ lambda_i$ are equal to $ lambda$}$ mean here?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:04
If in a list of numbers $lambda_1, lambda_2, ldots, lambda_n$ (not necessarily distinct) you're told that precisely 3 of the numbers are equal to 4/7 then are you not sure what that means?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:07
@KCd, Is the horizontal length or the length of projection of the segment onto x-axis a natural number ?
– M. A. SARKAR
Nov 15 at 12:12
1
Try looking at actual examples. For instance, Is the length of the projection of the line segment from (2,1/2) to (5,11/4) a natural number?
– KCd
Nov 15 at 12:22