Relative homology and limit
$begingroup$
Let $X$ be a smooth manifold and $Osubset X$ be an closed set containing a non-trivial neighbourhood of $xin X$. The reason to ask the question is to clarify the relationship between limit and relative homology. Recall that in algebraic geometry, an affine scheme $Spec(R)$ has stalk $R_p$ with $pin Spec(R)$ where $R_p$ can be realized as direct limit over open sets $pin D(f)subset Spec(R)$. I wish to see whether there is connection between limit and relative homology.
Suppose $O$ is small enough say a small ball around $x$. Then $H_star(X,X-O)cong H_star(X,X-{x})$ via deformation retraction. Take any homology class $gammain H_star(X,X-O)$. I can always lift to a $gamma'$ cycle of $Z_star(X,X-O)$ first and then perform subdivision. Note that I am basically invoking subdivision procedure and identifying the chain complex level quasi isomorphism and this does not change the relevant homology class information. Now $H_star(X,X-O)$ will throw away the cycles sitting inside $X-O$. So I can keep dividing $gamma'$ and in hope to get a cycle "totally" lying in $O$ as all cycles in $X-O$ are removed by quotient.
$textbf{Q1:}$ Does this infinite subdivision procedure makes sense? It looks like I am considering open covering of $X$ and looking at the cycles supported on those coverings. In other words, eventually, I have deformed original $gamma'$ cycle to a cycle lying on $O$ and this $gamma'$ may very likely touch boundary of $O$ as $O$ is closed.
Now $H_star(X,X-O)to H_star(X,X-{x})$ is by excision first and then following deformation retraction.
$textbf{Q2:}$ Can I say "$H_star(X,X-{x})$ is directed limit of $H_star(X,U)$ with $xnotin U$? It is clear that if $U$ is small enough, one can do excision again and deformation retraction argument. Here I wish to draw analogy with algebraic geometry setting.
$textbf{Q3:}$ What is the weakest assumption on $X,O$ to keep $Q1,Q2$ holding?
general-topology geometry algebraic-geometry algebraic-topology
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let $X$ be a smooth manifold and $Osubset X$ be an closed set containing a non-trivial neighbourhood of $xin X$. The reason to ask the question is to clarify the relationship between limit and relative homology. Recall that in algebraic geometry, an affine scheme $Spec(R)$ has stalk $R_p$ with $pin Spec(R)$ where $R_p$ can be realized as direct limit over open sets $pin D(f)subset Spec(R)$. I wish to see whether there is connection between limit and relative homology.
Suppose $O$ is small enough say a small ball around $x$. Then $H_star(X,X-O)cong H_star(X,X-{x})$ via deformation retraction. Take any homology class $gammain H_star(X,X-O)$. I can always lift to a $gamma'$ cycle of $Z_star(X,X-O)$ first and then perform subdivision. Note that I am basically invoking subdivision procedure and identifying the chain complex level quasi isomorphism and this does not change the relevant homology class information. Now $H_star(X,X-O)$ will throw away the cycles sitting inside $X-O$. So I can keep dividing $gamma'$ and in hope to get a cycle "totally" lying in $O$ as all cycles in $X-O$ are removed by quotient.
$textbf{Q1:}$ Does this infinite subdivision procedure makes sense? It looks like I am considering open covering of $X$ and looking at the cycles supported on those coverings. In other words, eventually, I have deformed original $gamma'$ cycle to a cycle lying on $O$ and this $gamma'$ may very likely touch boundary of $O$ as $O$ is closed.
Now $H_star(X,X-O)to H_star(X,X-{x})$ is by excision first and then following deformation retraction.
$textbf{Q2:}$ Can I say "$H_star(X,X-{x})$ is directed limit of $H_star(X,U)$ with $xnotin U$? It is clear that if $U$ is small enough, one can do excision again and deformation retraction argument. Here I wish to draw analogy with algebraic geometry setting.
