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Suppose I have an urn with 9 balls: 4 green, 3 yellow and 2 white ones. I draw a ball from
the urn repeatedly with replacement, until I see the first green or yellow ball, and then I stop. Let
N be the number draws I needed. Let Y equal 1 if the last draw is green and 2 if the last draw is
yellow. Find the joint and marginal probability mass functions of N and Y and determine whether
N and Y are independent. Is there an intuitive explanation for the probability mass function of Y
that you discovered?



I'm completely loss and can't even start. From what I understand, $N sim Geom(frac{7}{9})$, but I can't get what is the distribution of Y. What is the pmf of Y? And how to find joint pmf? Thank you.










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  • Events defining $Y$ do not cover whole event space.
    – keoxkeox
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  • If the person asking the question is OK with measures not adding up to 1 then $Y sim (4/9) delta(x-1) + (3/9) delta(x-2)$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:30












  • Also your joint pmf will add up to $7/9$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:32















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Suppose I have an urn with 9 balls: 4 green, 3 yellow and 2 white ones. I draw a ball from
the urn repeatedly with replacement, until I see the first green or yellow ball, and then I stop. Let
N be the number draws I needed. Let Y equal 1 if the last draw is green and 2 if the last draw is
yellow. Find the joint and marginal probability mass functions of N and Y and determine whether
N and Y are independent. Is there an intuitive explanation for the probability mass function of Y
that you discovered?



I'm completely loss and can't even start. From what I understand, $N sim Geom(frac{7}{9})$, but I can't get what is the distribution of Y. What is the pmf of Y? And how to find joint pmf? Thank you.










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  • Events defining $Y$ do not cover whole event space.
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:25












  • If the person asking the question is OK with measures not adding up to 1 then $Y sim (4/9) delta(x-1) + (3/9) delta(x-2)$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:30












  • Also your joint pmf will add up to $7/9$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:32













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Suppose I have an urn with 9 balls: 4 green, 3 yellow and 2 white ones. I draw a ball from
the urn repeatedly with replacement, until I see the first green or yellow ball, and then I stop. Let
N be the number draws I needed. Let Y equal 1 if the last draw is green and 2 if the last draw is
yellow. Find the joint and marginal probability mass functions of N and Y and determine whether
N and Y are independent. Is there an intuitive explanation for the probability mass function of Y
that you discovered?



I'm completely loss and can't even start. From what I understand, $N sim Geom(frac{7}{9})$, but I can't get what is the distribution of Y. What is the pmf of Y? And how to find joint pmf? Thank you.










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Suppose I have an urn with 9 balls: 4 green, 3 yellow and 2 white ones. I draw a ball from
the urn repeatedly with replacement, until I see the first green or yellow ball, and then I stop. Let
N be the number draws I needed. Let Y equal 1 if the last draw is green and 2 if the last draw is
yellow. Find the joint and marginal probability mass functions of N and Y and determine whether
N and Y are independent. Is there an intuitive explanation for the probability mass function of Y
that you discovered?



I'm completely loss and can't even start. From what I understand, $N sim Geom(frac{7}{9})$, but I can't get what is the distribution of Y. What is the pmf of Y? And how to find joint pmf? Thank you.







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  • Events defining $Y$ do not cover whole event space.
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:25












  • If the person asking the question is OK with measures not adding up to 1 then $Y sim (4/9) delta(x-1) + (3/9) delta(x-2)$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:30












  • Also your joint pmf will add up to $7/9$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:32


















  • Events defining $Y$ do not cover whole event space.
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:25












  • If the person asking the question is OK with measures not adding up to 1 then $Y sim (4/9) delta(x-1) + (3/9) delta(x-2)$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:30












  • Also your joint pmf will add up to $7/9$
    – keoxkeox
    Nov 14 at 5:32
















Events defining $Y$ do not cover whole event space.
– keoxkeox
Nov 14 at 5:25






Events defining $Y$ do not cover whole event space.
– keoxkeox
Nov 14 at 5:25














If the person asking the question is OK with measures not adding up to 1 then $Y sim (4/9) delta(x-1) + (3/9) delta(x-2)$
– keoxkeox
Nov 14 at 5:30






If the person asking the question is OK with measures not adding up to 1 then $Y sim (4/9) delta(x-1) + (3/9) delta(x-2)$
– keoxkeox
Nov 14 at 5:30














Also your joint pmf will add up to $7/9$
– keoxkeox
Nov 14 at 5:32




Also your joint pmf will add up to $7/9$
– keoxkeox
Nov 14 at 5:32










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Note thatbegin{align}
Pr(N=n, Y=1) &=left( frac29right)^{n-1}frac{4}{9}
end{align}



Finding $Pr(N=n, Y=2)$ should be similar and you should be able to compute the marginal distribution.






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    Note thatbegin{align}
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    Finding $Pr(N=n, Y=2)$ should be similar and you should be able to compute the marginal distribution.






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      Note thatbegin{align}
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      Finding $Pr(N=n, Y=2)$ should be similar and you should be able to compute the marginal distribution.






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        Note thatbegin{align}
        Pr(N=n, Y=1) &=left( frac29right)^{n-1}frac{4}{9}
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        Finding $Pr(N=n, Y=2)$ should be similar and you should be able to compute the marginal distribution.






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        Note thatbegin{align}
        Pr(N=n, Y=1) &=left( frac29right)^{n-1}frac{4}{9}
        end{align}



        Finding $Pr(N=n, Y=2)$ should be similar and you should be able to compute the marginal distribution.







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