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Let's consider the quadratic ring $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]$ and the principal ideals $(29)$ and $(11)$. Tell whether or not these ideals are prime.



My approach: In order to solve this theorem I am using the following fact:



Fact: If $R$ - commutative ring with $1_R$. Ideal $I$ in $R$ is prime iff factor-ring $R/I$ is integral domain.



Using the fact that $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]cong mathbb{Z}[x]/(x^2+5)$ I have derived the following the following results:



$$mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(29)cong mathbb{Z}_{29}[x]/(x^2+5) quad text{and} quad mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(11)cong mathbb{Z}_{11}[x]/(x^2+5).$$



How to show are these quotient-rings are integral domain or not?



Is there any method except computational one?



Would be very grateful for help!



EDIT: For the second example I know that $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Z}_{11}$. Hence this quotient-ring is field. Hence it is an integral domain.



But what about the first one?










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    Let's consider the quadratic ring $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]$ and the principal ideals $(29)$ and $(11)$. Tell whether or not these ideals are prime.



    My approach: In order to solve this theorem I am using the following fact:



    Fact: If $R$ - commutative ring with $1_R$. Ideal $I$ in $R$ is prime iff factor-ring $R/I$ is integral domain.



    Using the fact that $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]cong mathbb{Z}[x]/(x^2+5)$ I have derived the following the following results:



    $$mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(29)cong mathbb{Z}_{29}[x]/(x^2+5) quad text{and} quad mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(11)cong mathbb{Z}_{11}[x]/(x^2+5).$$



    How to show are these quotient-rings are integral domain or not?



    Is there any method except computational one?



    Would be very grateful for help!



    EDIT: For the second example I know that $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Z}_{11}$. Hence this quotient-ring is field. Hence it is an integral domain.



    But what about the first one?










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      Let's consider the quadratic ring $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]$ and the principal ideals $(29)$ and $(11)$. Tell whether or not these ideals are prime.



      My approach: In order to solve this theorem I am using the following fact:



      Fact: If $R$ - commutative ring with $1_R$. Ideal $I$ in $R$ is prime iff factor-ring $R/I$ is integral domain.



      Using the fact that $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]cong mathbb{Z}[x]/(x^2+5)$ I have derived the following the following results:



      $$mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(29)cong mathbb{Z}_{29}[x]/(x^2+5) quad text{and} quad mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(11)cong mathbb{Z}_{11}[x]/(x^2+5).$$



      How to show are these quotient-rings are integral domain or not?



      Is there any method except computational one?



      Would be very grateful for help!



      EDIT: For the second example I know that $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Z}_{11}$. Hence this quotient-ring is field. Hence it is an integral domain.



      But what about the first one?










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      Let's consider the quadratic ring $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]$ and the principal ideals $(29)$ and $(11)$. Tell whether or not these ideals are prime.



      My approach: In order to solve this theorem I am using the following fact:



      Fact: If $R$ - commutative ring with $1_R$. Ideal $I$ in $R$ is prime iff factor-ring $R/I$ is integral domain.



      Using the fact that $mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]cong mathbb{Z}[x]/(x^2+5)$ I have derived the following the following results:



      $$mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(29)cong mathbb{Z}_{29}[x]/(x^2+5) quad text{and} quad mathbb{Z}[sqrt{-5}]/(11)cong mathbb{Z}_{11}[x]/(x^2+5).$$



      How to show are these quotient-rings are integral domain or not?



      Is there any method except computational one?



      Would be very grateful for help!



      EDIT: For the second example I know that $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $mathbb{Z}_{11}$. Hence this quotient-ring is field. Hence it is an integral domain.



      But what about the first one?







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          It will suffice to show whether or note $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $Bbb Z_{29}$. As a quadratic this only factors if there is some $x$ such that $x^2 = -5 mod 29$. This can be done by brute force (trying $x = 0, 1, ldots, 29$) as a last resort.



          The techniques of number theory can fairly efficiently compute this question too (whether or not $-5$ is what is known as a quadratic residue mod $29$). However, this requires some familiarity with the Lagrange symbol and quadratic reciprocity.



