Is there any polynomial function $f$ such that If $gcd(p,q)=1$ then $gcd(f(p),f(q))=1$ for all such $p,q$?
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Is there a polynomial, $f(x)$, such that for all natural numbers $p$ and $q$, if $gcd(p, q) = 1$ then $gcd(f(p), f(q)) = 1$?
Note : Function $f(x)$ must be a polynomial in $x$, not depend on $p$ or $q$, and not be the trivial case of a polynomial with only $1$ term ($f(x) = c$ or $f(x) = x^p$).
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Is there a polynomial, $f(x)$, such that for all natural numbers $p$ and $q$, if $gcd(p, q) = 1$ then $gcd(f(p), f(q)) = 1$?
Note : Function $f(x)$ must be a polynomial in $x$, not depend on $p$ or $q$, and not be the trivial case of a polynomial with only $1$ term ($f(x) = c$ or $f(x) = x^p$).
elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
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At least $f(x) = x^2+x-1$ for $p=2$ and $q=3$, because $gcd(5,11)=1$
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– Eemil Wallin
Jun 15 '15 at 9:57
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It's not a polynomial, but if $F_n$ is the $n^{text{th}}$ Fibonacci number, then $gcd(p, q) = gcd(F_p, F_q)$ : math.stackexchange.com/a/506108/97045
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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@RoryDaulton: OP said that $f(p)$ and $f(q)$ should be coprime for all such $p,q$. Though poorly stated, this means that it should do this for all coprime numbers.
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Jun 15 '15 at 10:45
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@BolzWeir: I agree that seems to be what the OP means, but if so the question should have the introductory "If $p,q$ are co-prime integers, then" removed. I would do that edit myself if the OP himself made his meaning clear. I hate to edit other people's questions unless the meaning is made perfectly clear.
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– Rory Daulton
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@EstebanCrespi The question explicitly excludes $f(x) = x^n$ for any $n geq 0$...
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Is there a polynomial, $f(x)$, such that for all natural numbers $p$ and $q$, if $gcd(p, q) = 1$ then $gcd(f(p), f(q)) = 1$?
Note : Function $f(x)$ must be a polynomial in $x$, not depend on $p$ or $q$, and not be the trivial case of a polynomial with only $1$ term ($f(x) = c$ or $f(x) = x^p$).
elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
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Is there a polynomial, $f(x)$, such that for all natural numbers $p$ and $q$, if $gcd(p, q) = 1$ then $gcd(f(p), f(q)) = 1$?
Note : Function $f(x)$ must be a polynomial in $x$, not depend on $p$ or $q$, and not be the trivial case of a polynomial with only $1$ term ($f(x) = c$ or $f(x) = x^p$).
elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
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At least $f(x) = x^2+x-1$ for $p=2$ and $q=3$, because $gcd(5,11)=1$
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– Eemil Wallin
Jun 15 '15 at 9:57
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It's not a polynomial, but if $F_n$ is the $n^{text{th}}$ Fibonacci number, then $gcd(p, q) = gcd(F_p, F_q)$ : math.stackexchange.com/a/506108/97045
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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@RoryDaulton: OP said that $f(p)$ and $f(q)$ should be coprime for all such $p,q$. Though poorly stated, this means that it should do this for all coprime numbers.
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– user230734
Jun 15 '15 at 10:45
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@BolzWeir: I agree that seems to be what the OP means, but if so the question should have the introductory "If $p,q$ are co-prime integers, then" removed. I would do that edit myself if the OP himself made his meaning clear. I hate to edit other people's questions unless the meaning is made perfectly clear.
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– Rory Daulton
Jun 15 '15 at 10:47
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@EstebanCrespi The question explicitly excludes $f(x) = x^n$ for any $n geq 0$...
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At least $f(x) = x^2+x-1$ for $p=2$ and $q=3$, because $gcd(5,11)=1$
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– Eemil Wallin
Jun 15 '15 at 9:57
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It's not a polynomial, but if $F_n$ is the $n^{text{th}}$ Fibonacci number, then $gcd(p, q) = gcd(F_p, F_q)$ : math.stackexchange.com/a/506108/97045
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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@RoryDaulton: OP said that $f(p)$ and $f(q)$ should be coprime for all such $p,q$. Though poorly stated, this means that it should do this for all coprime numbers.
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– user230734
Jun 15 '15 at 10:45
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@BolzWeir: I agree that seems to be what the OP means, but if so the question should have the introductory "If $p,q$ are co-prime integers, then" removed. I would do that edit myself if the OP himself made his meaning clear. I hate to edit other people's questions unless the meaning is made perfectly clear.
