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          $$ 4b+3m=17 implies 4b=17-3m $$



          $$implies 4b=16+(m+1)-4m = 4(4-m)+ (m+1) $$



          Thus $m+1$ must be a multiple of $4$ where $m<4$ to make both sides positive.



          The only choice is $m=3$ which implies $b=2$






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            The general solution of $4b+3m=17$ is $b=17-3t$, $m=-17+4t$, with $tinmathbb Z$.



            Now $b>0$ iff $tle 5$ and $m>0$ iff $tge 5$. Therefore, $t=5$ is the only solution. This gives $b=2$ and $m=3$.






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              $$4times 4-3times 5=1$$
              $$4(b-4)+3m=1$$



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              $$4(8-b)=3(m+5)$$






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                $$4b+3m=17 iff bequiv2 pmod 3quad land quad mequiv 1 pmod 2$$



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                • $b=2+3k$

                • $m=1+2h$


                and



                $$4b+3m=17 iff 4(2+3k)+3(1+2h)=17 iff 12k+6h=6 iff 2k+h=1$$



                that is by Bezout's identity




                • $k=1+r implies b=5+3r$

                • $h=-1-2r implies m=-1-4r$






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                  First $4cdot 4-3cdot 5=1$. So $(17cdot 4,-5cdot 17)=(68,-85)$ is a solution. All solutions are of the form $(68+kcdot 3,-85-kcdot 4)$.



                  The only way to get them both positive is if $k=-22$.






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                    With, trivially $1le b le 4$ [because $4times 5 gt 17]$ and $1le m le 5 [6times 3 gt 17]$ you don't have many cases to check. But you can work more efficiently.



                    Note that because $b$ and $m$ are both at least one (positive integers) you can reduce this to $4c+3n=10$ for non-negative $c$ and $n$ (may now be zero) with $b=c+1$ and $m=n+1$.



                    Now $10$ is not a multiple of $4$ or a multiple of $3$ so you can't have either $c=0$ or $n=0$ so both must be at least $1$ whence $4d+3p=3$ with $b=d+2$ and $p=m+2$ and $d$ and $p$ are non-negative.



                    Next $d$ can't be positive so must be zero. and $p=1$ is the only possibility.






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                      • If $bgeq 9$ then (since $mgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>18+3m>17$$


                      • If $mgeq 6$ then (since $bgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>4b+18>17$$



                      Thus there are only finitely many solutions, $1leq b< 9$, $1leq m< 6$, and they can be checked directly.






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                        $$ 4b+3m=17 implies 4b=17-3m $$



                        $$implies 4b=16+(m+1)-4m = 4(4-m)+ (m+1) $$



                        Thus $m+1$ must be a multiple of $4$ where $m<4$ to make both sides positive.



                        The only choice is $m=3$ which implies $b=2$






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                          $$ 4b+3m=17 implies 4b=17-3m $$



                          $$implies 4b=16+(m+1)-4m = 4(4-m)+ (m+1) $$



                          Thus $m+1$ must be a multiple of $4$ where $m<4$ to make both sides positive.



                          The only choice is $m=3$ which implies $b=2$






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                            $$ 4b+3m=17 implies 4b=17-3m $$



                            $$implies 4b=16+(m+1)-4m = 4(4-m)+ (m+1) $$



                            Thus $m+1$ must be a multiple of $4$ where $m<4$ to make both sides positive.



                            The only choice is $m=3$ which implies $b=2$






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                            $$ 4b+3m=17 implies 4b=17-3m $$



                            $$implies 4b=16+(m+1)-4m = 4(4-m)+ (m+1) $$



                            Thus $m+1$ must be a multiple of $4$ where $m<4$ to make both sides positive.



                            The only choice is $m=3$ which implies $b=2$







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                                The general solution of $4b+3m=17$ is $b=17-3t$, $m=-17+4t$, with $tinmathbb Z$.



                                Now $b>0$ iff $tle 5$ and $m>0$ iff $tge 5$. Therefore, $t=5$ is the only solution. This gives $b=2$ and $m=3$.






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                                  The general solution of $4b+3m=17$ is $b=17-3t$, $m=-17+4t$, with $tinmathbb Z$.



                                  Now $b>0$ iff $tle 5$ and $m>0$ iff $tge 5$. Therefore, $t=5$ is the only solution. This gives $b=2$ and $m=3$.






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                                    The general solution of $4b+3m=17$ is $b=17-3t$, $m=-17+4t$, with $tinmathbb Z$.



