How to upgrade a “minimal” install of 18.04 to a “minimal” install of 18.10?











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I came across an interesting reddit post titled "How do I update while maintaining a minimal desktop?".



The poster ran sudo do-release-upgrade on a Kubuntu 18.04 system which was created using the minimal install option (available in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu Mate 18.04 as well).



The result was an upgrade to a full version of Kubuntu 18.10.



My question: is there any way for a user of a minimal install of 18.04 to upgrade to a minimal 18.10 or must such users do a clean minimal install of 18.10.










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    I came across an interesting reddit post titled "How do I update while maintaining a minimal desktop?".



    The poster ran sudo do-release-upgrade on a Kubuntu 18.04 system which was created using the minimal install option (available in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu Mate 18.04 as well).



    The result was an upgrade to a full version of Kubuntu 18.10.



    My question: is there any way for a user of a minimal install of 18.04 to upgrade to a minimal 18.10 or must such users do a clean minimal install of 18.10.










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      I came across an interesting reddit post titled "How do I update while maintaining a minimal desktop?".



      The poster ran sudo do-release-upgrade on a Kubuntu 18.04 system which was created using the minimal install option (available in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu Mate 18.04 as well).



      The result was an upgrade to a full version of Kubuntu 18.10.



      My question: is there any way for a user of a minimal install of 18.04 to upgrade to a minimal 18.10 or must such users do a clean minimal install of 18.10.










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      I came across an interesting reddit post titled "How do I update while maintaining a minimal desktop?".



      The poster ran sudo do-release-upgrade on a Kubuntu 18.04 system which was created using the minimal install option (available in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu Mate 18.04 as well).



      The result was an upgrade to a full version of Kubuntu 18.10.



      My question: is there any way for a user of a minimal install of 18.04 to upgrade to a minimal 18.10 or must such users do a clean minimal install of 18.10.







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          First of all I can't understand the trade-off of upgrading LTS to non-LTS.

          LTS releases are highly recommended for real work. The non-LTS's 9 months support cycle is too short. Upgrading to non-LTS will result in 4 unneeded upgrades (18.04 LTS → 18.10 → 19.04 → 19.10 → 20.04 LTS) to next LTS.



          TL;DR: but Ubuntu MATE upgrades normally with do-release-upgrade.



          Below is a table for comparison for Ubuntu MATE:



          |             Name           | Packages | max - min | upg.min - clean min |
          |----------------------------+----------+-----------+---------------------|
          | clean min UM 18.04.1 | 1678 | | |
          | upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 | 1715 | | |
          | max UM 18.04.1 | 1857 | 179 | |
          | clean min UM 18.10 | 1598 | | 117 |
          | max UM 18.10 | 1826 | 228 | |


          Legend:





          • clean min UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


          • upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1, upgraded to 18.10 with do-release-upgrade;


          • max UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


          • clean min UM 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.10;


          • max UM 18.10 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.10.


          The result: yes, number of installed packages differ by 117 packages. But if I compare the list of packages from clean 18.10 and upgraded - they differ mostly by the libraries. No heavy packages were installed. You can see the diff.






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          • I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
            – N0rbert
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          • I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
            – DK Bose
            Nov 16 at 11:19


















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          I tested upgrading minimal installs of Ubuntu, Ubuntu Mate (as has N0rbert in the accepted answer) and Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10.



          For each,

          • I downloaded the 18.04.1 iso

          • installed it using the minimal option in a VM

          • ran sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade

          • rebooted

          • changed software sources to notify of normal releases

          • and ran sudo do-release-upgrade



          Then, at the Continue [yN] Details [d]d prompt, I chose to view the details of what was proposed.



          Both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate did not propose to include packages excluded from the minimal install whereas Kubuntu did. Upgrading the minimal install of Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10 would install packages such as

          akregator

          cantata

          kmahjongg

          kmail

          kmines

          knotes

          kontact

          konversation

          ksudoku

          libreoffice-base

          libreoffice-calc

          libreoffice-draw

          libreoffice-impress

          libreoffice-math

          and

          libreoffice-writer

          just to list a few well-known packages not present in the minimal install.



          So I filed a bug :(






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            First of all I can't understand the trade-off of upgrading LTS to non-LTS.

            LTS releases are highly recommended for real work. The non-LTS's 9 months support cycle is too short. Upgrading to non-LTS will result in 4 unneeded upgrades (18.04 LTS → 18.10 → 19.04 → 19.10 → 20.04 LTS) to next LTS.



            TL;DR: but Ubuntu MATE upgrades normally with do-release-upgrade.



