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From SOA sample 138:




A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



$$f(x,y)=
begin{cases}
{1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
0, & text{otherwise}
end{cases}$$



The machine operates until both components fail.
Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




I know there is a simpler way to solve this, but I would like to solve it using order statistics. This is what I have so far:



If I am understanding correctly, I need to find probability $P(max(X,Y) le k)=P(X le k)P(Y le k)$, and then differentiate to find the density of $k$, and from there find the expected value of $k$.



So first I will find the marginal density of $X$ and $Y$:



$$f(x) = int_0^{10-x}{1over50}dy$$
$$f(x) = {{10-x}over50} $$



Then $P(X le k)$ is



$$P(X le k) = int_0^{k}{{10-x}over50}dx $$
$$ = left({10xover50}-{x^2over100}right)bigg|_0^k$$
$$ = left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)$$



I can do the same thing for $y$, so $P(X le k)P(Y le k)$ is



$$left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)^2$$



$$={100k^2over2500}-{20k^3over5000}+{k^4over10000}$$



I will now take the derivative to get $f(k)$



$${200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}$$



And now I can integrate to the limit of $k$ to get $E(K)$



$$E(K)=int_0^{10} kleft({200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}right)dk$$



$$=int_0^{10} {200k^2over2500}-{60k^3over5000}+{4k^4over10000}dk$$



$$=left( {200k^3over7500}-{60k^4over20000}+{4k^5over50000}right)bigg|_0^{10}$$



$$=4.666$$



However the true solution is $5$, where did I go wrong?










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    From SOA sample 138:




    A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



    $$f(x,y)=
    begin{cases}
    {1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
    0, & text{otherwise}
    end{cases}$$



    The machine operates until both components fail.
    Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




    I know there is a simpler way to solve this, but I would like to solve it using order statistics. This is what I have so far:



    If I am understanding correctly, I need to find probability $P(max(X,Y) le k)=P(X le k)P(Y le k)$, and then differentiate to find the density of $k$, and from there find the expected value of $k$.



    So first I will find the marginal density of $X$ and $Y$:



    $$f(x) = int_0^{10-x}{1over50}dy$$
    $$f(x) = {{10-x}over50} $$



    Then $P(X le k)$ is



    $$P(X le k) = int_0^{k}{{10-x}over50}dx $$
    $$ = left({10xover50}-{x^2over100}right)bigg|_0^k$$
    $$ = left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)$$



    I can do the same thing for $y$, so $P(X le k)P(Y le k)$ is



    $$left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)^2$$



    $$={100k^2over2500}-{20k^3over5000}+{k^4over10000}$$



    I will now take the derivative to get $f(k)$



    $${200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}$$



    And now I can integrate to the limit of $k$ to get $E(K)$



    $$E(K)=int_0^{10} kleft({200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}right)dk$$



    $$=int_0^{10} {200k^2over2500}-{60k^3over5000}+{4k^4over10000}dk$$



    $$=left( {200k^3over7500}-{60k^4over20000}+{4k^5over50000}right)bigg|_0^{10}$$



    $$=4.666$$



    However the true solution is $5$, where did I go wrong?










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      From SOA sample 138:




      A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



      $$f(x,y)=
      begin{cases}
      {1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
      0, & text{otherwise}
      end{cases}$$



      The machine operates until both components fail.
      Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




      I know there is a simpler way to solve this, but I would like to solve it using order statistics. This is what I have so far:



      If I am understanding correctly, I need to find probability $P(max(X,Y) le k)=P(X le k)P(Y le k)$, and then differentiate to find the density of $k$, and from there find the expected value of $k$.



