Nonnegative determinant matrix as a sum of two squares












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As one can see in this MSE question, we have $det(A^{2} + B^{2})geq 0$ for any real $ntimes n$ matrices $A, B$. Is the converse true? i.e. if a real $ntimes n$ matrix with $det Cgeq 0$, is given, can we always find $A, B$ such that $C = A^{2} + B^{2}$?



Also, I'm curious if $det(A^{2} + B^{2} +C^{2})geq 0$ is also true for any matrices $A, B, C$, since in this case, we can't apply the same trick as in the previous question.










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    The question you have quoted does not tell you that $det(A^{2}+B^{2}) geq 0$ for all $A$ and $B$. If $AB=BA$ then this is correct.
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    – Kavi Rama Murthy
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    @KaviRamaMurthy Oh I see...but I can't find any counterexample for now
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As one can see in this MSE question, we have $det(A^{2} + B^{2})geq 0$ for any real $ntimes n$ matrices $A, B$. Is the converse true? i.e. if a real $ntimes n$ matrix with $det Cgeq 0$, is given, can we always find $A, B$ such that $C = A^{2} + B^{2}$?



Also, I'm curious if $det(A^{2} + B^{2} +C^{2})geq 0$ is also true for any matrices $A, B, C$, since in this case, we can't apply the same trick as in the previous question.










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    The question you have quoted does not tell you that $det(A^{2}+B^{2}) geq 0$ for all $A$ and $B$. If $AB=BA$ then this is correct.
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    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Dec 9 '18 at 23:24












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    @KaviRamaMurthy Oh I see...but I can't find any counterexample for now
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    – Seewoo Lee
    Dec 9 '18 at 23:39














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As one can see in this MSE question, we have $det(A^{2} + B^{2})geq 0$ for any real $ntimes n$ matrices $A, B$. Is the converse true? i.e. if a real $ntimes n$ matrix with $det Cgeq 0$, is given, can we always find $A, B$ such that $C = A^{2} + B^{2}$?



Also, I'm curious if $det(A^{2} + B^{2} +C^{2})geq 0$ is also true for any matrices $A, B, C$, since in this case, we can't apply the same trick as in the previous question.










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As one can see in this MSE question, we have $det(A^{2} + B^{2})geq 0$ for any real $ntimes n$ matrices $A, B$. Is the converse true? i.e. if a real $ntimes n$ matrix with $det Cgeq 0$, is given, can we always find $A, B$ such that $C = A^{2} + B^{2}$?



Also, I'm curious if $det(A^{2} + B^{2} +C^{2})geq 0$ is also true for any matrices $A, B, C$, since in this case, we can't apply the same trick as in the previous question.







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    $begingroup$
    The question you have quoted does not tell you that $det(A^{2}+B^{2}) geq 0$ for all $A$ and $B$. If $AB=BA$ then this is correct.
    $endgroup$
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Dec 9 '18 at 23:24












  • $begingroup$
    @KaviRamaMurthy Oh I see...but I can't find any counterexample for now
    $endgroup$
    – Seewoo Lee
    Dec 9 '18 at 23:39














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    The question you have quoted does not tell you that $det(A^{2}+B^{2}) geq 0$ for all $A$ and $B$. If $AB=BA$ then this is correct.
    $endgroup$
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Dec 9 '18 at 23:24












  • $begingroup$
    @KaviRamaMurthy Oh I see...but I can't find any counterexample for now
    $endgroup$
    – Seewoo Lee
    Dec 9 '18 at 23:39








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$begingroup$
The question you have quoted does not tell you that $det(A^{2}+B^{2}) geq 0$ for all $A$ and $B$. If $AB=BA$ then this is correct.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 9 '18 at 23:24






$begingroup$
The question you have quoted does not tell you that $det(A^{2}+B^{2}) geq 0$ for all $A$ and $B$. If $AB=BA$ then this is correct.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 9 '18 at 23:24














$begingroup$
@KaviRamaMurthy Oh I see...but I can't find any counterexample for now
$endgroup$
– Seewoo Lee
Dec 9 '18 at 23:39




$begingroup$
@KaviRamaMurthy Oh I see...but I can't find any counterexample for now
$endgroup$
– Seewoo Lee
Dec 9 '18 at 23:39










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