No Q bar on flip-flop
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I'm currently using Quartus and I'm trying to make a 4 bit counter. I noticed that when I imported the built-in flip-flop that there is no Q bar output. It's the same issue with the JK flip-flop as well. I'm trying to make an asynchronous up counter
I need the Q Bar output as this will be connected to the 'D' input. I was thinking about adding the inverter on the Q output but I can't, as I'm making an up counter.
Thanks to all in advance.
fpga flipflop
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I'm currently using Quartus and I'm trying to make a 4 bit counter. I noticed that when I imported the built-in flip-flop that there is no Q bar output. It's the same issue with the JK flip-flop as well. I'm trying to make an asynchronous up counter
I need the Q Bar output as this will be connected to the 'D' input. I was thinking about adding the inverter on the Q output but I can't, as I'm making an up counter.
Thanks to all in advance.
fpga flipflop
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
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The question makes no sense. Why would anything prevent you from creating "Q-bar" using an inverter? You can still use "Q"...
– Dave Tweed♦
Nov 25 at 18:05
Q is meant to be the output and the Q' was meant to connect to the clock aswell as the 'D' input
– Neamus
Nov 25 at 18:11
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@Neamus But that's not an answer. Q-bar is the inverse of Q. By definition, that's what it is - that's what the bar means. So if you don't have a Q-bar provided, invert Q and you have a Q-bar signal.
– Graham
Nov 25 at 20:12
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I'm currently using Quartus and I'm trying to make a 4 bit counter. I noticed that when I imported the built-in flip-flop that there is no Q bar output. It's the same issue with the JK flip-flop as well. I'm trying to make an asynchronous up counter
I need the Q Bar output as this will be connected to the 'D' input. I was thinking about adding the inverter on the Q output but I can't, as I'm making an up counter.
Thanks to all in advance.
fpga flipflop
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
SamGibson
10.8k41537
asked Nov 25 at 17:59
Neamus
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I'm currently using Quartus and I'm trying to make a 4 bit counter. I noticed that when I imported the built-in flip-flop that there is no Q bar output. It's the same issue with the JK flip-flop as well. I'm trying to make an asynchronous up counter
I need the Q Bar output as this will be connected to the 'D' input. I was thinking about adding the inverter on the Q output but I can't, as I'm making an up counter.
Thanks to all in advance.
fpga flipflop
fpga flipflop
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
SamGibson
10.8k41537
asked Nov 25 at 17:59
Neamus
1236
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
SamGibson
10.8k41537
asked Nov 25 at 17:59
Neamus
1236
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
SamGibson
10.8k41537
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
SamGibson
10.8k41537
edited Nov 25 at 18:45
SamGibson
10.8k41537
10.8k41537
asked Nov 25 at 17:59
Neamus
1236
asked Nov 25 at 17:59
Neamus
1236
asked Nov 25 at 17:59
Neamus
1236
1236
6
The question makes no sense. Why would anything prevent you from creating "Q-bar" using an inverter? You can still use "Q"...
– Dave Tweed♦
Nov 25 at 18:05
Q is meant to be the output and the Q' was meant to connect to the clock aswell as the 'D' input
– Neamus
Nov 25 at 18:11
6
@Neamus But that's not an answer. Q-bar is the inverse of Q. By definition, that's what it is - that's what the bar means. So if you don't have a Q-bar provided, invert Q and you have a Q-bar signal.
– Graham
Nov 25 at 20:12
add a comment |
6
The question makes no sense. Why would anything prevent you from creating "Q-bar" using an inverter? You can still use "Q"...
– Dave Tweed♦
Nov 25 at 18:05
Q is meant to be the output and the Q' was meant to connect to the clock aswell as the 'D' input
– Neamus
Nov 25 at 18:11
6
@Neamus But that's not an answer. Q-bar is the inverse of Q. By definition, that's what it is - that's what the bar means. So if you don't have a Q-bar provided, invert Q and you have a Q-bar signal.
– Graham
Nov 25 at 20:12
6
6
The question makes no sense. Why would anything prevent you from creating "Q-bar" using an inverter? You can still use "Q"...
– Dave Tweed♦
Nov 25 at 18:05
The question makes no sense. Why would anything prevent you from creating "Q-bar" using an inverter? You can still use "Q"...
– Dave Tweed♦
Nov 25 at 18:05
Q is meant to be the output and the Q' was meant to connect to the clock aswell as the 'D' input
– Neamus
Nov 25 at 18:11
Q is meant to be the output and the Q' was meant to connect to the clock aswell as the 'D' input
– Neamus
Nov 25 at 18:11
6
6
@Neamus But that's not an answer. Q-bar is the inverse of Q. By definition, that's what it is - that's what the bar means. So if you don't have a Q-bar provided, invert Q and you have a Q-bar signal.