$textbf{Q3:}$ What is the weakest assumption on $X,O$ to keep $Q1,Q2$ holding?
general-topology geometry algebraic-geometry algebraic-topology
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I can't at this early hour of the morning follow what you're saying...but it might be helpful to work through an example in low dimensions, like, say, the torus $S^1 times S^1$, which you can draw as a square with edges identified, and triangulated by a 3x3 grid of lines with diagonals drawn in.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
Dec 11 '18 at 13:12
$begingroup$
@JohnHughes The homology I am talking about is singular homology. Simplicial homology does not have this sort of obvious freedom. Given a covering $U_i$ of $X$, then $C_star(X;U_i)$ is quasi isomorphic to $C_star(X)$ where latter denotes singular chains supported on $U_i$. This quasi isomorphism is given by homotopy between identity map and subdivision map.
$endgroup$
– user45765
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let $X$ be a smooth manifold and $Osubset X$ be an closed set containing a non-trivial neighbourhood of $xin X$. The reason to ask the question is to clarify the relationship between limit and relative homology. Recall that in algebraic geometry, an affine scheme $Spec(R)$ has stalk $R_p$ with $pin Spec(R)$ where $R_p$ can be realized as direct limit over open sets $pin D(f)subset Spec(R)$. I wish to see whether there is connection between limit and relative homology.
Suppose $O$ is small enough say a small ball around $x$. Then $H_star(X,X-O)cong H_star(X,X-{x})$ via deformation retraction. Take any homology class $gammain H_star(X,X-O)$. I can always lift to a $gamma'$ cycle of $Z_star(X,X-O)$ first and then perform subdivision. Note that I am basically invoking subdivision procedure and identifying the chain complex level quasi isomorphism and this does not change the relevant homology class information. Now $H_star(X,X-O)$ will throw away the cycles sitting inside $X-O$. So I can keep dividing $gamma'$ and in hope to get a cycle "totally" lying in $O$ as all cycles in $X-O$ are removed by quotient.
$textbf{Q1:}$ Does this infinite subdivision procedure makes sense? It looks like I am considering open covering of $X$ and looking at the cycles supported on those coverings. In other words, eventually, I have deformed original $gamma'$ cycle to a cycle lying on $O$ and this $gamma'$ may very likely touch boundary of $O$ as $O$ is closed.
Now $H_star(X,X-O)to H_star(X,X-{x})$ is by excision first and then following deformation retraction.
$textbf{Q2:}$ Can I say "$H_star(X,X-{x})$ is directed limit of $H_star(X,U)$ with $xnotin U$? It is clear that if $U$ is small enough, one can do excision again and deformation retraction argument. Here I wish to draw analogy with algebraic geometry setting.
$textbf{Q3:}$ What is the weakest assumption on $X,O$ to keep $Q1,Q2$ holding?
general-topology geometry algebraic-geometry algebraic-topology
$endgroup$
Let $X$ be a smooth manifold and $Osubset X$ be an closed set containing a non-trivial neighbourhood of $xin X$. The reason to ask the question is to clarify the relationship between limit and relative homology. Recall that in algebraic geometry, an affine scheme $Spec(R)$ has stalk $R_p$ with $pin Spec(R)$ where $R_p$ can be realized as direct limit over open sets $pin D(f)subset Spec(R)$. I wish to see whether there is connection between limit and relative homology.
Suppose $O$ is small enough say a small ball around $x$. Then $H_star(X,X-O)cong H_star(X,X-{x})$ via deformation retraction. Take any homology class $gammain H_star(X,X-O)$. I can always lift to a $gamma'$ cycle of $Z_star(X,X-O)$ first and then perform subdivision. Note that I am basically invoking subdivision procedure and identifying the chain complex level quasi isomorphism and this does not change the relevant homology class information. Now $H_star(X,X-O)$ will throw away the cycles sitting inside $X-O$. So I can keep dividing $gamma'$ and in hope to get a cycle "totally" lying in $O$ as all cycles in $X-O$ are removed by quotient.
