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Let $I,J$ be closed bounded intervals, and let $epsilon>0$ such that $l(I)> epsilon l(J)$. Assume that $I cap J neq emptyset,$ show that if $epsilongeq 1/2$, then $J subseteq 5 * I. $ Where $5* I$ denotes the interval with the samecenter as $I$ and five times its length. Is the same true if 0 < epsilon < 1/2?



My attempt:
Let $I=[a,b], J=[a,d]$ with $a,b,c,d$ are real numbers.
For $x in J$, we have $[c,x] subseteq J,$ so $1/2(x-c )leq epsilon (x-c) leq epsilon (d-c)<b-a $, so $x <frac{b+epsilon c}{epsilon}-frac{a}{epsilon}.$ I could not get more steps after this, so I would appreciate any comments or help with that, Thanks.










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  • As stated, the question is not true. Consider $I = J = [0,1]$. They clearly have non-empty intersection and $l(I) > l(J)/2$, but $5 cdot I = [5,10]$, and this does not contain $J$.
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  • But, $5 * I=[0,10]$, not $[5,10].$
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  • Whoops, I mistyped. It should be $I = J = [1,2]$
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 3:45










  • I have this question copied from H.L Royden's book.
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Let $I,J$ be closed bounded intervals, and let $epsilon>0$ such that $l(I)> epsilon l(J)$. Assume that $I cap J neq emptyset,$ show that if $epsilongeq 1/2$, then $J subseteq 5 * I. $ Where $5* I$ denotes the interval with the samecenter as $I$ and five times its length. Is the same true if 0 < epsilon < 1/2?



My attempt:
Let $I=[a,b], J=[a,d]$ with $a,b,c,d$ are real numbers.
For $x in J$, we have $[c,x] subseteq J,$ so $1/2(x-c )leq epsilon (x-c) leq epsilon (d-c)<b-a $, so $x <frac{b+epsilon c}{epsilon}-frac{a}{epsilon}.$ I could not get more steps after this, so I would appreciate any comments or help with that, Thanks.










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  • As stated, the question is not true. Consider $I = J = [0,1]$. They clearly have non-empty intersection and $l(I) > l(J)/2$, but $5 cdot I = [5,10]$, and this does not contain $J$.
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 1:45










  • But, $5 * I=[0,10]$, not $[5,10].$
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 1:54










  • Whoops, I mistyped. It should be $I = J = [1,2]$
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 3:45










  • I have this question copied from H.L Royden's book.
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 4:58






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Let $I,J$ be closed bounded intervals, and let $epsilon>0$ such that $l(I)> epsilon l(J)$. Assume that $I cap J neq emptyset,$ show that if $epsilongeq 1/2$, then $J subseteq 5 * I. $ Where $5* I$ denotes the interval with the samecenter as $I$ and five times its length. Is the same true if 0 < epsilon < 1/2?



My attempt:
Let $I=[a,b], J=[a,d]$ with $a,b,c,d$ are real numbers.
For $x in J$, we have $[c,x] subseteq J,$ so $1/2(x-c )leq epsilon (x-c) leq epsilon (d-c)<b-a $, so $x <frac{b+epsilon c}{epsilon}-frac{a}{epsilon}.$ I could not get more steps after this, so I would appreciate any comments or help with that, Thanks.










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Let $I,J$ be closed bounded intervals, and let $epsilon>0$ such that $l(I)> epsilon l(J)$. Assume that $I cap J neq emptyset,$ show that if $epsilongeq 1/2$, then $J subseteq 5 * I. $ Where $5* I$ denotes the interval with the samecenter as $I$ and five times its length. Is the same true if 0 < epsilon < 1/2?



My attempt:
Let $I=[a,b], J=[a,d]$ with $a,b,c,d$ are real numbers.
For $x in J$, we have $[c,x] subseteq J,$ so $1/2(x-c )leq epsilon (x-c) leq epsilon (d-c)<b-a $, so $x <frac{b+epsilon c}{epsilon}-frac{a}{epsilon}.$ I could not get more steps after this, so I would appreciate any comments or help with that, Thanks.







