Optimization Problem. Find Smallest Perimeter Given Area.
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QUESTION
Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.
MY WORK
I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
begin{align*}
P &= (2x+2y) \
A &= (xcdot y) \
frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
end{align*}
I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!
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QUESTION
Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.
MY WORK
I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
begin{align*}
P &= (2x+2y) \
A &= (xcdot y) \
frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
end{align*}
I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!
calculus derivatives optimization implicit-differentiation
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QUESTION
Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.
MY WORK
I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
begin{align*}
P &= (2x+2y) \
A &= (xcdot y) \
frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
end{align*}
I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!
calculus derivatives optimization implicit-differentiation
QUESTION
Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.
MY WORK
I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
begin{align*}
P &= (2x+2y) \
A &= (xcdot y) \
frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
end{align*}
I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!
calculus derivatives optimization implicit-differentiation
calculus derivatives optimization implicit-differentiation
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Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.
Given area is $xy=1000$
We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
So, $P=2x+2y$
To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.
We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
$$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
$$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$
The above equation does not exist if $y=0$
$$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
$$y^2=1000$$
$$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$
Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$
Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.
We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$
So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.
How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
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@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
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For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
$$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
$$Longrightarrow x=y$$
So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.
Hope it is helpful
How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
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active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.
Given area is $xy=1000$
We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
So, $P=2x+2y$
To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.
We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
$$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
$$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$
The above equation does not exist if $y=0$
$$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
$$y^2=1000$$
$$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$
Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$
Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.
We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$
So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.
How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
1
@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.
Given area is $xy=1000$
We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
So, $P=2x+2y$
To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.
We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
$$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
$$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$
The above equation does not exist if $y=0$
$$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
$$y^2=1000$$
$$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$
Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$
Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.
We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$
So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.
How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
1
@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.
Given area is $xy=1000$
We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
So, $P=2x+2y$
To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.
We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
$$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
$$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$
The above equation does not exist if $y=0$
$$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
$$y^2=1000$$
$$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$
Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$
Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.
We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$
So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.
Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.
Given area is $xy=1000$
We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
So, $P=2x+2y$
To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.
We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
$$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
$$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$
The above equation does not exist if $y=0$
$$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
$$y^2=1000$$
$$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$
Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$
Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.
We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$
So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.
answered Nov 14 at 12:51
Key Flex
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How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
1
@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
add a comment |
How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
1
@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
– GooseDe
Nov 14 at 14:23
1
1
@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
@GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
– Key Flex
Nov 14 at 15:20
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
$$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
$$Longrightarrow x=y$$
So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.
Hope it is helpful
How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
$$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
$$Longrightarrow x=y$$
So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.
Hope it is helpful
How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
$$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
$$Longrightarrow x=y$$
So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.
Hope it is helpful
For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
$$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
$$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
$$Longrightarrow x=y$$
So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.
Hope it is helpful
edited Nov 14 at 12:41
answered Nov 14 at 12:38
Crazy for maths
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How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
add a comment |
How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:39
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
– Toby Mak
Nov 14 at 12:41
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
– irchans
Nov 14 at 12:46
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
– Crazy for maths
Nov 14 at 12:49
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