            Below is a table for comparison for Ubuntu MATE:



            |             Name           | Packages | max - min | upg.min - clean min |
            |----------------------------+----------+-----------+---------------------|
            | clean min UM 18.04.1 | 1678 | | |
            | upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 | 1715 | | |
            | max UM 18.04.1 | 1857 | 179 | |
            | clean min UM 18.10 | 1598 | | 117 |
            | max UM 18.10 | 1826 | 228 | |


            Legend:





            • clean min UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1, upgraded to 18.10 with do-release-upgrade;


            • max UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • clean min UM 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.10;


            • max UM 18.10 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.10.


            The result: yes, number of installed packages differ by 117 packages. But if I compare the list of packages from clean 18.10 and upgraded - they differ mostly by the libraries. No heavy packages were installed. You can see the diff.






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            • I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
              – N0rbert
              Oct 19 at 11:10












            • I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
              – DK Bose
              Nov 16 at 11:19















            up vote
            1
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            accepted










            First of all I can't understand the trade-off of upgrading LTS to non-LTS.

            LTS releases are highly recommended for real work. The non-LTS's 9 months support cycle is too short. Upgrading to non-LTS will result in 4 unneeded upgrades (18.04 LTS → 18.10 → 19.04 → 19.10 → 20.04 LTS) to next LTS.



            TL;DR: but Ubuntu MATE upgrades normally with do-release-upgrade.



            Below is a table for comparison for Ubuntu MATE:



            |             Name           | Packages | max - min | upg.min - clean min |
            |----------------------------+----------+-----------+---------------------|
            | clean min UM 18.04.1 | 1678 | | |
            | upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 | 1715 | | |
            | max UM 18.04.1 | 1857 | 179 | |
            | clean min UM 18.10 | 1598 | | 117 |
            | max UM 18.10 | 1826 | 228 | |


            Legend:





            • clean min UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1, upgraded to 18.10 with do-release-upgrade;


            • max UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • clean min UM 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.10;


            • max UM 18.10 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.10.


            The result: yes, number of installed packages differ by 117 packages. But if I compare the list of packages from clean 18.10 and upgraded - they differ mostly by the libraries. No heavy packages were installed. You can see the diff.






            share|improve this answer























            • I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
              – N0rbert
              Oct 19 at 11:10












            • I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
              – DK Bose
              Nov 16 at 11:19













            up vote
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            accepted







            up vote
            1
            down vote



            accepted






            First of all I can't understand the trade-off of upgrading LTS to non-LTS.

            LTS releases are highly recommended for real work. The non-LTS's 9 months support cycle is too short. Upgrading to non-LTS will result in 4 unneeded upgrades (18.04 LTS → 18.10 → 19.04 → 19.10 → 20.04 LTS) to next LTS.



            TL;DR: but Ubuntu MATE upgrades normally with do-release-upgrade.



            Below is a table for comparison for Ubuntu MATE:



            |             Name           | Packages | max - min | upg.min - clean min |
            |----------------------------+----------+-----------+---------------------|
            | clean min UM 18.04.1 | 1678 | | |
            | upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 | 1715 | | |
            | max UM 18.04.1 | 1857 | 179 | |
            | clean min UM 18.10 | 1598 | | 117 |
            | max UM 18.10 | 1826 | 228 | |


            Legend:





            • clean min UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1, upgraded to 18.10 with do-release-upgrade;


            • max UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • clean min UM 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.10;


            • max UM 18.10 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.10.


            The result: yes, number of installed packages differ by 117 packages. But if I compare the list of packages from clean 18.10 and upgraded - they differ mostly by the libraries. No heavy packages were installed. You can see the diff.






            share|improve this answer














            First of all I can't understand the trade-off of upgrading LTS to non-LTS.

            LTS releases are highly recommended for real work. The non-LTS's 9 months support cycle is too short. Upgrading to non-LTS will result in 4 unneeded upgrades (18.04 LTS → 18.10 → 19.04 → 19.10 → 20.04 LTS) to next LTS.



            TL;DR: but Ubuntu MATE upgrades normally with do-release-upgrade.



            Below is a table for comparison for Ubuntu MATE:



            |             Name           | Packages | max - min | upg.min - clean min |
            |----------------------------+----------+-----------+---------------------|
            | clean min UM 18.04.1 | 1678 | | |
            | upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 | 1715 | | |
            | max UM 18.04.1 | 1857 | 179 | |
            | clean min UM 18.10 | 1598 | | 117 |
            | max UM 18.10 | 1826 | 228 | |


            Legend:





            • clean min UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • upg.min UM 18.04.1 → 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1, upgraded to 18.10 with do-release-upgrade;


            • max UM 18.04.1 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1;


            • clean min UM 18.10 - clean installation of minimal Ubuntu MATE 18.10;


            • max UM 18.10 - clean installation of normal Ubuntu MATE 18.10.


            The result: yes, number of installed packages differ by 117 packages. But if I compare the list of packages from clean 18.10 and upgraded - they differ mostly by the libraries. No heavy packages were installed. You can see the diff.