                                    Now $b>0$ iff $tle 5$ and $m>0$ iff $tge 5$. Therefore, $t=5$ is the only solution. This gives $b=2$ and $m=3$.






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                                    The general solution of $4b+3m=17$ is $b=17-3t$, $m=-17+4t$, with $tinmathbb Z$.



                                    Now $b>0$ iff $tle 5$ and $m>0$ iff $tge 5$. Therefore, $t=5$ is the only solution. This gives $b=2$ and $m=3$.







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                                        hint



                                        We have



                                        $$4times 4-3times 5=1$$
                                        $$4(b-4)+3m=1$$



                                        thus



                                        $$4(8-b)=3(m+5)$$






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                                          We have



                                          $$4times 4-3times 5=1$$
                                          $$4(b-4)+3m=1$$



                                          thus



                                          $$4(8-b)=3(m+5)$$






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                                            We have



                                            $$4times 4-3times 5=1$$
                                            $$4(b-4)+3m=1$$



                                            thus



                                            $$4(8-b)=3(m+5)$$






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                                            hint



                                            We have



                                            $$4times 4-3times 5=1$$
                                            $$4(b-4)+3m=1$$



                                            thus



                                            $$4(8-b)=3(m+5)$$







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                                                We have that



                                                $$4b+3m=17 iff bequiv2 pmod 3quad land quad mequiv 1 pmod 2$$



                                                that is




                                                • $b=2+3k$

                                                • $m=1+2h$


                                                and



                                                $$4b+3m=17 iff 4(2+3k)+3(1+2h)=17 iff 12k+6h=6 iff 2k+h=1$$



                                                that is by Bezout's identity




                                                • $k=1+r implies b=5+3r$

                                                • $h=-1-2r implies m=-1-4r$






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                                                  We have that



                                                  $$4b+3m=17 iff bequiv2 pmod 3quad land quad mequiv 1 pmod 2$$



                                                  that is




                                                  • $b=2+3k$

                                                  • $m=1+2h$


                                                  and



                                                  $$4b+3m=17 iff 4(2+3k)+3(1+2h)=17 iff 12k+6h=6 iff 2k+h=1$$



                                                  that is by Bezout's identity




                                                  • $k=1+r implies b=5+3r$

                                                  • $h=-1-2r implies m=-1-4r$






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                                                    We have that



                                                    $$4b+3m=17 iff bequiv2 pmod 3quad land quad mequiv 1 pmod 2$$



                                                    that is




                                                    • $b=2+3k$

                                                    • $m=1+2h$


                                                    and



                                                    $$4b+3m=17 iff 4(2+3k)+3(1+2h)=17 iff 12k+6h=6 iff 2k+h=1$$



                                                    that is by Bezout's identity




                                                    • $k=1+r implies b=5+3r$

                                                    • $h=-1-2r implies m=-1-4r$






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                                                    We have that



                                                    $$4b+3m=17 iff bequiv2 pmod 3quad land quad mequiv 1 pmod 2$$



                                                    that is




                                                    • $b=2+3k$

                                                    • $m=1+2h$


                                                    and



                                                    $$4b+3m=17 iff 4(2+3k)+3(1+2h)=17 iff 12k+6h=6 iff 2k+h=1$$



                                                    that is by Bezout's identity




                                                    • $k=1+r implies b=5+3r$

                                                    • $h=-1-2r implies m=-1-4r$







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                                                        First $4cdot 4-3cdot 5=1$. So $(17cdot 4,-5cdot 17)=(68,-85)$ is a solution. All solutions are of the form $(68+kcdot 3,-85-kcdot 4)$.



                                                        The only way to get them both positive is if $k=-22$.






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                                                          First $4cdot 4-3cdot 5=1$. So $(17cdot 4,-5cdot 17)=(68,-85)$ is a solution. All solutions are of the form $(68+kcdot 3,-85-kcdot 4)$.



                                                          The only way to get them both positive is if $k=-22$.






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                                                            First $4cdot 4-3cdot 5=1$. So $(17cdot 4,-5cdot 17)=(68,-85)$ is a solution. All solutions are of the form $(68+kcdot 3,-85-kcdot 4)$.



                                                            The only way to get them both positive is if $k=-22$.






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                                                            First $4cdot 4-3cdot 5=1$. So $(17cdot 4,-5cdot 17)=(68,-85)$ is a solution. All solutions are of the form $(68+kcdot 3,-85-kcdot 4)$.