$textbf{Q1:}$ Does this infinite subdivision procedure makes sense? It looks like I am considering open covering of $X$ and looking at the cycles supported on those coverings. In other words, eventually, I have deformed original $gamma'$ cycle to a cycle lying on $O$ and this $gamma'$ may very likely touch boundary of $O$ as $O$ is closed.
Now $H_star(X,X-O)to H_star(X,X-{x})$ is by excision first and then following deformation retraction.
$textbf{Q2:}$ Can I say "$H_star(X,X-{x})$ is directed limit of $H_star(X,U)$ with $xnotin U$? It is clear that if $U$ is small enough, one can do excision again and deformation retraction argument. Here I wish to draw analogy with algebraic geometry setting.
$textbf{Q3:}$ What is the weakest assumption on $X,O$ to keep $Q1,Q2$ holding?
general-topology geometry algebraic-geometry algebraic-topology
general-topology geometry algebraic-geometry algebraic-topology
asked Dec 11 '18 at 5:28
user45765user45765
2,6792724
2,6792724
$begingroup$
I can't at this early hour of the morning follow what you're saying...but it might be helpful to work through an example in low dimensions, like, say, the torus $S^1 times S^1$, which you can draw as a square with edges identified, and triangulated by a 3x3 grid of lines with diagonals drawn in.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
Dec 11 '18 at 13:12
$begingroup$
@JohnHughes The homology I am talking about is singular homology. Simplicial homology does not have this sort of obvious freedom. Given a covering $U_i$ of $X$, then $C_star(X;U_i)$ is quasi isomorphic to $C_star(X)$ where latter denotes singular chains supported on $U_i$. This quasi isomorphism is given by homotopy between identity map and subdivision map.
$endgroup$
– user45765
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I can't at this early hour of the morning follow what you're saying...but it might be helpful to work through an example in low dimensions, like, say, the torus $S^1 times S^1$, which you can draw as a square with edges identified, and triangulated by a 3x3 grid of lines with diagonals drawn in.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
Dec 11 '18 at 13:12
$begingroup$
@JohnHughes The homology I am talking about is singular homology. Simplicial homology does not have this sort of obvious freedom. Given a covering $U_i$ of $X$, then $C_star(X;U_i)$ is quasi isomorphic to $C_star(X)$ where latter denotes singular chains supported on $U_i$. This quasi isomorphism is given by homotopy between identity map and subdivision map.
$endgroup$
– user45765
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43
$begingroup$
I can't at this early hour of the morning follow what you're saying...but it might be helpful to work through an example in low dimensions, like, say, the torus $S^1 times S^1$, which you can draw as a square with edges identified, and triangulated by a 3x3 grid of lines with diagonals drawn in.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
Dec 11 '18 at 13:12
$begingroup$
I can't at this early hour of the morning follow what you're saying...but it might be helpful to work through an example in low dimensions, like, say, the torus $S^1 times S^1$, which you can draw as a square with edges identified, and triangulated by a 3x3 grid of lines with diagonals drawn in.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
Dec 11 '18 at 13:12
$begingroup$
@JohnHughes The homology I am talking about is singular homology. Simplicial homology does not have this sort of obvious freedom. Given a covering $U_i$ of $X$, then $C_star(X;U_i)$ is quasi isomorphic to $C_star(X)$ where latter denotes singular chains supported on $U_i$. This quasi isomorphism is given by homotopy between identity map and subdivision map.
$endgroup$
– user45765
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43
$begingroup$
@JohnHughes The homology I am talking about is singular homology. Simplicial homology does not have this sort of obvious freedom. Given a covering $U_i$ of $X$, then $C_star(X;U_i)$ is quasi isomorphic to $C_star(X)$ where latter denotes singular chains supported on $U_i$. This quasi isomorphism is given by homotopy between identity map and subdivision map.
