How to calculate the Pareto distribution with m=0
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I am trying to calculate the Pareto distribution where the random variable has this range: $0 le x le infty$
The book I found the Pareto distribution in has defined it like so:
$Pareto(x|m,k) = k times m^{k} times x^{-(k+1)} times I(x ge m)$
where $I(true) = 1$ and $I(false) = 0$
The book also has a few example graphs:
My question is this: it appears that the $m$ is the lower limit of the range of the random variable, and I would like to set mine to zero (like the red dotted line in the plots above). The only problem is that when $m$ in the formula for Pareto is set to zero, the whole thing ends up being zero ... so how did they obtain the red dotted line plot (which is clearly not zero everywhere)?
Thanks in advance
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I am trying to calculate the Pareto distribution where the random variable has this range: $0 le x le infty$
The book I found the Pareto distribution in has defined it like so:
$Pareto(x|m,k) = k times m^{k} times x^{-(k+1)} times I(x ge m)$
where $I(true) = 1$ and $I(false) = 0$
The book also has a few example graphs:
My question is this: it appears that the $m$ is the lower limit of the range of the random variable, and I would like to set mine to zero (like the red dotted line in the plots above). The only problem is that when $m$ in the formula for Pareto is set to zero, the whole thing ends up being zero ... so how did they obtain the red dotted line plot (which is clearly not zero everywhere)?
Thanks in advance
probability probability-distributions random-variables bayesian density-function
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That $operatorname{Pareto}(0 mid 0, k) = 0$ is not a problem, but it is what it should be. And if you look at the red dotted line at $x = 0$, you observe that the value is $0$. So, there is nothing wrong here.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 24 '17 at 17:12
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@BjörnFriedrich the horizontal axis does not plot m, but rather it plots x. When I set m=0, the line is zero all the way (as per the zero constant in the formula). But the red dotted line is also plotted with m=0, yet it is not zero the whole way .... look what happens to it as it gets close to zero
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:45
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@BjörnFriedrich could you please tell me why "m=0.00" in the key in the top right corner of the screenshot, yet the red dotted line is not zero the whole way? Thanks in advance
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 20:20
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You are right. I misundetstood you. The red line should be zero everywhere, not only at zero.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 25 '17 at 4:34
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There is a disconnect between the curves and the Pareto Type I distribution. For example, the red dashed curve could be a Pareto Type III distribution, but not a Type I. Either the book is being misquoted or it is incorrect. Please provide the book citation and/or more complete text.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 17:40
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I am trying to calculate the Pareto distribution where the random variable has this range: $0 le x le infty$
The book I found the Pareto distribution in has defined it like so:
$Pareto(x|m,k) = k times m^{k} times x^{-(k+1)} times I(x ge m)$
where $I(true) = 1$ and $I(false) = 0$
The book also has a few example graphs:
My question is this: it appears that the $m$ is the lower limit of the range of the random variable, and I would like to set mine to zero (like the red dotted line in the plots above). The only problem is that when $m$ in the formula for Pareto is set to zero, the whole thing ends up being zero ... so how did they obtain the red dotted line plot (which is clearly not zero everywhere)?
Thanks in advance
probability probability-distributions random-variables bayesian density-function
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I am trying to calculate the Pareto distribution where the random variable has this range: $0 le x le infty$
The book I found the Pareto distribution in has defined it like so:
$Pareto(x|m,k) = k times m^{k} times x^{-(k+1)} times I(x ge m)$
where $I(true) = 1$ and $I(false) = 0$
The book also has a few example graphs:
My question is this: it appears that the $m$ is the lower limit of the range of the random variable, and I would like to set mine to zero (like the red dotted line in the plots above). The only problem is that when $m$ in the formula for Pareto is set to zero, the whole thing ends up being zero ... so how did they obtain the red dotted line plot (which is clearly not zero everywhere)?