                                                            The only way to get them both positive is if $k=-22$.







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                                                                With, trivially $1le b le 4$ [because $4times 5 gt 17]$ and $1le m le 5 [6times 3 gt 17]$ you don't have many cases to check. But you can work more efficiently.



                                                                Note that because $b$ and $m$ are both at least one (positive integers) you can reduce this to $4c+3n=10$ for non-negative $c$ and $n$ (may now be zero) with $b=c+1$ and $m=n+1$.



                                                                Now $10$ is not a multiple of $4$ or a multiple of $3$ so you can't have either $c=0$ or $n=0$ so both must be at least $1$ whence $4d+3p=3$ with $b=d+2$ and $p=m+2$ and $d$ and $p$ are non-negative.



                                                                Next $d$ can't be positive so must be zero. and $p=1$ is the only possibility.






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                                                                  With, trivially $1le b le 4$ [because $4times 5 gt 17]$ and $1le m le 5 [6times 3 gt 17]$ you don't have many cases to check. But you can work more efficiently.



                                                                  Note that because $b$ and $m$ are both at least one (positive integers) you can reduce this to $4c+3n=10$ for non-negative $c$ and $n$ (may now be zero) with $b=c+1$ and $m=n+1$.



                                                                  Now $10$ is not a multiple of $4$ or a multiple of $3$ so you can't have either $c=0$ or $n=0$ so both must be at least $1$ whence $4d+3p=3$ with $b=d+2$ and $p=m+2$ and $d$ and $p$ are non-negative.



                                                                  Next $d$ can't be positive so must be zero. and $p=1$ is the only possibility.






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                                                                    With, trivially $1le b le 4$ [because $4times 5 gt 17]$ and $1le m le 5 [6times 3 gt 17]$ you don't have many cases to check. But you can work more efficiently.



                                                                    Note that because $b$ and $m$ are both at least one (positive integers) you can reduce this to $4c+3n=10$ for non-negative $c$ and $n$ (may now be zero) with $b=c+1$ and $m=n+1$.



                                                                    Now $10$ is not a multiple of $4$ or a multiple of $3$ so you can't have either $c=0$ or $n=0$ so both must be at least $1$ whence $4d+3p=3$ with $b=d+2$ and $p=m+2$ and $d$ and $p$ are non-negative.



                                                                    Next $d$ can't be positive so must be zero. and $p=1$ is the only possibility.






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                                                                    With, trivially $1le b le 4$ [because $4times 5 gt 17]$ and $1le m le 5 [6times 3 gt 17]$ you don't have many cases to check. But you can work more efficiently.



                                                                    Note that because $b$ and $m$ are both at least one (positive integers) you can reduce this to $4c+3n=10$ for non-negative $c$ and $n$ (may now be zero) with $b=c+1$ and $m=n+1$.



                                                                    Now $10$ is not a multiple of $4$ or a multiple of $3$ so you can't have either $c=0$ or $n=0$ so both must be at least $1$ whence $4d+3p=3$ with $b=d+2$ and $p=m+2$ and $d$ and $p$ are non-negative.



                                                                    Next $d$ can't be positive so must be zero. and $p=1$ is the only possibility.







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                                                                        • If $bgeq 9$ then (since $mgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>18+3m>17$$


                                                                        • If $mgeq 6$ then (since $bgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>4b+18>17$$



                                                                        Thus there are only finitely many solutions, $1leq b< 9$, $1leq m< 6$, and they can be checked directly.






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                                                                          • If $bgeq 9$ then (since $mgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>18+3m>17$$


                                                                          • If $mgeq 6$ then (since $bgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>4b+18>17$$



                                                                          Thus there are only finitely many solutions, $1leq b< 9$, $1leq m< 6$, and they can be checked directly.






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                                                                            • If $bgeq 9$ then (since $mgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>18+3m>17$$


                                                                            • If $mgeq 6$ then (since $bgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>4b+18>17$$



                                                                            Thus there are only finitely many solutions, $1leq b< 9$, $1leq m< 6$, and they can be checked directly.






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                                                                            • If $bgeq 9$ then (since $mgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>18+3m>17$$


                                                                            • If $mgeq 6$ then (since $bgeq 1$) $$4b+3m>4b+18>17$$



                                                                            Thus there are only finitely many solutions, $1leq b< 9$, $1leq m< 6$, and they can be checked directly.







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