$endgroup$
– user45765
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
$H_star(X,X setminus O)cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ is a serious requirement on $O$. For example, it is wrong if $O = X$. An adequate choice for $O$ is this: If $X$ is $n$-dimensional, choose a chart $phi : U to mathbb{R}^n$ such that $phi(x) = 0$, where $U$ is an open neighborhood of $x$. Let $D(0,r) = { x in mathbb{R}^n mid lVert x rVert le r } subset mathbb{R}^n$ be a closed ball and $mathring{D}(0,r)$ its interior which is an open ball. For $O = O(phi,r) = phi^{-1}(D(0,r))$ both $X setminus O$ and $X setminus { x }$ have $X setminus phi^{-1}(mathring{D}(0,2r))$ as a strong deformation retract, therefore the inclusion $i : X setminus O to X setminus { x }$ is a homotopy equivalence. Hence $i_* : H_*(X setminus O) to H_*(X setminus { x })$ is an isomorphism. The long exact sequences of the pairs $(X,X setminus O)$ and $(X,X setminus { x })$ and the five lemma gives us then an isomorphism $H_star(X,X setminus O) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
Now it seems that you consider the set $mathcal{U}$ of all open sets $U subset X$ not containing $x$. This is set is partially ordered by inclusion (i.e. $U le U'$ if $U subset U'$). It is clearly a directed set and it has $X setminus {x}$ as maximum. Hence the directed system $H_*(X, U)$ indexed by $mathcal{U}$ trivially has $ H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ as its direct limit.
But perhaps you want to admit only open $U subset X$ such that $O_U = X setminus U$ is a closed neighborhood of $x$. The set $mathcal{U}'$ of all these $U$ is a directed subset of $mathcal{U}$ which does not have a maximum. We know that the $O(phi,r)$ constitute a neigborhood basis for $x$. Hence the $U(phi,r) = X setminus O(phi,r)$ form a cofinal subset of $mathcal{U}'$, hence the direct limits $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U)$ and $text{dirlim}_{r >0} H_*(X,U(phi,r))$ are isomorphic. Since all $i_* : H_*(X,U(phi,r)) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ are isomorphisms, we end again with $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U) cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
});
});
}, "mathjax-editing");
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3034930%2frelative-homology-and-limit%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
$H_star(X,X setminus O)cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ is a serious requirement on $O$. For example, it is wrong if $O = X$. An adequate choice for $O$ is this: If $X$ is $n$-dimensional, choose a chart $phi : U to mathbb{R}^n$ such that $phi(x) = 0$, where $U$ is an open neighborhood of $x$. Let $D(0,r) = { x in mathbb{R}^n mid lVert x rVert le r } subset mathbb{R}^n$ be a closed ball and $mathring{D}(0,r)$ its interior which is an open ball. For $O = O(phi,r) = phi^{-1}(D(0,r))$ both $X setminus O$ and $X setminus { x }$ have $X setminus phi^{-1}(mathring{D}(0,2r))$ as a strong deformation retract, therefore the inclusion $i : X setminus O to X setminus { x }$ is a homotopy equivalence. Hence $i_* : H_*(X setminus O) to H_*(X setminus { x })$ is an isomorphism. The long exact sequences of the pairs $(X,X setminus O)$ and $(X,X setminus { x })$ and the five lemma gives us then an isomorphism $H_star(X,X setminus O) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
Now it seems that you consider the set $mathcal{U}$ of all open sets $U subset X$ not containing $x$. This is set is partially ordered by inclusion (i.e. $U le U'$ if $U subset U'$). It is clearly a directed set and it has $X setminus {x}$ as maximum. Hence the directed system $H_*(X, U)$ indexed by $mathcal{U}$ trivially has $ H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ as its direct limit.
