What is the condition that $e^x=ax+a-1$ has non-negative solution?
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Consider the equation $e^x=ax+a-1$ for $aleq 2$. What is the condition that there exists a $xgeq 0$ as the solution of this equation? What are the solutions?
calculus systems-of-equations roots
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Consider the equation $e^x=ax+a-1$ for $aleq 2$. What is the condition that there exists a $xgeq 0$ as the solution of this equation? What are the solutions?
calculus systems-of-equations roots
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Can you please tell what methods have you tried to solve this question?
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– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 9:53
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Minimize the function over $x geq 0$. You can see that there is non-negative zero iff $aln , a geq 1$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 9:58
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Consider the equation $e^x=ax+a-1$ for $aleq 2$. What is the condition that there exists a $xgeq 0$ as the solution of this equation? What are the solutions?
calculus systems-of-equations roots
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Consider the equation $e^x=ax+a-1$ for $aleq 2$. What is the condition that there exists a $xgeq 0$ as the solution of this equation? What are the solutions?
calculus systems-of-equations roots
calculus systems-of-equations roots
asked Dec 28 '18 at 9:51
Math_YMath_Y
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Can you please tell what methods have you tried to solve this question?
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– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 9:53
1
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Minimize the function over $x geq 0$. You can see that there is non-negative zero iff $aln , a geq 1$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 9:58
add a comment |
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Can you please tell what methods have you tried to solve this question?
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– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 9:53
1
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Minimize the function over $x geq 0$. You can see that there is non-negative zero iff $aln , a geq 1$.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 9:58
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Can you please tell what methods have you tried to solve this question?
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– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 9:53
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Can you please tell what methods have you tried to solve this question?
$endgroup$
– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 9:53
1
1
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Minimize the function over $x geq 0$. You can see that there is non-negative zero iff $aln , a geq 1$.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 9:58
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Minimize the function over $x geq 0$. You can see that there is non-negative zero iff $aln , a geq 1$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 9:58
add a comment |
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Hint: Thw solution can be written using the LambertW function:
$$x=-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{
frac {a-1}{a}}
$$
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It is not related to amount of $a$?
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– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
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Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
2
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IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
add a comment |
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Hint :
Let $f(x)$ be a function $f : [0,+infty) to mathbb R$ such that :
$$f(x) = e^x-ax-a+1$$
The function $f$ is differentiable over $[0,+infty)$ with :
$$f'(x) = e^x -a implies f'(x)=0 Leftrightarrow x = ln a$$
Now, investigate cases to see what happens for $a leq 2$. Be careful for $a<0$ though, as the solution to the derivative won't exist and a different case holds.
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you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
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– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
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Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
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– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
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@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
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– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
add a comment |
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Hint:
The equation can be written
$$frac{e^x+1}{x+1}=a$$ and a plot clearly shows where the positive solutions for $ale2$ lie.
Now you have to show that the LHS decreases from $2$ at $x=0$ to a single minimum, which delimits the useful range.
The location of the minimum cannot be expressed with a closed-form expression, but you can relate it to the function value, and draw a simple condition.
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add a comment |
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Hint: Thw solution can be written using the LambertW function:
$$x=-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{
frac {a-1}{a}}
$$
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It is not related to amount of $a$?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
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Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
2
$begingroup$
IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint: Thw solution can be written using the LambertW function:
$$x=-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{
frac {a-1}{a}}
$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
It is not related to amount of $a$?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
$begingroup$
Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
2
$begingroup$
IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint: Thw solution can be written using the LambertW function:
$$x=-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{
frac {a-1}{a}}
$$
$endgroup$
Hint: Thw solution can be written using the LambertW function:
$$x=-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{
frac {a-1}{a}}
$$
edited Dec 28 '18 at 10:52
answered Dec 28 '18 at 10:36
Dr. Sonnhard GraubnerDr. Sonnhard Graubner
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It is not related to amount of $a$?
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– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
$begingroup$
Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
2
$begingroup$
IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It is not related to amount of $a$?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
$begingroup$
Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
2
$begingroup$
IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
$begingroup$
It is not related to amount of $a$?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
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It is not related to amount of $a$?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:48
$begingroup$
Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
$begingroup$
Sorry it was only an exemple the solution has to be $$-{rm W} left(-{frac {1}{a}{{rm e}^{-{frac {a-1}{a}}}}}right)-{ frac {a-1}{a}} $$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:51
2
2
$begingroup$
IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
$begingroup$
IMO, this brings you farther from the solution than the original setting of the question.
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Dec 28 '18 at 12:45
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint :
Let $f(x)$ be a function $f : [0,+infty) to mathbb R$ such that :
$$f(x) = e^x-ax-a+1$$
The function $f$ is differentiable over $[0,+infty)$ with :
$$f'(x) = e^x -a implies f'(x)=0 Leftrightarrow x = ln a$$
Now, investigate cases to see what happens for $a leq 2$. Be careful for $a<0$ though, as the solution to the derivative won't exist and a different case holds.
