Definition of the ring of differentiable maps $C^infty(M)$, where $M$ is a differentiable manifold












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Let $M$ be a differentiable manifold. We define the set $C^{infty}(M) := {f : M to mathbb{R} text{ differentiable}}$.



We can endow this set with a ring structure considering the common sum of functions:



$$(f+g)(p) := f(p)+g(p)$$



and the product (instead of the composition):



$$(fg)(p) := f(p)g(p)$$



So, the neutral element for $+$ is the constant map zero, and the neutral element for the product is the constant map $1$ or the identity map? (then is a domain?)



Or we consider $(C^{infty}(M),+,circ)$ with $circ$ the composition of differentiable maps?



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    How do you compose two maps from $M to mathbb R$? Both maps act on elements of $M$, not $mathbb R$. So composition is out of the question. The first notion is therefore the correct one.
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    – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
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    This is basically formalising the idea that the pointwise sum and product of any two $C^infty$ functions is again a $C^infty$ function.
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    Nov 28 '18 at 13:19
















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$begingroup$


Let $M$ be a differentiable manifold. We define the set $C^{infty}(M) := {f : M to mathbb{R} text{ differentiable}}$.



We can endow this set with a ring structure considering the common sum of functions:



$$(f+g)(p) := f(p)+g(p)$$



and the product (instead of the composition):



$$(fg)(p) := f(p)g(p)$$



So, the neutral element for $+$ is the constant map zero, and the neutral element for the product is the constant map $1$ or the identity map? (then is a domain?)



Or we consider $(C^{infty}(M),+,circ)$ with $circ$ the composition of differentiable maps?



Thanks.






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    $begingroup$
    How do you compose two maps from $M to mathbb R$? Both maps act on elements of $M$, not $mathbb R$. So composition is out of the question. The first notion is therefore the correct one.
    $endgroup$
    – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
    Nov 28 '18 at 12:52






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is basically formalising the idea that the pointwise sum and product of any two $C^infty$ functions is again a $C^infty$ function.
    $endgroup$
    – gandalf61
    Nov 28 '18 at 13:19














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$begingroup$


Let $M$ be a differentiable manifold. We define the set $C^{infty}(M) := {f : M to mathbb{R} text{ differentiable}}$.



We can endow this set with a ring structure considering the common sum of functions:



$$(f+g)(p) := f(p)+g(p)$$



and the product (instead of the composition):



$$(fg)(p) := f(p)g(p)$$



So, the neutral element for $+$ is the constant map zero, and the neutral element for the product is the constant map $1$ or the identity map? (then is a domain?)



Or we consider $(C^{infty}(M),+,circ)$ with $circ$ the composition of differentiable maps?



Thanks.






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Let $M$ be a differentiable manifold. We define the set $C^{infty}(M) := {f : M to mathbb{R} text{ differentiable}}$.



We can endow this set with a ring structure considering the common sum of functions:



$$(f+g)(p) := f(p)+g(p)$$



and the product (instead of the composition):



$$(fg)(p) := f(p)g(p)$$



So, the neutral element for $+$ is the constant map zero, and the neutral element for the product is the constant map $1$ or the identity map? (then is a domain?)



Or we consider $(C^{infty}(M),+,circ)$ with $circ$ the composition of differentiable maps?



Thanks.






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    $begingroup$
    How do you compose two maps from $M to mathbb R$? Both maps act on elements of $M$, not $mathbb R$. So composition is out of the question. The first notion is therefore the correct one.
    $endgroup$
    – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
    Nov 28 '18 at 12:52






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is basically formalising the idea that the pointwise sum and product of any two $C^infty$ functions is again a $C^infty$ function.
    $endgroup$
    – gandalf61
    Nov 28 '18 at 13:19














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    How do you compose two maps from $M to mathbb R$? Both maps act on elements of $M$, not $mathbb R$. So composition is out of the question. The first notion is therefore the correct one.
    $endgroup$
    – астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
    Nov 28 '18 at 12:52






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is basically formalising the idea that the pointwise sum and product of any two $C^infty$ functions is again a $C^infty$ function.
    $endgroup$
    – gandalf61
    Nov 28 '18 at 13:19








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$begingroup$
How do you compose two maps from $M to mathbb R$? Both maps act on elements of $M$, not $mathbb R$. So composition is out of the question. The first notion is therefore the correct one.
$endgroup$
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 28 '18 at 12:52




$begingroup$
How do you compose two maps from $M to mathbb R$? Both maps act on elements of $M$, not $mathbb R$. So composition is out of the question. The first notion is therefore the correct one.
$endgroup$
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 28 '18 at 12:52




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$begingroup$
This is basically formalising the idea that the pointwise sum and product of any two $C^infty$ functions is again a $C^infty$ function.
$endgroup$
– gandalf61
Nov 28 '18 at 13:19




$begingroup$
This is basically formalising the idea that the pointwise sum and product of any two $C^infty$ functions is again a $C^infty$ function.
$endgroup$
– gandalf61
Nov 28 '18 at 13:19










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$M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, so the "identity map" does not make sense unless $M$ itself is $mathbb{R}$. So, the multiplicative identity is the constant map $1$.



