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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.



Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.










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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.



Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.










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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.



Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.










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Trolls are about 30 meters tall on average and can weigh anything between 100 to 200 short tons at sea level. They can only be found to inhabit an island somewhere in the Pacific ocean and are in imminent danger as the volcano is going to erupt at any moment. We must act fast to save them using modern day technology. They can't float, let alone swim, and they are extremely hostile when approached. We need to get them to safety on another island halfway around the globe where they won't endanger anyone. Any solution? I expect zero casualties, short traveling time, and no need to break a bank.



Note: the only scientific miracle is the trolls, hurry time is running out! I have a team with elephant tranquilizer on standby, the effect only last 48 hours and repeated administering of the drug have shown to lead to cardiac arrest for these troll.







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You say the trolls can't float. However ...



Average human mass - 50 kg



Average human height - 173 cm



Average troll mass - 90,700 kg



Average troll height - 30 m



By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.



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If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships. Alternatively fit them with outboard motors.





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Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.



An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.



By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier



so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg



But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.



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    A fleet of varnished trolls would be a very interesting sight.
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    Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
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    @Punintended using the poor critters to build ships would be an atrollcity.
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    Essentially you're describing trolling with trolls.
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From the monster compendium:




Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.




The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.



All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:



Garbage ship



They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.



Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:




Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.







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    Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
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    Maybe more like this ? :-)
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First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.



Then you have two options:





  1. Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.


  2. TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.


I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).



"Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.



How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.






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    How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
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    @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
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    Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
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    @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
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    Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
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Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...



For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.



(considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)






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    This won't work.



    At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...



    Aircraft carriers



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    The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.



    Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.



    Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.



    Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.



    This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).



    It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.






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      The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
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      Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
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      @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
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    1. Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.


    2. How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.


    3. If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.







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      Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
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    Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?



    If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.



    If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.



    If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.






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      the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
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      @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
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      Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
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      @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
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    Don't move the trolls - move the volcano instead. Just blow some undersea nukes near their island until the magma can flow out there. Tsunamis are no problem, as according to Renans answer trolls can only die when in acid or on fire.

    As far as I know, this has never been tried before, so make sure to bring a lot of nukes!



    If you really want to move the trolls, and to do so as quickly as possible, ballistic trajectories seem to be the option of choice. Stun them, pack them into fireproof clothing with a fixed iron belt and shoot them out of a railgun.
    According to this with a 45° launch angel and an initial velocity of 1000m/s you could launch your trolls around 102km away from their home island. To achieve this, you would need a lot of energy:
    E=0.5*m*v²=0.5*150000kg*10^6m²/s² = 75GJ

    Since you only have 48h until the trolls wake up, you'll need a power of
    P=E/t=75GJ/(48*3600s)=434kW

    with an efficiency of let's say η=0.2, we get
    E_eff=E/η=375GJ and
    P_eff=P/η=P*5=2.2MW.

    Producing this energy via a gas turbine reactor, you have a conversion efficieny coefficient of η_th=0.33. For the resulting thermal energy we get
    E_th=E_eff/η_th=1.125TJ
    Using the probalby easily available crude oil as fuel (which has E_s=45MJ/kg), you'll need
    m=E/E_s=25000kg=25 metric tonsof oil.

    This would only cost around 14000 USD, though the reactor, the energy storage, the railgun itself and 100000 fireproof flight suits would probably be much more expensive.

    If you like this idea, I could calculate some more details...






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      Everyone's coming at this the wrong way. You're trying to move them a long distance quickly. The fastest way to handle this is ignore the implied requirements of the question--don't move them halfway around the world, move them to the closest uninhabited island.



      Your vessel of choice is the Russian Mi-26 helicopter. It can lift a troll with capacity to spare, a bit over 300 have been built, I don't know how many are still in service. Trank a troll, lift it to the nearby island. 40 flights should do it, you should have them off in a week or two.



      Now you still have to transport them to their final home but you don't have the volcano breathing down your neck while you do it.



      Once they have had time to recover from the initial dose you trank one again and lift it to a ship. There it's fitted with some very strong and immobilizing restraints. Plenty of ships are capable of hauling 30 ton objects around, getting them to their new home isn't going to be a problem. The restraints are fitted with explosive bolts, you lift them onto the island and fire the bolts. (Note: Explosive bolts do not actually go boom, the charge just rips the bolt from it's anchorage. Whatever trivial damage it suffers when the bolts fire will quickly regenerate.)






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        This question has been answered here:



        https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/63545/are-helicopters-capable-of-carrying-this-type-of-giants



        giants and helicopters



        In the movie The BFG giants are carried by helicopter. The answer on movies stack concludes existing transport helicopters could do the job. I think the trolls in the question may be slightly larger than the movie giants are calculated to be, but 2 helicopters can team up to lift cargo suspended beneath in a net, as the giants are. I found images of helicopters carrying a jumbo jet in this manner.



        As re sedation I suggest ketamine.



        http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/ketamine.asp




        Ketamine is considered a dissociative anesthetic. This means that the drug distorts the
        users perception of sight and sound and produces feelings of
        detachment from the environment and ones self. The drug also has
        anesthetic properties that have been used in both human and veterinary
        medicine, and is currently a Schedule III controlled substance. For
        humans it has been used in radiation and burn therapy, treatment of
        battlefield injuries, and for children who have adverse reactions to
        other anesthetics.




        Ketamine is safe as regards cardiopulmonary toxicity and it is also an excellent veterinary drug if the trolls are closer to animals. They will be awake, breathing, but just chilling out in the net. They will be disinclined to struggle and hurt themselves.



        Also, 10,000 is a lot of trolls. Triage will be necessary. To save the species, you will want to prioritize juveniles - easier to move, possibly less aggressive and with a longer reproductive life. Adult rescue should prioritize mothers of dependent juveniles.





        Large trolls could be moved via drone boat powered floats. Here is a float made of 4 blocks of polystyrene foam adequate to move a 31,000 lb dam part.



        float
        https://univfoam.com/floatation



        You would need more blocks to float a troll but that is fine. Floats can be cheaply assembled with off the shelf parts and attached to drone boats. A satellite uplink will allow random available boats to be converted to drone boats. They will moor off shore. Mockup dummy trolls can be positioned aboard some of the floats so trolls on land will see that trolls can ride these things. When the volcano erupts, trolls will move towards safety. They cannot swim but they are tall and they can wade and the floats are within wading distance. Even if they have not waded, the dummy trolls will hopefully inspire them. They will wade out to the floats and climb on. Once there is a troll passenger the drone boat will head out to sea with troll in tow.