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– Rory Daulton
Jun 15 '15 at 10:47
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@EstebanCrespi The question explicitly excludes $f(x) = x^n$ for any $n geq 0$...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 14:00
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At least $f(x) = x^2+x-1$ for $p=2$ and $q=3$, because $gcd(5,11)=1$
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– Eemil Wallin
Jun 15 '15 at 9:57
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At least $f(x) = x^2+x-1$ for $p=2$ and $q=3$, because $gcd(5,11)=1$
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– Eemil Wallin
Jun 15 '15 at 9:57
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It's not a polynomial, but if $F_n$ is the $n^{text{th}}$ Fibonacci number, then $gcd(p, q) = gcd(F_p, F_q)$ : math.stackexchange.com/a/506108/97045
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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It's not a polynomial, but if $F_n$ is the $n^{text{th}}$ Fibonacci number, then $gcd(p, q) = gcd(F_p, F_q)$ : math.stackexchange.com/a/506108/97045
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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@RoryDaulton: OP said that $f(p)$ and $f(q)$ should be coprime for all such $p,q$. Though poorly stated, this means that it should do this for all coprime numbers.
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– user230734
Jun 15 '15 at 10:45
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@RoryDaulton: OP said that $f(p)$ and $f(q)$ should be coprime for all such $p,q$. Though poorly stated, this means that it should do this for all coprime numbers.
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– user230734
Jun 15 '15 at 10:45
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@BolzWeir: I agree that seems to be what the OP means, but if so the question should have the introductory "If $p,q$ are co-prime integers, then" removed. I would do that edit myself if the OP himself made his meaning clear. I hate to edit other people's questions unless the meaning is made perfectly clear.
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– Rory Daulton
Jun 15 '15 at 10:47
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@BolzWeir: I agree that seems to be what the OP means, but if so the question should have the introductory "If $p,q$ are co-prime integers, then" removed. I would do that edit myself if the OP himself made his meaning clear. I hate to edit other people's questions unless the meaning is made perfectly clear.
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– Rory Daulton
Jun 15 '15 at 10:47
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@EstebanCrespi The question explicitly excludes $f(x) = x^n$ for any $n geq 0$...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 14:00
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@EstebanCrespi The question explicitly excludes $f(x) = x^n$ for any $n geq 0$...
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How about $f(x)=(x-p)(x-q)+1$?
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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Jun 15 '15 at 10:28
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@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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Jun 15 '15 at 10:50
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$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
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@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
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Jun 15 '15 at 11:05
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Yeah, I realize I'm a bit late for this, but here goes:
We show that for any prime $p$, $P(p)$ is a (positive or negative) power of $p$. Assume for the sake of contradiction that some prime $qneq p$ divides $P(p)$. Then
$$q|P(p)implies q|P(p+q),$$
so $gcd(P(p),P(p+q))neq 1$, a contradiction. Now, as $-x^{d+1}<P(x)<x^{d+1}$ for all sufficiently large $x$ (if $d$ is the degree of $P$), we must have by the Pigeonhole principle that there exist some fixed $sin{-1,1},kinmathbb{Z}_{geq 0}$ so that $P(p)=sp^k$ for infinitely many primes $p$ (as the only possibilities for large enough $p$ are $pm 1,pm p,cdots,pm p^d$). But then
$$P(x)-sx^k$$
has infinitely many roots, and thus $P(x)$ is identically the polynomial $pm x^k$.
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How about $f(x)=(x-p)(x-q)+1$?
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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– molarmass
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@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
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@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
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How about $f(x)=(x-p)(x-q)+1$?
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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– DanielV
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:28
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@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 10:50
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$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
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@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
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How about $f(x)=(x-p)(x-q)+1$?
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How about $f(x)=(x-p)(x-q)+1$?
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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– molarmass
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@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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– A.P.
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$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
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@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 11:05
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:28
$begingroup$
@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 10:50
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$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
$endgroup$
– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
2
$begingroup$
@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
$endgroup$
– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 11:05
2
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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I believe he means $forall p, q$
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:28
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In this case, $mathrm{gcd}(f(p),f(q)) = mathrm{gcd}((p-p)(p-q)+1,,(q-p)(q-q)+1) = mathrm{gcd}(1,1) = 1$, so I believe it is true for all $p,q$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:28
$begingroup$
@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 10:50
$begingroup$
@molarmass Going from "$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime" to "$f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$" is quite a big leap...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 10:50
$begingroup$
$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
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$f(p)$ and $f(q)$ are coprime for all $p,q$, which implies $f(a)$ and $f(b)$ are coprime for every coprime pair $a,b$.
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– molarmass
Jun 15 '15 at 10:53
2
2
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@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 11:05
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@molarmass The definition of $f$ depends on $p$ and $q$. Thus you can't say "for all $p,q$" because those numbers are fixed as soon as you define $f$.
