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Let $$a_1=3quad , quad a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}$$
Show that $a_n$ converges.



I know that I need to prove that $a_n$ is monotonic and bounded.



I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that $L=2$, hence claiming two claims:





  1. $a_nge 2$ (I know that 0 is a simpler bound)


  2. $a_n$ is monotonically decreasing.


Now, if I can prove the first claim. then I can write $$a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{a_n^2}le frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{4}=a_n$$ which proves the second claim.



My only problem is proving the first one. If it is not the right direction, please hint me.










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  • I think it oscillates above and below 2, but I might be wrong
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • @mathworker21, it does not.
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:09










  • 1. You write "I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that L=2". That is wrong. Show us your calculation.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:32










  • 2. Why do you think you have to use monotonicity? There are convergent sequences that are no monotone.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:33










  • @miracle173, let $displaystyle lim_{ntoinfty}a_n=L$, then applying limit to both sides gives the equation $$L=frac{3L}{4}+frac{1}{L}iff L^2=4iff L=pm 2$$ and clearly $a_n>0$, thus $L=2$. Also, I have not written the question as it given - it asks "show that the sequence is monotonic and bounded, thus converges".
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    Nov 13 at 10:25















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Let $$a_1=3quad , quad a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}$$
Show that $a_n$ converges.



I know that I need to prove that $a_n$ is monotonic and bounded.



I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that $L=2$, hence claiming two claims:





  1. $a_nge 2$ (I know that 0 is a simpler bound)


  2. $a_n$ is monotonically decreasing.


Now, if I can prove the first claim. then I can write $$a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{a_n^2}le frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{4}=a_n$$ which proves the second claim.



My only problem is proving the first one. If it is not the right direction, please hint me.










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  • I think it oscillates above and below 2, but I might be wrong
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • @mathworker21, it does not.
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:09










  • 1. You write "I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that L=2". That is wrong. Show us your calculation.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:32










  • 2. Why do you think you have to use monotonicity? There are convergent sequences that are no monotone.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:33










  • @miracle173, let $displaystyle lim_{ntoinfty}a_n=L$, then applying limit to both sides gives the equation $$L=frac{3L}{4}+frac{1}{L}iff L^2=4iff L=pm 2$$ and clearly $a_n>0$, thus $L=2$. Also, I have not written the question as it given - it asks "show that the sequence is monotonic and bounded, thus converges".
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 10:25













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Let $$a_1=3quad , quad a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}$$
Show that $a_n$ converges.



I know that I need to prove that $a_n$ is monotonic and bounded.



I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that $L=2$, hence claiming two claims:





  1. $a_nge 2$ (I know that 0 is a simpler bound)


  2. $a_n$ is monotonically decreasing.


Now, if I can prove the first claim. then I can write $$a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{a_n^2}le frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{4}=a_n$$ which proves the second claim.



My only problem is proving the first one. If it is not the right direction, please hint me.










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Let $$a_1=3quad , quad a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}$$
Show that $a_n$ converges.



I know that I need to prove that $a_n$ is monotonic and bounded.



I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that $L=2$, hence claiming two claims:





  1. $a_nge 2$ (I know that 0 is a simpler bound)


  2. $a_n$ is monotonically decreasing.


Now, if I can prove the first claim. then I can write $$a_{n+1}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}=frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{a_n^2}le frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{a_n}{4}=a_n$$ which proves the second claim.



My only problem is proving the first one. If it is not the right direction, please hint me.







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  • I think it oscillates above and below 2, but I might be wrong
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • @mathworker21, it does not.
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:09










  • 1. You write "I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that L=2". That is wrong. Show us your calculation.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:32










  • 2. Why do you think you have to use monotonicity? There are convergent sequences that are no monotone.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:33










  • @miracle173, let $displaystyle lim_{ntoinfty}a_n=L$, then applying limit to both sides gives the equation $$L=frac{3L}{4}+frac{1}{L}iff L^2=4iff L=pm 2$$ and clearly $a_n>0$, thus $L=2$. Also, I have not written the question as it given - it asks "show that the sequence is monotonic and bounded, thus converges".
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 10:25


