        At sea, trolls who jump around will fall off and drown. Each vessel has only 1 troll passenger at risk. Vessel / float failure means that passenger drowns. Calm and lucky trolls will make the ride in peace.



        If the trolls are too stupid to figure that out, then those remaining after the airlift will not be rescued. If they wade out and destroy the float, too bad for them. If the volcano erupts with such violence there is no time to seek safety, the leftover trolls die and you might lose your floats and drone boats. No humans will be at risk. Cheap boats and cheap floats can be used: low risk, high yield.






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          You say the trolls can't float. However ...



          Average human mass - 50 kg



          Average human height - 173 cm



          Average troll mass - 90,700 kg



          Average troll height - 30 m



          By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.



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          If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships. Alternatively fit them with outboard motors.





          Calculation



          Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.



          An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.



          By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier



          so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg



          But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.



          Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law






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            A fleet of varnished trolls would be a very interesting sight.
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            @Gryphon: Shrink-wrapped would be funnier...
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            Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
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          You say the trolls can't float. However ...



          Average human mass - 50 kg



          Average human height - 173 cm



          Average troll mass - 90,700 kg



          Average troll height - 30 m



          By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.



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          If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships. Alternatively fit them with outboard motors.





          Calculation



          Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.



          An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.



          By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier



          so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg



          But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.



          Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law






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            @Gryphon: Shrink-wrapped would be funnier...
            $endgroup$
            – EvoGamer
            Feb 22 at 17:30






          • 7




            $begingroup$
            Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
            $endgroup$
            – Punintended
            Feb 22 at 17:32






          • 4




            $begingroup$
            @Punintended using the poor critters to build ships would be an atrollcity.
            $endgroup$
            – Renan
            Feb 22 at 18:17








          • 6




            $begingroup$
            Essentially you're describing trolling with trolls.
            $endgroup$
            – Codes with Hammer
            Feb 22 at 19:51














          27












          27








          27





          $begingroup$

          Frame challenge



          You say the trolls can't float. However ...



          Average human mass - 50 kg



          Average human height - 173 cm



          Average troll mass - 90,700 kg



          Average troll height - 30 m



          By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.



          Answer



          If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships. Alternatively fit them with outboard motors.





          Calculation



          Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.



          An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.



          By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier



          so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg



          But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.



          Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Frame challenge



          You say the trolls can't float. However ...



          Average human mass - 50 kg



          Average human height - 173 cm



          Average troll mass - 90,700 kg



          Average troll height - 30 m



          By the square cube law, the trolls weigh very little compared to their height. They will float easily.



          Answer



          If you are worried they are not waterproof then wrap them in polythene or varnish them. Then tow them behind ships. Alternatively fit them with outboard motors.





          Calculation



          Assume for the moment that trolls are made of human flesh which is neutrally buoyant in water.



          An average troll is 17.3 times taller than an average human.



          By the square/cube law, 17.3 times taller means 17.3 cubed times heavier = 5,177 times heavier



          so trolls, if made of flesh should weigh 5177 * 50 = 258,850 kg



          But they only weigh up to about 180,000 kg. Thus their density is at best 0.7 of human flesh so they will float easily.



          Square/cube law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited Feb 22 at 16:32

























          answered Feb 22 at 10:50









          chasly from UKchasly from UK

          17.7k776155




          17.7k776155








          • 16




            $begingroup$
            A fleet of varnished trolls would be a very interesting sight.
            $endgroup$
            – Gryphon
            Feb 22 at 14:47






          • 7




            $begingroup$
            @Gryphon: Shrink-wrapped would be funnier...
            $endgroup$
            – EvoGamer
            Feb 22 at 17:30






          • 7




            $begingroup$
            Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
            $endgroup$
            – Punintended
            Feb 22 at 17:32






          • 4




            $begingroup$
            @Punintended using the poor critters to build ships would be an atrollcity.
            $endgroup$
            – Renan
            Feb 22 at 18:17








          • 6




            $begingroup$
            Essentially you're describing trolling with trolls.
            $endgroup$
            – Codes with Hammer
            Feb 22 at 19:51














          • 16




            $begingroup$
            A fleet of varnished trolls would be a very interesting sight.
            $endgroup$
            – Gryphon
            Feb 22 at 14:47






          • 7




            $begingroup$
            @Gryphon: Shrink-wrapped would be funnier...
            $endgroup$
            – EvoGamer
            Feb 22 at 17:30






          • 7




            $begingroup$
            Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
            $endgroup$
            – Punintended
            Feb 22 at 17:32






          • 4




            $begingroup$
            @Punintended using the poor critters to build ships would be an atrollcity.
            $endgroup$
            – Renan
            Feb 22 at 18:17








          • 6




            $begingroup$
            Essentially you're describing trolling with trolls.
            $endgroup$
            – Codes with Hammer
            Feb 22 at 19:51








          16




          16




          $begingroup$
          A fleet of varnished trolls would be a very interesting sight.
          $endgroup$
          – Gryphon
          Feb 22 at 14:47




          $begingroup$
          A fleet of varnished trolls would be a very interesting sight.
          $endgroup$
          – Gryphon
          Feb 22 at 14:47




          7




          7




          $begingroup$
          @Gryphon: Shrink-wrapped would be funnier...
          $endgroup$
          – EvoGamer
          Feb 22 at 17:30




          $begingroup$
          @Gryphon: Shrink-wrapped would be funnier...
          $endgroup$
          – EvoGamer
          Feb 22 at 17:30




          7




          7




          $begingroup$
          Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
          $endgroup$
          – Punintended
          Feb 22 at 17:32




          $begingroup$
          Minor quibble: If you're using a 1.72 meter human, their weight should be ~70kg. This puts troll density at a max of 55% human density (and a minimum of 27.5%), which makes them much better shipbuilding material than most hardwoods
          $endgroup$
          – Punintended
          Feb 22 at 17:32




          4




          4




          $begingroup$
          @Punintended using the poor critters to build ships would be an atrollcity.
          $endgroup$
          – Renan
          Feb 22 at 18:17






          $begingroup$
          @Punintended using the poor critters to build ships would be an atrollcity.
          $endgroup$
          – Renan
          Feb 22 at 18:17






          6




          6




          $begingroup$
          Essentially you're describing trolling with trolls.
          $endgroup$
          – Codes with Hammer
          Feb 22 at 19:51




          $begingroup$
          Essentially you're describing trolling with trolls.
          $endgroup$
          – Codes with Hammer
          Feb 22 at 19:51











          11












          $begingroup$

          From the monster compendium:




          Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.




