Finding all “soccer” polyhedra (Each vertex meets three faces: two $m$-gons and one $n$-gon ($mneq n$))
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I am dealing with the test of the OBM (Brasilian Math Olympiad), University level, 2016, phase 2.
As I've said at this topic (question 1), this other (question 2) and this (question 3), I hope someone can help me to discuss this test. Thanks for any help.
The question 5 says:
A soccer ball is usually obtained from a polyhedral figura that has two kinds of faces, hexagons and pentagons, and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two hexagons and one pentagon.
We say that a polyhedra is "soccer" if, as the soccer ball, has faces that are $m$-agons and $n$-agons (with $mneq n$) and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two $m$-agons and one $n$-agons.
(i) Show that $m$ is even.
(ii) Find all the soccer polyhedrals.
I'm trying to use $V+F=A+2$. It's trivial that $A=frac{3}{2}V$, so $F=frac{1}{2}V+2$ (particularly, $V$ is even).
I have $frac{2V}{m}$ $m$-agons and $frac{V}{n}$ $n$-agons, so $F=V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n})$.
Then, $V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n}-frac{1}{2})=2$...
Thank you for a help.
proof-writing contest-math polyhedra
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I am dealing with the test of the OBM (Brasilian Math Olympiad), University level, 2016, phase 2.
As I've said at this topic (question 1), this other (question 2) and this (question 3), I hope someone can help me to discuss this test. Thanks for any help.
The question 5 says:
A soccer ball is usually obtained from a polyhedral figura that has two kinds of faces, hexagons and pentagons, and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two hexagons and one pentagon.
We say that a polyhedra is "soccer" if, as the soccer ball, has faces that are $m$-agons and $n$-agons (with $mneq n$) and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two $m$-agons and one $n$-agons.
(i) Show that $m$ is even.
(ii) Find all the soccer polyhedrals.
I'm trying to use $V+F=A+2$. It's trivial that $A=frac{3}{2}V$, so $F=frac{1}{2}V+2$ (particularly, $V$ is even).
I have $frac{2V}{m}$ $m$-agons and $frac{V}{n}$ $n$-agons, so $F=V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n})$.
Then, $V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n}-frac{1}{2})=2$...
Thank you for a help.
proof-writing contest-math polyhedra
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I am dealing with the test of the OBM (Brasilian Math Olympiad), University level, 2016, phase 2.
As I've said at this topic (question 1), this other (question 2) and this (question 3), I hope someone can help me to discuss this test. Thanks for any help.
The question 5 says:
A soccer ball is usually obtained from a polyhedral figura that has two kinds of faces, hexagons and pentagons, and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two hexagons and one pentagon.
We say that a polyhedra is "soccer" if, as the soccer ball, has faces that are $m$-agons and $n$-agons (with $mneq n$) and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two $m$-agons and one $n$-agons.
(i) Show that $m$ is even.
(ii) Find all the soccer polyhedrals.
I'm trying to use $V+F=A+2$. It's trivial that $A=frac{3}{2}V$, so $F=frac{1}{2}V+2$ (particularly, $V$ is even).
I have $frac{2V}{m}$ $m$-agons and $frac{V}{n}$ $n$-agons, so $F=V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n})$.
Then, $V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n}-frac{1}{2})=2$...
Thank you for a help.
proof-writing contest-math polyhedra
I am dealing with the test of the OBM (Brasilian Math Olympiad), University level, 2016, phase 2.
As I've said at this topic (question 1), this other (question 2) and this (question 3), I hope someone can help me to discuss this test. Thanks for any help.
The question 5 says:
A soccer ball is usually obtained from a polyhedral figura that has two kinds of faces, hexagons and pentagons, and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two hexagons and one pentagon.
We say that a polyhedra is "soccer" if, as the soccer ball, has faces that are $m$-agons and $n$-agons (with $mneq n$) and in each vertex focus three faces, which are two $m$-agons and one $n$-agons.
(i) Show that $m$ is even.
(ii) Find all the soccer polyhedrals.
I'm trying to use $V+F=A+2$. It's trivial that $A=frac{3}{2}V$, so $F=frac{1}{2}V+2$ (particularly, $V$ is even).
I have $frac{2V}{m}$ $m$-agons and $frac{V}{n}$ $n$-agons, so $F=V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n})$.
Then, $V(frac{2}{m}+frac{1}{n}-frac{1}{2})=2$...
Thank you for a help.
proof-writing contest-math polyhedra
proof-writing contest-math polyhedra
edited yesterday
Blue
46.1k869145
46.1k869145
asked yesterday
Na'omi
21810
21810
add a comment |
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
The first part does not require Euler's polyhedron formula. It is trivial to show that $m$- and $n$-gons alternate around any $m$-gon, which immediately implies that $m$ is even (otherwise there would be a vertex figure not of the form given).
The second part is just casework: for each even $mge4$, what values of $nge3$ yield polyhedra? All the football polyhedra are listed below.
