Which of the following statements are true for $A={tsin(frac{1}{t}) | tin (0,frac{2}{pi})}$?












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Let $A={tsin(frac{1}{t}) | tin (0,frac{2}{pi})}$.



Then




  1. $sup (A)<frac{2}{pi}+frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  2. $inf (A)> frac{-2}{3pi}-frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  3. $sup (A)=1$

  4. $inf (A)=-1$


My answer was options $1$ and $2$ which matched with prelim answer key provided by organization, but the final answer key changed the answer to option $1$ only. Why is option $2$ not correct?



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As $-tle tsin(1/t)le t$. So $tsin(1/t)$ will always be less than $frac{2}{pi}$ which is strictly less than $1$. So option $3$ is false and option $1$ is true. Also value of $tsin(1/t)$ is always greater than or equal to $-2/pi=-0.63$, so infimum cannot be $-1$.



Now at $t=2/3pi$ , function has value $frac{-2}{3pi}$. So if option $2$ is false we must have some value of $t$ in $A$ for which the function attains value strictly less than $frac{-2}{3pi}$. Right?



Can you please help me with option $2$ now. Thanks in advance.










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    Are you sure it's $-1/(npi)$ in option $2$ and not $+1/(npi)$ ?
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Let $A={tsin(frac{1}{t}) | tin (0,frac{2}{pi})}$.



Then




  1. $sup (A)<frac{2}{pi}+frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  2. $inf (A)> frac{-2}{3pi}-frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  3. $sup (A)=1$

  4. $inf (A)=-1$


My answer was options $1$ and $2$ which matched with prelim answer key provided by organization, but the final answer key changed the answer to option $1$ only. Why is option $2$ not correct?



My attempt-



As $-tle tsin(1/t)le t$. So $tsin(1/t)$ will always be less than $frac{2}{pi}$ which is strictly less than $1$. So option $3$ is false and option $1$ is true. Also value of $tsin(1/t)$ is always greater than or equal to $-2/pi=-0.63$, so infimum cannot be $-1$.



Now at $t=2/3pi$ , function has value $frac{-2}{3pi}$. So if option $2$ is false we must have some value of $t$ in $A$ for which the function attains value strictly less than $frac{-2}{3pi}$. Right?



Can you please help me with option $2$ now. Thanks in advance.










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    Are you sure it's $-1/(npi)$ in option $2$ and not $+1/(npi)$ ?
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Let $A={tsin(frac{1}{t}) | tin (0,frac{2}{pi})}$.



Then




  1. $sup (A)<frac{2}{pi}+frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  2. $inf (A)> frac{-2}{3pi}-frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  3. $sup (A)=1$

  4. $inf (A)=-1$


My answer was options $1$ and $2$ which matched with prelim answer key provided by organization, but the final answer key changed the answer to option $1$ only. Why is option $2$ not correct?



My attempt-



As $-tle tsin(1/t)le t$. So $tsin(1/t)$ will always be less than $frac{2}{pi}$ which is strictly less than $1$. So option $3$ is false and option $1$ is true. Also value of $tsin(1/t)$ is always greater than or equal to $-2/pi=-0.63$, so infimum cannot be $-1$.



Now at $t=2/3pi$ , function has value $frac{-2}{3pi}$. So if option $2$ is false we must have some value of $t$ in $A$ for which the function attains value strictly less than $frac{-2}{3pi}$. Right?



Can you please help me with option $2$ now. Thanks in advance.










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Let $A={tsin(frac{1}{t}) | tin (0,frac{2}{pi})}$.



Then




  1. $sup (A)<frac{2}{pi}+frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  2. $inf (A)> frac{-2}{3pi}-frac{1}{npi}$ for all $nge 1$.


  3. $sup (A)=1$

  4. $inf (A)=-1$


My answer was options $1$ and $2$ which matched with prelim answer key provided by organization, but the final answer key changed the answer to option $1$ only. Why is option $2$ not correct?



My attempt-



As $-tle tsin(1/t)le t$. So $tsin(1/t)$ will always be less than $frac{2}{pi}$ which is strictly less than $1$. So option $3$ is false and option $1$ is true. Also value of $tsin(1/t)$ is always greater than or equal to $-2/pi=-0.63$, so infimum cannot be $-1$.



Now at $t=2/3pi$ , function has value $frac{-2}{3pi}$. So if option $2$ is false we must have some value of $t$ in $A$ for which the function attains value strictly less than $frac{-2}{3pi}$. Right?