          The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.



          All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:



          Garbage ship



          They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.



          Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:




          Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.







          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$









          • 3




            $begingroup$
            Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
            $endgroup$
            – corsiKa
            Feb 23 at 0:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Maybe more like this ? :-)
            $endgroup$
            – Russell McMahon
            Feb 23 at 13:59
















          11












          $begingroup$

          From the monster compendium:




          Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.




          The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.



          All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:



          Garbage ship



          They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.



          Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:




          Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.







          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$









          • 3




            $begingroup$
            Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
            $endgroup$
            – corsiKa
            Feb 23 at 0:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Maybe more like this ? :-)
            $endgroup$
            – Russell McMahon
            Feb 23 at 13:59














          11












          11








          11





          $begingroup$

          From the monster compendium:




          Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.




          The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.



          All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:



          Garbage ship



          They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.



          Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:




          Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.







          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$



          From the monster compendium:




          Regeneration: The troll regains 10 Hit Points at the start of its turn. If the troll takes acid or fire damage, this trait doesn't function at the start of the troll's next turn. The troll dies only if it starts its turn with 0 Hit Points and doesn't Regenerate.




          The magma from the volcano is a legitimate threat to them, since it is hot enough to set organical matter in fire.



          All you need to do is chopping them into little bits and loading the parts onto one of these:



          Garbage ship



          They won't die of starvation, so time is not an issue. Just take your time to whatever destination you have in mind. You will need to keep grinding the little pieces on the way otherwise they will regenerate into full grown trolls.



          Once in the destination just set them free and watch them regrow. You may even have more trolls now since you helped them reproduce:




          Fission, in biology, is the division of a single entity into two or more parts and the regeneration of those parts into separate entities resembling the original.








          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered Feb 22 at 11:35









          RenanRenan

          49.5k13115248




          49.5k13115248








          • 3




            $begingroup$
            Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
            $endgroup$
            – corsiKa
            Feb 23 at 0:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Maybe more like this ? :-)
            $endgroup$
            – Russell McMahon
            Feb 23 at 13:59














          • 3




            $begingroup$
            Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
            $endgroup$
            – corsiKa
            Feb 23 at 0:41






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Maybe more like this ? :-)
            $endgroup$
            – Russell McMahon
            Feb 23 at 13:59








          3




          3




          $begingroup$
          Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
          $endgroup$
          – corsiKa
          Feb 23 at 0:41




          $begingroup$
          Yeah take Renan out of consideration for Secretary of Health. Who do we have for Commerce tho? He'd be a good fit there.
          $endgroup$
          – corsiKa
          Feb 23 at 0:41




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Maybe more like this ? :-)
          $endgroup$
          – Russell McMahon
          Feb 23 at 13:59




          $begingroup$
          Maybe more like this ? :-)
          $endgroup$
          – Russell McMahon
          Feb 23 at 13:59











          6












          $begingroup$

          First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.



          Then you have two options:





          1. Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.


          2. TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.


          I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).



          "Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.



          How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$













          • $begingroup$
            How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:21






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:28










          • $begingroup$
            Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:37








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:41






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
            $endgroup$
            – Whelkaholism
            Feb 22 at 12:45
















          6












          $begingroup$

          First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.



          Then you have two options:





          1. Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.


          2. TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.


          I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).



          "Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.



          How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$













          • $begingroup$
            How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:21






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:28










          • $begingroup$
            Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:37








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:41






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
            $endgroup$
            – Whelkaholism
            Feb 22 at 12:45














          6












          6








          6





          $begingroup$

          First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.



          Then you have two options:





          1. Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.


          2. TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.


          I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).



          "Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.



          How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          First of all, harvest a good amount of sedative. However you transport them, the least thing you want is having 100-200 tons shaking your carrier.



          Then you have two options:





          1. Antonov An-225 Mriya: with a Max takeoff weight of 640,000 kg and a cargo hold 43.35 m (142.2 ft) long × 6.4 m (21 ft) wide × 4.4 m (14 ft) tall, you can use it to transport one troll at a time, traveling at 800 km/h to a range of 4000 km.


          2. TI class supercontainers, currently the four largest ships in the world: they can each carry 3166353 barrels of oil, which roughly correspond to 392627772 kg, or 432798 short tons (about 4000 trolls), at 30 km/h.


          I hope it is clear that option 2 is the most effective: the Antonov would require 10000 trips, while the TI class could do the job in just 3 trips (there are 4 of them, how lucky!).



          "Just" make sure that the trolls are sleeping for the entire length of the trip. Those supercontainers are designed assuming that the oil won't smash the walls in hanger.



          How you get to put them on the carrier is another problem, and for sure I cannot ensure 0 casualties.







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited Feb 22 at 6:27

























          answered Feb 22 at 6:18









          L.DutchL.Dutch

          85.7k28201419




          85.7k28201419












          • $begingroup$
            How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:21






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:28










          • $begingroup$
            Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:37








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:41






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
            $endgroup$
            – Whelkaholism
            Feb 22 at 12:45


















          • $begingroup$
            How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:21






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:28










          • $begingroup$
            Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
            Feb 22 at 6:37








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
            $endgroup$
            – L.Dutch
            Feb 22 at 6:41






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
            $endgroup$
            – Whelkaholism
            Feb 22 at 12:45
















          $begingroup$
          How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
          $endgroup$
          – Cyn
          Feb 22 at 6:21




          $begingroup$
          How would you get a sedated troll into the ship? How would you convince an unsedated troll to climb into a stinky messy room of oil residue, piled high on top of other unconscious trolls? I also challenge your using weight as a measure here, since they'd suffocate if packed in completely and even that wouldn't be the same density as oil.
          $endgroup$
          – Cyn
          Feb 22 at 6:21




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
          $endgroup$
          – L.Dutch
          Feb 22 at 6:28




          $begingroup$
          @Cyn, I could use your same animosity for commenting your answer: or are trolls more willing to board a Nimitz class?
          $endgroup$
          – L.Dutch
          Feb 22 at 6:28












          $begingroup$
          Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
          $endgroup$
          – Cyn
          Feb 22 at 6:37






          $begingroup$
          Damn straight you can. My answer completely doesn't work. I don't think there is any answer that will, with the constraints as given by the OP and modern day tech. I wasn't trying to show animosity (it's late here), just that every answer has serious problems. Mine as much as yours. (I upvoted yours earlier too...it's a smart solution, even if I don't think it will work.)
          $endgroup$
          – Cyn
          Feb 22 at 6:37






          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
          $endgroup$
          – L.Dutch
          Feb 22 at 6:41




          $begingroup$
          @Cyn, no offense taken. Tones are easily misunderstood. OP is asking about transport, and about transport I am trying to answer. The accessory problems are, as said, accessory.
          $endgroup$
          – L.Dutch
          Feb 22 at 6:41




          2




          2




          $begingroup$
          Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
          $endgroup$
          – Whelkaholism
          Feb 22 at 12:45




          $begingroup$
          Cut down on transport by leaving the ones past breeding age. Or at least leaving them until last.
          $endgroup$
          – Whelkaholism
          Feb 22 at 12:45











          3












          $begingroup$

          Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...



