If $lim limits_{n to infty } (a_{n+1}-a_n)=0$ and $(a_{4n})_{nge1}$ converges decide whether or not $(a_n)$...












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If $lim limits_{n to infty } (a_{n+1}-a_n)=0$ and $(a_{4n})_{nge1}$ converges decide whether or not $(a_n)$ converges.



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I think it isn't enough to $a_n$ converges.



I know $lim limits_{n to infty }( a_{4n+1}-a_{4n})=0$, and because $(a_{4n+1}−a_{4n})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1}-a_n)$ it also converges to 0, so $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n} $



But I don't know how how to finish this proof. Could someone give me some hints?






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    If $lim limits_{n to infty } (a_{n+1}-a_n)=0$ and $(a_{4n})_{nge1}$ converges decide whether or not $(a_n)$ converges.



    My attempt:



    I think it isn't enough to $a_n$ converges.



    I know $lim limits_{n to infty }( a_{4n+1}-a_{4n})=0$, and because $(a_{4n+1}−a_{4n})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1}-a_n)$ it also converges to 0, so $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n} $



    But I don't know how how to finish this proof. Could someone give me some hints?






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      If $lim limits_{n to infty } (a_{n+1}-a_n)=0$ and $(a_{4n})_{nge1}$ converges decide whether or not $(a_n)$ converges.



      My attempt:



      I think it isn't enough to $a_n$ converges.



      I know $lim limits_{n to infty }( a_{4n+1}-a_{4n})=0$, and because $(a_{4n+1}−a_{4n})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1}-a_n)$ it also converges to 0, so $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n} $



      But I don't know how how to finish this proof. Could someone give me some hints?






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      If $lim limits_{n to infty } (a_{n+1}-a_n)=0$ and $(a_{4n})_{nge1}$ converges decide whether or not $(a_n)$ converges.



      My attempt:



      I think it isn't enough to $a_n$ converges.



      I know $lim limits_{n to infty }( a_{4n+1}-a_{4n})=0$, and because $(a_{4n+1}−a_{4n})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1}-a_n)$ it also converges to 0, so $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n} $



      But I don't know how how to finish this proof. Could someone give me some hints?






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          Write $ell = lim_{ntoinfty} a_{4n}$. For each $epsilon > 0$,




          • Pick $N_1$ such that $n geq N_1$ implies $|a_{n+1} - a_n| < epsilon/5$.

          • Pick $N_2$ such that $4k geq N_2$ implies $|a_{4k} - ell| < epsilon/5$.


          Write $N = max{N_1, N_2}$. Then for each $n geq N$, with $n = 4k+r$ with $r in {0,1,2,3}$,



          $$ |a_n - ell| leq left( sum_{j=r}^{3} |a_{4k+j+1} - a_{4k+j}| right) + |a_{4(k+1)} - ell| < epsilon. $$



          Therefore the $epsilon$-$N$ definition of $a_n to ell$ is established and hence $a_n to ell$.






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            Hints: let $j,kin mathbb N$ and write $j=4j'+r,k=4k'+s$ with $0leq r,s <4$. Using the fact that $a_{n+1}-a_n to 0$ show that $a_{n+2}-a_n to 0$ and $a_{n+3}-a_n to 0$. Conclude that $a_j-a_{4j'} to 0$ and $a_k-a_{4k'} to 0$. Now can you complete the proof?






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              By the same technique you used, $(a_{4n+2} - a_{4n+1})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1} - a_n)$, so it has to converge to $0$ as well. Does that help?






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                So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
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              Write $ell = lim_{ntoinfty} a_{4n}$. For each $epsilon > 0$,




              • Pick $N_1$ such that $n geq N_1$ implies $|a_{n+1} - a_n| < epsilon/5$.

              • Pick $N_2$ such that $4k geq N_2$ implies $|a_{4k} - ell| < epsilon/5$.


              Write $N = max{N_1, N_2}$. Then for each $n geq N$, with $n = 4k+r$ with $r in {0,1,2,3}$,



              $$ |a_n - ell| leq left( sum_{j=r}^{3} |a_{4k+j+1} - a_{4k+j}| right) + |a_{4(k+1)} - ell| < epsilon. $$



              Therefore the $epsilon$-$N$ definition of $a_n to ell$ is established and hence $a_n to ell$.






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                Write $ell = lim_{ntoinfty} a_{4n}$. For each $epsilon > 0$,




                • Pick $N_1$ such that $n geq N_1$ implies $|a_{n+1} - a_n| < epsilon/5$.

                • Pick $N_2$ such that $4k geq N_2$ implies $|a_{4k} - ell| < epsilon/5$.


                Write $N = max{N_1, N_2}$. Then for each $n geq N$, with $n = 4k+r$ with $r in {0,1,2,3}$,



                $$ |a_n - ell| leq left( sum_{j=r}^{3} |a_{4k+j+1} - a_{4k+j}| right) + |a_{4(k+1)} - ell| < epsilon. $$



                Therefore the $epsilon$-$N$ definition of $a_n to ell$ is established and hence $a_n to ell$.






