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I have functions $f: mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}; f(x) = x^2-4x-1$ and $g:mathbb{C} rightarrow mathbb{C}; g(x) = x^5$ and the set $D={z in mathbb{C} | |z|<1}$.
I need to find $f((1,infty))$, $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ and $g(D)$. My instructor taught me a method in which I need to intuitivly find the image/preimage and then to show formally that my intuition is right by double-inclusion. For example I say that $f((1,infty))=[-4,infty)$, and then I would show this by double-inclusion. I find this method very confusing. Is there any method and if not could you please give me some indications. Thank you.










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  • Does $f^{-1}$ mean inverse of $f$?
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  • No, its the preimage .
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I have functions $f: mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}; f(x) = x^2-4x-1$ and $g:mathbb{C} rightarrow mathbb{C}; g(x) = x^5$ and the set $D={z in mathbb{C} | |z|<1}$.
I need to find $f((1,infty))$, $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ and $g(D)$. My instructor taught me a method in which I need to intuitivly find the image/preimage and then to show formally that my intuition is right by double-inclusion. For example I say that $f((1,infty))=[-4,infty)$, and then I would show this by double-inclusion. I find this method very confusing. Is there any method and if not could you please give me some indications. Thank you.










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  • Does $f^{-1}$ mean inverse of $f$?
    – Arnaldo
    Dec 6 '16 at 12:54










  • No, its the preimage .
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:07













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I have functions $f: mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}; f(x) = x^2-4x-1$ and $g:mathbb{C} rightarrow mathbb{C}; g(x) = x^5$ and the set $D={z in mathbb{C} | |z|<1}$.
I need to find $f((1,infty))$, $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ and $g(D)$. My instructor taught me a method in which I need to intuitivly find the image/preimage and then to show formally that my intuition is right by double-inclusion. For example I say that $f((1,infty))=[-4,infty)$, and then I would show this by double-inclusion. I find this method very confusing. Is there any method and if not could you please give me some indications. Thank you.










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I have functions $f: mathbb{R} rightarrow mathbb{R}; f(x) = x^2-4x-1$ and $g:mathbb{C} rightarrow mathbb{C}; g(x) = x^5$ and the set $D={z in mathbb{C} | |z|<1}$.
I need to find $f((1,infty))$, $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ and $g(D)$. My instructor taught me a method in which I need to intuitivly find the image/preimage and then to show formally that my intuition is right by double-inclusion. For example I say that $f((1,infty))=[-4,infty)$, and then I would show this by double-inclusion. I find this method very confusing. Is there any method and if not could you please give me some indications. Thank you.







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  • Does $f^{-1}$ mean inverse of $f$?
    – Arnaldo
    Dec 6 '16 at 12:54










  • No, its the preimage .
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:07


















  • Does $f^{-1}$ mean inverse of $f$?
    – Arnaldo
    Dec 6 '16 at 12:54










  • No, its the preimage .
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:07
















Does $f^{-1}$ mean inverse of $f$?
– Arnaldo
Dec 6 '16 at 12:54




Does $f^{-1}$ mean inverse of $f$?
– Arnaldo
Dec 6 '16 at 12:54












No, its the preimage .
– Raducu Mihai
Dec 6 '16 at 13:07




No, its the preimage .
– Raducu Mihai
Dec 6 '16 at 13:07










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I agree with your instructor. His approach is reasonable here. Now a few hints.



1) Draw a graph of the parabola $f(x) = x^2-4x-1=(x-2)^2-5$.



What are your candidates for
$f((1,infty))$ and $f^{-1}((1,infty))$?



2) As regards $g(z)=z^5$ try to show that $g(D)=D$.



$g(D)subseteq D$ because if $|z|<1$ then $|g(z)|=|z^5|=|z|^5<1$.
For the other inclusion, we have that
if $re^{it}in D$ then $0leq r<1$ and $tin [0,2pi)$.
Can you find $zin D$ such that $z^5=re^{it}$?






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  • I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:18










  • @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
    – Robert Z
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:22












  • The value of $f(2) = -5$
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:24










  • Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
    – Robert Z
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:25












  • Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:25


















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I also agree with your instructor.