Again, since $M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, composition does not necessarily make sense. It only makes sense if $M = mathbb{R}$. So, composition cannot in general define a multiplication on $C^infty(M)$.



The question




(then is a domain?)




does not make sense to me. Are you perhaps asking if $C^infty(M)$ is an integral domain? If so, the answer is no, and it is a good exercise to find two nonzero smooth functions on $M$ whose product is the zero function.






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    It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
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    – user540275
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:26










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    @user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
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$M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, so the "identity map" does not make sense unless $M$ itself is $mathbb{R}$. So, the multiplicative identity is the constant map $1$.



Again, since $M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, composition does not necessarily make sense. It only makes sense if $M = mathbb{R}$. So, composition cannot in general define a multiplication on $C^infty(M)$.



The question




(then is a domain?)




does not make sense to me. Are you perhaps asking if $C^infty(M)$ is an integral domain? If so, the answer is no, and it is a good exercise to find two nonzero smooth functions on $M$ whose product is the zero function.






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    It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
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    – user540275
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:26










  • $begingroup$
    @user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
    $endgroup$
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    Nov 28 '18 at 16:45


















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$begingroup$

$M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, so the "identity map" does not make sense unless $M$ itself is $mathbb{R}$. So, the multiplicative identity is the constant map $1$.



Again, since $M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, composition does not necessarily make sense. It only makes sense if $M = mathbb{R}$. So, composition cannot in general define a multiplication on $C^infty(M)$.



The question




(then is a domain?)




does not make sense to me. Are you perhaps asking if $C^infty(M)$ is an integral domain? If so, the answer is no, and it is a good exercise to find two nonzero smooth functions on $M$ whose product is the zero function.






share|cite|improve this answer









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  • $begingroup$
    It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
    $endgroup$
    – user540275
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:26










  • $begingroup$
    @user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
    $endgroup$
    – Brahadeesh
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:45
















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$begingroup$

$M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, so the "identity map" does not make sense unless $M$ itself is $mathbb{R}$. So, the multiplicative identity is the constant map $1$.



Again, since $M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, composition does not necessarily make sense. It only makes sense if $M = mathbb{R}$. So, composition cannot in general define a multiplication on $C^infty(M)$.



The question




(then is a domain?)




does not make sense to me. Are you perhaps asking if $C^infty(M)$ is an integral domain? If so, the answer is no, and it is a good exercise to find two nonzero smooth functions on $M$ whose product is the zero function.






share|cite|improve this answer









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$M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, so the "identity map" does not make sense unless $M$ itself is $mathbb{R}$. So, the multiplicative identity is the constant map $1$.



Again, since $M$ is an arbitrary differentiable manifold, composition does not necessarily make sense. It only makes sense if $M = mathbb{R}$. So, composition cannot in general define a multiplication on $C^infty(M)$.



The question




(then is a domain?)




does not make sense to me. Are you perhaps asking if $C^infty(M)$ is an integral domain? If so, the answer is no, and it is a good exercise to find two nonzero smooth functions on $M$ whose product is the zero function.







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    It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
    $endgroup$
    – user540275
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:26










  • $begingroup$
    @user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
    $endgroup$
    – Brahadeesh
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:45




















  • $begingroup$
    It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
    $endgroup$
    – user540275
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:26










  • $begingroup$
    @user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
    $endgroup$
    – Brahadeesh
    Nov 28 '18 at 16:45


















$begingroup$
It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
$endgroup$
– user540275
Nov 28 '18 at 16:26




$begingroup$
It´s not integral domain because for $f,g$ defined as $f(x)=0, x <0$ and $f(x)=sin(x),x leq 0$; $g(x)=sin(x),x < 0$ and $g(x)=0, x geq 0$ we get $f(x)g(x)=0$ but $f,g$ are non-zero functions, right?
$endgroup$
– user540275
Nov 28 '18 at 16:26












$begingroup$
@user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
$endgroup$
– Brahadeesh
Nov 28 '18 at 16:45






$begingroup$
@user540275 There are two problems with your example. The first is that it is specialised to the case $M = mathbb{R}$. It would be better to produce an example for the case of an arbitrary differentiable manifold rather than only for $mathbb{R}$. Secondly, the functions $f$ and $g$ are not differentiable at $0$, they are only continuous at $0$. But the idea is more or less accurate. Try $f(x) = e^{-x^{-2}}$ for $x > 0$ and $f(x) = 0$ for $x leq 0$, and $g(x)$ appropriately as you had done. Then try to see if the same example generalises to an arbitrary manifold $M$.
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