Is Kalki an avatar of Vishnu?
Is Kalki an avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu or Siva? Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
I'm in doubt because persons in Mahabharata like Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction. Since Kalki is responsible for the destruction in Kaliyuga, I am suspecting that he is an avatar of Siva.
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Is Kalki an avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu or Siva? Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
I'm in doubt because persons in Mahabharata like Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction. Since Kalki is responsible for the destruction in Kaliyuga, I am suspecting that he is an avatar of Siva.
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he is sakty-avesa avatar which means he is a living entity(jiva) and lord vishnu empowers him. I will write answer when I find time and if no body answers this by then. Scriptures clearly declare kalki to be vishnu's incarantion. He is to be considered vishnu avatar like parasurama. See details about parasurama here.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21040/…
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 7:38
Please provide a reference to point out that is he is considered as an avatar of destruction. To my knowledge, Kalki's purpose is exactly what Krishna says in Gita... paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapana... That isn't exactly destruction.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:14
Isn't it destruction to preserve dharma? @Ambi
– hanugm
Nov 30 at 8:17
I am just differentiating between calling someone as "avatar of destruction" and one who has destruction of adharma as one of the avatara purpose. There are several other questions on Kalki which give more detailed answers and clearly show Kalki is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. This question should be duplicate, technically, but since you bring a new dimension to it relating to Lord Shiva, I am not marking it as such myself.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:22
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Many Vishnu avtaras are associated with destruction...for ex Parasurama destroyed evil Kshatriyas 21 times...and other avtaras too did some kind of destruction... Rama destroyed 14000 Rakshasas in very less time then destroyed Ravana & many others... Krishna, Varaha, Nrisimha destroyed evils...same way Kalki will destroy evils...
– YDS
Nov 30 at 14:53
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Is Kalki an avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu or Siva? Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
I'm in doubt because persons in Mahabharata like Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction. Since Kalki is responsible for the destruction in Kaliyuga, I am suspecting that he is an avatar of Siva.
vishnu avatars kali-yuga kalki
Is Kalki an avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu or Siva? Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
I'm in doubt because persons in Mahabharata like Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction. Since Kalki is responsible for the destruction in Kaliyuga, I am suspecting that he is an avatar of Siva.
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he is sakty-avesa avatar which means he is a living entity(jiva) and lord vishnu empowers him. I will write answer when I find time and if no body answers this by then. Scriptures clearly declare kalki to be vishnu's incarantion. He is to be considered vishnu avatar like parasurama. See details about parasurama here.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21040/…
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 7:38
Please provide a reference to point out that is he is considered as an avatar of destruction. To my knowledge, Kalki's purpose is exactly what Krishna says in Gita... paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapana... That isn't exactly destruction.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:14
Isn't it destruction to preserve dharma? @Ambi
– hanugm
Nov 30 at 8:17
I am just differentiating between calling someone as "avatar of destruction" and one who has destruction of adharma as one of the avatara purpose. There are several other questions on Kalki which give more detailed answers and clearly show Kalki is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. This question should be duplicate, technically, but since you bring a new dimension to it relating to Lord Shiva, I am not marking it as such myself.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:22
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Many Vishnu avtaras are associated with destruction...for ex Parasurama destroyed evil Kshatriyas 21 times...and other avtaras too did some kind of destruction... Rama destroyed 14000 Rakshasas in very less time then destroyed Ravana & many others... Krishna, Varaha, Nrisimha destroyed evils...same way Kalki will destroy evils...