$1)$ The graph of $f$ is a parabola with minimal point at $f(2)=-5$ and up concavity. See that $f(1)=-4$:



enter image description here
$A=(1,0)$ give us the point $B=(1,f(1)=-4)$ and then is easy to see that $f((1,infty))=[-5,infty[$. For $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ we have to see what are the values of $x$ such that $f(x) in (1,infty)$. The point $F$ represent the initial point. It is the point such that



$f(x)=1 Rightarrow x^2-4x-1=1 Rightarrow x=2+sqrt{6}$ and $x=2-sqrt{6}$



That means if we take $x<2-sqrt{6}$ or $x>2+sqrt{6}$ we will get $f(x) in (1,infty)$.



$2)$ If $|z|<1$ write $z=r(cosalpha+isinalpha)$, with $r<1$ and $alpha in [0,2pi]$ and then $g(z)=z^5=r^5(cos5alpha+isin5alpha))$ with, $r^5<1$ and $5alpha in [0,5pi]$.






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    I agree with your instructor. His approach is reasonable here. Now a few hints.



    1) Draw a graph of the parabola $f(x) = x^2-4x-1=(x-2)^2-5$.



    What are your candidates for
    $f((1,infty))$ and $f^{-1}((1,infty))$?



    2) As regards $g(z)=z^5$ try to show that $g(D)=D$.



    $g(D)subseteq D$ because if $|z|<1$ then $|g(z)|=|z^5|=|z|^5<1$.
    For the other inclusion, we have that
    if $re^{it}in D$ then $0leq r<1$ and $tin [0,2pi)$.
    Can you find $zin D$ such that $z^5=re^{it}$?






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    • I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:18










    • @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:22












    • The value of $f(2) = -5$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:24










    • Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25












    • Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25















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    I agree with your instructor. His approach is reasonable here. Now a few hints.



    1) Draw a graph of the parabola $f(x) = x^2-4x-1=(x-2)^2-5$.



    What are your candidates for
    $f((1,infty))$ and $f^{-1}((1,infty))$?



    2) As regards $g(z)=z^5$ try to show that $g(D)=D$.



    $g(D)subseteq D$ because if $|z|<1$ then $|g(z)|=|z^5|=|z|^5<1$.
    For the other inclusion, we have that
    if $re^{it}in D$ then $0leq r<1$ and $tin [0,2pi)$.
    Can you find $zin D$ such that $z^5=re^{it}$?






    share|cite|improve this answer























    • I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:18










    • @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:22












    • The value of $f(2) = -5$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:24










    • Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25












    • Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25













    up vote
    0
    down vote










    up vote
    0
    down vote









    I agree with your instructor. His approach is reasonable here. Now a few hints.



    1) Draw a graph of the parabola $f(x) = x^2-4x-1=(x-2)^2-5$.



    What are your candidates for
    $f((1,infty))$ and $f^{-1}((1,infty))$?



    2) As regards $g(z)=z^5$ try to show that $g(D)=D$.



    $g(D)subseteq D$ because if $|z|<1$ then $|g(z)|=|z^5|=|z|^5<1$.
    For the other inclusion, we have that
    if $re^{it}in D$ then $0leq r<1$ and $tin [0,2pi)$.
    Can you find $zin D$ such that $z^5=re^{it}$?






    share|cite|improve this answer














    I agree with your instructor. His approach is reasonable here. Now a few hints.



    1) Draw a graph of the parabola $f(x) = x^2-4x-1=(x-2)^2-5$.



    What are your candidates for
    $f((1,infty))$ and $f^{-1}((1,infty))$?



    2) As regards $g(z)=z^5$ try to show that $g(D)=D$.



    $g(D)subseteq D$ because if $|z|<1$ then $|g(z)|=|z^5|=|z|^5<1$.
    For the other inclusion, we have that
    if $re^{it}in D$ then $0leq r<1$ and $tin [0,2pi)$.
    Can you find $zin D$ such that $z^5=re^{it}$?







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    • I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:18










    • @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:22












    • The value of $f(2) = -5$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:24










    • Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25












    • Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25


















    • I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:18










    • @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:22












    • The value of $f(2) = -5$
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:24










    • Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25












    • Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
      – Raducu Mihai
      Dec 6 '16 at 13:25
















    I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:18




    I graphed the function using this site desmos.com/calculator . And it looks like $f((1,infty)) = [-4,infty)$
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:18












    @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
    – Robert Z
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:22






    @Raducu Mihai What is the value of $f(2)$?
    – Robert Z
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:22














    The value of $f(2) = -5$
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:24




    The value of $f(2) = -5$
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:24












    Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
    – Robert Z
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:25






    Now $2in(1,infty)$ but $-5not in [-4,+infty)$. Something is wrong in your answer.
    – Robert Z
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:25














    Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:25




    Oook I got it. The interval is open at 1. Yeah I see now
    – Raducu Mihai
    Dec 6 '16 at 13:25










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    0
    down vote













    I also agree with your instructor.