          For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.



          (considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)






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          $endgroup$


















            3












            $begingroup$

            Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...



            For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.



            (considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)






            share|improve this answer









            $endgroup$
















              3












              3








              3





              $begingroup$

              Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...



              For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.



              (considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)






              share|improve this answer









              $endgroup$



              Container ship, Ro-Ro, bulk carrier... whatever ship(s) you can get cheaply and quickly...



              For long term transport instead of using elephant tranquilliser (Carfentanil, is a risky opioid), use instead high dosage of first generation antipsychotic agents. They are cheap, (generic) tend to calm down otherwise furious patients very effectively and are mostly safe for long term use. They were tested on wild animals for facilitating their transport and seem fine for this purpose too.



              (considering nasty side effects, better go away before those trolls get off those meds...)







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              answered Feb 22 at 11:42









              Shadow1024Shadow1024

              4,755933




              4,755933























                  2












                  $begingroup$

                  This won't work.



                  At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...



                  Aircraft carriers



                  enter image description here (ref)



                  The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.



                  Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.



                  Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.



                  Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.



                  This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).



                  It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$









                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Sarriesfan
                    Feb 22 at 17:23






                  • 2




                    $begingroup$
                    Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Nuclear Wang
                    Feb 22 at 17:33








                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Cyn
                    Feb 22 at 18:13
















                  2












                  $begingroup$

                  This won't work.



                  At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...



                  Aircraft carriers



                  enter image description here (ref)



                  The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.



                  Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.



                  Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.



                  Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.



                  This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).



                  It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$









                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Sarriesfan
                    Feb 22 at 17:23






                  • 2




                    $begingroup$
                    Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Nuclear Wang
                    Feb 22 at 17:33








                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Cyn
                    Feb 22 at 18:13














                  2












                  2








                  2





                  $begingroup$

                  This won't work.



                  At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...



                  Aircraft carriers



                  enter image description here (ref)



                  The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.



                  Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.



                  Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.



                  Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.



                  This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).



                  It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$



                  This won't work.



                  At least not with the speed you want. But your best bet is...



                  Aircraft carriers



                  enter image description here (ref)



                  The United States has 10 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. Each is designed for 6000 people. If the average person is 65 kg, that is 390,000 kg just in people weight, or 430 short tonnes. Let's call that 3 trolls.



                  Each carries 90 aircraft in the 6,800 kg range each. 6,800 x 90 = 612000 kg = 675 short tonnes = 5 trolls.



                  Take away other things the aircraft carrier can do without for a bit and add back some people and you're looking at about 10 trolls per trip per vessel. Or 100 trolls per trip for the 10 vessel fleet. And those 10 appear to be it for full fledged aircraft carriers, though there are 9 other smaller carriers.



                  Other countries have smaller ones. Russia has 1. UK none right now. France 1. India 2. Japan 3. Australia 2 (or more?). Italy 2. South Korea 1. Brazil 1. Spain 1. Thailand 1. For a total of 15. Assume an average of 6 trolls per trip (just a guess) and that's 90 more trolls per trip.



                  This brings our per trip total to 190 trolls (an estimate of course). Assuming that every country with an aircraft carrier is willing to loan them out for this purpose (after offloading all the planes).



                  It would take 52 trips to transport all 10,000 trolls off the island. Not counting their gear. And assuming they're willing to get on to the carriers. Which you've made clear they are not.







                  share|improve this answer












                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer










                  answered Feb 22 at 6:18









                  CynCyn

                  9,55612246




                  9,55612246








                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Sarriesfan
                    Feb 22 at 17:23






                  • 2




                    $begingroup$
                    Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Nuclear Wang
                    Feb 22 at 17:33








                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Cyn
                    Feb 22 at 18:13














                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Sarriesfan
                    Feb 22 at 17:23






                  • 2




                    $begingroup$
                    Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Nuclear Wang
                    Feb 22 at 17:33








                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Cyn
                    Feb 22 at 18:13








                  1




                  1




                  $begingroup$
                  The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Sarriesfan
                  Feb 22 at 17:23




                  $begingroup$
                  The UK has none fully operational at the moment. But HMS Queen Elizabeth has completed Sea trials and is currently undergoing Flight trials due to be complete in 2020. She might not be fully operational but could in an extreme emergency be put into service.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Sarriesfan
                  Feb 22 at 17:23




                  2




                  2




                  $begingroup$
                  Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
                  $endgroup$
                  – Nuclear Wang
                  Feb 22 at 17:33






                  $begingroup$
                  Why are aircraft carriers the best choice, when there are existing transport ships that have much more cargo space?
                  $endgroup$
                  – Nuclear Wang
                  Feb 22 at 17:33






                  1




                  1




                  $begingroup$
                  @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Cyn
                  Feb 22 at 18:13




                  $begingroup$
                  @NuclearWang Because I figured it would be easier to get trolls on a transport that allowed them to stay outside and because fitting those enormous trolls into places meant for either liquids or collections of much smaller solids (like wrapped pallets) would be difficult. But you should write up your own answer.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Cyn
                  Feb 22 at 18:13











                  2












                  $begingroup$


                  1. Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.


                  2. How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.


                  3. If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.







                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$









                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:11
















                  2












                  $begingroup$


                  1. Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.


                  2. How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.


                  3. If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.







                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$









                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:11














                  2












                  2








                  2





                  $begingroup$


                  1. Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.


                  2. How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.


                  3. If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.







                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$




                  1. Neutralize the volcano! This might be simpler than moving 10,000 massive, grumpy trolls.


                  2. How about a bunch of blimps/dirigibles? They can lift a couple hundred tons, and can get good top speeds in the right conditions, much faster than a ship low in the water with troll weight. Depending on how far it is, you might be able to drop off the sleepers before they wake up.


