Is it possible to split a NOTAM in two messages in case it is too long to fit in a single message?
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Would it be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two different NOTAMs with the same year, series and number regarding the same subject and informing //PART 1 OF 2 PARTS// and //PART 2 OF 2 PARTS// in the NOTAMs bodies to inform that they are parts of a single NOTAM?
notam icao-sarps aim
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Would it be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two different NOTAMs with the same year, series and number regarding the same subject and informing //PART 1 OF 2 PARTS// and //PART 2 OF 2 PARTS// in the NOTAMs bodies to inform that they are parts of a single NOTAM?
notam icao-sarps aim
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cvasques
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Have you considered that a NOTAM might not be the best choice for promulgating such a lengthy tome? Perhaps editing for brevity may be the answer here, or reconsidering if it is worthwhile to feed to hapless airmen the world over?
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
Nov 21 at 12:28
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I understand that a NOTAM should not be that long and that it should be edited for brevity. Still, I would like to know if it would be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two NOTAMs with same year, series and number if they refer to the same subject.
– cvasques
Nov 21 at 12:33
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I have seen it done before but i forgot where.
– vasin1987
Nov 21 at 16:09
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up vote
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Would it be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two different NOTAMs with the same year, series and number regarding the same subject and informing //PART 1 OF 2 PARTS// and //PART 2 OF 2 PARTS// in the NOTAMs bodies to inform that they are parts of a single NOTAM?
notam icao-sarps aim
asked Nov 21 at 11:33
cvasques
456
Would it be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two different NOTAMs with the same year, series and number regarding the same subject and informing //PART 1 OF 2 PARTS// and //PART 2 OF 2 PARTS// in the NOTAMs bodies to inform that they are parts of a single NOTAM?
notam icao-sarps aim
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asked Nov 21 at 11:33
cvasques
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asked Nov 21 at 11:33
cvasques
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cvasques
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Have you considered that a NOTAM might not be the best choice for promulgating such a lengthy tome? Perhaps editing for brevity may be the answer here, or reconsidering if it is worthwhile to feed to hapless airmen the world over?
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
Nov 21 at 12:28
1
I understand that a NOTAM should not be that long and that it should be edited for brevity. Still, I would like to know if it would be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two NOTAMs with same year, series and number if they refer to the same subject.
– cvasques
Nov 21 at 12:33
1
I have seen it done before but i forgot where.
– vasin1987
Nov 21 at 16:09
add a comment |
2
Have you considered that a NOTAM might not be the best choice for promulgating such a lengthy tome? Perhaps editing for brevity may be the answer here, or reconsidering if it is worthwhile to feed to hapless airmen the world over?
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
Nov 21 at 12:28
1
I understand that a NOTAM should not be that long and that it should be edited for brevity. Still, I would like to know if it would be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two NOTAMs with same year, series and number if they refer to the same subject.
– cvasques
Nov 21 at 12:33
1
I have seen it done before but i forgot where.
– vasin1987
Nov 21 at 16:09
2
2
Have you considered that a NOTAM might not be the best choice for promulgating such a lengthy tome? Perhaps editing for brevity may be the answer here, or reconsidering if it is worthwhile to feed to hapless airmen the world over?
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
Nov 21 at 12:28
Have you considered that a NOTAM might not be the best choice for promulgating such a lengthy tome? Perhaps editing for brevity may be the answer here, or reconsidering if it is worthwhile to feed to hapless airmen the world over?
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
Nov 21 at 12:28
1
1
I understand that a NOTAM should not be that long and that it should be edited for brevity. Still, I would like to know if it would be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two NOTAMs with same year, series and number if they refer to the same subject.
– cvasques
Nov 21 at 12:33
I understand that a NOTAM should not be that long and that it should be edited for brevity. Still, I would like to know if it would be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two NOTAMs with same year, series and number if they refer to the same subject.
– cvasques
Nov 21 at 12:33
1
1
I have seen it done before but i forgot where.
– vasin1987
Nov 21 at 16:09
I have seen it done before but i forgot where.