– YDS
Nov 30 at 14:53
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he is sakty-avesa avatar which means he is a living entity(jiva) and lord vishnu empowers him. I will write answer when I find time and if no body answers this by then. Scriptures clearly declare kalki to be vishnu's incarantion. He is to be considered vishnu avatar like parasurama. See details about parasurama here.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21040/…
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 7:38
Please provide a reference to point out that is he is considered as an avatar of destruction. To my knowledge, Kalki's purpose is exactly what Krishna says in Gita... paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapana... That isn't exactly destruction.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:14
Isn't it destruction to preserve dharma? @Ambi
– hanugm
Nov 30 at 8:17
I am just differentiating between calling someone as "avatar of destruction" and one who has destruction of adharma as one of the avatara purpose. There are several other questions on Kalki which give more detailed answers and clearly show Kalki is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. This question should be duplicate, technically, but since you bring a new dimension to it relating to Lord Shiva, I am not marking it as such myself.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:22
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Many Vishnu avtaras are associated with destruction...for ex Parasurama destroyed evil Kshatriyas 21 times...and other avtaras too did some kind of destruction... Rama destroyed 14000 Rakshasas in very less time then destroyed Ravana & many others... Krishna, Varaha, Nrisimha destroyed evils...same way Kalki will destroy evils...
– YDS
Nov 30 at 14:53
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he is sakty-avesa avatar which means he is a living entity(jiva) and lord vishnu empowers him. I will write answer when I find time and if no body answers this by then. Scriptures clearly declare kalki to be vishnu's incarantion. He is to be considered vishnu avatar like parasurama. See details about parasurama here.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21040/…
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 7:38
he is sakty-avesa avatar which means he is a living entity(jiva) and lord vishnu empowers him. I will write answer when I find time and if no body answers this by then. Scriptures clearly declare kalki to be vishnu's incarantion. He is to be considered vishnu avatar like parasurama. See details about parasurama here.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21040/…
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 7:38
Please provide a reference to point out that is he is considered as an avatar of destruction. To my knowledge, Kalki's purpose is exactly what Krishna says in Gita... paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapana... That isn't exactly destruction.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:14
Please provide a reference to point out that is he is considered as an avatar of destruction. To my knowledge, Kalki's purpose is exactly what Krishna says in Gita... paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapana... That isn't exactly destruction.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:14
Isn't it destruction to preserve dharma? @Ambi
– hanugm
Nov 30 at 8:17
Isn't it destruction to preserve dharma? @Ambi
– hanugm
Nov 30 at 8:17
I am just differentiating between calling someone as "avatar of destruction" and one who has destruction of adharma as one of the avatara purpose. There are several other questions on Kalki which give more detailed answers and clearly show Kalki is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. This question should be duplicate, technically, but since you bring a new dimension to it relating to Lord Shiva, I am not marking it as such myself.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:22
I am just differentiating between calling someone as "avatar of destruction" and one who has destruction of adharma as one of the avatara purpose. There are several other questions on Kalki which give more detailed answers and clearly show Kalki is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. This question should be duplicate, technically, but since you bring a new dimension to it relating to Lord Shiva, I am not marking it as such myself.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:22
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Many Vishnu avtaras are associated with destruction...for ex Parasurama destroyed evil Kshatriyas 21 times...and other avtaras too did some kind of destruction... Rama destroyed 14000 Rakshasas in very less time then destroyed Ravana & many others... Krishna, Varaha, Nrisimha destroyed evils...same way Kalki will destroy evils...
– YDS
Nov 30 at 14:53
Many Vishnu avtaras are associated with destruction...for ex Parasurama destroyed evil Kshatriyas 21 times...and other avtaras too did some kind of destruction... Rama destroyed 14000 Rakshasas in very less time then destroyed Ravana & many others... Krishna, Varaha, Nrisimha destroyed evils...same way Kalki will destroy evils...
– YDS
Nov 30 at 14:53
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Kalki avatar is an avatar of Lord Vishnu only. There is no doubt in this.
It has been prophesied in many puranas that Lord Vishnu will incarnate to remove evil from Kaliyuga therefore restoring dharma again.
In this Kali Yuga itself, when the junction period is yet to lapse, the lord will be born under the name of Kalki and Viṣṇu Yaśā. He will be born in the family of Parashara and have great exploits. [Brahmanda Purana Upodhgata Parva Chapter 73 verse 104].
Above verse is talking about Lord Vishnu and his avataras in different manvantaras.