          An alternate approach might be to try to directly find a primitive root mod $29$, ie some nonzero value of $z$ such that $z^i ne 1$ unless $i$ is a multiple of 28. Then the values of $z^i$ will consist of all values of $Bbb Z_{29}$. Then you can see if the congruence class of $-5$ is an even power of $z$ or an odd power ($x^2+5$ would be reducible only if $-5$ is an even power of $z$). I don't think this will save effort compared to just computing the squares mod $29$ directly, though.






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            To go the next step beyond @RolfHeyer’s answer, I noticed that $6cdot29=174=13^2+5$. Thus $(13-sqrt{-5},)(13+sqrt{-5},)in(29)$, so $(29)$ isn’t a prime ideal.






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              No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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            First it is easy to check that $-5$ is not a square $!bmod{11}$ by Euler's criterion, i.e.



            $!bmod 11!: left[a^{large 2} equiv -5right]^{large 5}!Rightarrow, a^{large 10}equiv -5(25)^{large 2} equiv -5(3)^{large 2} equiv -1,$ contra little Fermat.



            Therefore $ x^{large 2}equiv -5,$ is unsolvable so $,x^2+5,$ has no root so is irreducible $bmod {11}.,$ Otoh



            $!!begin{align}
            bmod 29!:, {-}5cdot 2^{large 2} &equiv 3^{large 2} \[.3em]
            Rightarrow color{#c00}{{-}5} &equiv left(dfrac{3}2right)^{large 2}!!equiv left(dfrac{-26}2right)^{large 2}!! equiv color{#c00}{13^{large 2}}\[.3em]
            Rightarrow x^{large 2}+color{#c00}{5}&equiv x^{large 2}color{#c00}{-13^2}equiv (x-13)(x+13)
            end{align}$



            Remark $ $ Here we don't actually need to calculate the value of $,3/2,$ since we only need to know that $-5$ is a square to infer that $,x^2+5,$ is reducible. But it was easy to do so here so we did it.






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              It will suffice to show whether or note $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $Bbb Z_{29}$. As a quadratic this only factors if there is some $x$ such that $x^2 = -5 mod 29$. This can be done by brute force (trying $x = 0, 1, ldots, 29$) as a last resort.



              The techniques of number theory can fairly efficiently compute this question too (whether or not $-5$ is what is known as a quadratic residue mod $29$). However, this requires some familiarity with the Lagrange symbol and quadratic reciprocity.



              An alternate approach might be to try to directly find a primitive root mod $29$, ie some nonzero value of $z$ such that $z^i ne 1$ unless $i$ is a multiple of 28. Then the values of $z^i$ will consist of all values of $Bbb Z_{29}$. Then you can see if the congruence class of $-5$ is an even power of $z$ or an odd power ($x^2+5$ would be reducible only if $-5$ is an even power of $z$). I don't think this will save effort compared to just computing the squares mod $29$ directly, though.






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                It will suffice to show whether or note $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $Bbb Z_{29}$. As a quadratic this only factors if there is some $x$ such that $x^2 = -5 mod 29$. This can be done by brute force (trying $x = 0, 1, ldots, 29$) as a last resort.



                The techniques of number theory can fairly efficiently compute this question too (whether or not $-5$ is what is known as a quadratic residue mod $29$). However, this requires some familiarity with the Lagrange symbol and quadratic reciprocity.



                An alternate approach might be to try to directly find a primitive root mod $29$, ie some nonzero value of $z$ such that $z^i ne 1$ unless $i$ is a multiple of 28. Then the values of $z^i$ will consist of all values of $Bbb Z_{29}$. Then you can see if the congruence class of $-5$ is an even power of $z$ or an odd power ($x^2+5$ would be reducible only if $-5$ is an even power of $z$). I don't think this will save effort compared to just computing the squares mod $29$ directly, though.