                  3. If they have a huge snorkel, can these guys survive walking on the ocean floor? They sound very tough and dense. It sounds like they don't like water much, but they might like water more than lava when the time comes.








                  share|improve this answer












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                  answered Feb 22 at 8:41









                  RAM804RAM804

                  512




                  512








                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:11














                  • 1




                    $begingroup$
                    Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:11








                  1




                  1




                  $begingroup$
                  Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
                  $endgroup$
                  – pipe
                  Feb 22 at 13:11




                  $begingroup$
                  Your first two ideas are better than anything suggested so far. Not only can you perhaps transport a raging troll in a sturdy steel wire net under a balloon without even sedating them - they can shout and shake as much as they want - but you can probably hook them up to a tug plane to get them fast and safe to the destination and then just poke holes and let them fall slowly down onto the new island without having to be near them.
                  $endgroup$
                  – pipe
                  Feb 22 at 13:11











                  1












                  $begingroup$

                  Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?



                  If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.



                  If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.



                  If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$













                  • $begingroup$
                    the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
                    $endgroup$
                    – user6760
                    Feb 22 at 7:03










                  • $begingroup$
                    @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 7:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 14:50
















                  1












                  $begingroup$

                  Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?



                  If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.



                  If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.



                  If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$













                  • $begingroup$
                    the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
                    $endgroup$
                    – user6760
                    Feb 22 at 7:03










                  • $begingroup$
                    @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 7:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 14:50














                  1












                  1








                  1





                  $begingroup$

                  Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?



                  If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.



                  If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.



                  If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$



                  Are your trolls stupid? Can they communicate with humans?



                  If the answers are no, and yes, then simply tell them. Make announcements through speakers on helicopters that the volcano is about to go and there are ships nearby for rescue.



                  If the answers are no and no, then simply have the ships make noise to draw their attention to the ships and wait for the volcano to erupt. In this case, keep the ships away from the shore till the volcano goes off. Remember to invest in light vessels to ferry the trolls to the ships. How to arrange the transfer from shore to lighter and lighter to ship is an exercise left to the rescuer.



                  If the answers are yes and no, then you're out of luck. It can't be done without a portal or something similar.







                  share|improve this answer












                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer










                  answered Feb 22 at 6:55









                  nzamannzaman

                  9,76411547




                  9,76411547












                  • $begingroup$
                    the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
                    $endgroup$
                    – user6760
                    Feb 22 at 7:03










                  • $begingroup$
                    @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 7:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 14:50


















                  • $begingroup$
                    the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
                    $endgroup$
                    – user6760
                    Feb 22 at 7:03










                  • $begingroup$
                    @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 7:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
                    $endgroup$
                    – pipe
                    Feb 22 at 13:08










                  • $begingroup$
                    @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
                    $endgroup$
                    – nzaman
                    Feb 22 at 14:50
















                  $begingroup$
                  the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
                  $endgroup$
                  – user6760
                  Feb 22 at 7:03




                  $begingroup$
                  the trolls will generally wants to avoid human contact and large body of water, loud noise will probably agitate them but no worry my team of professional will ensure they remains quiet throughout your plan at least before they wake up.
                  $endgroup$
                  – user6760
                  Feb 22 at 7:03












                  $begingroup$
                  @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
                  $endgroup$
                  – nzaman
                  Feb 22 at 7:08




                  $begingroup$
                  @user6760: The point is to NOT put them to sleep,to avoid that 48 hour limit, as some of them will wake earlier/later than that. You do not want a disoriented troll rampaging in closed quarters; you'd probably lose the whole ship.
                  $endgroup$
                  – nzaman
                  Feb 22 at 7:08












                  $begingroup$
                  Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
                  $endgroup$
                  – pipe
                  Feb 22 at 13:08




                  $begingroup$
                  Surely the trolls will just claim that the human volcano "scientists" invented the whole thing for their own political gains. Remember they are extremely hostile...
                  $endgroup$
                  – pipe
                  Feb 22 at 13:08












                  $begingroup$
                  @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
                  $endgroup$
                  – nzaman
                  Feb 22 at 14:50




                  $begingroup$
                  @pipe: One assumes they're not stupid and, when seeing a volcano erupting nearby, will prioritise escape rather than discussing the "climate change hoax"
                  $endgroup$
                  – nzaman
                  Feb 22 at 14:50











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                  Don't move the trolls - move the volcano instead. Just blow some undersea nukes near their island until the magma can flow out there. Tsunamis are no problem, as according to Renans answer trolls can only die when in acid or on fire.

                  As far as I know, this has never been tried before, so make sure to bring a lot of nukes!



                  If you really want to move the trolls, and to do so as quickly as possible, ballistic trajectories seem to be the option of choice. Stun them, pack them into fireproof clothing with a fixed iron belt and shoot them out of a railgun.
                  According to this with a 45° launch angel and an initial velocity of 1000m/s you could launch your trolls around 102km away from their home island. To achieve this, you would need a lot of energy:
                  E=0.5*m*v²=0.5*150000kg*10^6m²/s² = 75GJ

                  Since you only have 48h until the trolls wake up, you'll need a power of
                  P=E/t=75GJ/(48*3600s)=434kW

                  with an efficiency of let's say η=0.2, we get
                  E_eff=E/η=375GJ and
                  P_eff=P/η=P*5=2.2MW.

                  Producing this energy via a gas turbine reactor, you have a conversion efficieny coefficient of η_th=0.33. For the resulting thermal energy we get
                  E_th=E_eff/η_th=1.125TJ
                  Using the probalby easily available crude oil as fuel (which has E_s=45MJ/kg), you'll need
                  m=E/E_s=25000kg=25 metric tonsof oil.

                  This would only cost around 14000 USD, though the reactor, the energy storage, the railgun itself and 100000 fireproof flight suits would probably be much more expensive.

                  If you like this idea, I could calculate some more details...






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                    Don't move the trolls - move the volcano instead. Just blow some undersea nukes near their island until the magma can flow out there. Tsunamis are no problem, as according to Renans answer trolls can only die when in acid or on fire.

                    As far as I know, this has never been tried before, so make sure to bring a lot of nukes!



                    If you really want to move the trolls, and to do so as quickly as possible, ballistic trajectories seem to be the option of choice. Stun them, pack them into fireproof clothing with a fixed iron belt and shoot them out of a railgun.
                    According to this with a 45° launch angel and an initial velocity of 1000m/s you could launch your trolls around 102km away from their home island. To achieve this, you would need a lot of energy:
                    E=0.5*m*v²=0.5*150000kg*10^6m²/s² = 75GJ

                    Since you only have 48h until the trolls wake up, you'll need a power of
                    P=E/t=75GJ/(48*3600s)=434kW

                    with an efficiency of let's say η=0.2, we get
                    E_eff=E/η=375GJ and
                    P_eff=P/η=P*5=2.2MW.