Can you please help me with option $2$ now. Thanks in advance.







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    Are you sure it's $-1/(npi)$ in option $2$ and not $+1/(npi)$ ?
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    Are you sure it's $-1/(npi)$ in option $2$ and not $+1/(npi)$ ?
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If the option $2$ is true, it means that $$inf Age -{2over 3pi}$$ since $inf A> -{2over 3pi}-{1over npi}$ is true for all $n>1$. Since $$large tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=-{2over 3pi}$$ then we must have $inf A= -{2over 3pi}$ and $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=0$$ because the infimum is equal to minimum now (since it is attained in $t={2over 3pi}in A$) and as the function is differentiable in $A$. But this doesn't hold since $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=large sin {1over t}-{1over t}cos {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}}=-1ne 0$$therefore option $2$ is incorrect.






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The graph of $sin(1/t)$ turns at $t=2/3pi$, but this is not true of $tsin(1/t)$. Multiplying by $t$ has the effect of pushing the minimum point to the right and down slightly.



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Since $a>b-frac{1}{pi n}$ for all $nge 1$ iff $age b$, we are done.



To see this without a graph, lets start from your correct observation that for $f(t) = tsin (1/t)$, $f(2/3pi) = -2/3pi$. The derivative at this point however is
$$ f'(3pi/2) = sin(3pi/2) + 2/3pi cos(3pi/2) = -1 $$



Since $f$ is smooth on a small neighbourhood of $2/3pi$, $f'le -1/2<0$ on this neighbourhood. Thus $f$ is decreasing at $2/3pi$.



Something slightly more general is true:




Suppose $f$ is smooth, $f(1)=0=f(2)$, $fle 0$ and $f$ has a unique non degenerate minimum point $x_0$ in $[1,2]$. Then $g(x)=xf(x)$ has a minimum point to the right and below of $x_0$.




Proof- by a similar computation to the above, $g$ is decreasing at $x_0$. As $g(2)=2f(2)=0$, we conclude by Intermediate Value Theorem and Rolles' Theorem.






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Like some other answers, but written differently:



Let $f(t)= tsin(1/t).$ Then $f'(t)= sin(1/t) - [cos (1/t)]/t$ for $t>0.$ Thus $f'(2/(3pi)) = -1.$ Hence for $t$ near and to the right of $2/(3pi),$ we have



$$frac{f(t)-f(2/(3pi)}{t-2/(3pi)}<-frac{1}{2}.$$



For such $t$ we have $f(t)<f(2/(3pi)=-2/(3pi).$ Hence $inf A <-2/(3pi),$ which implies 2. does not hold.






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    Let $x=1/timplies A={frac{sin x}x:x>pi/2}$



    Let $f(x)=frac{sin x}x, x>pi/2$



    $f(3pi/2)=-frac2{3pi}<0, f'(3pi/2)>0implies f$ is strictly increasing at $3pi/2$



    This means you can find $ainvarepsilon-$neighbourhood of $3pi/2$ such that $f(a)<f(3pi/2)implies f(a)<-frac2{3pi}$






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    If the option $2$ is true, it means that $$inf Age -{2over 3pi}$$ since $inf A> -{2over 3pi}-{1over npi}$ is true for all $n>1$. Since $$large tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=-{2over 3pi}$$ then we must have $inf A= -{2over 3pi}$ and $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=0$$ because the infimum is equal to minimum now (since it is attained in $t={2over 3pi}in A$) and as the function is differentiable in $A$. But this doesn't hold since $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=large sin {1over t}-{1over t}cos {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}}=-1ne 0$$therefore option $2$ is incorrect.






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    If the option $2$ is true, it means that $$inf Age -{2over 3pi}$$ since $inf A> -{2over 3pi}-{1over npi}$ is true for all $n>1$. Since $$large tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=-{2over 3pi}$$ then we must have $inf A= -{2over 3pi}$ and $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=0$$ because the infimum is equal to minimum now (since it is attained in $t={2over 3pi}in A$) and as the function is differentiable in $A$. But this doesn't hold since $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=large sin {1over t}-{1over t}cos {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}}=-1ne 0$$therefore option $2$ is incorrect.