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                  It will suffice to show whether or note $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $Bbb Z_{29}$. As a quadratic this only factors if there is some $x$ such that $x^2 = -5 mod 29$. This can be done by brute force (trying $x = 0, 1, ldots, 29$) as a last resort.



                  The techniques of number theory can fairly efficiently compute this question too (whether or not $-5$ is what is known as a quadratic residue mod $29$). However, this requires some familiarity with the Lagrange symbol and quadratic reciprocity.



                  An alternate approach might be to try to directly find a primitive root mod $29$, ie some nonzero value of $z$ such that $z^i ne 1$ unless $i$ is a multiple of 28. Then the values of $z^i$ will consist of all values of $Bbb Z_{29}$. Then you can see if the congruence class of $-5$ is an even power of $z$ or an odd power ($x^2+5$ would be reducible only if $-5$ is an even power of $z$). I don't think this will save effort compared to just computing the squares mod $29$ directly, though.






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                  It will suffice to show whether or note $x^2+5$ is irreducible over $Bbb Z_{29}$. As a quadratic this only factors if there is some $x$ such that $x^2 = -5 mod 29$. This can be done by brute force (trying $x = 0, 1, ldots, 29$) as a last resort.



                  The techniques of number theory can fairly efficiently compute this question too (whether or not $-5$ is what is known as a quadratic residue mod $29$). However, this requires some familiarity with the Lagrange symbol and quadratic reciprocity.



                  An alternate approach might be to try to directly find a primitive root mod $29$, ie some nonzero value of $z$ such that $z^i ne 1$ unless $i$ is a multiple of 28. Then the values of $z^i$ will consist of all values of $Bbb Z_{29}$. Then you can see if the congruence class of $-5$ is an even power of $z$ or an odd power ($x^2+5$ would be reducible only if $-5$ is an even power of $z$). I don't think this will save effort compared to just computing the squares mod $29$ directly, though.







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                      To go the next step beyond @RolfHeyer’s answer, I noticed that $6cdot29=174=13^2+5$. Thus $(13-sqrt{-5},)(13+sqrt{-5},)in(29)$, so $(29)$ isn’t a prime ideal.






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                        No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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                      To go the next step beyond @RolfHeyer’s answer, I noticed that $6cdot29=174=13^2+5$. Thus $(13-sqrt{-5},)(13+sqrt{-5},)in(29)$, so $(29)$ isn’t a prime ideal.






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                        No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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                      To go the next step beyond @RolfHeyer’s answer, I noticed that $6cdot29=174=13^2+5$. Thus $(13-sqrt{-5},)(13+sqrt{-5},)in(29)$, so $(29)$ isn’t a prime ideal.






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                      To go the next step beyond @RolfHeyer’s answer, I noticed that $6cdot29=174=13^2+5$. Thus $(13-sqrt{-5},)(13+sqrt{-5},)in(29)$, so $(29)$ isn’t a prime ideal.







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                        No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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                        No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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                      No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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                      No need to pull $,large -5equiv 13^2,$ out of a hat since $,,large -5cdot 2^2equiv 3^2pmod{29},,$ see my answer.
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                      First it is easy to check that $-5$ is not a square $!bmod{11}$ by Euler's criterion, i.e.



                      $!bmod 11!: left[a^{large 2} equiv -5right]^{large 5}!Rightarrow, a^{large 10}equiv -5(25)^{large 2} equiv -5(3)^{large 2} equiv -1,$ contra little Fermat.



                      Therefore $ x^{large 2}equiv -5,$ is unsolvable so $,x^2+5,$ has no root so is irreducible $bmod {11}.,$ Otoh



                      $!!begin{align}
                      bmod 29!:, {-}5cdot 2^{large 2} &equiv 3^{large 2} \[.3em]
                      Rightarrow color{#c00}{{-}5} &equiv left(dfrac{3}2right)^{large 2}!!equiv left(dfrac{-26}2right)^{large 2}!! equiv color{#c00}{13^{large 2}}\[.3em]
                      Rightarrow x^{large 2}+color{#c00}{5}&equiv x^{large 2}color{#c00}{-13^2}equiv (x-13)(x+13)
                      end{align}$



                      Remark $ $ Here we don't actually need to calculate the value of $,3/2,$ since we only need to know that $-5$ is a square to infer that $,x^2+5,$ is reducible. But it was easy to do so here so we did it.






