How can I know the number of expandafters when appending to a csname macro?












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I am looking for an informative answer here. If I want to append to a macro, I have a couple of options, each depending on whether I want the items fully expanded, partially expanded (a certain number of times), or not expanded, right?



Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach.



Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Conforming to "Userspace" Macro Naming Scheme



no numerals, no symbols, no spaces



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
ifx#1undefined def#1{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% #1=Expand Macro List, #2=New Item
}%


Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Defined with csname



contains anything with tradeoff that you have to use a boatload of expandafters



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
expandafterifxcsname#1endcsnamerelaxexpandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
%expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% Headache-causing line when trying to surround #1 with csname
%expandafterdefexpandaftercsname #1-namesendcsname% I became lost at this point
}%


Problem / Question Redefined



See headache-causing line above. How can I know the right number of expandafters beyond the shadow of a doubt without using a trial-and-error approach?



My thoughts up until the stopping point were:




  • Ok, I need expandafter to expand csname into a macro

  • Then I expandafter to expand the new definition of that macro before I TeX defines it.




Notes




  • Why I have relax in place of undefined when using csname is nicely described here: What is the difference between ifxsomecommandundefined and ifdefinedsomecommandelse?

  • I saw a formula somewhere like 2^n-1 (n being number of expansions needed) from egreg. I hope to find that link and put it here.










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  • It's 2^n-1, not 2(n-1)

    – egreg
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:01











  • @egreg Fixed! So 4 expansions=(2^4)-1=(16)-1=15. That is so many expandafters and therefore not elegant. The output of TeX is quite elegant, however.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:09











  • @macmadness86 Use etoolbox, it's super useful.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:49






  • 1





    @Manuel "Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach." ;) Also, egreg already demonstrated the simplified etoolbox version in his answer. But thanks for putting your two cents in anyway.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:05













  • @macmadness86 Didn't see that.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:12
















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I am looking for an informative answer here. If I want to append to a macro, I have a couple of options, each depending on whether I want the items fully expanded, partially expanded (a certain number of times), or not expanded, right?



Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach.



Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Conforming to "Userspace" Macro Naming Scheme



no numerals, no symbols, no spaces



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
ifx#1undefined def#1{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% #1=Expand Macro List, #2=New Item
}%


Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Defined with csname



contains anything with tradeoff that you have to use a boatload of expandafters



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
expandafterifxcsname#1endcsnamerelaxexpandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
%expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% Headache-causing line when trying to surround #1 with csname
%expandafterdefexpandaftercsname #1-namesendcsname% I became lost at this point
}%


Problem / Question Redefined



See headache-causing line above. How can I know the right number of expandafters beyond the shadow of a doubt without using a trial-and-error approach?



My thoughts up until the stopping point were:




  • Ok, I need expandafter to expand csname into a macro

  • Then I expandafter to expand the new definition of that macro before I TeX defines it.




Notes




  • Why I have relax in place of undefined when using csname is nicely described here: What is the difference between ifxsomecommandundefined and ifdefinedsomecommandelse?

  • I saw a formula somewhere like 2^n-1 (n being number of expansions needed) from egreg. I hope to find that link and put it here.










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  • It's 2^n-1, not 2(n-1)

    – egreg
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:01











  • @egreg Fixed! So 4 expansions=(2^4)-1=(16)-1=15. That is so many expandafters and therefore not elegant. The output of TeX is quite elegant, however.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:09











  • @macmadness86 Use etoolbox, it's super useful.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:49






  • 1





    @Manuel "Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach." ;) Also, egreg already demonstrated the simplified etoolbox version in his answer. But thanks for putting your two cents in anyway.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:05













  • @macmadness86 Didn't see that.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:12














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I am looking for an informative answer here. If I want to append to a macro, I have a couple of options, each depending on whether I want the items fully expanded, partially expanded (a certain number of times), or not expanded, right?



Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach.



Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Conforming to "Userspace" Macro Naming Scheme



no numerals, no symbols, no spaces



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
ifx#1undefined def#1{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% #1=Expand Macro List, #2=New Item
}%


Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Defined with csname



contains anything with tradeoff that you have to use a boatload of expandafters



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
expandafterifxcsname#1endcsnamerelaxexpandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
%expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% Headache-causing line when trying to surround #1 with csname
%expandafterdefexpandaftercsname #1-namesendcsname% I became lost at this point
}%


Problem / Question Redefined



See headache-causing line above. How can I know the right number of expandafters beyond the shadow of a doubt without using a trial-and-error approach?