From Bhagavata Purana:
carācara-guror viṣṇor
īśvarasyākhilātmanaḥ
dharma-trāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
janma karmāpanuttaye
Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work. [SB 12.2.17]
Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.[SB 12.2.18]
There are many other references in puranas and in the Mahabharata it is said that Lord Vishnu incarnates in the sandhi period of Kaliyuga and establishes the conditions of Kruta Yuga. There are stotras found in the puranas which include Kalki in Dashavatara (tem important incarnations) list.
Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction.
Arjuna caused more destruction than both these. On 14th day of Kurukshetra alone, Arjuna killed an akshauhini while searching for Jayadhratha. Bhishma killed many soldiers in the Pandava side that Yudhishtira was scared and thought they would lose the war if Bhishma continued to fight till the last day. So, these were also responsible for destruction. But these are not avatars of Lord Shiva. If we look into Mahabharata in critical way, many characters like Karna, Drona can be made the responsibility for the great Kurukshetra war. These are not avatars of Lord Shiva. So, the logic saying Kalki being avatar of Shiva because he will kill evil people doesn;t work.
Lord Vishnu takes birth out of his own will to bring back dharma and remove adharma time to time. From Bhagavad Gita 4.7
yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānaḿ sṛjāmy aham
paritrāṇāya sādhūnāḿ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saḿsthāpanārthāya sambhavāmi yuge yuge
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.
To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.
[The translator used religious but the word is Dharma and it is untranslatable]
Hence, there is no doubt that Kalki is Lord Vishnu's avatar.
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Since Sarvabhouma has already answered that he is an incarnation of Vishnu, I will just answer this part:
Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
Amsa avatar are avatars like Matsya, Kurma which come under vishnu-tattva. Kalki is neither.
Kalki is a saktavesha avatar as per Vishnu Dharma Purana which means he is a jiva (living entity) empowered by Vishnu's power to perform certain tasks like Parasurama as I answered here.
I don't have an English copy of Vishnu Dharma Purana and just have a Sanskrit text which is in Devanagari and thus can't be searched.
The verses below are from Vishnu-dharma Purana quoted in Anuccheda 25 in Krishna-sandarbha by Jiva Goswami.
pratyaksha-rupa-drig devo
drishyate na kalau harih kritadishv eva tenaisha
triyugah paripaöhyate kaler ante ca samprapte
kalkinam brahma-vadinam anupravishya kurute
vasudevo jagat-sthitim purvotpanneshu bhuteshu
teshu teshu kalau prabhuh kritva pravesham kurute
yad abhipretam atmanah iti.
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Hari, does not personally appear in the Kali-yuga. Because He only appears in the Satya, Treta, and Dvapara-yugas, and not in the Kali-yuga, the scriptures call Him Triyuga (He who appears in three yugas). At the end of Kali-yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, enters the body of the learned brahmana Kalki and gives him extraordinary powers. Through the agency of Kalki, the Supreme Lord restores the universe to an auspicious condition. The Supreme Personality of Godhead then enters the hearts of all the great sages who were born before the Kali-yuga and grants extraordinary powers to them. In this way the Lord executes His purpose at the end of the Kali-yuga."
"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
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Kalki avatar is an avatar of Lord Vishnu only. There is no doubt in this.
It has been prophesied in many puranas that Lord Vishnu will incarnate to remove evil from Kaliyuga therefore restoring dharma again.
In this Kali Yuga itself, when the junction period is yet to lapse, the lord will be born under the name of Kalki and Viṣṇu Yaśā. He will be born in the family of Parashara and have great exploits. [Brahmanda Purana Upodhgata Parva Chapter 73 verse 104].
Above verse is talking about Lord Vishnu and his avataras in different manvantaras.
From Bhagavata Purana:
carācara-guror viṣṇor
īśvarasyākhilātmanaḥ
dharma-trāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
janma karmāpanuttaye
Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work. [SB 12.2.17]
Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.[SB 12.2.18]
There are many other references in puranas and in the Mahabharata it is said that Lord Vishnu incarnates in the sandhi period of Kaliyuga and establishes the conditions of Kruta Yuga. There are stotras found in the puranas which include Kalki in Dashavatara (tem important incarnations) list.
Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction.
Arjuna caused more destruction than both these. On 14th day of Kurukshetra alone, Arjuna killed an akshauhini while searching for Jayadhratha. Bhishma killed many soldiers in the Pandava side that Yudhishtira was scared and thought they would lose the war if Bhishma continued to fight till the last day. So, these were also responsible for destruction. But these are not avatars of Lord Shiva. If we look into Mahabharata in critical way, many characters like Karna, Drona can be made the responsibility for the great Kurukshetra war. These are not avatars of Lord Shiva. So, the logic saying Kalki being avatar of Shiva because he will kill evil people doesn;t work.
Lord Vishnu takes birth out of his own will to bring back dharma and remove adharma time to time. From Bhagavad Gita 4.7
yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānaḿ sṛjāmy aham
paritrāṇāya sādhūnāḿ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saḿsthāpanārthāya sambhavāmi yuge yuge
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.
To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.
[The translator used religious but the word is Dharma and it is untranslatable]
Hence, there is no doubt that Kalki is Lord Vishnu's avatar.
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Kalki avatar is an avatar of Lord Vishnu only. There is no doubt in this.
It has been prophesied in many puranas that Lord Vishnu will incarnate to remove evil from Kaliyuga therefore restoring dharma again.
In this Kali Yuga itself, when the junction period is yet to lapse, the lord will be born under the name of Kalki and Viṣṇu Yaśā. He will be born in the family of Parashara and have great exploits. [Brahmanda Purana Upodhgata Parva Chapter 73 verse 104].
Above verse is talking about Lord Vishnu and his avataras in different manvantaras.
From Bhagavata Purana:
carācara-guror viṣṇor
īśvarasyākhilātmanaḥ
dharma-trāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
janma karmāpanuttaye
Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work. [SB 12.2.17]
Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.[SB 12.2.18]
There are many other references in puranas and in the Mahabharata it is said that Lord Vishnu incarnates in the sandhi period of Kaliyuga and establishes the conditions of Kruta Yuga. There are stotras found in the puranas which include Kalki in Dashavatara (tem important incarnations) list.
Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction.
Arjuna caused more destruction than both these. On 14th day of Kurukshetra alone, Arjuna killed an akshauhini while searching for Jayadhratha. Bhishma killed many soldiers in the Pandava side that Yudhishtira was scared and thought they would lose the war if Bhishma continued to fight till the last day. So, these were also responsible for destruction. But these are not avatars of Lord Shiva. If we look into Mahabharata in critical way, many characters like Karna, Drona can be made the responsibility for the great Kurukshetra war. These are not avatars of Lord Shiva. So, the logic saying Kalki being avatar of Shiva because he will kill evil people doesn;t work.
Lord Vishnu takes birth out of his own will to bring back dharma and remove adharma time to time. From Bhagavad Gita 4.7
yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānaḿ sṛjāmy aham
paritrāṇāya sādhūnāḿ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saḿsthāpanārthāya sambhavāmi yuge yuge
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.
To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.
[The translator used religious but the word is Dharma and it is untranslatable]
Hence, there is no doubt that Kalki is Lord Vishnu's avatar.
add a comment |
Kalki avatar is an avatar of Lord Vishnu only. There is no doubt in this.
It has been prophesied in many puranas that Lord Vishnu will incarnate to remove evil from Kaliyuga therefore restoring dharma again.
In this Kali Yuga itself, when the junction period is yet to lapse, the lord will be born under the name of Kalki and Viṣṇu Yaśā. He will be born in the family of Parashara and have great exploits. [Brahmanda Purana Upodhgata Parva Chapter 73 verse 104].
Above verse is talking about Lord Vishnu and his avataras in different manvantaras.
From Bhagavata Purana:
carācara-guror viṣṇor
īśvarasyākhilātmanaḥ
dharma-trāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
janma karmāpanuttaye
Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work. [SB 12.2.17]
Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.[SB 12.2.18]
There are many other references in puranas and in the Mahabharata it is said that Lord Vishnu incarnates in the sandhi period of Kaliyuga and establishes the conditions of Kruta Yuga. There are stotras found in the puranas which include Kalki in Dashavatara (tem important incarnations) list.
Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction.
Arjuna caused more destruction than both these. On 14th day of Kurukshetra alone, Arjuna killed an akshauhini while searching for Jayadhratha. Bhishma killed many soldiers in the Pandava side that Yudhishtira was scared and thought they would lose the war if Bhishma continued to fight till the last day. So, these were also responsible for destruction. But these are not avatars of Lord Shiva. If we look into Mahabharata in critical way, many characters like Karna, Drona can be made the responsibility for the great Kurukshetra war. These are not avatars of Lord Shiva. So, the logic saying Kalki being avatar of Shiva because he will kill evil people doesn;t work.
Lord Vishnu takes birth out of his own will to bring back dharma and remove adharma time to time. From Bhagavad Gita 4.7
yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānaḿ sṛjāmy aham
paritrāṇāya sādhūnāḿ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saḿsthāpanārthāya sambhavāmi yuge yuge
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.
To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.
[The translator used religious but the word is Dharma and it is untranslatable]
Hence, there is no doubt that Kalki is Lord Vishnu's avatar.
Kalki avatar is an avatar of Lord Vishnu only. There is no doubt in this.
It has been prophesied in many puranas that Lord Vishnu will incarnate to remove evil from Kaliyuga therefore restoring dharma again.
In this Kali Yuga itself, when the junction period is yet to lapse, the lord will be born under the name of Kalki and Viṣṇu Yaśā. He will be born in the family of Parashara and have great exploits. [Brahmanda Purana Upodhgata Parva Chapter 73 verse 104].
Above verse is talking about Lord Vishnu and his avataras in different manvantaras.
From Bhagavata Purana:
carācara-guror viṣṇor
īśvarasyākhilātmanaḥ
dharma-trāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
janma karmāpanuttaye
Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work. [SB 12.2.17]
Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.[SB 12.2.18]
There are many other references in puranas and in the Mahabharata it is said that Lord Vishnu incarnates in the sandhi period of Kaliyuga and establishes the conditions of Kruta Yuga. There are stotras found in the puranas which include Kalki in Dashavatara (tem important incarnations) list.
Ashwathama, Samba etc., are ansa-avatars of Siva and are responsible for the destruction.
Arjuna caused more destruction than both these. On 14th day of Kurukshetra alone, Arjuna killed an akshauhini while searching for Jayadhratha. Bhishma killed many soldiers in the Pandava side that Yudhishtira was scared and thought they would lose the war if Bhishma continued to fight till the last day. So, these were also responsible for destruction. But these are not avatars of Lord Shiva. If we look into Mahabharata in critical way, many characters like Karna, Drona can be made the responsibility for the great Kurukshetra war. These are not avatars of Lord Shiva. So, the logic saying Kalki being avatar of Shiva because he will kill evil people doesn;t work.
Lord Vishnu takes birth out of his own will to bring back dharma and remove adharma time to time. From Bhagavad Gita 4.7
yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānaḿ sṛjāmy aham
paritrāṇāya sādhūnāḿ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saḿsthāpanārthāya sambhavāmi yuge yuge
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.
To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.
[The translator used religious but the word is Dharma and it is untranslatable]
Hence, there is no doubt that Kalki is Lord Vishnu's avatar.
answered Nov 30 at 9:32
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Since Sarvabhouma has already answered that he is an incarnation of Vishnu, I will just answer this part:
Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
Amsa avatar are avatars like Matsya, Kurma which come under vishnu-tattva. Kalki is neither.
Kalki is a saktavesha avatar as per Vishnu Dharma Purana which means he is a jiva (living entity) empowered by Vishnu's power to perform certain tasks like Parasurama as I answered here.
I don't have an English copy of Vishnu Dharma Purana and just have a Sanskrit text which is in Devanagari and thus can't be searched.