Thanks in advance
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That $operatorname{Pareto}(0 mid 0, k) = 0$ is not a problem, but it is what it should be. And if you look at the red dotted line at $x = 0$, you observe that the value is $0$. So, there is nothing wrong here.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 24 '17 at 17:12
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@BjörnFriedrich the horizontal axis does not plot m, but rather it plots x. When I set m=0, the line is zero all the way (as per the zero constant in the formula). But the red dotted line is also plotted with m=0, yet it is not zero the whole way .... look what happens to it as it gets close to zero
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:45
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@BjörnFriedrich could you please tell me why "m=0.00" in the key in the top right corner of the screenshot, yet the red dotted line is not zero the whole way? Thanks in advance
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 20:20
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You are right. I misundetstood you. The red line should be zero everywhere, not only at zero.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 25 '17 at 4:34
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There is a disconnect between the curves and the Pareto Type I distribution. For example, the red dashed curve could be a Pareto Type III distribution, but not a Type I. Either the book is being misquoted or it is incorrect. Please provide the book citation and/or more complete text.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 17:40
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show 7 more comments
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That $operatorname{Pareto}(0 mid 0, k) = 0$ is not a problem, but it is what it should be. And if you look at the red dotted line at $x = 0$, you observe that the value is $0$. So, there is nothing wrong here.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 24 '17 at 17:12
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@BjörnFriedrich the horizontal axis does not plot m, but rather it plots x. When I set m=0, the line is zero all the way (as per the zero constant in the formula). But the red dotted line is also plotted with m=0, yet it is not zero the whole way .... look what happens to it as it gets close to zero
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:45
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@BjörnFriedrich could you please tell me why "m=0.00" in the key in the top right corner of the screenshot, yet the red dotted line is not zero the whole way? Thanks in advance
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 20:20
1
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You are right. I misundetstood you. The red line should be zero everywhere, not only at zero.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 25 '17 at 4:34
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There is a disconnect between the curves and the Pareto Type I distribution. For example, the red dashed curve could be a Pareto Type III distribution, but not a Type I. Either the book is being misquoted or it is incorrect. Please provide the book citation and/or more complete text.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 17:40
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That $operatorname{Pareto}(0 mid 0, k) = 0$ is not a problem, but it is what it should be. And if you look at the red dotted line at $x = 0$, you observe that the value is $0$. So, there is nothing wrong here.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 24 '17 at 17:12
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That $operatorname{Pareto}(0 mid 0, k) = 0$ is not a problem, but it is what it should be. And if you look at the red dotted line at $x = 0$, you observe that the value is $0$. So, there is nothing wrong here.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 24 '17 at 17:12
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@BjörnFriedrich the horizontal axis does not plot m, but rather it plots x. When I set m=0, the line is zero all the way (as per the zero constant in the formula). But the red dotted line is also plotted with m=0, yet it is not zero the whole way .... look what happens to it as it gets close to zero
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:45
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@BjörnFriedrich the horizontal axis does not plot m, but rather it plots x. When I set m=0, the line is zero all the way (as per the zero constant in the formula). But the red dotted line is also plotted with m=0, yet it is not zero the whole way .... look what happens to it as it gets close to zero
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:45
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@BjörnFriedrich could you please tell me why "m=0.00" in the key in the top right corner of the screenshot, yet the red dotted line is not zero the whole way? Thanks in advance
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 20:20
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@BjörnFriedrich could you please tell me why "m=0.00" in the key in the top right corner of the screenshot, yet the red dotted line is not zero the whole way? Thanks in advance
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 20:20
1
1
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You are right. I misundetstood you. The red line should be zero everywhere, not only at zero.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 25 '17 at 4:34
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You are right. I misundetstood you. The red line should be zero everywhere, not only at zero.
$endgroup$
– Björn Friedrich
Jul 25 '17 at 4:34
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There is a disconnect between the curves and the Pareto Type I distribution. For example, the red dashed curve could be a Pareto Type III distribution, but not a Type I. Either the book is being misquoted or it is incorrect. Please provide the book citation and/or more complete text.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 17:40
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There is a disconnect between the curves and the Pareto Type I distribution. For example, the red dashed curve could be a Pareto Type III distribution, but not a Type I. Either the book is being misquoted or it is incorrect. Please provide the book citation and/or more complete text.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 17:40
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You can't set the lower limit to zero. The reason is that the integral $int_0^a x^{-(k+1)}dx $ diverges at the lower endpoint (for $kge 0$). This means the distribution can't be defined with support going all the way down to zero.
That said, there are other ways to regulate the divergence than just taking a hard cutoff value. For instance you could include a convergence factor $e^{-m/x}$ in the density and then take the support $0<x<infty$. That would be a distribution that is similar to the Pareto (for $xgg m$) but has support on all the positive reals. However note that the density drops sharply for $x<m$. You aren't really eliminating the cutoff, just smoothing it out a bit.