                    Producing this energy via a gas turbine reactor, you have a conversion efficieny coefficient of η_th=0.33. For the resulting thermal energy we get
                    E_th=E_eff/η_th=1.125TJ
                    Using the probalby easily available crude oil as fuel (which has E_s=45MJ/kg), you'll need
                    m=E/E_s=25000kg=25 metric tonsof oil.

                    This would only cost around 14000 USD, though the reactor, the energy storage, the railgun itself and 100000 fireproof flight suits would probably be much more expensive.

                    If you like this idea, I could calculate some more details...






                    share|improve this answer











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                      $begingroup$

                      Don't move the trolls - move the volcano instead. Just blow some undersea nukes near their island until the magma can flow out there. Tsunamis are no problem, as according to Renans answer trolls can only die when in acid or on fire.

                      As far as I know, this has never been tried before, so make sure to bring a lot of nukes!



                      If you really want to move the trolls, and to do so as quickly as possible, ballistic trajectories seem to be the option of choice. Stun them, pack them into fireproof clothing with a fixed iron belt and shoot them out of a railgun.
                      According to this with a 45° launch angel and an initial velocity of 1000m/s you could launch your trolls around 102km away from their home island. To achieve this, you would need a lot of energy:
                      E=0.5*m*v²=0.5*150000kg*10^6m²/s² = 75GJ

                      Since you only have 48h until the trolls wake up, you'll need a power of
                      P=E/t=75GJ/(48*3600s)=434kW

                      with an efficiency of let's say η=0.2, we get
                      E_eff=E/η=375GJ and
                      P_eff=P/η=P*5=2.2MW.

                      Producing this energy via a gas turbine reactor, you have a conversion efficieny coefficient of η_th=0.33. For the resulting thermal energy we get
                      E_th=E_eff/η_th=1.125TJ
                      Using the probalby easily available crude oil as fuel (which has E_s=45MJ/kg), you'll need
                      m=E/E_s=25000kg=25 metric tonsof oil.

                      This would only cost around 14000 USD, though the reactor, the energy storage, the railgun itself and 100000 fireproof flight suits would probably be much more expensive.

                      If you like this idea, I could calculate some more details...






                      share|improve this answer











                      $endgroup$



                      Don't move the trolls - move the volcano instead. Just blow some undersea nukes near their island until the magma can flow out there. Tsunamis are no problem, as according to Renans answer trolls can only die when in acid or on fire.

                      As far as I know, this has never been tried before, so make sure to bring a lot of nukes!



                      If you really want to move the trolls, and to do so as quickly as possible, ballistic trajectories seem to be the option of choice. Stun them, pack them into fireproof clothing with a fixed iron belt and shoot them out of a railgun.
                      According to this with a 45° launch angel and an initial velocity of 1000m/s you could launch your trolls around 102km away from their home island. To achieve this, you would need a lot of energy:
                      E=0.5*m*v²=0.5*150000kg*10^6m²/s² = 75GJ

                      Since you only have 48h until the trolls wake up, you'll need a power of
                      P=E/t=75GJ/(48*3600s)=434kW

                      with an efficiency of let's say η=0.2, we get
                      E_eff=E/η=375GJ and
                      P_eff=P/η=P*5=2.2MW.

                      Producing this energy via a gas turbine reactor, you have a conversion efficieny coefficient of η_th=0.33. For the resulting thermal energy we get
                      E_th=E_eff/η_th=1.125TJ
                      Using the probalby easily available crude oil as fuel (which has E_s=45MJ/kg), you'll need
                      m=E/E_s=25000kg=25 metric tonsof oil.

                      This would only cost around 14000 USD, though the reactor, the energy storage, the railgun itself and 100000 fireproof flight suits would probably be much more expensive.

                      If you like this idea, I could calculate some more details...







                      share|improve this answer














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                          Everyone's coming at this the wrong way. You're trying to move them a long distance quickly. The fastest way to handle this is ignore the implied requirements of the question--don't move them halfway around the world, move them to the closest uninhabited island.



                          Your vessel of choice is the Russian Mi-26 helicopter. It can lift a troll with capacity to spare, a bit over 300 have been built, I don't know how many are still in service. Trank a troll, lift it to the nearby island. 40 flights should do it, you should have them off in a week or two.



                          Now you still have to transport them to their final home but you don't have the volcano breathing down your neck while you do it.



                          Once they have had time to recover from the initial dose you trank one again and lift it to a ship. There it's fitted with some very strong and immobilizing restraints. Plenty of ships are capable of hauling 30 ton objects around, getting them to their new home isn't going to be a problem. The restraints are fitted with explosive bolts, you lift them onto the island and fire the bolts. (Note: Explosive bolts do not actually go boom, the charge just rips the bolt from it's anchorage. Whatever trivial damage it suffers when the bolts fire will quickly regenerate.)






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                            $begingroup$

                            Everyone's coming at this the wrong way. You're trying to move them a long distance quickly. The fastest way to handle this is ignore the implied requirements of the question--don't move them halfway around the world, move them to the closest uninhabited island.



                            Your vessel of choice is the Russian Mi-26 helicopter. It can lift a troll with capacity to spare, a bit over 300 have been built, I don't know how many are still in service. Trank a troll, lift it to the nearby island. 40 flights should do it, you should have them off in a week or two.



                            Now you still have to transport them to their final home but you don't have the volcano breathing down your neck while you do it.



                            Once they have had time to recover from the initial dose you trank one again and lift it to a ship. There it's fitted with some very strong and immobilizing restraints. Plenty of ships are capable of hauling 30 ton objects around, getting them to their new home isn't going to be a problem. The restraints are fitted with explosive bolts, you lift them onto the island and fire the bolts. (Note: Explosive bolts do not actually go boom, the charge just rips the bolt from it's anchorage. Whatever trivial damage it suffers when the bolts fire will quickly regenerate.)






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                              $begingroup$

                              Everyone's coming at this the wrong way. You're trying to move them a long distance quickly. The fastest way to handle this is ignore the implied requirements of the question--don't move them halfway around the world, move them to the closest uninhabited island.



                              Your vessel of choice is the Russian Mi-26 helicopter. It can lift a troll with capacity to spare, a bit over 300 have been built, I don't know how many are still in service. Trank a troll, lift it to the nearby island. 40 flights should do it, you should have them off in a week or two.