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    If the option $2$ is true, it means that $$inf Age -{2over 3pi}$$ since $inf A> -{2over 3pi}-{1over npi}$ is true for all $n>1$. Since $$large tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=-{2over 3pi}$$ then we must have $inf A= -{2over 3pi}$ and $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=0$$ because the infimum is equal to minimum now (since it is attained in $t={2over 3pi}in A$) and as the function is differentiable in $A$. But this doesn't hold since $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=large sin {1over t}-{1over t}cos {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}}=-1ne 0$$therefore option $2$ is incorrect.






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    If the option $2$ is true, it means that $$inf Age -{2over 3pi}$$ since $inf A> -{2over 3pi}-{1over npi}$ is true for all $n>1$. Since $$large tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=-{2over 3pi}$$ then we must have $inf A= -{2over 3pi}$ and $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=0$$ because the infimum is equal to minimum now (since it is attained in $t={2over 3pi}in A$) and as the function is differentiable in $A$. But this doesn't hold since $$large {dover dt}tsin {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}in A}=large sin {1over t}-{1over t}cos {1over t}Big|_{t={2over 3pi}}=-1ne 0$$therefore option $2$ is incorrect.







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    The graph of $sin(1/t)$ turns at $t=2/3pi$, but this is not true of $tsin(1/t)$. Multiplying by $t$ has the effect of pushing the minimum point to the right and down slightly.



    enter image description hereenter image description here
    Since $a>b-frac{1}{pi n}$ for all $nge 1$ iff $age b$, we are done.



    To see this without a graph, lets start from your correct observation that for $f(t) = tsin (1/t)$, $f(2/3pi) = -2/3pi$. The derivative at this point however is
    $$ f'(3pi/2) = sin(3pi/2) + 2/3pi cos(3pi/2) = -1 $$



    Since $f$ is smooth on a small neighbourhood of $2/3pi$, $f'le -1/2<0$ on this neighbourhood. Thus $f$ is decreasing at $2/3pi$.



    Something slightly more general is true:




    Suppose $f$ is smooth, $f(1)=0=f(2)$, $fle 0$ and $f$ has a unique non degenerate minimum point $x_0$ in $[1,2]$. Then $g(x)=xf(x)$ has a minimum point to the right and below of $x_0$.




    Proof- by a similar computation to the above, $g$ is decreasing at $x_0$. As $g(2)=2f(2)=0$, we conclude by Intermediate Value Theorem and Rolles' Theorem.






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      Can you prove it using the first derivative test?
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      @GNUSupporter8964民主女神地下教會 do you mean the claim that the minimum is pushed to the right?
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    The graph of $sin(1/t)$ turns at $t=2/3pi$, but this is not true of $tsin(1/t)$. Multiplying by $t$ has the effect of pushing the minimum point to the right and down slightly.



    enter image description hereenter image description here
    Since $a>b-frac{1}{pi n}$ for all $nge 1$ iff $age b$, we are done.



    To see this without a graph, lets start from your correct observation that for $f(t) = tsin (1/t)$, $f(2/3pi) = -2/3pi$. The derivative at this point however is
    $$ f'(3pi/2) = sin(3pi/2) + 2/3pi cos(3pi/2) = -1 $$



    Since $f$ is smooth on a small neighbourhood of $2/3pi$, $f'le -1/2<0$ on this neighbourhood. Thus $f$ is decreasing at $2/3pi$.



    Something slightly more general is true:




    Suppose $f$ is smooth, $f(1)=0=f(2)$, $fle 0$ and $f$ has a unique non degenerate minimum point $x_0$ in $[1,2]$. Then $g(x)=xf(x)$ has a minimum point to the right and below of $x_0$.




    Proof- by a similar computation to the above, $g$ is decreasing at $x_0$. As $g(2)=2f(2)=0$, we conclude by Intermediate Value Theorem and Rolles' Theorem.






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      Can you prove it using the first derivative test?
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      – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
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    • $begingroup$
      @GNUSupporter8964民主女神地下教會 do you mean the claim that the minimum is pushed to the right?
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      – Calvin Khor
      Nov 30 '18 at 19:12










    • $begingroup$
      Yes, thx for edit.
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      – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
      Nov 30 '18 at 20:12














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    $begingroup$

    The graph of $sin(1/t)$ turns at $t=2/3pi$, but this is not true of $tsin(1/t)$. Multiplying by $t$ has the effect of pushing the minimum point to the right and down slightly.



    enter image description hereenter image description here
    Since $a>b-frac{1}{pi n}$ for all $nge 1$ iff $age b$, we are done.