      So first I will find the marginal density of $X$ and $Y$:



      $$f(x) = int_0^{10-x}{1over50}dy$$
      $$f(x) = {{10-x}over50} $$



      Then $P(X le k)$ is



      $$P(X le k) = int_0^{k}{{10-x}over50}dx $$
      $$ = left({10xover50}-{x^2over100}right)bigg|_0^k$$
      $$ = left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)$$



      I can do the same thing for $y$, so $P(X le k)P(Y le k)$ is



      $$left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)^2$$



      $$={100k^2over2500}-{20k^3over5000}+{k^4over10000}$$



      I will now take the derivative to get $f(k)$



      $${200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}$$



      And now I can integrate to the limit of $k$ to get $E(K)$



      $$E(K)=int_0^{10} kleft({200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}right)dk$$



      $$=int_0^{10} {200k^2over2500}-{60k^3over5000}+{4k^4over10000}dk$$



      $$=left( {200k^3over7500}-{60k^4over20000}+{4k^5over50000}right)bigg|_0^{10}$$



      $$=4.666$$



      However the true solution is $5$, where did I go wrong?










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      From SOA sample 138:




      A machine consists of two components, whose lifetimes have the joint density function



      $$f(x,y)=
      begin{cases}
      {1over50}, & text{for }x>0,y>0,x+y<10 \
      0, & text{otherwise}
      end{cases}$$



      The machine operates until both components fail.
      Calculate the expected operational time of the machine.




      I know there is a simpler way to solve this, but I would like to solve it using order statistics. This is what I have so far:



      If I am understanding correctly, I need to find probability $P(max(X,Y) le k)=P(X le k)P(Y le k)$, and then differentiate to find the density of $k$, and from there find the expected value of $k$.



      So first I will find the marginal density of $X$ and $Y$:



      $$f(x) = int_0^{10-x}{1over50}dy$$
      $$f(x) = {{10-x}over50} $$



      Then $P(X le k)$ is



      $$P(X le k) = int_0^{k}{{10-x}over50}dx $$
      $$ = left({10xover50}-{x^2over100}right)bigg|_0^k$$
      $$ = left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)$$



      I can do the same thing for $y$, so $P(X le k)P(Y le k)$ is



      $$left({10kover50}-{k^2over100}right)^2$$



      $$={100k^2over2500}-{20k^3over5000}+{k^4over10000}$$



      I will now take the derivative to get $f(k)$



      $${200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}$$



      And now I can integrate to the limit of $k$ to get $E(K)$



      $$E(K)=int_0^{10} kleft({200kover2500}-{60k^2over5000}+{4k^3over10000}right)dk$$



      $$=int_0^{10} {200k^2over2500}-{60k^3over5000}+{4k^4over10000}dk$$



      $$=left( {200k^3over7500}-{60k^4over20000}+{4k^5over50000}right)bigg|_0^{10}$$



      $$=4.666$$



      However the true solution is $5$, where did I go wrong?







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          The equation
          $$P(max(X,Y) leq k)=P(X leq k)P(Y leq k)$$
          would be true if $X$ and $Y$ were independent.
          But they clearly are not independent.



          There are multiple ways to confirm the dependence between $X$ and $Y$, but perhaps the most obvious is to choose a not-too-large value of $k$, compute both sides of the equation, and compare the results.



          For example, with $k=5$ we get $P(max(X,Y) leq k) = frac12$
          but $P(X leq k) = P(Y leq k) = frac34$ and therefore
          $P(X leq k)P(Y leq k) = frac9{16}.$






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            David K has explained the fallacy, but I'll derive the answer you wanted. Let $S$ denote the $fne 0$ region; let $S'$ denote the subset of $S$ with $xle y$. Then$$frac{1}{50}int_Smax{x,,y}dxdy=frac{1}{25}int_{S'}ydxdy=frac{1}{25}int_0^{10}ymin{y,,10-y}dy\=frac{1}{25}left(int_0^5y^2dy+int_5^{10}(10y-y^2)dyright)=5.$$






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              The equation
              $$P(max(X,Y) leq k)=P(X leq k)P(Y leq k)$$
              would be true if $X$ and $Y$ were independent.
              But they clearly are not independent.



              There are multiple ways to confirm the dependence between $X$ and $Y$, but perhaps the most obvious is to choose a not-too-large value of $k$, compute both sides of the equation, and compare the results.