$m=4,nge3$ is the set of prisms
$m=6,n=3$ is the truncated tetrahedron
$m=6,n=4$ is the truncated octahedron
$m=6,n=5$ is the truncated icosahedron, or a normal football
$m=8,n=3$ is the truncated cube
$m=10,n=3$ is the truncated dodecahedron
I stopped at $(m,n)=(6,6),(8,4),(10,4)$ and $m=12$ because at those points the finite footballs turn into tilings (i.e. there are an infinite number of faces), either in the Euclidean or hyperbolic plane – the sum of angles around each point becomes greater than 360°.
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
1
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
The first part does not require Euler's polyhedron formula. It is trivial to show that $m$- and $n$-gons alternate around any $m$-gon, which immediately implies that $m$ is even (otherwise there would be a vertex figure not of the form given).
The second part is just casework: for each even $mge4$, what values of $nge3$ yield polyhedra? All the football polyhedra are listed below.
$m=4,nge3$ is the set of prisms
$m=6,n=3$ is the truncated tetrahedron
$m=6,n=4$ is the truncated octahedron
$m=6,n=5$ is the truncated icosahedron, or a normal football
$m=8,n=3$ is the truncated cube
$m=10,n=3$ is the truncated dodecahedron
I stopped at $(m,n)=(6,6),(8,4),(10,4)$ and $m=12$ because at those points the finite footballs turn into tilings (i.e. there are an infinite number of faces), either in the Euclidean or hyperbolic plane – the sum of angles around each point becomes greater than 360°.
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
1
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
The first part does not require Euler's polyhedron formula. It is trivial to show that $m$- and $n$-gons alternate around any $m$-gon, which immediately implies that $m$ is even (otherwise there would be a vertex figure not of the form given).
The second part is just casework: for each even $mge4$, what values of $nge3$ yield polyhedra? All the football polyhedra are listed below.
$m=4,nge3$ is the set of prisms
$m=6,n=3$ is the truncated tetrahedron
$m=6,n=4$ is the truncated octahedron
$m=6,n=5$ is the truncated icosahedron, or a normal football
$m=8,n=3$ is the truncated cube
$m=10,n=3$ is the truncated dodecahedron
I stopped at $(m,n)=(6,6),(8,4),(10,4)$ and $m=12$ because at those points the finite footballs turn into tilings (i.e. there are an infinite number of faces), either in the Euclidean or hyperbolic plane – the sum of angles around each point becomes greater than 360°.
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
1
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
The first part does not require Euler's polyhedron formula. It is trivial to show that $m$- and $n$-gons alternate around any $m$-gon, which immediately implies that $m$ is even (otherwise there would be a vertex figure not of the form given).
The second part is just casework: for each even $mge4$, what values of $nge3$ yield polyhedra? All the football polyhedra are listed below.
$m=4,nge3$ is the set of prisms
$m=6,n=3$ is the truncated tetrahedron
$m=6,n=4$ is the truncated octahedron
$m=6,n=5$ is the truncated icosahedron, or a normal football
$m=8,n=3$ is the truncated cube
$m=10,n=3$ is the truncated dodecahedron
I stopped at $(m,n)=(6,6),(8,4),(10,4)$ and $m=12$ because at those points the finite footballs turn into tilings (i.e. there are an infinite number of faces), either in the Euclidean or hyperbolic plane – the sum of angles around each point becomes greater than 360°.
The first part does not require Euler's polyhedron formula. It is trivial to show that $m$- and $n$-gons alternate around any $m$-gon, which immediately implies that $m$ is even (otherwise there would be a vertex figure not of the form given).
The second part is just casework: for each even $mge4$, what values of $nge3$ yield polyhedra? All the football polyhedra are listed below.
$m=4,nge3$ is the set of prisms
$m=6,n=3$ is the truncated tetrahedron
$m=6,n=4$ is the truncated octahedron
$m=6,n=5$ is the truncated icosahedron, or a normal football
$m=8,n=3$ is the truncated cube
$m=10,n=3$ is the truncated dodecahedron
I stopped at $(m,n)=(6,6),(8,4),(10,4)$ and $m=12$ because at those points the finite footballs turn into tilings (i.e. there are an infinite number of faces), either in the Euclidean or hyperbolic plane – the sum of angles around each point becomes greater than 360°.
answered yesterday
Parcly Taxel
40.5k137098
40.5k137098
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
1
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
add a comment |
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
1
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
This is a wonderful answer ... Thank you. Some doubts: 1) Do you know the truncated polyhedras 'by mind' (just a curiosity)? 2) At this question, it's not explicit "regular" ... Do you think there's some problem? 3) Do not you use Euler's polyhedron formula in any local, right? Thanks for all the help.
– Na'omi
yesterday
1
1
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
@Na'omi All of these can be called uniform polyhedra (all vertices the same, but not all faces the same), which is one step below regular. These, too, have been completely classified, and I know them by heart. Euler's formula can be used fo find the number of faces for each of these uniform polyhedra, but the more usual construction is by modifying the Platonic solids to yield new polyhedra, such as by truncation.
– Parcly Taxel
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
Thank you once again.
– Na'omi
yesterday
add a comment |
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f2995315%2ffinding-all-soccer-polyhedra-each-vertex-meets-three-faces-two-m-gons-and%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password