– vasin1987
Nov 21 at 16:09
add a comment |
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Multi-part NOTAMs seem to be part of ICAO standard, as far as googling reveals. I can’t seem to find a definitive reference though.
An example - and from experience a relatively reliable one - for a multi-part NOTAM is the infamous Sydney crane list, at time of writing in NOTAM H6002/18, which at the moment comes in three parts and has the part listing in field A):
H6002/18 NOTAMR H5974/18
Q) YMMM/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/999/3357S15111E008
A) YSSY PART 1 OF 3
B) 1811190334
C) 1811300500 EST
E) OBSTACLE CRANES AT FLW LOCATIONS
239FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.58NM FM ARP
497FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 3.82NM FM ARP
220FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.38NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
413FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.09NM FM ARP
410FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.14NM FM ARP
577FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 4.65NM FM ARP
685FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 4.26NM FM ARP
249FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 2.98NM FM ARP
413FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 3.18NM FM ARP
224FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 1.53NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
500FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 3.42NM FM ARP
953FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 5.26NM FM ARP
623FT AMSL BRG 006 MAG 4.54NM FM ARP
PART 1 OF 3
Found at FAA pilot briefing site.
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
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Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
3
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
2
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
4
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
2
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
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1 Answer
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oldest
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
12
down vote
accepted
Multi-part NOTAMs seem to be part of ICAO standard, as far as googling reveals. I can’t seem to find a definitive reference though.
An example - and from experience a relatively reliable one - for a multi-part NOTAM is the infamous Sydney crane list, at time of writing in NOTAM H6002/18, which at the moment comes in three parts and has the part listing in field A):
H6002/18 NOTAMR H5974/18
Q) YMMM/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/999/3357S15111E008
A) YSSY PART 1 OF 3
B) 1811190334
C) 1811300500 EST
E) OBSTACLE CRANES AT FLW LOCATIONS
239FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.58NM FM ARP
497FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 3.82NM FM ARP
220FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.38NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
413FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.09NM FM ARP
410FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.14NM FM ARP
577FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 4.65NM FM ARP
685FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 4.26NM FM ARP
249FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 2.98NM FM ARP
413FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 3.18NM FM ARP
224FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 1.53NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
500FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 3.42NM FM ARP
953FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 5.26NM FM ARP
623FT AMSL BRG 006 MAG 4.54NM FM ARP
PART 1 OF 3
Found at FAA pilot briefing site.
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
4
Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
3
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
2
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
4
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
2
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
12
down vote
accepted
Multi-part NOTAMs seem to be part of ICAO standard, as far as googling reveals. I can’t seem to find a definitive reference though.
An example - and from experience a relatively reliable one - for a multi-part NOTAM is the infamous Sydney crane list, at time of writing in NOTAM H6002/18, which at the moment comes in three parts and has the part listing in field A):
H6002/18 NOTAMR H5974/18
Q) YMMM/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/999/3357S15111E008
A) YSSY PART 1 OF 3
B) 1811190334
C) 1811300500 EST
E) OBSTACLE CRANES AT FLW LOCATIONS
239FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.58NM FM ARP
497FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 3.82NM FM ARP
220FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.38NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
413FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.09NM FM ARP
410FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.14NM FM ARP
577FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 4.65NM FM ARP
685FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 4.26NM FM ARP
249FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 2.98NM FM ARP
413FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 3.18NM FM ARP
224FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 1.53NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
500FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 3.42NM FM ARP
953FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 5.26NM FM ARP
623FT AMSL BRG 006 MAG 4.54NM FM ARP
PART 1 OF 3
Found at FAA pilot briefing site.
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
4
Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
3
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
2
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
4
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
2
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
12
down vote
accepted
up vote
12
down vote
accepted
Multi-part NOTAMs seem to be part of ICAO standard, as far as googling reveals. I can’t seem to find a definitive reference though.
