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          No, Silence doesn't stop Tremorsense, or in fact interact with it on any level.



          Silence prevents sound, but Tremorsense isn't based on sound.



          Tremorsense is based on detecting the other person's presence through “vibrations in the ground”. It's not based on hearing anything—if anything it's probably based on touch. Silence doesn't stop physical sensation or physical interaction, so it doesn't stop those “vibrations in the ground” and it doesn't stop anything from causing them or the creature sensing them.






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            Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
            – Draco18s
            6 hours ago






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            After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
            – Ling
            4 hours ago


















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          This isn't really covered explicitly by the rules so you have a few options that is basically down to your group to pick from.



          The most RAW interpretation: No



          Silence doesn't say that it stops vibrations, Tremorsense doesn't mention requiring sound, only that the target is in contact with the ground. This could be interpreted as Silence 'stilling' the air and not affecting the ground.



          The most intuitive answer: Yes



          For obvious reasons sound is only vibrations and the area would include the ground.



          Conclusion:



          Personally, as a DM I would be inclined to give this to my party for an inventive use of the spell. It also causes a lot of issues for the party in casting other spells and communication.



          I wouldn't use the same tactic against the party, however, as it would feel cheap on their side, eliminating entirely one of their abilities.






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            There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






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            @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
            – Cyberspark
            9 hours ago










          • That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






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            Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
            – Trish
            9 hours ago










          • Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
            – Yakk
            1 hour ago











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          No, Silence doesn't stop Tremorsense, or in fact interact with it on any level.



          Silence prevents sound, but Tremorsense isn't based on sound.



          Tremorsense is based on detecting the other person's presence through “vibrations in the ground”. It's not based on hearing anything—if anything it's probably based on touch. Silence doesn't stop physical sensation or physical interaction, so it doesn't stop those “vibrations in the ground” and it doesn't stop anything from causing them or the creature sensing them.






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            Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
            – Draco18s
            6 hours ago






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            After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
            – Ling
            4 hours ago















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          No, Silence doesn't stop Tremorsense, or in fact interact with it on any level.



          Silence prevents sound, but Tremorsense isn't based on sound.



          Tremorsense is based on detecting the other person's presence through “vibrations in the ground”. It's not based on hearing anything—if anything it's probably based on touch. Silence doesn't stop physical sensation or physical interaction, so it doesn't stop those “vibrations in the ground” and it doesn't stop anything from causing them or the creature sensing them.






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          • 3




            Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
            – Draco18s
            6 hours ago






          • 3




            After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
            – Ling
            4 hours ago













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          No, Silence doesn't stop Tremorsense, or in fact interact with it on any level.



          Silence prevents sound, but Tremorsense isn't based on sound.



          Tremorsense is based on detecting the other person's presence through “vibrations in the ground”. It's not based on hearing anything—if anything it's probably based on touch. Silence doesn't stop physical sensation or physical interaction, so it doesn't stop those “vibrations in the ground” and it doesn't stop anything from causing them or the creature sensing them.






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          No, Silence doesn't stop Tremorsense, or in fact interact with it on any level.



          Silence prevents sound, but Tremorsense isn't based on sound.



          Tremorsense is based on detecting the other person's presence through “vibrations in the ground”. It's not based on hearing anything—if anything it's probably based on touch. Silence doesn't stop physical sensation or physical interaction, so it doesn't stop those “vibrations in the ground” and it doesn't stop anything from causing them or the creature sensing them.







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            Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
            – Draco18s
            6 hours ago






          • 3




            After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
            – Ling
            4 hours ago














          • 3




            Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
            – Draco18s
            6 hours ago






          • 3




            After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
            – Ling
            4 hours ago








          3




          3




          Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
          – Draco18s
          6 hours ago




          Rules being rules, this is the rulesy answer. Is the physicist in us all that screams, "But vibrations in the ground are sound!" And we just have to remember to relax and just let the rules be rules.
          – Draco18s
          6 hours ago




          3




          3




          After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
          – Ling
          4 hours ago




          After many years of playing I can't count the times I have been tempted to mix physics and magic, but I have learned that it is usually bad idea. It's not supposed to mix.
          – Ling
          4 hours ago












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          This isn't really covered explicitly by the rules so you have a few options that is basically down to your group to pick from.



          The most RAW interpretation: No



          Silence doesn't say that it stops vibrations, Tremorsense doesn't mention requiring sound, only that the target is in contact with the ground. This could be interpreted as Silence 'stilling' the air and not affecting the ground.