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  • As stated, the question is not true. Consider $I = J = [0,1]$. They clearly have non-empty intersection and $l(I) > l(J)/2$, but $5 cdot I = [5,10]$, and this does not contain $J$.
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 1:45










  • But, $5 * I=[0,10]$, not $[5,10].$
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 1:54










  • Whoops, I mistyped. It should be $I = J = [1,2]$
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 3:45










  • I have this question copied from H.L Royden's book.
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 4:58






  • 1




    You are right, I really apologize.
    – Ahmed
    Nov 13 at 0:24


















  • As stated, the question is not true. Consider $I = J = [0,1]$. They clearly have non-empty intersection and $l(I) > l(J)/2$, but $5 cdot I = [5,10]$, and this does not contain $J$.
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 1:45










  • But, $5 * I=[0,10]$, not $[5,10].$
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 1:54










  • Whoops, I mistyped. It should be $I = J = [1,2]$
    – Sambo
    Nov 12 at 3:45










  • I have this question copied from H.L Royden's book.
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 4:58






  • 1




    You are right, I really apologize.
    – Ahmed
    Nov 13 at 0:24
















As stated, the question is not true. Consider $I = J = [0,1]$. They clearly have non-empty intersection and $l(I) > l(J)/2$, but $5 cdot I = [5,10]$, and this does not contain $J$.
– Sambo
Nov 12 at 1:45




As stated, the question is not true. Consider $I = J = [0,1]$. They clearly have non-empty intersection and $l(I) > l(J)/2$, but $5 cdot I = [5,10]$, and this does not contain $J$.
– Sambo
Nov 12 at 1:45












But, $5 * I=[0,10]$, not $[5,10].$
– Ahmed
Nov 12 at 1:54




But, $5 * I=[0,10]$, not $[5,10].$
– Ahmed
Nov 12 at 1:54












Whoops, I mistyped. It should be $I = J = [1,2]$
– Sambo
Nov 12 at 3:45




Whoops, I mistyped. It should be $I = J = [1,2]$
– Sambo
Nov 12 at 3:45












I have this question copied from H.L Royden's book.
– Ahmed
Nov 12 at 4:58




I have this question copied from H.L Royden's book.
– Ahmed
Nov 12 at 4:58




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You are right, I really apologize.
– Ahmed
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You are right, I really apologize.
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It's simply not true. Consider $J=[0,2]$, $I=[1,3]$. As $ell(I)=ell(J)$ the condition $ell(I)>epsilon,ell(J)$ is fulfilled with $epsilon={3over4}>{1over2}$. But $J$ is not contained in $5*I=[5,15]$.



I suggest you check your source. Maybe your interpretation of $5*I$ is wrong.






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  • I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
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Assume that $I cap J= emptyset$ with $J,I$ are closed and bounded intervals, and let $gamma>0$ such that $l(I)>gamma. l(J)$. Let $y in J$, We have that $5*I=[x-frac{5}{2}l(I),x+frac{5}{2}l(I)]$ where $x$ is the center of $I$. To show that $y in 5 * I$, we will show that $|y-x|leq frac{5}{2} l(I).$ Since there exists $z in I cap J$, then by triangle inequality $$|y-x|leq |y+z|+|z-x|leq l(J)+l(I)<frac{1}{gamma}l(I)+frac{l(I)}{2}leq frac{5}{2}l(I)$$ for any $gamma geq 1/2,$ and we are done.
Now, consider $I=[0,1/2], J=[1/2,5]$. Clearly, $l(I)=1/2> gamma l(J)=gamma (4.5)$ where $gamma=1/10.$ We have that $5*I=[-1,frac{6}{4}]$, and clearly $J nsubseteq 5 *I $ since 4$notin J.$






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    It's simply not true. Consider $J=[0,2]$, $I=[1,3]$. As $ell(I)=ell(J)$ the condition $ell(I)>epsilon,ell(J)$ is fulfilled with $epsilon={3over4}>{1over2}$. But $J$ is not contained in $5*I=[5,15]$.



    I suggest you check your source. Maybe your interpretation of $5*I$ is wrong.






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    • I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
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    It's simply not true. Consider $J=[0,2]$, $I=[1,3]$. As $ell(I)=ell(J)$ the condition $ell(I)>epsilon,ell(J)$ is fulfilled with $epsilon={3over4}>{1over2}$. But $J$ is not contained in $5*I=[5,15]$.



    I suggest you check your source. Maybe your interpretation of $5*I$ is wrong.






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    • I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
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      Nov 12 at 11:31















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    It's simply not true. Consider $J=[0,2]$, $I=[1,3]$. As $ell(I)=ell(J)$ the condition $ell(I)>epsilon,ell(J)$ is fulfilled with $epsilon={3over4}>{1over2}$. But $J$ is not contained in $5*I=[5,15]$.



    I suggest you check your source. Maybe your interpretation of $5*I$ is wrong.






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    It's simply not true. Consider $J=[0,2]$, $I=[1,3]$. As $ell(I)=ell(J)$ the condition $ell(I)>epsilon,ell(J)$ is fulfilled with $epsilon={3over4}>{1over2}$. But $J$ is not contained in $5*I=[5,15]$.