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
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@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
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Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
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@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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Why don't you just use change of variable? Let $Xsim;$Pareto($m,k$) and define $Y=X-m$. Hence, the density function of $Y$ is $$f_Y(y|m,k)=f_X(y+m|m,k)=dfrac{km^k}{(y+m)^{k+1}}I(ygeq 0).$$
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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One way around this is to use the Pareto distribution Types III or IV. A solution for Type IV is shown here. The Pareto distribution Type IV pdf is,
$$
f(k,alpha,gamma,mu;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k^{-1/gamma } (x-mu )^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k}{x-mu }right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq mu \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}$$
And, then set the location parameter, $mu$, to zero, which yields
$$f(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k ^{-1/gamma } x^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k }{x}right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
Next, when $gamma>1$ the limit as $xrightarrow0^+$ is $infty$, which is what was requested, with the difference from the ordinary Pareto distribution (Type I) being that the discontinuity at $x=0$ is now integrable whereas the Pareto distribution Type I cannot take an $x=0$ as in that case the discontinuity at $x=0$ would not be integrable, i.e., the cdf would be infinite. For all values of $gamma$ the Type IV cdf exists for $xgeq0$ and is
$$F(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
1-left(left(frac{x}{k }right)^{1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
A plot of the Type IV solution quite similar to the OP plot is shown below as the red dashed curve. That its cdf now exists is illustrated as the blue dotted curve.
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You can't set the lower limit to zero. The reason is that the integral $int_0^a x^{-(k+1)}dx $ diverges at the lower endpoint (for $kge 0$). This means the distribution can't be defined with support going all the way down to zero.
That said, there are other ways to regulate the divergence than just taking a hard cutoff value. For instance you could include a convergence factor $e^{-m/x}$ in the density and then take the support $0<x<infty$. That would be a distribution that is similar to the Pareto (for $xgg m$) but has support on all the positive reals. However note that the density drops sharply for $x<m$. You aren't really eliminating the cutoff, just smoothing it out a bit.
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
1
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@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
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Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
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@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Dec 28 '18 at 3:15
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You can't set the lower limit to zero. The reason is that the integral $int_0^a x^{-(k+1)}dx $ diverges at the lower endpoint (for $kge 0$). This means the distribution can't be defined with support going all the way down to zero.
That said, there are other ways to regulate the divergence than just taking a hard cutoff value. For instance you could include a convergence factor $e^{-m/x}$ in the density and then take the support $0<x<infty$. That would be a distribution that is similar to the Pareto (for $xgg m$) but has support on all the positive reals. However note that the density drops sharply for $x<m$. You aren't really eliminating the cutoff, just smoothing it out a bit.
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
1
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@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
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Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
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@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Dec 28 '18 at 3:15
add a comment |
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You can't set the lower limit to zero. The reason is that the integral $int_0^a x^{-(k+1)}dx $ diverges at the lower endpoint (for $kge 0$). This means the distribution can't be defined with support going all the way down to zero.
That said, there are other ways to regulate the divergence than just taking a hard cutoff value. For instance you could include a convergence factor $e^{-m/x}$ in the density and then take the support $0<x<infty$. That would be a distribution that is similar to the Pareto (for $xgg m$) but has support on all the positive reals. However note that the density drops sharply for $x<m$. You aren't really eliminating the cutoff, just smoothing it out a bit.
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You can't set the lower limit to zero. The reason is that the integral $int_0^a x^{-(k+1)}dx $ diverges at the lower endpoint (for $kge 0$). This means the distribution can't be defined with support going all the way down to zero.
That said, there are other ways to regulate the divergence than just taking a hard cutoff value. For instance you could include a convergence factor $e^{-m/x}$ in the density and then take the support $0<x<infty$. That would be a distribution that is similar to the Pareto (for $xgg m$) but has support on all the positive reals. However note that the density drops sharply for $x<m$. You aren't really eliminating the cutoff, just smoothing it out a bit.
answered Jul 24 '17 at 17:12
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
1
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@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
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Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
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@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Dec 28 '18 at 3:15
add a comment |
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
1
$begingroup$
@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
$endgroup$
– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
$begingroup$
Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
$endgroup$
– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
$begingroup$
@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Dec 28 '18 at 3:15
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
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What should the relationship between m and k be so that when integrated from m to infinity, it equals 1?
