If $f$ has Intermediate Value Property and is monotonic then $f$ is continous Proof Verification
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The orignal question is to prove that-"If $f$ has Intermediate Value Property and is monotonic then $f$ is continous"
I was looking for a proof and here is a proof by fellow mathematician.
An $epsilon,delta$-proof:
Let $x_0 in (a,b)$ be arbitrary and let $epsilon > 0$. Let $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$. Then the number $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$. By the intermediate value property, there exists then some $delta_1 > 0$ such that $f(x_0 + delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1$ (by the choice of $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$ we are guaranteed to stay within the domain of $f$). Similarly, let $s_2 = max(f(x_0)-epsilon/2, f(a))$ and find a $delta_2>0$ such that $f(x_0-delta_2) = f(x_0)-s_2$. Take $delta = min(delta_1,delta_2) > 0$.
Now consider the punctured neighbourhood $U_delta = {x in (a,b) : 0 < |x - x_0| < delta}$. Without loss of generality, we may assume that $f$ is increasing. Let $x in U_delta$ be arbitrary. If $x > x_0$ we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0) leq f(x) leq f(x_0+delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$. If $x < x_0$, we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0)-epsilon < f(x_0)-s_2 = f(x_0-delta_2) leq f(x) leq f(x_0)$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$.
You can work out the proof for the endpoints as an exercise!
I cannot understand why $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, If this is correct then $s_1<epsilon$
if $f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < f(b)$ then $s_1=f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < epsilon$
Hence $f(x_0)<epsilon$
What is wrong here.
Monotone and IVP
real-analysis continuity
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The orignal question is to prove that-"If $f$ has Intermediate Value Property and is monotonic then $f$ is continous"
I was looking for a proof and here is a proof by fellow mathematician.
An $epsilon,delta$-proof:
Let $x_0 in (a,b)$ be arbitrary and let $epsilon > 0$. Let $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$. Then the number $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$. By the intermediate value property, there exists then some $delta_1 > 0$ such that $f(x_0 + delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1$ (by the choice of $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$ we are guaranteed to stay within the domain of $f$). Similarly, let $s_2 = max(f(x_0)-epsilon/2, f(a))$ and find a $delta_2>0$ such that $f(x_0-delta_2) = f(x_0)-s_2$. Take $delta = min(delta_1,delta_2) > 0$.
Now consider the punctured neighbourhood $U_delta = {x in (a,b) : 0 < |x - x_0| < delta}$. Without loss of generality, we may assume that $f$ is increasing. Let $x in U_delta$ be arbitrary. If $x > x_0$ we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0) leq f(x) leq f(x_0+delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$. If $x < x_0$, we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0)-epsilon < f(x_0)-s_2 = f(x_0-delta_2) leq f(x) leq f(x_0)$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$.
You can work out the proof for the endpoints as an exercise!
I cannot understand why $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, If this is correct then $s_1<epsilon$
if $f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < f(b)$ then $s_1=f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < epsilon$
Hence $f(x_0)<epsilon$
What is wrong here.
Monotone and IVP
real-analysis continuity
Try defining $s_1 = min { epsilon/2, f(b) - f(x_0)}$ instead, and see if that helps.
– Theo Bendit
Nov 13 at 1:53
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The orignal question is to prove that-"If $f$ has Intermediate Value Property and is monotonic then $f$ is continous"
I was looking for a proof and here is a proof by fellow mathematician.
An $epsilon,delta$-proof:
Let $x_0 in (a,b)$ be arbitrary and let $epsilon > 0$. Let $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$. Then the number $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$. By the intermediate value property, there exists then some $delta_1 > 0$ such that $f(x_0 + delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1$ (by the choice of $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$ we are guaranteed to stay within the domain of $f$). Similarly, let $s_2 = max(f(x_0)-epsilon/2, f(a))$ and find a $delta_2>0$ such that $f(x_0-delta_2) = f(x_0)-s_2$. Take $delta = min(delta_1,delta_2) > 0$.
Now consider the punctured neighbourhood $U_delta = {x in (a,b) : 0 < |x - x_0| < delta}$. Without loss of generality, we may assume that $f$ is increasing. Let $x in U_delta$ be arbitrary. If $x > x_0$ we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0) leq f(x) leq f(x_0+delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$. If $x < x_0$, we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0)-epsilon < f(x_0)-s_2 = f(x_0-delta_2) leq f(x) leq f(x_0)$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$.
You can work out the proof for the endpoints as an exercise!
I cannot understand why $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, If this is correct then $s_1<epsilon$
if $f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < f(b)$ then $s_1=f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < epsilon$
Hence $f(x_0)<epsilon$
What is wrong here.