                              Now you still have to transport them to their final home but you don't have the volcano breathing down your neck while you do it.



                              Once they have had time to recover from the initial dose you trank one again and lift it to a ship. There it's fitted with some very strong and immobilizing restraints. Plenty of ships are capable of hauling 30 ton objects around, getting them to their new home isn't going to be a problem. The restraints are fitted with explosive bolts, you lift them onto the island and fire the bolts. (Note: Explosive bolts do not actually go boom, the charge just rips the bolt from it's anchorage. Whatever trivial damage it suffers when the bolts fire will quickly regenerate.)






                              share|improve this answer









                              $endgroup$



                              Everyone's coming at this the wrong way. You're trying to move them a long distance quickly. The fastest way to handle this is ignore the implied requirements of the question--don't move them halfway around the world, move them to the closest uninhabited island.



                              Your vessel of choice is the Russian Mi-26 helicopter. It can lift a troll with capacity to spare, a bit over 300 have been built, I don't know how many are still in service. Trank a troll, lift it to the nearby island. 40 flights should do it, you should have them off in a week or two.



                              Now you still have to transport them to their final home but you don't have the volcano breathing down your neck while you do it.



                              Once they have had time to recover from the initial dose you trank one again and lift it to a ship. There it's fitted with some very strong and immobilizing restraints. Plenty of ships are capable of hauling 30 ton objects around, getting them to their new home isn't going to be a problem. The restraints are fitted with explosive bolts, you lift them onto the island and fire the bolts. (Note: Explosive bolts do not actually go boom, the charge just rips the bolt from it's anchorage. Whatever trivial damage it suffers when the bolts fire will quickly regenerate.)







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                              answered Feb 23 at 4:57









                              Loren PechtelLoren Pechtel

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                                  This question has been answered here:



                                  https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/63545/are-helicopters-capable-of-carrying-this-type-of-giants



                                  giants and helicopters



                                  In the movie The BFG giants are carried by helicopter. The answer on movies stack concludes existing transport helicopters could do the job. I think the trolls in the question may be slightly larger than the movie giants are calculated to be, but 2 helicopters can team up to lift cargo suspended beneath in a net, as the giants are. I found images of helicopters carrying a jumbo jet in this manner.



                                  As re sedation I suggest ketamine.



                                  http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/ketamine.asp




                                  Ketamine is considered a dissociative anesthetic. This means that the drug distorts the
                                  users perception of sight and sound and produces feelings of
                                  detachment from the environment and ones self. The drug also has
                                  anesthetic properties that have been used in both human and veterinary
                                  medicine, and is currently a Schedule III controlled substance. For
                                  humans it has been used in radiation and burn therapy, treatment of
                                  battlefield injuries, and for children who have adverse reactions to
                                  other anesthetics.




                                  Ketamine is safe as regards cardiopulmonary toxicity and it is also an excellent veterinary drug if the trolls are closer to animals. They will be awake, breathing, but just chilling out in the net. They will be disinclined to struggle and hurt themselves.



                                  Also, 10,000 is a lot of trolls. Triage will be necessary. To save the species, you will want to prioritize juveniles - easier to move, possibly less aggressive and with a longer reproductive life. Adult rescue should prioritize mothers of dependent juveniles.





                                  Large trolls could be moved via drone boat powered floats. Here is a float made of 4 blocks of polystyrene foam adequate to move a 31,000 lb dam part.



                                  float
                                  https://univfoam.com/floatation



                                  You would need more blocks to float a troll but that is fine. Floats can be cheaply assembled with off the shelf parts and attached to drone boats. A satellite uplink will allow random available boats to be converted to drone boats. They will moor off shore. Mockup dummy trolls can be positioned aboard some of the floats so trolls on land will see that trolls can ride these things. When the volcano erupts, trolls will move towards safety. They cannot swim but they are tall and they can wade and the floats are within wading distance. Even if they have not waded, the dummy trolls will hopefully inspire them. They will wade out to the floats and climb on. Once there is a troll passenger the drone boat will head out to sea with troll in tow.



                                  At sea, trolls who jump around will fall off and drown. Each vessel has only 1 troll passenger at risk. Vessel / float failure means that passenger drowns. Calm and lucky trolls will make the ride in peace.



                                  If the trolls are too stupid to figure that out, then those remaining after the airlift will not be rescued. If they wade out and destroy the float, too bad for them. If the volcano erupts with such violence there is no time to seek safety, the leftover trolls die and you might lose your floats and drone boats. No humans will be at risk. Cheap boats and cheap floats can be used: low risk, high yield.






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                                    $begingroup$

                                    This question has been answered here:



                                    https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/63545/are-helicopters-capable-of-carrying-this-type-of-giants



                                    giants and helicopters



                                    In the movie The BFG giants are carried by helicopter. The answer on movies stack concludes existing transport helicopters could do the job. I think the trolls in the question may be slightly larger than the movie giants are calculated to be, but 2 helicopters can team up to lift cargo suspended beneath in a net, as the giants are. I found images of helicopters carrying a jumbo jet in this manner.



                                    As re sedation I suggest ketamine.



                                    http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/ketamine.asp




                                    Ketamine is considered a dissociative anesthetic. This means that the drug distorts the
                                    users perception of sight and sound and produces feelings of
                                    detachment from the environment and ones self. The drug also has
                                    anesthetic properties that have been used in both human and veterinary
                                    medicine, and is currently a Schedule III controlled substance. For
                                    humans it has been used in radiation and burn therapy, treatment of
                                    battlefield injuries, and for children who have adverse reactions to
                                    other anesthetics.




                                    Ketamine is safe as regards cardiopulmonary toxicity and it is also an excellent veterinary drug if the trolls are closer to animals. They will be awake, breathing, but just chilling out in the net. They will be disinclined to struggle and hurt themselves.



                                    Also, 10,000 is a lot of trolls. Triage will be necessary. To save the species, you will want to prioritize juveniles - easier to move, possibly less aggressive and with a longer reproductive life. Adult rescue should prioritize mothers of dependent juveniles.





                                    Large trolls could be moved via drone boat powered floats. Here is a float made of 4 blocks of polystyrene foam adequate to move a 31,000 lb dam part.



                                    float
                                    https://univfoam.com/floatation



                                    You would need more blocks to float a troll but that is fine. Floats can be cheaply assembled with off the shelf parts and attached to drone boats. A satellite uplink will allow random available boats to be converted to drone boats. They will moor off shore. Mockup dummy trolls can be positioned aboard some of the floats so trolls on land will see that trolls can ride these things. When the volcano erupts, trolls will move towards safety. They cannot swim but they are tall and they can wade and the floats are within wading distance. Even if they have not waded, the dummy trolls will hopefully inspire them. They will wade out to the floats and climb on. Once there is a troll passenger the drone boat will head out to sea with troll in tow.