But perhaps you want to admit only open $U subset X$ such that $O_U = X setminus U$ is a closed neighborhood of $x$. The set $mathcal{U}'$ of all these $U$ is a directed subset of $mathcal{U}$ which does not have a maximum. We know that the $O(phi,r)$ constitute a neigborhood basis for $x$. Hence the $U(phi,r) = X setminus O(phi,r)$ form a cofinal subset of $mathcal{U}'$, hence the direct limits $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U)$ and $text{dirlim}_{r >0} H_*(X,U(phi,r))$ are isomorphic. Since all $i_* : H_*(X,U(phi,r)) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ are isomorphisms, we end again with $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U) cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$H_star(X,X setminus O)cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ is a serious requirement on $O$. For example, it is wrong if $O = X$. An adequate choice for $O$ is this: If $X$ is $n$-dimensional, choose a chart $phi : U to mathbb{R}^n$ such that $phi(x) = 0$, where $U$ is an open neighborhood of $x$. Let $D(0,r) = { x in mathbb{R}^n mid lVert x rVert le r } subset mathbb{R}^n$ be a closed ball and $mathring{D}(0,r)$ its interior which is an open ball. For $O = O(phi,r) = phi^{-1}(D(0,r))$ both $X setminus O$ and $X setminus { x }$ have $X setminus phi^{-1}(mathring{D}(0,2r))$ as a strong deformation retract, therefore the inclusion $i : X setminus O to X setminus { x }$ is a homotopy equivalence. Hence $i_* : H_*(X setminus O) to H_*(X setminus { x })$ is an isomorphism. The long exact sequences of the pairs $(X,X setminus O)$ and $(X,X setminus { x })$ and the five lemma gives us then an isomorphism $H_star(X,X setminus O) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
Now it seems that you consider the set $mathcal{U}$ of all open sets $U subset X$ not containing $x$. This is set is partially ordered by inclusion (i.e. $U le U'$ if $U subset U'$). It is clearly a directed set and it has $X setminus {x}$ as maximum. Hence the directed system $H_*(X, U)$ indexed by $mathcal{U}$ trivially has $ H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ as its direct limit.
But perhaps you want to admit only open $U subset X$ such that $O_U = X setminus U$ is a closed neighborhood of $x$. The set $mathcal{U}'$ of all these $U$ is a directed subset of $mathcal{U}$ which does not have a maximum. We know that the $O(phi,r)$ constitute a neigborhood basis for $x$. Hence the $U(phi,r) = X setminus O(phi,r)$ form a cofinal subset of $mathcal{U}'$, hence the direct limits $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U)$ and $text{dirlim}_{r >0} H_*(X,U(phi,r))$ are isomorphic. Since all $i_* : H_*(X,U(phi,r)) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ are isomorphisms, we end again with $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U) cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
$H_star(X,X setminus O)cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ is a serious requirement on $O$. For example, it is wrong if $O = X$. An adequate choice for $O$ is this: If $X$ is $n$-dimensional, choose a chart $phi : U to mathbb{R}^n$ such that $phi(x) = 0$, where $U$ is an open neighborhood of $x$. Let $D(0,r) = { x in mathbb{R}^n mid lVert x rVert le r } subset mathbb{R}^n$ be a closed ball and $mathring{D}(0,r)$ its interior which is an open ball. For $O = O(phi,r) = phi^{-1}(D(0,r))$ both $X setminus O$ and $X setminus { x }$ have $X setminus phi^{-1}(mathring{D}(0,2r))$ as a strong deformation retract, therefore the inclusion $i : X setminus O to X setminus { x }$ is a homotopy equivalence. Hence $i_* : H_*(X setminus O) to H_*(X setminus { x })$ is an isomorphism. The long exact sequences of the pairs $(X,X setminus O)$ and $(X,X setminus { x })$ and the five lemma gives us then an isomorphism $H_star(X,X setminus O) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
Now it seems that you consider the set $mathcal{U}$ of all open sets $U subset X$ not containing $x$. This is set is partially ordered by inclusion (i.e. $U le U'$ if $U subset U'$). It is clearly a directed set and it has $X setminus {x}$ as maximum. Hence the directed system $H_*(X, U)$ indexed by $mathcal{U}$ trivially has $ H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ as its direct limit.