    $1)$ The graph of $f$ is a parabola with minimal point at $f(2)=-5$ and up concavity. See that $f(1)=-4$:



    enter image description here
    $A=(1,0)$ give us the point $B=(1,f(1)=-4)$ and then is easy to see that $f((1,infty))=[-5,infty[$. For $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ we have to see what are the values of $x$ such that $f(x) in (1,infty)$. The point $F$ represent the initial point. It is the point such that



    $f(x)=1 Rightarrow x^2-4x-1=1 Rightarrow x=2+sqrt{6}$ and $x=2-sqrt{6}$



    That means if we take $x<2-sqrt{6}$ or $x>2+sqrt{6}$ we will get $f(x) in (1,infty)$.



    $2)$ If $|z|<1$ write $z=r(cosalpha+isinalpha)$, with $r<1$ and $alpha in [0,2pi]$ and then $g(z)=z^5=r^5(cos5alpha+isin5alpha))$ with, $r^5<1$ and $5alpha in [0,5pi]$.






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      I also agree with your instructor.



      $1)$ The graph of $f$ is a parabola with minimal point at $f(2)=-5$ and up concavity. See that $f(1)=-4$:



      enter image description here
      $A=(1,0)$ give us the point $B=(1,f(1)=-4)$ and then is easy to see that $f((1,infty))=[-5,infty[$. For $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ we have to see what are the values of $x$ such that $f(x) in (1,infty)$. The point $F$ represent the initial point. It is the point such that



      $f(x)=1 Rightarrow x^2-4x-1=1 Rightarrow x=2+sqrt{6}$ and $x=2-sqrt{6}$



      That means if we take $x<2-sqrt{6}$ or $x>2+sqrt{6}$ we will get $f(x) in (1,infty)$.



      $2)$ If $|z|<1$ write $z=r(cosalpha+isinalpha)$, with $r<1$ and $alpha in [0,2pi]$ and then $g(z)=z^5=r^5(cos5alpha+isin5alpha))$ with, $r^5<1$ and $5alpha in [0,5pi]$.






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        I also agree with your instructor.



        $1)$ The graph of $f$ is a parabola with minimal point at $f(2)=-5$ and up concavity. See that $f(1)=-4$:



        enter image description here
        $A=(1,0)$ give us the point $B=(1,f(1)=-4)$ and then is easy to see that $f((1,infty))=[-5,infty[$. For $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ we have to see what are the values of $x$ such that $f(x) in (1,infty)$. The point $F$ represent the initial point. It is the point such that



        $f(x)=1 Rightarrow x^2-4x-1=1 Rightarrow x=2+sqrt{6}$ and $x=2-sqrt{6}$



        That means if we take $x<2-sqrt{6}$ or $x>2+sqrt{6}$ we will get $f(x) in (1,infty)$.



        $2)$ If $|z|<1$ write $z=r(cosalpha+isinalpha)$, with $r<1$ and $alpha in [0,2pi]$ and then $g(z)=z^5=r^5(cos5alpha+isin5alpha))$ with, $r^5<1$ and $5alpha in [0,5pi]$.






        share|cite|improve this answer














        I also agree with your instructor.



        $1)$ The graph of $f$ is a parabola with minimal point at $f(2)=-5$ and up concavity. See that $f(1)=-4$:



        enter image description here
        $A=(1,0)$ give us the point $B=(1,f(1)=-4)$ and then is easy to see that $f((1,infty))=[-5,infty[$. For $f^{-1}((1,infty))$ we have to see what are the values of $x$ such that $f(x) in (1,infty)$. The point $F$ represent the initial point. It is the point such that



        $f(x)=1 Rightarrow x^2-4x-1=1 Rightarrow x=2+sqrt{6}$ and $x=2-sqrt{6}$



        That means if we take $x<2-sqrt{6}$ or $x>2+sqrt{6}$ we will get $f(x) in (1,infty)$.



        $2)$ If $|z|<1$ write $z=r(cosalpha+isinalpha)$, with $r<1$ and $alpha in [0,2pi]$ and then $g(z)=z^5=r^5(cos5alpha+isin5alpha))$ with, $r^5<1$ and $5alpha in [0,5pi]$.







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