                                    At sea, trolls who jump around will fall off and drown. Each vessel has only 1 troll passenger at risk. Vessel / float failure means that passenger drowns. Calm and lucky trolls will make the ride in peace.



                                    If the trolls are too stupid to figure that out, then those remaining after the airlift will not be rescued. If they wade out and destroy the float, too bad for them. If the volcano erupts with such violence there is no time to seek safety, the leftover trolls die and you might lose your floats and drone boats. No humans will be at risk. Cheap boats and cheap floats can be used: low risk, high yield.






                                    share|improve this answer











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                                      $begingroup$

                                      This question has been answered here:



                                      https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/63545/are-helicopters-capable-of-carrying-this-type-of-giants



                                      giants and helicopters



                                      In the movie The BFG giants are carried by helicopter. The answer on movies stack concludes existing transport helicopters could do the job. I think the trolls in the question may be slightly larger than the movie giants are calculated to be, but 2 helicopters can team up to lift cargo suspended beneath in a net, as the giants are. I found images of helicopters carrying a jumbo jet in this manner.



                                      As re sedation I suggest ketamine.



                                      http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/ketamine.asp




                                      Ketamine is considered a dissociative anesthetic. This means that the drug distorts the
                                      users perception of sight and sound and produces feelings of
                                      detachment from the environment and ones self. The drug also has
                                      anesthetic properties that have been used in both human and veterinary
                                      medicine, and is currently a Schedule III controlled substance. For
                                      humans it has been used in radiation and burn therapy, treatment of
                                      battlefield injuries, and for children who have adverse reactions to
                                      other anesthetics.




                                      Ketamine is safe as regards cardiopulmonary toxicity and it is also an excellent veterinary drug if the trolls are closer to animals. They will be awake, breathing, but just chilling out in the net. They will be disinclined to struggle and hurt themselves.



                                      Also, 10,000 is a lot of trolls. Triage will be necessary. To save the species, you will want to prioritize juveniles - easier to move, possibly less aggressive and with a longer reproductive life. Adult rescue should prioritize mothers of dependent juveniles.





                                      Large trolls could be moved via drone boat powered floats. Here is a float made of 4 blocks of polystyrene foam adequate to move a 31,000 lb dam part.



                                      float
                                      https://univfoam.com/floatation



                                      You would need more blocks to float a troll but that is fine. Floats can be cheaply assembled with off the shelf parts and attached to drone boats. A satellite uplink will allow random available boats to be converted to drone boats. They will moor off shore. Mockup dummy trolls can be positioned aboard some of the floats so trolls on land will see that trolls can ride these things. When the volcano erupts, trolls will move towards safety. They cannot swim but they are tall and they can wade and the floats are within wading distance. Even if they have not waded, the dummy trolls will hopefully inspire them. They will wade out to the floats and climb on. Once there is a troll passenger the drone boat will head out to sea with troll in tow.



                                      At sea, trolls who jump around will fall off and drown. Each vessel has only 1 troll passenger at risk. Vessel / float failure means that passenger drowns. Calm and lucky trolls will make the ride in peace.



                                      If the trolls are too stupid to figure that out, then those remaining after the airlift will not be rescued. If they wade out and destroy the float, too bad for them. If the volcano erupts with such violence there is no time to seek safety, the leftover trolls die and you might lose your floats and drone boats. No humans will be at risk. Cheap boats and cheap floats can be used: low risk, high yield.






                                      share|improve this answer











                                      $endgroup$



                                      This question has been answered here:



                                      https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/63545/are-helicopters-capable-of-carrying-this-type-of-giants



                                      giants and helicopters



                                      In the movie The BFG giants are carried by helicopter. The answer on movies stack concludes existing transport helicopters could do the job. I think the trolls in the question may be slightly larger than the movie giants are calculated to be, but 2 helicopters can team up to lift cargo suspended beneath in a net, as the giants are. I found images of helicopters carrying a jumbo jet in this manner.



                                      As re sedation I suggest ketamine.



                                      http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/ketamine.asp




                                      Ketamine is considered a dissociative anesthetic. This means that the drug distorts the
                                      users perception of sight and sound and produces feelings of
                                      detachment from the environment and ones self. The drug also has
                                      anesthetic properties that have been used in both human and veterinary
                                      medicine, and is currently a Schedule III controlled substance. For
                                      humans it has been used in radiation and burn therapy, treatment of
                                      battlefield injuries, and for children who have adverse reactions to
                                      other anesthetics.




                                      Ketamine is safe as regards cardiopulmonary toxicity and it is also an excellent veterinary drug if the trolls are closer to animals. They will be awake, breathing, but just chilling out in the net. They will be disinclined to struggle and hurt themselves.



                                      Also, 10,000 is a lot of trolls. Triage will be necessary. To save the species, you will want to prioritize juveniles - easier to move, possibly less aggressive and with a longer reproductive life. Adult rescue should prioritize mothers of dependent juveniles.





                                      Large trolls could be moved via drone boat powered floats. Here is a float made of 4 blocks of polystyrene foam adequate to move a 31,000 lb dam part.



                                      float
                                      https://univfoam.com/floatation



                                      You would need more blocks to float a troll but that is fine. Floats can be cheaply assembled with off the shelf parts and attached to drone boats. A satellite uplink will allow random available boats to be converted to drone boats. They will moor off shore. Mockup dummy trolls can be positioned aboard some of the floats so trolls on land will see that trolls can ride these things. When the volcano erupts, trolls will move towards safety. They cannot swim but they are tall and they can wade and the floats are within wading distance. Even if they have not waded, the dummy trolls will hopefully inspire them. They will wade out to the floats and climb on. Once there is a troll passenger the drone boat will head out to sea with troll in tow.



                                      At sea, trolls who jump around will fall off and drown. Each vessel has only 1 troll passenger at risk. Vessel / float failure means that passenger drowns. Calm and lucky trolls will make the ride in peace.



                                      If the trolls are too stupid to figure that out, then those remaining after the airlift will not be rescued. If they wade out and destroy the float, too bad for them. If the volcano erupts with such violence there is no time to seek safety, the leftover trolls die and you might lose your floats and drone boats. No humans will be at risk. Cheap boats and cheap floats can be used: low risk, high yield.







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