  • I think it oscillates above and below 2, but I might be wrong
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • @mathworker21, it does not.
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:09










  • 1. You write "I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that L=2". That is wrong. Show us your calculation.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:32










  • 2. Why do you think you have to use monotonicity? There are convergent sequences that are no monotone.
    – miracle173
    Nov 13 at 9:33










  • @miracle173, let $displaystyle lim_{ntoinfty}a_n=L$, then applying limit to both sides gives the equation $$L=frac{3L}{4}+frac{1}{L}iff L^2=4iff L=pm 2$$ and clearly $a_n>0$, thus $L=2$. Also, I have not written the question as it given - it asks "show that the sequence is monotonic and bounded, thus converges".
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 10:25
















I think it oscillates above and below 2, but I might be wrong
– mathworker21
Nov 13 at 8:08




I think it oscillates above and below 2, but I might be wrong
– mathworker21
Nov 13 at 8:08












@mathworker21, it does not.
– y12
Nov 13 at 8:09




@mathworker21, it does not.
– y12
Nov 13 at 8:09












1. You write "I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that L=2". That is wrong. Show us your calculation.
– miracle173
Nov 13 at 9:32




1. You write "I've assumed that the limit exists, made the calculation and get that L=2". That is wrong. Show us your calculation.
– miracle173
Nov 13 at 9:32












2. Why do you think you have to use monotonicity? There are convergent sequences that are no monotone.
– miracle173
Nov 13 at 9:33




2. Why do you think you have to use monotonicity? There are convergent sequences that are no monotone.
– miracle173
Nov 13 at 9:33












@miracle173, let $displaystyle lim_{ntoinfty}a_n=L$, then applying limit to both sides gives the equation $$L=frac{3L}{4}+frac{1}{L}iff L^2=4iff L=pm 2$$ and clearly $a_n>0$, thus $L=2$. Also, I have not written the question as it given - it asks "show that the sequence is monotonic and bounded, thus converges".
– y12
Nov 13 at 10:25




@miracle173, let $displaystyle lim_{ntoinfty}a_n=L$, then applying limit to both sides gives the equation $$L=frac{3L}{4}+frac{1}{L}iff L^2=4iff L=pm 2$$ and clearly $a_n>0$, thus $L=2$. Also, I have not written the question as it given - it asks "show that the sequence is monotonic and bounded, thus converges".
– y12
Nov 13 at 10:25










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To show boundedness from below, you may use AM-GM:
$$frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}geq 2 sqrt{frac{3a_n}{4}cdot frac{1}{a_n}}= sqrt{3}$$
For convergence you may proceed as follows:





  • $f(x) = frac{3x}{4} + frac{1}{x}$ has a fixpoint for $x^{star} = 2$

  • $f'(x) = frac{3}{4}-frac{1}{x^2}$

  • A quick calculation shows that $|f'(x)| < 1$ for $x > frac{2}{sqrt{7}} Rightarrow |f'(x)| leq color{blue}{q} < 1$ for $x geq sqrt{3}$


So, for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ you get
$$|2-a_{n+1}| = |f'(xi_n)||2-a_n| < color{blue}{q} |2-a_n| < color{blue}{q^n}|2-a_1|stackrel{nto infty}{longrightarrow}0 $$



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Specifically for your question concerning $a_n geq 2$:
$$ color{blue}{a_{n+1}-2} = frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n} - left(frac{3cdot 2}{4}+frac{1}{2} right)= frac{3}{4}left( a_n - 2 right) - frac{a_n - 2}{2a_n}$$
$$ = left(frac{3}{4} - frac{1}{2a_n} right)(a_n -2) stackrel{color{blue}{a_n geq 2}}{geq} frac{1}{2}(a_n -2) color{blue}{geq 0}$$






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  • "show that $a_n$ converges"
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  • A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:10










  • @y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
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  • @y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
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The inequality $ x geq 2$ implies $frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x geq 2$ because$frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x$ is increasing on $x >frac 2 {sqrt3}$ (and $frac {3times 2} 4+frac 1 2 =2$). This gives (by induction) $a_n geq 2$ for all $n$.






