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I have to calculate two ratios of two pairs of proper integrals, for a range of parameters. I am stuck when it comes to calculating these ratios when the parameters are such that the integrands start to diverge.



Full explanation of the problem follows, but here are my questions:



(1) Can anyone spot a way of finding the ratios of two divergent integrals analytically?



(2) Can anyone help me find a good way of approximating the integrals numerically, and then take the ratio?



(3) I'm not even sure if the singularities are integrable when the integrands start to diverge. How would I test for this?



Any general insights into the problem would be welcome as I'm truly stuck! Full description of the problem below:





I have three integrals to calculate for various values of the parameters $mu$ and $lambda$, over the square $epsilon<x,y<1$ (where the lower limit of the square satisfies $0<epsilonll 1$):



$Omega = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^{10}}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



$E = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^8}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



$Z = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{x^4+5 x^2 y^2}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



where $r^2=x^2+y^2$ and the integrands each have the denominator $D(x,y,mu,lambda)=mu r^8+r^{10}+lambda(x^2+5x^2y^2)$.



I am really interested in the ratios $F(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{E}$ and $G(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{Z}$ but, obviously, I must calculate $Omega,E,Z$ for chosen values of $mu,lambda$, and then take ratios.



For physical reasons $D$ cannot be negative. This determines the range of $mu$, $lambda$ I am allowed, in the following way. Let $lambda$ be fixed. Then I can choose any $mu$ as long as
$mu > -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}$ for all $x,y$ in the square $epsilon<x,y<1$, i.e. there is a critical value $mu^*(lambda) = mathrm{max}_{x,y} left( -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}} right)$ which is achieved when the position vector takes the value $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda)) = mathrm{argmax}_{x,y} left(-r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}right)$.



To be clear: $D(x^*,y^*,mu^*,lambda)=0$ so this is where my integrands first become singular. I have implicit expressions for $mu^*, x^*, y^*$ for all values of $lambda$ but I don't think they're important necessarily, suffice it to say that as $lambda$ swings from $+infty$ to $-infty$, the vector $(x^*,y^*)$ tracks down the left-hand edge of the square, i.e. $(epsilon, 1)$ through $(epsilon,y^*(lambda))$ to $(epsilon,epsilon)$.



So the procedure I have is to fix $lambda$ and then for $mu>mu^*(lambda)$ calculate my integrals numerically and take their ratios. The problem is when I approach $mu^*$, when the integrands all become singular at the point $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda))$.



Numerical methods (naive ones, at least) break down here, so my questions are: is there anything I can do analytically to find the ratios at $mu^*$? If not can I be more clever about the numerics? And I have no feel for whether the singularities are actually integrable here. Are they?










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    I have to calculate two ratios of two pairs of proper integrals, for a range of parameters. I am stuck when it comes to calculating these ratios when the parameters are such that the integrands start to diverge.



    Full explanation of the problem follows, but here are my questions:



    (1) Can anyone spot a way of finding the ratios of two divergent integrals analytically?



    (2) Can anyone help me find a good way of approximating the integrals numerically, and then take the ratio?



    (3) I'm not even sure if the singularities are integrable when the integrands start to diverge. How would I test for this?



    Any general insights into the problem would be welcome as I'm truly stuck! Full description of the problem below:





    I have three integrals to calculate for various values of the parameters $mu$ and $lambda$, over the square $epsilon<x,y<1$ (where the lower limit of the square satisfies $0<epsilonll 1$):



    $Omega = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^{10}}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



    $E = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^8}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



    $Z = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{x^4+5 x^2 y^2}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



    where $r^2=x^2+y^2$ and the integrands each have the denominator $D(x,y,mu,lambda)=mu r^8+r^{10}+lambda(x^2+5x^2y^2)$.



    I am really interested in the ratios $F(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{E}$ and $G(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{Z}$ but, obviously, I must calculate $Omega,E,Z$ for chosen values of $mu,lambda$, and then take ratios.



    For physical reasons $D$ cannot be negative. This determines the range of $mu$, $lambda$ I am allowed, in the following way. Let $lambda$ be fixed. Then I can choose any $mu$ as long as
    $mu > -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}$ for all $x,y$ in the square $epsilon<x,y<1$, i.e. there is a critical value $mu^*(lambda) = mathrm{max}_{x,y} left( -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}} right)$ which is achieved when the position vector takes the value $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda)) = mathrm{argmax}_{x,y} left(-r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}right)$.



    To be clear: $D(x^*,y^*,mu^*,lambda)=0$ so this is where my integrands first become singular. I have implicit expressions for $mu^*, x^*, y^*$ for all values of $lambda$ but I don't think they're important necessarily, suffice it to say that as $lambda$ swings from $+infty$ to $-infty$, the vector $(x^*,y^*)$ tracks down the left-hand edge of the square, i.e. $(epsilon, 1)$ through $(epsilon,y^*(lambda))$ to $(epsilon,epsilon)$.



    So the procedure I have is to fix $lambda$ and then for $mu>mu^*(lambda)$ calculate my integrals numerically and take their ratios. The problem is when I approach $mu^*$, when the integrands all become singular at the point $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda))$.



    Numerical methods (naive ones, at least) break down here, so my questions are: is there anything I can do analytically to find the ratios at $mu^*$? If not can I be more clever about the numerics? And I have no feel for whether the singularities are actually integrable here. Are they?










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      I have to calculate two ratios of two pairs of proper integrals, for a range of parameters. I am stuck when it comes to calculating these ratios when the parameters are such that the integrands start to diverge.