The verses below are from Vishnu-dharma Purana quoted in Anuccheda 25 in Krishna-sandarbha by Jiva Goswami.
pratyaksha-rupa-drig devo
drishyate na kalau harih kritadishv eva tenaisha
triyugah paripaöhyate kaler ante ca samprapte
kalkinam brahma-vadinam anupravishya kurute
vasudevo jagat-sthitim purvotpanneshu bhuteshu
teshu teshu kalau prabhuh kritva pravesham kurute
yad abhipretam atmanah iti.
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Hari, does not personally appear in the Kali-yuga. Because He only appears in the Satya, Treta, and Dvapara-yugas, and not in the Kali-yuga, the scriptures call Him Triyuga (He who appears in three yugas). At the end of Kali-yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, enters the body of the learned brahmana Kalki and gives him extraordinary powers. Through the agency of Kalki, the Supreme Lord restores the universe to an auspicious condition. The Supreme Personality of Godhead then enters the hearts of all the great sages who were born before the Kali-yuga and grants extraordinary powers to them. In this way the Lord executes His purpose at the end of the Kali-yuga."
"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
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Since Sarvabhouma has already answered that he is an incarnation of Vishnu, I will just answer this part:
Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
Amsa avatar are avatars like Matsya, Kurma which come under vishnu-tattva. Kalki is neither.
Kalki is a saktavesha avatar as per Vishnu Dharma Purana which means he is a jiva (living entity) empowered by Vishnu's power to perform certain tasks like Parasurama as I answered here.
I don't have an English copy of Vishnu Dharma Purana and just have a Sanskrit text which is in Devanagari and thus can't be searched.
The verses below are from Vishnu-dharma Purana quoted in Anuccheda 25 in Krishna-sandarbha by Jiva Goswami.
pratyaksha-rupa-drig devo
drishyate na kalau harih kritadishv eva tenaisha
triyugah paripaöhyate kaler ante ca samprapte
kalkinam brahma-vadinam anupravishya kurute
vasudevo jagat-sthitim purvotpanneshu bhuteshu
teshu teshu kalau prabhuh kritva pravesham kurute
yad abhipretam atmanah iti.
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Hari, does not personally appear in the Kali-yuga. Because He only appears in the Satya, Treta, and Dvapara-yugas, and not in the Kali-yuga, the scriptures call Him Triyuga (He who appears in three yugas). At the end of Kali-yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, enters the body of the learned brahmana Kalki and gives him extraordinary powers. Through the agency of Kalki, the Supreme Lord restores the universe to an auspicious condition. The Supreme Personality of Godhead then enters the hearts of all the great sages who were born before the Kali-yuga and grants extraordinary powers to them. In this way the Lord executes His purpose at the end of the Kali-yuga."
"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
add a comment |
Since Sarvabhouma has already answered that he is an incarnation of Vishnu, I will just answer this part:
Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
Amsa avatar are avatars like Matsya, Kurma which come under vishnu-tattva. Kalki is neither.
Kalki is a saktavesha avatar as per Vishnu Dharma Purana which means he is a jiva (living entity) empowered by Vishnu's power to perform certain tasks like Parasurama as I answered here.
I don't have an English copy of Vishnu Dharma Purana and just have a Sanskrit text which is in Devanagari and thus can't be searched.
The verses below are from Vishnu-dharma Purana quoted in Anuccheda 25 in Krishna-sandarbha by Jiva Goswami.
pratyaksha-rupa-drig devo
drishyate na kalau harih kritadishv eva tenaisha
triyugah paripaöhyate kaler ante ca samprapte
kalkinam brahma-vadinam anupravishya kurute
vasudevo jagat-sthitim purvotpanneshu bhuteshu
teshu teshu kalau prabhuh kritva pravesham kurute
yad abhipretam atmanah iti.