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– Josh
Jul 24 '17 at 19:58
1
1
$begingroup$
@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
$begingroup$
@Josh the normalization coefficient $km^k$ for the Pareto distribution is selected so that it integrates to one. So it will equal one for any $m>0$ and $k>0$. They don't need to satisfy any relationship.
$endgroup$
– spaceisdarkgreen
Jul 24 '17 at 21:11
$begingroup$
Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
$begingroup$
Agreed, one cannot use a Pareto distribution Type I as the discontinuity is not integrable. However, one can use Type III or IV for that purpose and the discontinuity is then integrable, see answer.
$endgroup$
– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 16:02
$begingroup$
@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Dec 28 '18 at 3:15
$begingroup$
@Carl Yes, there's tons of ways to soften the divergence at the origin if you want the support to start at $0$ for some reason. I suggested an exponential cutoff. Using a pareto type 4 (which interpolates to an integrable power law divergence for $gamma > 1$) also would work, as would just using something of the form $1/(1+x)^{alpha+1}$ which would go to a constant. Usually, we really don't care about the origin behavior, just about the power law tail.
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– spaceisdarkgreen
Dec 28 '18 at 3:15
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Why don't you just use change of variable? Let $Xsim;$Pareto($m,k$) and define $Y=X-m$. Hence, the density function of $Y$ is $$f_Y(y|m,k)=f_X(y+m|m,k)=dfrac{km^k}{(y+m)^{k+1}}I(ygeq 0).$$
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 1:38
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Why don't you just use change of variable? Let $Xsim;$Pareto($m,k$) and define $Y=X-m$. Hence, the density function of $Y$ is $$f_Y(y|m,k)=f_X(y+m|m,k)=dfrac{km^k}{(y+m)^{k+1}}I(ygeq 0).$$
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 1:38
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Why don't you just use change of variable? Let $Xsim;$Pareto($m,k$) and define $Y=X-m$. Hence, the density function of $Y$ is $$f_Y(y|m,k)=f_X(y+m|m,k)=dfrac{km^k}{(y+m)^{k+1}}I(ygeq 0).$$
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Why don't you just use change of variable? Let $Xsim;$Pareto($m,k$) and define $Y=X-m$. Hence, the density function of $Y$ is $$f_Y(y|m,k)=f_X(y+m|m,k)=dfrac{km^k}{(y+m)^{k+1}}I(ygeq 0).$$
answered Dec 26 '18 at 22:03
Roberto CabalRoberto Cabal
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 1:38
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 1:38
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 1:38
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What that does not do is make an integrable infinity, i.e., at $x=0$, which I took to be implied by the question. That latter is done as per my answer.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 1:38
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One way around this is to use the Pareto distribution Types III or IV. A solution for Type IV is shown here. The Pareto distribution Type IV pdf is,
$$
f(k,alpha,gamma,mu;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k^{-1/gamma } (x-mu )^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k}{x-mu }right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq mu \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}$$
And, then set the location parameter, $mu$, to zero, which yields
$$f(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k ^{-1/gamma } x^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k }{x}right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
Next, when $gamma>1$ the limit as $xrightarrow0^+$ is $infty$, which is what was requested, with the difference from the ordinary Pareto distribution (Type I) being that the discontinuity at $x=0$ is now integrable whereas the Pareto distribution Type I cannot take an $x=0$ as in that case the discontinuity at $x=0$ would not be integrable, i.e., the cdf would be infinite. For all values of $gamma$ the Type IV cdf exists for $xgeq0$ and is
$$F(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
1-left(left(frac{x}{k }right)^{1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
A plot of the Type IV solution quite similar to the OP plot is shown below as the red dashed curve. That its cdf now exists is illustrated as the blue dotted curve.