    To see this without a graph, lets start from your correct observation that for $f(t) = tsin (1/t)$, $f(2/3pi) = -2/3pi$. The derivative at this point however is
    $$ f'(3pi/2) = sin(3pi/2) + 2/3pi cos(3pi/2) = -1 $$



    Since $f$ is smooth on a small neighbourhood of $2/3pi$, $f'le -1/2<0$ on this neighbourhood. Thus $f$ is decreasing at $2/3pi$.



    Something slightly more general is true:




    Suppose $f$ is smooth, $f(1)=0=f(2)$, $fle 0$ and $f$ has a unique non degenerate minimum point $x_0$ in $[1,2]$. Then $g(x)=xf(x)$ has a minimum point to the right and below of $x_0$.




    Proof- by a similar computation to the above, $g$ is decreasing at $x_0$. As $g(2)=2f(2)=0$, we conclude by Intermediate Value Theorem and Rolles' Theorem.






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    $endgroup$



    The graph of $sin(1/t)$ turns at $t=2/3pi$, but this is not true of $tsin(1/t)$. Multiplying by $t$ has the effect of pushing the minimum point to the right and down slightly.



    enter image description hereenter image description here
    Since $a>b-frac{1}{pi n}$ for all $nge 1$ iff $age b$, we are done.



    To see this without a graph, lets start from your correct observation that for $f(t) = tsin (1/t)$, $f(2/3pi) = -2/3pi$. The derivative at this point however is
    $$ f'(3pi/2) = sin(3pi/2) + 2/3pi cos(3pi/2) = -1 $$



    Since $f$ is smooth on a small neighbourhood of $2/3pi$, $f'le -1/2<0$ on this neighbourhood. Thus $f$ is decreasing at $2/3pi$.



    Something slightly more general is true:




    Suppose $f$ is smooth, $f(1)=0=f(2)$, $fle 0$ and $f$ has a unique non degenerate minimum point $x_0$ in $[1,2]$. Then $g(x)=xf(x)$ has a minimum point to the right and below of $x_0$.




    Proof- by a similar computation to the above, $g$ is decreasing at $x_0$. As $g(2)=2f(2)=0$, we conclude by Intermediate Value Theorem and Rolles' Theorem.







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    Calvin KhorCalvin Khor

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    • $begingroup$
      Can you prove it using the first derivative test?
      $endgroup$
      – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
      Nov 30 '18 at 19:10










    • $begingroup$
      @GNUSupporter8964民主女神地下教會 do you mean the claim that the minimum is pushed to the right?
      $endgroup$
      – Calvin Khor
      Nov 30 '18 at 19:12










    • $begingroup$
      Yes, thx for edit.
      $endgroup$
      – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
      Nov 30 '18 at 20:12


















    • $begingroup$
      Can you prove it using the first derivative test?
      $endgroup$
      – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
      Nov 30 '18 at 19:10










    • $begingroup$
      @GNUSupporter8964民主女神地下教會 do you mean the claim that the minimum is pushed to the right?
      $endgroup$
      – Calvin Khor
      Nov 30 '18 at 19:12










    • $begingroup$
      Yes, thx for edit.
      $endgroup$
      – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
      Nov 30 '18 at 20:12
















    $begingroup$
    Can you prove it using the first derivative test?
    $endgroup$
    – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
    Nov 30 '18 at 19:10




    $begingroup$
    Can you prove it using the first derivative test?
    $endgroup$
    – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
    Nov 30 '18 at 19:10












    $begingroup$
    @GNUSupporter8964民主女神地下教會 do you mean the claim that the minimum is pushed to the right?
    $endgroup$
    – Calvin Khor
    Nov 30 '18 at 19:12




    $begingroup$
    @GNUSupporter8964民主女神地下教會 do you mean the claim that the minimum is pushed to the right?
    $endgroup$
    – Calvin Khor
    Nov 30 '18 at 19:12












    $begingroup$
    Yes, thx for edit.
    $endgroup$
    – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
    Nov 30 '18 at 20:12




    $begingroup$
    Yes, thx for edit.
    $endgroup$
    – GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會
    Nov 30 '18 at 20:12











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    Like some other answers, but written differently:



    Let $f(t)= tsin(1/t).$ Then $f'(t)= sin(1/t) - [cos (1/t)]/t$ for $t>0.$ Thus $f'(2/(3pi)) = -1.$ Hence for $t$ near and to the right of $2/(3pi),$ we have



    $$frac{f(t)-f(2/(3pi)}{t-2/(3pi)}<-frac{1}{2}.$$



    For such $t$ we have $f(t)<f(2/(3pi)=-2/(3pi).$ Hence $inf A <-2/(3pi),$ which implies 2. does not hold.