An example - and from experience a relatively reliable one - for a multi-part NOTAM is the infamous Sydney crane list, at time of writing in NOTAM H6002/18, which at the moment comes in three parts and has the part listing in field A):
H6002/18 NOTAMR H5974/18
Q) YMMM/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/999/3357S15111E008
A) YSSY PART 1 OF 3
B) 1811190334
C) 1811300500 EST
E) OBSTACLE CRANES AT FLW LOCATIONS
239FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.58NM FM ARP
497FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 3.82NM FM ARP
220FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.38NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
413FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.09NM FM ARP
410FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.14NM FM ARP
577FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 4.65NM FM ARP
685FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 4.26NM FM ARP
249FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 2.98NM FM ARP
413FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 3.18NM FM ARP
224FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 1.53NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
500FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 3.42NM FM ARP
953FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 5.26NM FM ARP
623FT AMSL BRG 006 MAG 4.54NM FM ARP
PART 1 OF 3
Found at FAA pilot briefing site.
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
Multi-part NOTAMs seem to be part of ICAO standard, as far as googling reveals. I can’t seem to find a definitive reference though.
An example - and from experience a relatively reliable one - for a multi-part NOTAM is the infamous Sydney crane list, at time of writing in NOTAM H6002/18, which at the moment comes in three parts and has the part listing in field A):
H6002/18 NOTAMR H5974/18
Q) YMMM/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/999/3357S15111E008
A) YSSY PART 1 OF 3
B) 1811190334
C) 1811300500 EST
E) OBSTACLE CRANES AT FLW LOCATIONS
239FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.58NM FM ARP
497FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 3.82NM FM ARP
220FT AMSL BRG 002 MAG 1.38NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
413FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.09NM FM ARP
410FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 3.14NM FM ARP
577FT AMSL BRG 003 MAG 4.65NM FM ARP
685FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 4.26NM FM ARP
249FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 2.98NM FM ARP
413FT AMSL BRG 004 MAG 3.18NM FM ARP
224FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 1.53NM FM ARP OBST UNLIT
500FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 3.42NM FM ARP
953FT AMSL BRG 005 MAG 5.26NM FM ARP
623FT AMSL BRG 006 MAG 4.54NM FM ARP
PART 1 OF 3
Found at FAA pilot briefing site.
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
edited Nov 21 at 21:47
cvasques
456
456
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
answered Nov 21 at 13:29
Cpt Reynolds
2,1251914
2,1251914
4
Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
3
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
2
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
4
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
2
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
|
show 1 more comment
4
Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
3
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
2
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
4
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
2
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
4
4
Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
Also an example of the nigh-incomprehensibility of NOTAMs.
– Sean
Nov 21 at 17:09
3
3
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
As a railroad person who's seen many a hard-to-read train order, I recognize I'm looking at an extreme case, but still. That would never pass muster on rail: firstly the topic would be an Order or Notice in full page format. But even as a train order, it would require deployment of a technology (invented by George Westinghouse) called the "carriage return" or "newline". I am unable to demonstrate here in a comment.
– Harper
Nov 21 at 18:12
2
2
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
To be fair, everywhere I‘ve seen this NOTAM, the carriage returns were in the right places. I couldn’t get them to work in the quote on the iPhone app, though.
– Cpt Reynolds
Nov 21 at 18:56
4
4
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
The standard US stadium security NOTAM is three parts too. Greece and Turkey like to carry on an entire diplomatic spat in the NOTAM database. The NTSB chair recently called the system "messed up" and "garbage" thanks to this kind of nonsense.
– Zach Lipton
Nov 21 at 21:21
2
2
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
For next time, you can enter "newlines" with "<space><space><enter>"
– Federico♦
Nov 22 at 6:57
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Have you considered that a NOTAM might not be the best choice for promulgating such a lengthy tome? Perhaps editing for brevity may be the answer here, or reconsidering if it is worthwhile to feed to hapless airmen the world over?
– UnrecognizedFallingObject
Nov 21 at 12:28
1
I understand that a NOTAM should not be that long and that it should be edited for brevity. Still, I would like to know if it would be in accordance with ICAO norms to issue two NOTAMs with same year, series and number if they refer to the same subject.
– cvasques
Nov 21 at 12:33
1
I have seen it done before but i forgot where.
– vasin1987
Nov 21 at 16:09