Monotone and IVP
real-analysis continuity
The orignal question is to prove that-"If $f$ has Intermediate Value Property and is monotonic then $f$ is continous"
I was looking for a proof and here is a proof by fellow mathematician.
An $epsilon,delta$-proof:
Let $x_0 in (a,b)$ be arbitrary and let $epsilon > 0$. Let $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$. Then the number $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$. By the intermediate value property, there exists then some $delta_1 > 0$ such that $f(x_0 + delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1$ (by the choice of $s_1 = min(f(x_0)+epsilon/2, f(b))$ we are guaranteed to stay within the domain of $f$). Similarly, let $s_2 = max(f(x_0)-epsilon/2, f(a))$ and find a $delta_2>0$ such that $f(x_0-delta_2) = f(x_0)-s_2$. Take $delta = min(delta_1,delta_2) > 0$.
Now consider the punctured neighbourhood $U_delta = {x in (a,b) : 0 < |x - x_0| < delta}$. Without loss of generality, we may assume that $f$ is increasing. Let $x in U_delta$ be arbitrary. If $x > x_0$ we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0) leq f(x) leq f(x_0+delta_1) = f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$. If $x < x_0$, we have, as $f$ is increasing, $f(x_0)-epsilon < f(x_0)-s_2 = f(x_0-delta_2) leq f(x) leq f(x_0)$, whence $|f(x)-f(x_0)| < epsilon$.
You can work out the proof for the endpoints as an exercise!
I cannot understand why $f(x_0)+s_1$ satisfies $f(x_0) < f(x_0)+s_1 < f(x_0)+epsilon$, If this is correct then $s_1<epsilon$
if $f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < f(b)$ then $s_1=f(x_0)+epsilon/2 < epsilon$
Hence $f(x_0)<epsilon$
What is wrong here.
Monotone and IVP
real-analysis continuity
real-analysis continuity
asked Nov 13 at 1:18
Rakesh Bhatt
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Try defining $s_1 = min { epsilon/2, f(b) - f(x_0)}$ instead, and see if that helps.
– Theo Bendit
Nov 13 at 1:53
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Try defining $s_1 = min { epsilon/2, f(b) - f(x_0)}$ instead, and see if that helps.
– Theo Bendit
Nov 13 at 1:53
Try defining $s_1 = min { epsilon/2, f(b) - f(x_0)}$ instead, and see if that helps.
– Theo Bendit
Nov 13 at 1:53
Try defining $s_1 = min { epsilon/2, f(b) - f(x_0)}$ instead, and see if that helps.
– Theo Bendit
Nov 13 at 1:53
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The first paragraph as written is incorrect. Take $f(x)=x$ on $[0,1]$, $x_0=frac 12$ and $epsilon in (0,1/2)$. Then $f(x_0)+ s_1 = 1/2+1/2 + epsilon/2 > f(1)$.
Here is another approach. By monotonicity, the one-sided limits exist at all points, therefore only discontinuity is a jump discontinuity. A jump discontinuity contradicts the intermediate property.
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The first paragraph as written is incorrect. Take $f(x)=x$ on $[0,1]$, $x_0=frac 12$ and $epsilon in (0,1/2)$. Then $f(x_0)+ s_1 = 1/2+1/2 + epsilon/2 > f(1)$.
Here is another approach. By monotonicity, the one-sided limits exist at all points, therefore only discontinuity is a jump discontinuity. A jump discontinuity contradicts the intermediate property.
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The first paragraph as written is incorrect. Take $f(x)=x$ on $[0,1]$, $x_0=frac 12$ and $epsilon in (0,1/2)$. Then $f(x_0)+ s_1 = 1/2+1/2 + epsilon/2 > f(1)$.
Here is another approach. By monotonicity, the one-sided limits exist at all points, therefore only discontinuity is a jump discontinuity. A jump discontinuity contradicts the intermediate property.
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The first paragraph as written is incorrect. Take $f(x)=x$ on $[0,1]$, $x_0=frac 12$ and $epsilon in (0,1/2)$. Then $f(x_0)+ s_1 = 1/2+1/2 + epsilon/2 > f(1)$.
Here is another approach. By monotonicity, the one-sided limits exist at all points, therefore only discontinuity is a jump discontinuity. A jump discontinuity contradicts the intermediate property.
The first paragraph as written is incorrect. Take $f(x)=x$ on $[0,1]$, $x_0=frac 12$ and $epsilon in (0,1/2)$. Then $f(x_0)+ s_1 = 1/2+1/2 + epsilon/2 > f(1)$.
Here is another approach. By monotonicity, the one-sided limits exist at all points, therefore only discontinuity is a jump discontinuity. A jump discontinuity contradicts the intermediate property.
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Try defining $s_1 = min { epsilon/2, f(b) - f(x_0)}$ instead, and see if that helps.
– Theo Bendit
Nov 13 at 1:53