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      $begingroup$

      Like some other answers, but written differently:



      Let $f(t)= tsin(1/t).$ Then $f'(t)= sin(1/t) - [cos (1/t)]/t$ for $t>0.$ Thus $f'(2/(3pi)) = -1.$ Hence for $t$ near and to the right of $2/(3pi),$ we have



      $$frac{f(t)-f(2/(3pi)}{t-2/(3pi)}<-frac{1}{2}.$$



      For such $t$ we have $f(t)<f(2/(3pi)=-2/(3pi).$ Hence $inf A <-2/(3pi),$ which implies 2. does not hold.






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        1












        1








        1





        $begingroup$

        Like some other answers, but written differently:



        Let $f(t)= tsin(1/t).$ Then $f'(t)= sin(1/t) - [cos (1/t)]/t$ for $t>0.$ Thus $f'(2/(3pi)) = -1.$ Hence for $t$ near and to the right of $2/(3pi),$ we have



        $$frac{f(t)-f(2/(3pi)}{t-2/(3pi)}<-frac{1}{2}.$$



        For such $t$ we have $f(t)<f(2/(3pi)=-2/(3pi).$ Hence $inf A <-2/(3pi),$ which implies 2. does not hold.






        share|cite|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        Like some other answers, but written differently:



        Let $f(t)= tsin(1/t).$ Then $f'(t)= sin(1/t) - [cos (1/t)]/t$ for $t>0.$ Thus $f'(2/(3pi)) = -1.$ Hence for $t$ near and to the right of $2/(3pi),$ we have



        $$frac{f(t)-f(2/(3pi)}{t-2/(3pi)}<-frac{1}{2}.$$



        For such $t$ we have $f(t)<f(2/(3pi)=-2/(3pi).$ Hence $inf A <-2/(3pi),$ which implies 2. does not hold.







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        answered Nov 30 '18 at 20:04









        zhw.zhw.

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            $begingroup$

            Let $x=1/timplies A={frac{sin x}x:x>pi/2}$



            Let $f(x)=frac{sin x}x, x>pi/2$



            $f(3pi/2)=-frac2{3pi}<0, f'(3pi/2)>0implies f$ is strictly increasing at $3pi/2$



            This means you can find $ainvarepsilon-$neighbourhood of $3pi/2$ such that $f(a)<f(3pi/2)implies f(a)<-frac2{3pi}$






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            • $begingroup$
              This is wrong. The fact that $f'(a) < 0$ doesn't mean there is a neighbourhood of $a$ where the function is strictly decreasing. Take for example : $xmapsto x+10x^2sin(1/x)$
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 18:47










            • $begingroup$
              at $0$ it doesn't verify what you are saying
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:22










            • $begingroup$
              $sin x/x$ is continuously differentiable for $x>pi/2$
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:26










            • $begingroup$
              That's not my point. Look at my first comment.
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:27










            • $begingroup$
              The result holds for continuously differentiable functions. $x+10x^2sin(1/x)$ is not continuously differentiable at $0$.
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:37


















            0












            $begingroup$

            Let $x=1/timplies A={frac{sin x}x:x>pi/2}$



            Let $f(x)=frac{sin x}x, x>pi/2$



            $f(3pi/2)=-frac2{3pi}<0, f'(3pi/2)>0implies f$ is strictly increasing at $3pi/2$



            This means you can find $ainvarepsilon-$neighbourhood of $3pi/2$ such that $f(a)<f(3pi/2)implies f(a)<-frac2{3pi}$






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$













            • $begingroup$
              This is wrong. The fact that $f'(a) < 0$ doesn't mean there is a neighbourhood of $a$ where the function is strictly decreasing. Take for example : $xmapsto x+10x^2sin(1/x)$
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 18:47










            • $begingroup$
              at $0$ it doesn't verify what you are saying
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:22










            • $begingroup$
              $sin x/x$ is continuously differentiable for $x>pi/2$
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:26










            • $begingroup$
              That's not my point. Look at my first comment.
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:27