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Hari, does not personally appear in the Kali-yuga. Because He only appears in the Satya, Treta, and Dvapara-yugas, and not in the Kali-yuga, the scriptures call Him Triyuga (He who appears in three yugas). At the end of Kali-yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, enters the body of the learned brahmana Kalki and gives him extraordinary powers. Through the agency of Kalki, the Supreme Lord restores the universe to an auspicious condition. The Supreme Personality of Godhead then enters the hearts of all the great sages who were born before the Kali-yuga and grants extraordinary powers to them. In this way the Lord executes His purpose at the end of the Kali-yuga."
Since Sarvabhouma has already answered that he is an incarnation of Vishnu, I will just answer this part:
Is he a purn-avatar (full incarnation) or ansa-avatar (partial incarnation)?
Amsa avatar are avatars like Matsya, Kurma which come under vishnu-tattva. Kalki is neither.
Kalki is a saktavesha avatar as per Vishnu Dharma Purana which means he is a jiva (living entity) empowered by Vishnu's power to perform certain tasks like Parasurama as I answered here.
I don't have an English copy of Vishnu Dharma Purana and just have a Sanskrit text which is in Devanagari and thus can't be searched.
The verses below are from Vishnu-dharma Purana quoted in Anuccheda 25 in Krishna-sandarbha by Jiva Goswami.
pratyaksha-rupa-drig devo
drishyate na kalau harih kritadishv eva tenaisha
triyugah paripaöhyate kaler ante ca samprapte
kalkinam brahma-vadinam anupravishya kurute
vasudevo jagat-sthitim purvotpanneshu bhuteshu
teshu teshu kalau prabhuh kritva pravesham kurute
yad abhipretam atmanah iti.
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Hari, does not personally appear in the Kali-yuga. Because He only appears in the Satya, Treta, and Dvapara-yugas, and not in the Kali-yuga, the scriptures call Him Triyuga (He who appears in three yugas). At the end of Kali-yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, enters the body of the learned brahmana Kalki and gives him extraordinary powers. Through the agency of Kalki, the Supreme Lord restores the universe to an auspicious condition. The Supreme Personality of Godhead then enters the hearts of all the great sages who were born before the Kali-yuga and grants extraordinary powers to them. In this way the Lord executes His purpose at the end of the Kali-yuga."
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"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
add a comment |
"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
"tasks like Parasurama" This means Kalki will be only partial incarnation like Parshurama, not full incarnation like Raam/Krishna?
– Rishabh
Nov 30 at 17:07
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh Yes, not full incarnations. Kalki also can't be considered partial incarnations like Matsya, Kurma, Varaha etc.. It is separate class called saktyavesa avatara. Read my answer about Parasuram, you will know what I meant. Even Buddha is saktyavesha avatar.
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 17:47
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
@Rishabh I meant " to perform certain tasks" for eg "Parasurama"
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 18:30
add a comment |
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he is sakty-avesa avatar which means he is a living entity(jiva) and lord vishnu empowers him. I will write answer when I find time and if no body answers this by then. Scriptures clearly declare kalki to be vishnu's incarantion. He is to be considered vishnu avatar like parasurama. See details about parasurama here.. hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/21040/…
– RaRe
Nov 30 at 7:38
Please provide a reference to point out that is he is considered as an avatar of destruction. To my knowledge, Kalki's purpose is exactly what Krishna says in Gita... paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam dharma-samsthapana... That isn't exactly destruction.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:14
Isn't it destruction to preserve dharma? @Ambi
– hanugm
Nov 30 at 8:17
I am just differentiating between calling someone as "avatar of destruction" and one who has destruction of adharma as one of the avatara purpose. There are several other questions on Kalki which give more detailed answers and clearly show Kalki is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. This question should be duplicate, technically, but since you bring a new dimension to it relating to Lord Shiva, I am not marking it as such myself.
– Ambi
Nov 30 at 8:22
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Many Vishnu avtaras are associated with destruction...for ex Parasurama destroyed evil Kshatriyas 21 times...and other avtaras too did some kind of destruction... Rama destroyed 14000 Rakshasas in very less time then destroyed Ravana & many others... Krishna, Varaha, Nrisimha destroyed evils...same way Kalki will destroy evils...
– YDS
Nov 30 at 14:53