      Full explanation of the problem follows, but here are my questions:



      (1) Can anyone spot a way of finding the ratios of two divergent integrals analytically?



      (2) Can anyone help me find a good way of approximating the integrals numerically, and then take the ratio?



      (3) I'm not even sure if the singularities are integrable when the integrands start to diverge. How would I test for this?



      Any general insights into the problem would be welcome as I'm truly stuck! Full description of the problem below:





      I have three integrals to calculate for various values of the parameters $mu$ and $lambda$, over the square $epsilon<x,y<1$ (where the lower limit of the square satisfies $0<epsilonll 1$):



      $Omega = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^{10}}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



      $E = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^8}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



      $Z = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{x^4+5 x^2 y^2}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



      where $r^2=x^2+y^2$ and the integrands each have the denominator $D(x,y,mu,lambda)=mu r^8+r^{10}+lambda(x^2+5x^2y^2)$.



      I am really interested in the ratios $F(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{E}$ and $G(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{Z}$ but, obviously, I must calculate $Omega,E,Z$ for chosen values of $mu,lambda$, and then take ratios.



      For physical reasons $D$ cannot be negative. This determines the range of $mu$, $lambda$ I am allowed, in the following way. Let $lambda$ be fixed. Then I can choose any $mu$ as long as
      $mu > -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}$ for all $x,y$ in the square $epsilon<x,y<1$, i.e. there is a critical value $mu^*(lambda) = mathrm{max}_{x,y} left( -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}} right)$ which is achieved when the position vector takes the value $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda)) = mathrm{argmax}_{x,y} left(-r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}right)$.



      To be clear: $D(x^*,y^*,mu^*,lambda)=0$ so this is where my integrands first become singular. I have implicit expressions for $mu^*, x^*, y^*$ for all values of $lambda$ but I don't think they're important necessarily, suffice it to say that as $lambda$ swings from $+infty$ to $-infty$, the vector $(x^*,y^*)$ tracks down the left-hand edge of the square, i.e. $(epsilon, 1)$ through $(epsilon,y^*(lambda))$ to $(epsilon,epsilon)$.



      So the procedure I have is to fix $lambda$ and then for $mu>mu^*(lambda)$ calculate my integrals numerically and take their ratios. The problem is when I approach $mu^*$, when the integrands all become singular at the point $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda))$.



      Numerical methods (naive ones, at least) break down here, so my questions are: is there anything I can do analytically to find the ratios at $mu^*$? If not can I be more clever about the numerics? And I have no feel for whether the singularities are actually integrable here. Are they?










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      I have to calculate two ratios of two pairs of proper integrals, for a range of parameters. I am stuck when it comes to calculating these ratios when the parameters are such that the integrands start to diverge.



      Full explanation of the problem follows, but here are my questions:



      (1) Can anyone spot a way of finding the ratios of two divergent integrals analytically?



      (2) Can anyone help me find a good way of approximating the integrals numerically, and then take the ratio?



      (3) I'm not even sure if the singularities are integrable when the integrands start to diverge. How would I test for this?



      Any general insights into the problem would be welcome as I'm truly stuck! Full description of the problem below:





      I have three integrals to calculate for various values of the parameters $mu$ and $lambda$, over the square $epsilon<x,y<1$ (where the lower limit of the square satisfies $0<epsilonll 1$):



      $Omega = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^{10}}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



      $E = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{r^8}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



      $Z = int_epsilon^1 dx int_epsilon^1 dy frac{x^4+5 x^2 y^2}{D(x,y,mu,lambda)}$,



      where $r^2=x^2+y^2$ and the integrands each have the denominator $D(x,y,mu,lambda)=mu r^8+r^{10}+lambda(x^2+5x^2y^2)$.



      I am really interested in the ratios $F(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{E}$ and $G(mu,lambda)=frac{Omega}{Z}$ but, obviously, I must calculate $Omega,E,Z$ for chosen values of $mu,lambda$, and then take ratios.



      For physical reasons $D$ cannot be negative. This determines the range of $mu$, $lambda$ I am allowed, in the following way. Let $lambda$ be fixed. Then I can choose any $mu$ as long as
      $mu > -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}$ for all $x,y$ in the square $epsilon<x,y<1$, i.e. there is a critical value $mu^*(lambda) = mathrm{max}_{x,y} left( -r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}} right)$ which is achieved when the position vector takes the value $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda)) = mathrm{argmax}_{x,y} left(-r^2 - lambdafrac{x^2+5x^2y^2}{r^{8}}right)$.



      To be clear: $D(x^*,y^*,mu^*,lambda)=0$ so this is where my integrands first become singular. I have implicit expressions for $mu^*, x^*, y^*$ for all values of $lambda$ but I don't think they're important necessarily, suffice it to say that as $lambda$ swings from $+infty$ to $-infty$, the vector $(x^*,y^*)$ tracks down the left-hand edge of the square, i.e. $(epsilon, 1)$ through $(epsilon,y^*(lambda))$ to $(epsilon,epsilon)$.



      So the procedure I have is to fix $lambda$ and then for $mu>mu^*(lambda)$ calculate my integrals numerically and take their ratios. The problem is when I approach $mu^*$, when the integrands all become singular at the point $(x^*(lambda),y^*(lambda))$.



      Numerical methods (naive ones, at least) break down here, so my questions are: is there anything I can do analytically to find the ratios at $mu^*$? If not can I be more clever about the numerics? And I have no feel for whether the singularities are actually integrable here. Are they?







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