            • $begingroup$
              The result holds for continuously differentiable functions. $x+10x^2sin(1/x)$ is not continuously differentiable at $0$.
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:37
















            0












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            0





            $begingroup$

            Let $x=1/timplies A={frac{sin x}x:x>pi/2}$



            Let $f(x)=frac{sin x}x, x>pi/2$



            $f(3pi/2)=-frac2{3pi}<0, f'(3pi/2)>0implies f$ is strictly increasing at $3pi/2$



            This means you can find $ainvarepsilon-$neighbourhood of $3pi/2$ such that $f(a)<f(3pi/2)implies f(a)<-frac2{3pi}$






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            Let $x=1/timplies A={frac{sin x}x:x>pi/2}$



            Let $f(x)=frac{sin x}x, x>pi/2$



            $f(3pi/2)=-frac2{3pi}<0, f'(3pi/2)>0implies f$ is strictly increasing at $3pi/2$



            This means you can find $ainvarepsilon-$neighbourhood of $3pi/2$ such that $f(a)<f(3pi/2)implies f(a)<-frac2{3pi}$







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            share|cite|improve this answer



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            answered Nov 30 '18 at 18:31









            Shubham JohriShubham Johri

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            • $begingroup$
              This is wrong. The fact that $f'(a) < 0$ doesn't mean there is a neighbourhood of $a$ where the function is strictly decreasing. Take for example : $xmapsto x+10x^2sin(1/x)$
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 18:47










            • $begingroup$
              at $0$ it doesn't verify what you are saying
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:22










            • $begingroup$
              $sin x/x$ is continuously differentiable for $x>pi/2$
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:26










            • $begingroup$
              That's not my point. Look at my first comment.
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:27










            • $begingroup$
              The result holds for continuously differentiable functions. $x+10x^2sin(1/x)$ is not continuously differentiable at $0$.
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:37




















            • $begingroup$
              This is wrong. The fact that $f'(a) < 0$ doesn't mean there is a neighbourhood of $a$ where the function is strictly decreasing. Take for example : $xmapsto x+10x^2sin(1/x)$
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 18:47










            • $begingroup$
              at $0$ it doesn't verify what you are saying
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:22










            • $begingroup$
              $sin x/x$ is continuously differentiable for $x>pi/2$
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:26










            • $begingroup$
              That's not my point. Look at my first comment.
              $endgroup$
              – Thinking
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:27










            • $begingroup$
              The result holds for continuously differentiable functions. $x+10x^2sin(1/x)$ is not continuously differentiable at $0$.
              $endgroup$
              – Shubham Johri
              Nov 30 '18 at 19:37


















            $begingroup$
            This is wrong. The fact that $f'(a) < 0$ doesn't mean there is a neighbourhood of $a$ where the function is strictly decreasing. Take for example : $xmapsto x+10x^2sin(1/x)$
            $endgroup$
            – Thinking
            Nov 30 '18 at 18:47




            $begingroup$
            This is wrong. The fact that $f'(a) < 0$ doesn't mean there is a neighbourhood of $a$ where the function is strictly decreasing. Take for example : $xmapsto x+10x^2sin(1/x)$
            $endgroup$
            – Thinking
            Nov 30 '18 at 18:47












            $begingroup$
            at $0$ it doesn't verify what you are saying
            $endgroup$
            – Thinking
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:22




            $begingroup$
            at $0$ it doesn't verify what you are saying
            $endgroup$
            – Thinking
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:22












            $begingroup$
            $sin x/x$ is continuously differentiable for $x>pi/2$
            $endgroup$
            – Shubham Johri
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:26




            $begingroup$
            $sin x/x$ is continuously differentiable for $x>pi/2$
            $endgroup$
            – Shubham Johri
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:26












            $begingroup$
            That's not my point. Look at my first comment.
            $endgroup$
            – Thinking
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:27




            $begingroup$
            That's not my point. Look at my first comment.
            $endgroup$
            – Thinking
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:27












            $begingroup$
            The result holds for continuously differentiable functions. $x+10x^2sin(1/x)$ is not continuously differentiable at $0$.
            $endgroup$
            – Shubham Johri
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:37






            $begingroup$
            The result holds for continuously differentiable functions. $x+10x^2sin(1/x)$ is not continuously differentiable at $0$.
            $endgroup$
            – Shubham Johri
            Nov 30 '18 at 19:37




















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