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 11:05
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Yeah, I realize I'm a bit late for this, but here goes:
We show that for any prime $p$, $P(p)$ is a (positive or negative) power of $p$. Assume for the sake of contradiction that some prime $qneq p$ divides $P(p)$. Then
$$q|P(p)implies q|P(p+q),$$
so $gcd(P(p),P(p+q))neq 1$, a contradiction. Now, as $-x^{d+1}<P(x)<x^{d+1}$ for all sufficiently large $x$ (if $d$ is the degree of $P$), we must have by the Pigeonhole principle that there exist some fixed $sin{-1,1},kinmathbb{Z}_{geq 0}$ so that $P(p)=sp^k$ for infinitely many primes $p$ (as the only possibilities for large enough $p$ are $pm 1,pm p,cdots,pm p^d$). But then
$$P(x)-sx^k$$
has infinitely many roots, and thus $P(x)$ is identically the polynomial $pm x^k$.
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Yeah, I realize I'm a bit late for this, but here goes:
We show that for any prime $p$, $P(p)$ is a (positive or negative) power of $p$. Assume for the sake of contradiction that some prime $qneq p$ divides $P(p)$. Then
$$q|P(p)implies q|P(p+q),$$
so $gcd(P(p),P(p+q))neq 1$, a contradiction. Now, as $-x^{d+1}<P(x)<x^{d+1}$ for all sufficiently large $x$ (if $d$ is the degree of $P$), we must have by the Pigeonhole principle that there exist some fixed $sin{-1,1},kinmathbb{Z}_{geq 0}$ so that $P(p)=sp^k$ for infinitely many primes $p$ (as the only possibilities for large enough $p$ are $pm 1,pm p,cdots,pm p^d$). But then
$$P(x)-sx^k$$
has infinitely many roots, and thus $P(x)$ is identically the polynomial $pm x^k$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
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Yeah, I realize I'm a bit late for this, but here goes:
We show that for any prime $p$, $P(p)$ is a (positive or negative) power of $p$. Assume for the sake of contradiction that some prime $qneq p$ divides $P(p)$. Then
$$q|P(p)implies q|P(p+q),$$
so $gcd(P(p),P(p+q))neq 1$, a contradiction. Now, as $-x^{d+1}<P(x)<x^{d+1}$ for all sufficiently large $x$ (if $d$ is the degree of $P$), we must have by the Pigeonhole principle that there exist some fixed $sin{-1,1},kinmathbb{Z}_{geq 0}$ so that $P(p)=sp^k$ for infinitely many primes $p$ (as the only possibilities for large enough $p$ are $pm 1,pm p,cdots,pm p^d$). But then
$$P(x)-sx^k$$
has infinitely many roots, and thus $P(x)$ is identically the polynomial $pm x^k$.
$endgroup$
Yeah, I realize I'm a bit late for this, but here goes:
We show that for any prime $p$, $P(p)$ is a (positive or negative) power of $p$. Assume for the sake of contradiction that some prime $qneq p$ divides $P(p)$. Then
$$q|P(p)implies q|P(p+q),$$
so $gcd(P(p),P(p+q))neq 1$, a contradiction. Now, as $-x^{d+1}<P(x)<x^{d+1}$ for all sufficiently large $x$ (if $d$ is the degree of $P$), we must have by the Pigeonhole principle that there exist some fixed $sin{-1,1},kinmathbb{Z}_{geq 0}$ so that $P(p)=sp^k$ for infinitely many primes $p$ (as the only possibilities for large enough $p$ are $pm 1,pm p,cdots,pm p^d$). But then
$$P(x)-sx^k$$
has infinitely many roots, and thus $P(x)$ is identically the polynomial $pm x^k$.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 4:32
Carl SchildkrautCarl Schildkraut
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At least $f(x) = x^2+x-1$ for $p=2$ and $q=3$, because $gcd(5,11)=1$
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– Eemil Wallin
Jun 15 '15 at 9:57
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It's not a polynomial, but if $F_n$ is the $n^{text{th}}$ Fibonacci number, then $gcd(p, q) = gcd(F_p, F_q)$ : math.stackexchange.com/a/506108/97045
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– DanielV
Jun 15 '15 at 10:18
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@RoryDaulton: OP said that $f(p)$ and $f(q)$ should be coprime for all such $p,q$. Though poorly stated, this means that it should do this for all coprime numbers.
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– user230734
Jun 15 '15 at 10:45
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@BolzWeir: I agree that seems to be what the OP means, but if so the question should have the introductory "If $p,q$ are co-prime integers, then" removed. I would do that edit myself if the OP himself made his meaning clear. I hate to edit other people's questions unless the meaning is made perfectly clear.
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– Rory Daulton
Jun 15 '15 at 10:47
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@EstebanCrespi The question explicitly excludes $f(x) = x^n$ for any $n geq 0$...
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– A.P.
Jun 15 '15 at 14:00