    I suggest you check your source. Maybe your interpretation of $5*I$ is wrong.







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    • I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
      – Ahmed
      Nov 12 at 11:31




















    • I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
      – Ahmed
      Nov 12 at 11:31


















    I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 11:31






    I checked it, it is the same problem I copy from the book. Please note in your example that $l(I)leq epsilon l(J)$ for $epsilon geq 1$, and we need $l(I)>epsilon l(J)$
    – Ahmed
    Nov 12 at 11:31












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    Assume that $I cap J= emptyset$ with $J,I$ are closed and bounded intervals, and let $gamma>0$ such that $l(I)>gamma. l(J)$. Let $y in J$, We have that $5*I=[x-frac{5}{2}l(I),x+frac{5}{2}l(I)]$ where $x$ is the center of $I$. To show that $y in 5 * I$, we will show that $|y-x|leq frac{5}{2} l(I).$ Since there exists $z in I cap J$, then by triangle inequality $$|y-x|leq |y+z|+|z-x|leq l(J)+l(I)<frac{1}{gamma}l(I)+frac{l(I)}{2}leq frac{5}{2}l(I)$$ for any $gamma geq 1/2,$ and we are done.
    Now, consider $I=[0,1/2], J=[1/2,5]$. Clearly, $l(I)=1/2> gamma l(J)=gamma (4.5)$ where $gamma=1/10.$ We have that $5*I=[-1,frac{6}{4}]$, and clearly $J nsubseteq 5 *I $ since 4$notin J.$






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      Assume that $I cap J= emptyset$ with $J,I$ are closed and bounded intervals, and let $gamma>0$ such that $l(I)>gamma. l(J)$. Let $y in J$, We have that $5*I=[x-frac{5}{2}l(I),x+frac{5}{2}l(I)]$ where $x$ is the center of $I$. To show that $y in 5 * I$, we will show that $|y-x|leq frac{5}{2} l(I).$ Since there exists $z in I cap J$, then by triangle inequality $$|y-x|leq |y+z|+|z-x|leq l(J)+l(I)<frac{1}{gamma}l(I)+frac{l(I)}{2}leq frac{5}{2}l(I)$$ for any $gamma geq 1/2,$ and we are done.
      Now, consider $I=[0,1/2], J=[1/2,5]$. Clearly, $l(I)=1/2> gamma l(J)=gamma (4.5)$ where $gamma=1/10.$ We have that $5*I=[-1,frac{6}{4}]$, and clearly $J nsubseteq 5 *I $ since 4$notin J.$






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        Assume that $I cap J= emptyset$ with $J,I$ are closed and bounded intervals, and let $gamma>0$ such that $l(I)>gamma. l(J)$. Let $y in J$, We have that $5*I=[x-frac{5}{2}l(I),x+frac{5}{2}l(I)]$ where $x$ is the center of $I$. To show that $y in 5 * I$, we will show that $|y-x|leq frac{5}{2} l(I).$ Since there exists $z in I cap J$, then by triangle inequality $$|y-x|leq |y+z|+|z-x|leq l(J)+l(I)<frac{1}{gamma}l(I)+frac{l(I)}{2}leq frac{5}{2}l(I)$$ for any $gamma geq 1/2,$ and we are done.
        Now, consider $I=[0,1/2], J=[1/2,5]$. Clearly, $l(I)=1/2> gamma l(J)=gamma (4.5)$ where $gamma=1/10.$ We have that $5*I=[-1,frac{6}{4}]$, and clearly $J nsubseteq 5 *I $ since 4$notin J.$






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        Assume that $I cap J= emptyset$ with $J,I$ are closed and bounded intervals, and let $gamma>0$ such that $l(I)>gamma. l(J)$. Let $y in J$, We have that $5*I=[x-frac{5}{2}l(I),x+frac{5}{2}l(I)]$ where $x$ is the center of $I$. To show that $y in 5 * I$, we will show that $|y-x|leq frac{5}{2} l(I).$ Since there exists $z in I cap J$, then by triangle inequality $$|y-x|leq |y+z|+|z-x|leq l(J)+l(I)<frac{1}{gamma}l(I)+frac{l(I)}{2}leq frac{5}{2}l(I)$$ for any $gamma geq 1/2,$ and we are done.
        Now, consider $I=[0,1/2], J=[1/2,5]$. Clearly, $l(I)=1/2> gamma l(J)=gamma (4.5)$ where $gamma=1/10.$ We have that $5*I=[-1,frac{6}{4}]$, and clearly $J nsubseteq 5 *I $ since 4$notin J.$







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