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One way around this is to use the Pareto distribution Types III or IV. A solution for Type IV is shown here. The Pareto distribution Type IV pdf is,
$$
f(k,alpha,gamma,mu;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k^{-1/gamma } (x-mu )^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k}{x-mu }right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq mu \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}$$
And, then set the location parameter, $mu$, to zero, which yields
$$f(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k ^{-1/gamma } x^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k }{x}right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
Next, when $gamma>1$ the limit as $xrightarrow0^+$ is $infty$, which is what was requested, with the difference from the ordinary Pareto distribution (Type I) being that the discontinuity at $x=0$ is now integrable whereas the Pareto distribution Type I cannot take an $x=0$ as in that case the discontinuity at $x=0$ would not be integrable, i.e., the cdf would be infinite. For all values of $gamma$ the Type IV cdf exists for $xgeq0$ and is
$$F(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
1-left(left(frac{x}{k }right)^{1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
A plot of the Type IV solution quite similar to the OP plot is shown below as the red dashed curve. That its cdf now exists is illustrated as the blue dotted curve.
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add a comment |
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One way around this is to use the Pareto distribution Types III or IV. A solution for Type IV is shown here. The Pareto distribution Type IV pdf is,
$$
f(k,alpha,gamma,mu;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k^{-1/gamma } (x-mu )^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k}{x-mu }right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq mu \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}$$
And, then set the location parameter, $mu$, to zero, which yields
$$f(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k ^{-1/gamma } x^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k }{x}right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
Next, when $gamma>1$ the limit as $xrightarrow0^+$ is $infty$, which is what was requested, with the difference from the ordinary Pareto distribution (Type I) being that the discontinuity at $x=0$ is now integrable whereas the Pareto distribution Type I cannot take an $x=0$ as in that case the discontinuity at $x=0$ would not be integrable, i.e., the cdf would be infinite. For all values of $gamma$ the Type IV cdf exists for $xgeq0$ and is
$$F(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
1-left(left(frac{x}{k }right)^{1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
A plot of the Type IV solution quite similar to the OP plot is shown below as the red dashed curve. That its cdf now exists is illustrated as the blue dotted curve.
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One way around this is to use the Pareto distribution Types III or IV. A solution for Type IV is shown here. The Pareto distribution Type IV pdf is,
$$
f(k,alpha,gamma,mu;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k^{-1/gamma } (x-mu )^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k}{x-mu }right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq mu \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}$$
And, then set the location parameter, $mu$, to zero, which yields
$$f(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
frac{alpha k ^{-1/gamma } x^{frac{1}{gamma }-1} left(left(frac{k }{x}right)^{-1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha -1}}{gamma } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
Next, when $gamma>1$ the limit as $xrightarrow0^+$ is $infty$, which is what was requested, with the difference from the ordinary Pareto distribution (Type I) being that the discontinuity at $x=0$ is now integrable whereas the Pareto distribution Type I cannot take an $x=0$ as in that case the discontinuity at $x=0$ would not be integrable, i.e., the cdf would be infinite. For all values of $gamma$ the Type IV cdf exists for $xgeq0$ and is
$$F(k,alpha,gamma,0;x)=begin{array}{cc}
Bigg{ &
begin{array}{cc}
1-left(left(frac{x}{k }right)^{1/gamma }+1right)^{-alpha } & xgeq 0 \
0 & text{Elsewhere} \
end{array}
\
end{array}
$$
A plot of the Type IV solution quite similar to the OP plot is shown below as the red dashed curve. That its cdf now exists is illustrated as the blue dotted curve.
edited Dec 27 '18 at 19:41
answered Dec 26 '18 at 20:28
CarlCarl
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That $operatorname{Pareto}(0 mid 0, k) = 0$ is not a problem, but it is what it should be. And if you look at the red dotted line at $x = 0$, you observe that the value is $0$. So, there is nothing wrong here.
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– Björn Friedrich
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@BjörnFriedrich the horizontal axis does not plot m, but rather it plots x. When I set m=0, the line is zero all the way (as per the zero constant in the formula). But the red dotted line is also plotted with m=0, yet it is not zero the whole way .... look what happens to it as it gets close to zero
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– Josh
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@BjörnFriedrich could you please tell me why "m=0.00" in the key in the top right corner of the screenshot, yet the red dotted line is not zero the whole way? Thanks in advance
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– Josh
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You are right. I misundetstood you. The red line should be zero everywhere, not only at zero.
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– Björn Friedrich
Jul 25 '17 at 4:34
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There is a disconnect between the curves and the Pareto Type I distribution. For example, the red dashed curve could be a Pareto Type III distribution, but not a Type I. Either the book is being misquoted or it is incorrect. Please provide the book citation and/or more complete text.
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– Carl
Dec 27 '18 at 17:40