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  • Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
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  • No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
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  • Kavi Rama.Thanks.
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Let $a_n=2+d_n .$ Then $$d_{n+1}=3(2+d_n)/4+ 1/(2+d_n)-2.$$ Use some elementary algebra on this to show that $d_n>0implies d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$



So by induction on $n,$ if $0<a_1-2=d_1$ then $a_n$ decreases strictly to a limit $Lgeq 2.$






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  • You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
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To show boundedness from below, you may use AM-GM:
$$frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}geq 2 sqrt{frac{3a_n}{4}cdot frac{1}{a_n}}= sqrt{3}$$
For convergence you may proceed as follows:





  • $f(x) = frac{3x}{4} + frac{1}{x}$ has a fixpoint for $x^{star} = 2$

  • $f'(x) = frac{3}{4}-frac{1}{x^2}$

  • A quick calculation shows that $|f'(x)| < 1$ for $x > frac{2}{sqrt{7}} Rightarrow |f'(x)| leq color{blue}{q} < 1$ for $x geq sqrt{3}$


So, for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ you get
$$|2-a_{n+1}| = |f'(xi_n)||2-a_n| < color{blue}{q} |2-a_n| < color{blue}{q^n}|2-a_1|stackrel{nto infty}{longrightarrow}0 $$



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Specifically for your question concerning $a_n geq 2$:
$$ color{blue}{a_{n+1}-2} = frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n} - left(frac{3cdot 2}{4}+frac{1}{2} right)= frac{3}{4}left( a_n - 2 right) - frac{a_n - 2}{2a_n}$$
$$ = left(frac{3}{4} - frac{1}{2a_n} right)(a_n -2) stackrel{color{blue}{a_n geq 2}}{geq} frac{1}{2}(a_n -2) color{blue}{geq 0}$$






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  • "show that $a_n$ converges"
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  • A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:10










  • @y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 8:31










  • I'm not allowed to use functions...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:44










  • @y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 10:51















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To show boundedness from below, you may use AM-GM:
$$frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}geq 2 sqrt{frac{3a_n}{4}cdot frac{1}{a_n}}= sqrt{3}$$
For convergence you may proceed as follows:





  • $f(x) = frac{3x}{4} + frac{1}{x}$ has a fixpoint for $x^{star} = 2$

  • $f'(x) = frac{3}{4}-frac{1}{x^2}$

  • A quick calculation shows that $|f'(x)| < 1$ for $x > frac{2}{sqrt{7}} Rightarrow |f'(x)| leq color{blue}{q} < 1$ for $x geq sqrt{3}$


So, for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ you get
$$|2-a_{n+1}| = |f'(xi_n)||2-a_n| < color{blue}{q} |2-a_n| < color{blue}{q^n}|2-a_1|stackrel{nto infty}{longrightarrow}0 $$



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Specifically for your question concerning $a_n geq 2$:
$$ color{blue}{a_{n+1}-2} = frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n} - left(frac{3cdot 2}{4}+frac{1}{2} right)= frac{3}{4}left( a_n - 2 right) - frac{a_n - 2}{2a_n}$$
$$ = left(frac{3}{4} - frac{1}{2a_n} right)(a_n -2) stackrel{color{blue}{a_n geq 2}}{geq} frac{1}{2}(a_n -2) color{blue}{geq 0}$$






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  • "show that $a_n$ converges"
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:10










  • @y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 8:31










  • I'm not allowed to use functions...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:44










  • @y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 10:51













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To show boundedness from below, you may use AM-GM:
$$frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}geq 2 sqrt{frac{3a_n}{4}cdot frac{1}{a_n}}= sqrt{3}$$
For convergence you may proceed as follows:





  • $f(x) = frac{3x}{4} + frac{1}{x}$ has a fixpoint for $x^{star} = 2$

  • $f'(x) = frac{3}{4}-frac{1}{x^2}$

  • A quick calculation shows that $|f'(x)| < 1$ for $x > frac{2}{sqrt{7}} Rightarrow |f'(x)| leq color{blue}{q} < 1$ for $x geq sqrt{3}$