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                  Write $ell = lim_{ntoinfty} a_{4n}$. For each $epsilon > 0$,




                  • Pick $N_1$ such that $n geq N_1$ implies $|a_{n+1} - a_n| < epsilon/5$.

                  • Pick $N_2$ such that $4k geq N_2$ implies $|a_{4k} - ell| < epsilon/5$.


                  Write $N = max{N_1, N_2}$. Then for each $n geq N$, with $n = 4k+r$ with $r in {0,1,2,3}$,



                  $$ |a_n - ell| leq left( sum_{j=r}^{3} |a_{4k+j+1} - a_{4k+j}| right) + |a_{4(k+1)} - ell| < epsilon. $$



                  Therefore the $epsilon$-$N$ definition of $a_n to ell$ is established and hence $a_n to ell$.






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                  Write $ell = lim_{ntoinfty} a_{4n}$. For each $epsilon > 0$,




                  • Pick $N_1$ such that $n geq N_1$ implies $|a_{n+1} - a_n| < epsilon/5$.

                  • Pick $N_2$ such that $4k geq N_2$ implies $|a_{4k} - ell| < epsilon/5$.


                  Write $N = max{N_1, N_2}$. Then for each $n geq N$, with $n = 4k+r$ with $r in {0,1,2,3}$,



                  $$ |a_n - ell| leq left( sum_{j=r}^{3} |a_{4k+j+1} - a_{4k+j}| right) + |a_{4(k+1)} - ell| < epsilon. $$



                  Therefore the $epsilon$-$N$ definition of $a_n to ell$ is established and hence $a_n to ell$.







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                      Hints: let $j,kin mathbb N$ and write $j=4j'+r,k=4k'+s$ with $0leq r,s <4$. Using the fact that $a_{n+1}-a_n to 0$ show that $a_{n+2}-a_n to 0$ and $a_{n+3}-a_n to 0$. Conclude that $a_j-a_{4j'} to 0$ and $a_k-a_{4k'} to 0$. Now can you complete the proof?






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                        Hints: let $j,kin mathbb N$ and write $j=4j'+r,k=4k'+s$ with $0leq r,s <4$. Using the fact that $a_{n+1}-a_n to 0$ show that $a_{n+2}-a_n to 0$ and $a_{n+3}-a_n to 0$. Conclude that $a_j-a_{4j'} to 0$ and $a_k-a_{4k'} to 0$. Now can you complete the proof?






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                          Hints: let $j,kin mathbb N$ and write $j=4j'+r,k=4k'+s$ with $0leq r,s <4$. Using the fact that $a_{n+1}-a_n to 0$ show that $a_{n+2}-a_n to 0$ and $a_{n+3}-a_n to 0$. Conclude that $a_j-a_{4j'} to 0$ and $a_k-a_{4k'} to 0$. Now can you complete the proof?






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                          Hints: let $j,kin mathbb N$ and write $j=4j'+r,k=4k'+s$ with $0leq r,s <4$. Using the fact that $a_{n+1}-a_n to 0$ show that $a_{n+2}-a_n to 0$ and $a_{n+3}-a_n to 0$. Conclude that $a_j-a_{4j'} to 0$ and $a_k-a_{4k'} to 0$. Now can you complete the proof?







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                              By the same technique you used, $(a_{4n+2} - a_{4n+1})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1} - a_n)$, so it has to converge to $0$ as well. Does that help?






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                                So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                                Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
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                                – platty
                                Nov 29 '18 at 23:46
















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                              By the same technique you used, $(a_{4n+2} - a_{4n+1})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1} - a_n)$, so it has to converge to $0$ as well. Does that help?






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                              • $begingroup$
                                So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                              • $begingroup$
                                Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
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                                – platty
                                Nov 29 '18 at 23:46














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                              By the same technique you used, $(a_{4n+2} - a_{4n+1})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1} - a_n)$, so it has to converge to $0$ as well. Does that help?






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                              By the same technique you used, $(a_{4n+2} - a_{4n+1})$ is a subsequence of $(a_{n+1} - a_n)$, so it has to converge to $0$ as well. Does that help?







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                              • $begingroup$
                                So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                                – matematiccc
                                Nov 29 '18 at 23:45












                              • $begingroup$
                                Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
                                $endgroup$
                                – platty
                                Nov 29 '18 at 23:46


















                              • $begingroup$
                                So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                                – matematiccc
                                Nov 29 '18 at 23:45












                              • $begingroup$
                                Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
                                $endgroup$
                                – platty
                                Nov 29 '18 at 23:46
















                              $begingroup$
                              So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                              – matematiccc
                              Nov 29 '18 at 23:45






                              $begingroup$
                              So $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+1}=lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+2}+lim limits_{n to infty } a_{4n+3}$, and from this, it equals $lim limits_{n to infty } a_{n}$ so $ a_n $ converges, true?
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                              – matematiccc
                              Nov 29 '18 at 23:45














                              $begingroup$
                              Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
                              $endgroup$
                              – platty
                              Nov 29 '18 at 23:46




                              $begingroup$
                              Yep (to be precise, you may want to break it down into $epsilon$ and $N$, but that's the basic idea).
                              $endgroup$
                              – platty
                              Nov 29 '18 at 23:46


















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