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                        First it is easy to check that $-5$ is not a square $!bmod{11}$ by Euler's criterion, i.e.



                        $!bmod 11!: left[a^{large 2} equiv -5right]^{large 5}!Rightarrow, a^{large 10}equiv -5(25)^{large 2} equiv -5(3)^{large 2} equiv -1,$ contra little Fermat.



                        Therefore $ x^{large 2}equiv -5,$ is unsolvable so $,x^2+5,$ has no root so is irreducible $bmod {11}.,$ Otoh



                        $!!begin{align}
                        bmod 29!:, {-}5cdot 2^{large 2} &equiv 3^{large 2} \[.3em]
                        Rightarrow color{#c00}{{-}5} &equiv left(dfrac{3}2right)^{large 2}!!equiv left(dfrac{-26}2right)^{large 2}!! equiv color{#c00}{13^{large 2}}\[.3em]
                        Rightarrow x^{large 2}+color{#c00}{5}&equiv x^{large 2}color{#c00}{-13^2}equiv (x-13)(x+13)
                        end{align}$



                        Remark $ $ Here we don't actually need to calculate the value of $,3/2,$ since we only need to know that $-5$ is a square to infer that $,x^2+5,$ is reducible. But it was easy to do so here so we did it.






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                          First it is easy to check that $-5$ is not a square $!bmod{11}$ by Euler's criterion, i.e.



                          $!bmod 11!: left[a^{large 2} equiv -5right]^{large 5}!Rightarrow, a^{large 10}equiv -5(25)^{large 2} equiv -5(3)^{large 2} equiv -1,$ contra little Fermat.



                          Therefore $ x^{large 2}equiv -5,$ is unsolvable so $,x^2+5,$ has no root so is irreducible $bmod {11}.,$ Otoh



                          $!!begin{align}
                          bmod 29!:, {-}5cdot 2^{large 2} &equiv 3^{large 2} \[.3em]
                          Rightarrow color{#c00}{{-}5} &equiv left(dfrac{3}2right)^{large 2}!!equiv left(dfrac{-26}2right)^{large 2}!! equiv color{#c00}{13^{large 2}}\[.3em]
                          Rightarrow x^{large 2}+color{#c00}{5}&equiv x^{large 2}color{#c00}{-13^2}equiv (x-13)(x+13)
                          end{align}$



                          Remark $ $ Here we don't actually need to calculate the value of $,3/2,$ since we only need to know that $-5$ is a square to infer that $,x^2+5,$ is reducible. But it was easy to do so here so we did it.






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                          First it is easy to check that $-5$ is not a square $!bmod{11}$ by Euler's criterion, i.e.



                          $!bmod 11!: left[a^{large 2} equiv -5right]^{large 5}!Rightarrow, a^{large 10}equiv -5(25)^{large 2} equiv -5(3)^{large 2} equiv -1,$ contra little Fermat.



                          Therefore $ x^{large 2}equiv -5,$ is unsolvable so $,x^2+5,$ has no root so is irreducible $bmod {11}.,$ Otoh



                          $!!begin{align}
                          bmod 29!:, {-}5cdot 2^{large 2} &equiv 3^{large 2} \[.3em]
                          Rightarrow color{#c00}{{-}5} &equiv left(dfrac{3}2right)^{large 2}!!equiv left(dfrac{-26}2right)^{large 2}!! equiv color{#c00}{13^{large 2}}\[.3em]
                          Rightarrow x^{large 2}+color{#c00}{5}&equiv x^{large 2}color{#c00}{-13^2}equiv (x-13)(x+13)
                          end{align}$



                          Remark $ $ Here we don't actually need to calculate the value of $,3/2,$ since we only need to know that $-5$ is a square to infer that $,x^2+5,$ is reducible. But it was easy to do so here so we did it.







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