So, for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ you get
$$|2-a_{n+1}| = |f'(xi_n)||2-a_n| < color{blue}{q} |2-a_n| < color{blue}{q^n}|2-a_1|stackrel{nto infty}{longrightarrow}0 $$



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Specifically for your question concerning $a_n geq 2$:
$$ color{blue}{a_{n+1}-2} = frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n} - left(frac{3cdot 2}{4}+frac{1}{2} right)= frac{3}{4}left( a_n - 2 right) - frac{a_n - 2}{2a_n}$$
$$ = left(frac{3}{4} - frac{1}{2a_n} right)(a_n -2) stackrel{color{blue}{a_n geq 2}}{geq} frac{1}{2}(a_n -2) color{blue}{geq 0}$$






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To show boundedness from below, you may use AM-GM:
$$frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n}geq 2 sqrt{frac{3a_n}{4}cdot frac{1}{a_n}}= sqrt{3}$$
For convergence you may proceed as follows:





  • $f(x) = frac{3x}{4} + frac{1}{x}$ has a fixpoint for $x^{star} = 2$

  • $f'(x) = frac{3}{4}-frac{1}{x^2}$

  • A quick calculation shows that $|f'(x)| < 1$ for $x > frac{2}{sqrt{7}} Rightarrow |f'(x)| leq color{blue}{q} < 1$ for $x geq sqrt{3}$


So, for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ you get
$$|2-a_{n+1}| = |f'(xi_n)||2-a_n| < color{blue}{q} |2-a_n| < color{blue}{q^n}|2-a_1|stackrel{nto infty}{longrightarrow}0 $$



Edit after comment:



Specifically for your question concerning $a_n geq 2$:
$$ color{blue}{a_{n+1}-2} = frac{3a_n}{4}+frac{1}{a_n} - left(frac{3cdot 2}{4}+frac{1}{2} right)= frac{3}{4}left( a_n - 2 right) - frac{a_n - 2}{2a_n}$$
$$ = left(frac{3}{4} - frac{1}{2a_n} right)(a_n -2) stackrel{color{blue}{a_n geq 2}}{geq} frac{1}{2}(a_n -2) color{blue}{geq 0}$$







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  • "show that $a_n$ converges"
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:10










  • @y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 8:31










  • I'm not allowed to use functions...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:44










  • @y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 10:51


















  • "show that $a_n$ converges"
    – mathworker21
    Nov 13 at 8:08










  • A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:10










  • @y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 8:31










  • I'm not allowed to use functions...
    – y12
    Nov 13 at 8:44










  • @y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
    – trancelocation
    Nov 13 at 10:51
















"show that $a_n$ converges"
– mathworker21
Nov 13 at 8:08




"show that $a_n$ converges"
– mathworker21
Nov 13 at 8:08












A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
– y12
Nov 13 at 8:10




A simpler lower bound for $a_n$ is $0$, but from that I cannot show that $a_n$ decreases...
– y12
Nov 13 at 8:10












@y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
– trancelocation
Nov 13 at 8:31




@y12: Yes. But the lower bound $sqrt{3}$ is very useful for showing that the iteration converges for any starting value $a_0 > 0$ to the positive fixpoint of $f$, because $a_1 geq sqrt{3} > frac{2}{sqrt{7}}$.
– trancelocation
Nov 13 at 8:31












I'm not allowed to use functions...
– y12
Nov 13 at 8:44




I'm not allowed to use functions...
– y12
Nov 13 at 8:44












@y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
– trancelocation
Nov 13 at 10:51




@y12: I added something concerning your specific question.
– trancelocation
Nov 13 at 10:51










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The inequality $ x geq 2$ implies $frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x geq 2$ because$frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x$ is increasing on $x >frac 2 {sqrt3}$ (and $frac {3times 2} 4+frac 1 2 =2$). This gives (by induction) $a_n geq 2$ for all $n$.