              For example, with $k=5$ we get $P(max(X,Y) leq k) = frac12$
              but $P(X leq k) = P(Y leq k) = frac34$ and therefore
              $P(X leq k)P(Y leq k) = frac9{16}.$






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                The equation
                $$P(max(X,Y) leq k)=P(X leq k)P(Y leq k)$$
                would be true if $X$ and $Y$ were independent.
                But they clearly are not independent.



                There are multiple ways to confirm the dependence between $X$ and $Y$, but perhaps the most obvious is to choose a not-too-large value of $k$, compute both sides of the equation, and compare the results.



                For example, with $k=5$ we get $P(max(X,Y) leq k) = frac12$
                but $P(X leq k) = P(Y leq k) = frac34$ and therefore
                $P(X leq k)P(Y leq k) = frac9{16}.$






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                  The equation
                  $$P(max(X,Y) leq k)=P(X leq k)P(Y leq k)$$
                  would be true if $X$ and $Y$ were independent.
                  But they clearly are not independent.



                  There are multiple ways to confirm the dependence between $X$ and $Y$, but perhaps the most obvious is to choose a not-too-large value of $k$, compute both sides of the equation, and compare the results.



                  For example, with $k=5$ we get $P(max(X,Y) leq k) = frac12$
                  but $P(X leq k) = P(Y leq k) = frac34$ and therefore
                  $P(X leq k)P(Y leq k) = frac9{16}.$






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                  The equation
                  $$P(max(X,Y) leq k)=P(X leq k)P(Y leq k)$$
                  would be true if $X$ and $Y$ were independent.
                  But they clearly are not independent.



                  There are multiple ways to confirm the dependence between $X$ and $Y$, but perhaps the most obvious is to choose a not-too-large value of $k$, compute both sides of the equation, and compare the results.



                  For example, with $k=5$ we get $P(max(X,Y) leq k) = frac12$
                  but $P(X leq k) = P(Y leq k) = frac34$ and therefore
                  $P(X leq k)P(Y leq k) = frac9{16}.$







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                      David K has explained the fallacy, but I'll derive the answer you wanted. Let $S$ denote the $fne 0$ region; let $S'$ denote the subset of $S$ with $xle y$. Then$$frac{1}{50}int_Smax{x,,y}dxdy=frac{1}{25}int_{S'}ydxdy=frac{1}{25}int_0^{10}ymin{y,,10-y}dy\=frac{1}{25}left(int_0^5y^2dy+int_5^{10}(10y-y^2)dyright)=5.$$






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                        David K has explained the fallacy, but I'll derive the answer you wanted. Let $S$ denote the $fne 0$ region; let $S'$ denote the subset of $S$ with $xle y$. Then$$frac{1}{50}int_Smax{x,,y}dxdy=frac{1}{25}int_{S'}ydxdy=frac{1}{25}int_0^{10}ymin{y,,10-y}dy\=frac{1}{25}left(int_0^5y^2dy+int_5^{10}(10y-y^2)dyright)=5.$$






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                          David K has explained the fallacy, but I'll derive the answer you wanted. Let $S$ denote the $fne 0$ region; let $S'$ denote the subset of $S$ with $xle y$. Then$$frac{1}{50}int_Smax{x,,y}dxdy=frac{1}{25}int_{S'}ydxdy=frac{1}{25}int_0^{10}ymin{y,,10-y}dy\=frac{1}{25}left(int_0^5y^2dy+int_5^{10}(10y-y^2)dyright)=5.$$






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                          David K has explained the fallacy, but I'll derive the answer you wanted. Let $S$ denote the $fne 0$ region; let $S'$ denote the subset of $S$ with $xle y$. Then$$frac{1}{50}int_Smax{x,,y}dxdy=frac{1}{25}int_{S'}ydxdy=frac{1}{25}int_0^{10}ymin{y,,10-y}dy\=frac{1}{25}left(int_0^5y^2dy+int_5^{10}(10y-y^2)dyright)=5.$$







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