But perhaps you want to admit only open $U subset X$ such that $O_U = X setminus U$ is a closed neighborhood of $x$. The set $mathcal{U}'$ of all these $U$ is a directed subset of $mathcal{U}$ which does not have a maximum. We know that the $O(phi,r)$ constitute a neigborhood basis for $x$. Hence the $U(phi,r) = X setminus O(phi,r)$ form a cofinal subset of $mathcal{U}'$, hence the direct limits $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U)$ and $text{dirlim}_{r >0} H_*(X,U(phi,r))$ are isomorphic. Since all $i_* : H_*(X,U(phi,r)) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ are isomorphisms, we end again with $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U) cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
$endgroup$
$H_star(X,X setminus O)cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ is a serious requirement on $O$. For example, it is wrong if $O = X$. An adequate choice for $O$ is this: If $X$ is $n$-dimensional, choose a chart $phi : U to mathbb{R}^n$ such that $phi(x) = 0$, where $U$ is an open neighborhood of $x$. Let $D(0,r) = { x in mathbb{R}^n mid lVert x rVert le r } subset mathbb{R}^n$ be a closed ball and $mathring{D}(0,r)$ its interior which is an open ball. For $O = O(phi,r) = phi^{-1}(D(0,r))$ both $X setminus O$ and $X setminus { x }$ have $X setminus phi^{-1}(mathring{D}(0,2r))$ as a strong deformation retract, therefore the inclusion $i : X setminus O to X setminus { x }$ is a homotopy equivalence. Hence $i_* : H_*(X setminus O) to H_*(X setminus { x })$ is an isomorphism. The long exact sequences of the pairs $(X,X setminus O)$ and $(X,X setminus { x })$ and the five lemma gives us then an isomorphism $H_star(X,X setminus O) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
Now it seems that you consider the set $mathcal{U}$ of all open sets $U subset X$ not containing $x$. This is set is partially ordered by inclusion (i.e. $U le U'$ if $U subset U'$). It is clearly a directed set and it has $X setminus {x}$ as maximum. Hence the directed system $H_*(X, U)$ indexed by $mathcal{U}$ trivially has $ H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ as its direct limit.
But perhaps you want to admit only open $U subset X$ such that $O_U = X setminus U$ is a closed neighborhood of $x$. The set $mathcal{U}'$ of all these $U$ is a directed subset of $mathcal{U}$ which does not have a maximum. We know that the $O(phi,r)$ constitute a neigborhood basis for $x$. Hence the $U(phi,r) = X setminus O(phi,r)$ form a cofinal subset of $mathcal{U}'$, hence the direct limits $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U)$ and $text{dirlim}_{r >0} H_*(X,U(phi,r))$ are isomorphic. Since all $i_* : H_*(X,U(phi,r)) to H_star(X,X setminus {x})$ are isomorphisms, we end again with $text{dirlim}_{U in mathcal{U}'} H_*(X, U) cong H_star(X,X setminus {x})$.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 14:47
Paul FrostPaul Frost
11.7k3935
11.7k3935
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3034930%2frelative-homology-and-limit%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
$begingroup$
I can't at this early hour of the morning follow what you're saying...but it might be helpful to work through an example in low dimensions, like, say, the torus $S^1 times S^1$, which you can draw as a square with edges identified, and triangulated by a 3x3 grid of lines with diagonals drawn in.
$endgroup$
– John Hughes
Dec 11 '18 at 13:12
$begingroup$
@JohnHughes The homology I am talking about is singular homology. Simplicial homology does not have this sort of obvious freedom. Given a covering $U_i$ of $X$, then $C_star(X;U_i)$ is quasi isomorphic to $C_star(X)$ where latter denotes singular chains supported on $U_i$. This quasi isomorphism is given by homotopy between identity map and subdivision map.
$endgroup$
– user45765
Dec 11 '18 at 14:43