– Graham
Nov 25 at 20:12
@Neamus But that's not an answer. Q-bar is the inverse of Q. By definition, that's what it is - that's what the bar means. So if you don't have a Q-bar provided, invert Q and you have a Q-bar signal.
– Graham
Nov 25 at 20:12
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FFs on FPGAs don't have explicit "Q-bar" outputs, because inverters are basically available "for free" as a result of how logic is implemented in LUTs (lookup tables).
You can just add the inverter, and it will be incorporated into every LUT that it feeds.
In any case, a ripple counter like the one you have shown is a poor choice for FPGA implementation. It is far better to use a synchronous counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
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I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
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You can add an inverter, and then you'll add some combinatorial logic on each D input to get a synchronous up counter. Or you could make a ring counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
14
down vote
accepted
FFs on FPGAs don't have explicit "Q-bar" outputs, because inverters are basically available "for free" as a result of how logic is implemented in LUTs (lookup tables).
You can just add the inverter, and it will be incorporated into every LUT that it feeds.
In any case, a ripple counter like the one you have shown is a poor choice for FPGA implementation. It is far better to use a synchronous counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
5
I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
add a comment |
up vote
14
down vote
accepted
FFs on FPGAs don't have explicit "Q-bar" outputs, because inverters are basically available "for free" as a result of how logic is implemented in LUTs (lookup tables).
You can just add the inverter, and it will be incorporated into every LUT that it feeds.
In any case, a ripple counter like the one you have shown is a poor choice for FPGA implementation. It is far better to use a synchronous counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
5
I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
add a comment |
up vote
14
down vote
accepted
up vote
14
down vote
accepted
FFs on FPGAs don't have explicit "Q-bar" outputs, because inverters are basically available "for free" as a result of how logic is implemented in LUTs (lookup tables).
You can just add the inverter, and it will be incorporated into every LUT that it feeds.
In any case, a ripple counter like the one you have shown is a poor choice for FPGA implementation. It is far better to use a synchronous counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
FFs on FPGAs don't have explicit "Q-bar" outputs, because inverters are basically available "for free" as a result of how logic is implemented in LUTs (lookup tables).
You can just add the inverter, and it will be incorporated into every LUT that it feeds.
In any case, a ripple counter like the one you have shown is a poor choice for FPGA implementation. It is far better to use a synchronous counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
answered Nov 25 at 18:07
Dave Tweed♦
116k9143255
116k9143255
5
I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
add a comment |
5
I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
5
5
I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
I would be rather surprised if Quartus will let you build a ripple counter without bitching, most FPGA tools do not like mixing clock and data because it makes timing closure hard. If you just write a register with a input <= output + 1 wrapped around it the tool will probably use one of the built in carry chains to build your counter for you (and it will be properly synchronous).
– Dan Mills
Nov 25 at 18:55
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
Oooh, “Q-bar” means “Q'” i.e. the inverse, “NOT Q”?. Never heard that term before.
– Michael
Nov 25 at 21:06
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
@DanMills Depends on the FPGA, I guess, there are a few Intel FPGA's that have surprisingly finely meshed clock nets and these might be able to do it. But in general, yeah, there's no reason for this bit fiddling anymore. Most of these questions either complete beginner hobby projects or some inane uni task.
– DonFusili
Nov 26 at 8:55
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
You can add an inverter, and then you'll add some combinatorial logic on each D input to get a synchronous up counter. Or you could make a ring counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
You can add an inverter, and then you'll add some combinatorial logic on each D input to get a synchronous up counter. Or you could make a ring counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
You can add an inverter, and then you'll add some combinatorial logic on each D input to get a synchronous up counter. Or you could make a ring counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
You can add an inverter, and then you'll add some combinatorial logic on each D input to get a synchronous up counter. Or you could make a ring counter.
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
answered Nov 25 at 18:06
Spehro Pefhany
200k4146399
200k4146399
add a comment |
add a comment |
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The question makes no sense. Why would anything prevent you from creating "Q-bar" using an inverter? You can still use "Q"...
– Dave Tweed♦
Nov 25 at 18:05
Q is meant to be the output and the Q' was meant to connect to the clock aswell as the 'D' input
– Neamus
Nov 25 at 18:11
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@Neamus But that's not an answer. Q-bar is the inverse of Q. By definition, that's what it is - that's what the bar means. So if you don't have a Q-bar provided, invert Q and you have a Q-bar signal.
– Graham
Nov 25 at 20:12