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  • Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 11:19










  • No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 13 at 11:52












  • Kavi Rama.Thanks.
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 12:32















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The inequality $ x geq 2$ implies $frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x geq 2$ because$frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x$ is increasing on $x >frac 2 {sqrt3}$ (and $frac {3times 2} 4+frac 1 2 =2$). This gives (by induction) $a_n geq 2$ for all $n$.






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  • Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 11:19










  • No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 13 at 11:52












  • Kavi Rama.Thanks.
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 12:32













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The inequality $ x geq 2$ implies $frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x geq 2$ because$frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x$ is increasing on $x >frac 2 {sqrt3}$ (and $frac {3times 2} 4+frac 1 2 =2$). This gives (by induction) $a_n geq 2$ for all $n$.






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The inequality $ x geq 2$ implies $frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x geq 2$ because$frac {3x} 4+frac 1 x$ is increasing on $x >frac 2 {sqrt3}$ (and $frac {3times 2} 4+frac 1 2 =2$). This gives (by induction) $a_n geq 2$ for all $n$.







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answered Nov 13 at 8:20









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  • Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 11:19










  • No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 13 at 11:52












  • Kavi Rama.Thanks.
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 12:32


















  • Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 11:19










  • No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Nov 13 at 11:52












  • Kavi Rama.Thanks.
    – Peter Szilas
    Nov 13 at 12:32
















Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
– Peter Szilas
Nov 13 at 11:19




Kavi Rama.You show (nicely) that for $xge 2$ your function is increasing.But $a_n$ is decreasing . Could go below $2$? By AM-GM $ge √3$.Your thoughts , thanks, Peter m.wolframalpha.com/input/…
– Peter Szilas
Nov 13 at 11:19












No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 11:52






No, it cannot. $a_n geq 2$ implies $frac {3a_n} 4+frac 1 {a_n} geq frac {(3)(2)} 4+frac 1 2 =2$. Use induction to conclude that every $a_n geq 2$.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 11:52














Kavi Rama.Thanks.
– Peter Szilas
Nov 13 at 12:32




Kavi Rama.Thanks.
– Peter Szilas
Nov 13 at 12:32










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Let $a_n=2+d_n .$ Then $$d_{n+1}=3(2+d_n)/4+ 1/(2+d_n)-2.$$ Use some elementary algebra on this to show that $d_n>0implies d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$



So by induction on $n,$ if $0<a_1-2=d_1$ then $a_n$ decreases strictly to a limit $Lgeq 2.$






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  • You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
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Let $a_n=2+d_n .$ Then $$d_{n+1}=3(2+d_n)/4+ 1/(2+d_n)-2.$$ Use some elementary algebra on this to show that $d_n>0implies d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$



So by induction on $n,$ if $0<a_1-2=d_1$ then $a_n$ decreases strictly to a limit $Lgeq 2.$






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  • You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
    – DanielWainfleet
    Nov 13 at 8:52















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Let $a_n=2+d_n .$ Then $$d_{n+1}=3(2+d_n)/4+ 1/(2+d_n)-2.$$ Use some elementary algebra on this to show that $d_n>0implies d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$



So by induction on $n,$ if $0<a_1-2=d_1$ then $a_n$ decreases strictly to a limit $Lgeq 2.$






share|cite|improve this answer














Let $a_n=2+d_n .$ Then $$d_{n+1}=3(2+d_n)/4+ 1/(2+d_n)-2.$$ Use some elementary algebra on this to show that $d_n>0implies d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$



So by induction on $n,$ if $0<a_1-2=d_1$ then $a_n$ decreases strictly to a limit $Lgeq 2.$







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  • You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
    – DanielWainfleet
    Nov 13 at 8:52




















  • You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
    – DanielWainfleet
    Nov 13 at 8:52


















You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
– DanielWainfleet
Nov 13 at 8:52






You should get (assuming $d_nne -2$) that $d_{n+1}=d_n(frac {3}{4}-frac {1}{4+2d_n}).$ So if $d_n>0$ then $frac {3}{4}d_n>d_{n+1}>0.$
– DanielWainfleet
Nov 13 at 8:52




















 

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