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            • I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
              – N0rbert
              Oct 19 at 11:10












            • I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
              – DK Bose
              Nov 16 at 11:19


















            • I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
              – N0rbert
              Oct 19 at 11:10












            • I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
              – DK Bose
              Nov 16 at 11:19
















            I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
            – N0rbert
            Oct 19 at 11:10






            I saw libreoffice in the diff, but it is not fully installed and does not launch. So in the MATE case the system is still minimal :)
            – N0rbert
            Oct 19 at 11:10














            I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
            – DK Bose
            Nov 16 at 11:19




            I confirmed today that minimal Ubuntu Mate 18.04 >>> 18.10 remains minimal. So maybe there's a specific issue with Kubuntu.
            – DK Bose
            Nov 16 at 11:19












            up vote
            0
            down vote













            I tested upgrading minimal installs of Ubuntu, Ubuntu Mate (as has N0rbert in the accepted answer) and Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10.



            For each,

            • I downloaded the 18.04.1 iso

            • installed it using the minimal option in a VM

            • ran sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade

            • rebooted

            • changed software sources to notify of normal releases

            • and ran sudo do-release-upgrade



            Then, at the Continue [yN] Details [d]d prompt, I chose to view the details of what was proposed.



            Both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate did not propose to include packages excluded from the minimal install whereas Kubuntu did. Upgrading the minimal install of Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10 would install packages such as

            akregator

            cantata

            kmahjongg

            kmail

            kmines

            knotes

            kontact

            konversation

            ksudoku

            libreoffice-base

            libreoffice-calc

            libreoffice-draw

            libreoffice-impress

            libreoffice-math

            and

            libreoffice-writer

            just to list a few well-known packages not present in the minimal install.



            So I filed a bug :(






            share|improve this answer

























              up vote
              0
              down vote













              I tested upgrading minimal installs of Ubuntu, Ubuntu Mate (as has N0rbert in the accepted answer) and Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10.



              For each,

              • I downloaded the 18.04.1 iso

              • installed it using the minimal option in a VM

              • ran sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade

              • rebooted

              • changed software sources to notify of normal releases

              • and ran sudo do-release-upgrade



              Then, at the Continue [yN] Details [d]d prompt, I chose to view the details of what was proposed.



              Both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate did not propose to include packages excluded from the minimal install whereas Kubuntu did. Upgrading the minimal install of Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10 would install packages such as

              akregator

              cantata

              kmahjongg

              kmail

              kmines

              knotes

              kontact

              konversation

              ksudoku

              libreoffice-base

              libreoffice-calc

              libreoffice-draw

              libreoffice-impress

              libreoffice-math

              and

              libreoffice-writer

              just to list a few well-known packages not present in the minimal install.



              So I filed a bug :(






              share|improve this answer























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                up vote
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                I tested upgrading minimal installs of Ubuntu, Ubuntu Mate (as has N0rbert in the accepted answer) and Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10.



                For each,

                • I downloaded the 18.04.1 iso

                • installed it using the minimal option in a VM

                • ran sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade

                • rebooted

                • changed software sources to notify of normal releases

                • and ran sudo do-release-upgrade



                Then, at the Continue [yN] Details [d]d prompt, I chose to view the details of what was proposed.



                Both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate did not propose to include packages excluded from the minimal install whereas Kubuntu did. Upgrading the minimal install of Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10 would install packages such as

                akregator

                cantata

                kmahjongg

                kmail

                kmines

                knotes

                kontact

                konversation

                ksudoku

                libreoffice-base

                libreoffice-calc

                libreoffice-draw

                libreoffice-impress

                libreoffice-math

                and

                libreoffice-writer

                just to list a few well-known packages not present in the minimal install.



                So I filed a bug :(






                share|improve this answer












                I tested upgrading minimal installs of Ubuntu, Ubuntu Mate (as has N0rbert in the accepted answer) and Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10.



                For each,

                • I downloaded the 18.04.1 iso

                • installed it using the minimal option in a VM

                • ran sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade

                • rebooted

                • changed software sources to notify of normal releases

                • and ran sudo do-release-upgrade



                Then, at the Continue [yN] Details [d]d prompt, I chose to view the details of what was proposed.



                Both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate did not propose to include packages excluded from the minimal install whereas Kubuntu did. Upgrading the minimal install of Kubuntu 18.04 to 18.10 would install packages such as

                akregator

                cantata

                kmahjongg

                kmail

                kmines

                knotes

                kontact

                konversation

                ksudoku

                libreoffice-base

                libreoffice-calc

                libreoffice-draw

                libreoffice-impress

                libreoffice-math

                and

                libreoffice-writer

                just to list a few well-known packages not present in the minimal install.



                So I filed a bug :(







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