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you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
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– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
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Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
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@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
$endgroup$
– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint :
Let $f(x)$ be a function $f : [0,+infty) to mathbb R$ such that :
$$f(x) = e^x-ax-a+1$$
The function $f$ is differentiable over $[0,+infty)$ with :
$$f'(x) = e^x -a implies f'(x)=0 Leftrightarrow x = ln a$$
Now, investigate cases to see what happens for $a leq 2$. Be careful for $a<0$ though, as the solution to the derivative won't exist and a different case holds.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
$begingroup$
@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
$endgroup$
– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
$begingroup$
Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
$begingroup$
@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
$endgroup$
– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint :
Let $f(x)$ be a function $f : [0,+infty) to mathbb R$ such that :
$$f(x) = e^x-ax-a+1$$
The function $f$ is differentiable over $[0,+infty)$ with :
$$f'(x) = e^x -a implies f'(x)=0 Leftrightarrow x = ln a$$
Now, investigate cases to see what happens for $a leq 2$. Be careful for $a<0$ though, as the solution to the derivative won't exist and a different case holds.
$endgroup$
Hint :
Let $f(x)$ be a function $f : [0,+infty) to mathbb R$ such that :
$$f(x) = e^x-ax-a+1$$
The function $f$ is differentiable over $[0,+infty)$ with :
$$f'(x) = e^x -a implies f'(x)=0 Leftrightarrow x = ln a$$
Now, investigate cases to see what happens for $a leq 2$. Be careful for $a<0$ though, as the solution to the derivative won't exist and a different case holds.
edited Dec 28 '18 at 10:21
answered Dec 28 '18 at 10:03
RebellosRebellos
15.7k31250
15.7k31250
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you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
$begingroup$
@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
$endgroup$
– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
$begingroup$
Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
$begingroup$
@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
$endgroup$
– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
$begingroup$
@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
$endgroup$
– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
$begingroup$
Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
$begingroup$
@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
$endgroup$
– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
$begingroup$
you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
$begingroup$
you must also consider the case if $$a<0$$
$endgroup$
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Dec 28 '18 at 10:08
$begingroup$
@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
$endgroup$
– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
$begingroup$
@Dr.SonnhardGraubner Yes, in that case the equation $f'(x) = 0$ has no solutions and is also $f'(x) >0$.
$endgroup$
– Rebellos
Dec 28 '18 at 10:10
$begingroup$
Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
$begingroup$
Thank you very much. There exists a closed form relation for the solutions?
$endgroup$
– Math_Y
Dec 28 '18 at 10:29
$begingroup$
@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
$endgroup$
– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
$begingroup$
@Math_Y: There is a closed form: $age e^{W(1)}$ where $W$ is the Lambert W function. This comes from the equation $aln a=1$, or equivalently $a^a=e$.
$endgroup$
– Rory Daulton
Dec 28 '18 at 15:34
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint:
The equation can be written
$$frac{e^x+1}{x+1}=a$$ and a plot clearly shows where the positive solutions for $ale2$ lie.
Now you have to show that the LHS decreases from $2$ at $x=0$ to a single minimum, which delimits the useful range.
The location of the minimum cannot be expressed with a closed-form expression, but you can relate it to the function value, and draw a simple condition.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint:
The equation can be written
$$frac{e^x+1}{x+1}=a$$ and a plot clearly shows where the positive solutions for $ale2$ lie.
Now you have to show that the LHS decreases from $2$ at $x=0$ to a single minimum, which delimits the useful range.
The location of the minimum cannot be expressed with a closed-form expression, but you can relate it to the function value, and draw a simple condition.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint:
The equation can be written
$$frac{e^x+1}{x+1}=a$$ and a plot clearly shows where the positive solutions for $ale2$ lie.
Now you have to show that the LHS decreases from $2$ at $x=0$ to a single minimum, which delimits the useful range.
The location of the minimum cannot be expressed with a closed-form expression, but you can relate it to the function value, and draw a simple condition.
$endgroup$
Hint:
The equation can be written
$$frac{e^x+1}{x+1}=a$$ and a plot clearly shows where the positive solutions for $ale2$ lie.
Now you have to show that the LHS decreases from $2$ at $x=0$ to a single minimum, which delimits the useful range.
The location of the minimum cannot be expressed with a closed-form expression, but you can relate it to the function value, and draw a simple condition.
edited Dec 28 '18 at 12:54
answered Dec 28 '18 at 12:42
Yves DaoustYves Daoust
133k676231
133k676231
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Can you please tell what methods have you tried to solve this question?
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– Jaideep Khare
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Minimize the function over $x geq 0$. You can see that there is non-negative zero iff $aln , a geq 1$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 9:58