          The most intuitive answer: Yes



          For obvious reasons sound is only vibrations and the area would include the ground.



          Conclusion:



          Personally, as a DM I would be inclined to give this to my party for an inventive use of the spell. It also causes a lot of issues for the party in casting other spells and communication.



          I wouldn't use the same tactic against the party, however, as it would feel cheap on their side, eliminating entirely one of their abilities.






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          • 2




            There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 1




            @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
            – Cyberspark
            9 hours ago










          • That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 9




            Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
            – Trish
            9 hours ago










          • Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
            – Yakk
            1 hour ago















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          This isn't really covered explicitly by the rules so you have a few options that is basically down to your group to pick from.



          The most RAW interpretation: No



          Silence doesn't say that it stops vibrations, Tremorsense doesn't mention requiring sound, only that the target is in contact with the ground. This could be interpreted as Silence 'stilling' the air and not affecting the ground.



          The most intuitive answer: Yes



          For obvious reasons sound is only vibrations and the area would include the ground.



          Conclusion:



          Personally, as a DM I would be inclined to give this to my party for an inventive use of the spell. It also causes a lot of issues for the party in casting other spells and communication.



          I wouldn't use the same tactic against the party, however, as it would feel cheap on their side, eliminating entirely one of their abilities.






          share|improve this answer



















          • 2




            There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 1




            @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
            – Cyberspark
            9 hours ago










          • That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 9




            Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
            – Trish
            9 hours ago










          • Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
            – Yakk
            1 hour ago













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          up vote
          6
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          This isn't really covered explicitly by the rules so you have a few options that is basically down to your group to pick from.



          The most RAW interpretation: No



          Silence doesn't say that it stops vibrations, Tremorsense doesn't mention requiring sound, only that the target is in contact with the ground. This could be interpreted as Silence 'stilling' the air and not affecting the ground.



          The most intuitive answer: Yes



          For obvious reasons sound is only vibrations and the area would include the ground.



          Conclusion:



          Personally, as a DM I would be inclined to give this to my party for an inventive use of the spell. It also causes a lot of issues for the party in casting other spells and communication.



          I wouldn't use the same tactic against the party, however, as it would feel cheap on their side, eliminating entirely one of their abilities.






          share|improve this answer














          This isn't really covered explicitly by the rules so you have a few options that is basically down to your group to pick from.



          The most RAW interpretation: No



          Silence doesn't say that it stops vibrations, Tremorsense doesn't mention requiring sound, only that the target is in contact with the ground. This could be interpreted as Silence 'stilling' the air and not affecting the ground.



          The most intuitive answer: Yes



          For obvious reasons sound is only vibrations and the area would include the ground.



          Conclusion:



          Personally, as a DM I would be inclined to give this to my party for an inventive use of the spell. It also causes a lot of issues for the party in casting other spells and communication.



          I wouldn't use the same tactic against the party, however, as it would feel cheap on their side, eliminating entirely one of their abilities.







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            There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 1




            @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
            – Cyberspark
            9 hours ago










          • That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 9




            Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
            – Trish
            9 hours ago










          • Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
            – Yakk
            1 hour ago














          • 2




            There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 1




            @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
            – Cyberspark
            9 hours ago










          • That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
            – ShadowKras
            9 hours ago






          • 9




            Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
            – Trish
            9 hours ago










          • Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
            – Yakk
            1 hour ago








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          There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
          – ShadowKras
          9 hours ago




          There are arguments against your second option. Emanations cannot pass through solid objects (ie: the ground), so the effect of silence would stop exactly where those vibrations would be happening.
          – ShadowKras
          9 hours ago




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          @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
          – Cyberspark
          9 hours ago




          @ShadowKras this would imply you could still listen by pressing your ear to the ground, which definitely seems against the intention of a Silence spell
          – Cyberspark
          9 hours ago












          That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
          – ShadowKras
          9 hours ago




          That's a form of detecting that is simply not covered by the spell, which only blocks sound.
          – ShadowKras
          9 hours ago




          9




          9




          Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
          – Trish
          9 hours ago




          Sound is a longitudinal compression wave, which is totally different from the transversal waves that is a tremor.
          – Trish
          9 hours ago












          Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
          – Yakk
          1 hour ago




          Personally I'd go half way. A silence would act like light obscurement, but also allow stealth checks. It would dampen the tremorsense without blinding it.
          – Yakk
          1 hour ago


















           

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