My thoughts up until the stopping point were:




  • Ok, I need expandafter to expand csname into a macro

  • Then I expandafter to expand the new definition of that macro before I TeX defines it.




Notes




  • Why I have relax in place of undefined when using csname is nicely described here: What is the difference between ifxsomecommandundefined and ifdefinedsomecommandelse?

  • I saw a formula somewhere like 2^n-1 (n being number of expansions needed) from egreg. I hope to find that link and put it here.










share|improve this question
















I am looking for an informative answer here. If I want to append to a macro, I have a couple of options, each depending on whether I want the items fully expanded, partially expanded (a certain number of times), or not expanded, right?



Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach.



Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Conforming to "Userspace" Macro Naming Scheme



no numerals, no symbols, no spaces



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
ifx#1undefined def#1{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% #1=Expand Macro List, #2=New Item
}%


Storing/Collecting Items in a Macro Defined with csname



contains anything with tradeoff that you have to use a boatload of expandafters



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
expandafterifxcsname#1endcsnamerelaxexpandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}else% Macro Existence Check
%expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}fi% Headache-causing line when trying to surround #1 with csname
%expandafterdefexpandaftercsname #1-namesendcsname% I became lost at this point
}%


Problem / Question Redefined



See headache-causing line above. How can I know the right number of expandafters beyond the shadow of a doubt without using a trial-and-error approach?



My thoughts up until the stopping point were:




  • Ok, I need expandafter to expand csname into a macro

  • Then I expandafter to expand the new definition of that macro before I TeX defines it.




Notes




  • Why I have relax in place of undefined when using csname is nicely described here: What is the difference between ifxsomecommandundefined and ifdefinedsomecommandelse?

  • I saw a formula somewhere like 2^n-1 (n being number of expansions needed) from egreg. I hope to find that link and put it here.







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  • It's 2^n-1, not 2(n-1)

    – egreg
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:01











  • @egreg Fixed! So 4 expansions=(2^4)-1=(16)-1=15. That is so many expandafters and therefore not elegant. The output of TeX is quite elegant, however.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:09











  • @macmadness86 Use etoolbox, it's super useful.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:49






  • 1





    @Manuel "Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach." ;) Also, egreg already demonstrated the simplified etoolbox version in his answer. But thanks for putting your two cents in anyway.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:05













  • @macmadness86 Didn't see that.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:12



















  • It's 2^n-1, not 2(n-1)

    – egreg
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:01











  • @egreg Fixed! So 4 expansions=(2^4)-1=(16)-1=15. That is so many expandafters and therefore not elegant. The output of TeX is quite elegant, however.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 17:09











  • @macmadness86 Use etoolbox, it's super useful.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:49






  • 1





    @Manuel "Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach." ;) Also, egreg already demonstrated the simplified etoolbox version in his answer. But thanks for putting your two cents in anyway.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:05













  • @macmadness86 Didn't see that.

    – Manuel
    Jul 26 '16 at 11:12

















It's 2^n-1, not 2(n-1)

– egreg
Jul 25 '16 at 17:01





It's 2^n-1, not 2(n-1)

– egreg
Jul 25 '16 at 17:01













@egreg Fixed! So 4 expansions=(2^4)-1=(16)-1=15. That is so many expandafters and therefore not elegant. The output of TeX is quite elegant, however.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 25 '16 at 17:09





@egreg Fixed! So 4 expansions=(2^4)-1=(16)-1=15. That is so many expandafters and therefore not elegant. The output of TeX is quite elegant, however.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 25 '16 at 17:09













@macmadness86 Use etoolbox, it's super useful.

– Manuel
Jul 26 '16 at 10:49





@macmadness86 Use etoolbox, it's super useful.

– Manuel
Jul 26 '16 at 10:49




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@Manuel "Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach." ;) Also, egreg already demonstrated the simplified etoolbox version in his answer. But thanks for putting your two cents in anyway.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 11:05







@Manuel "Today I am choosing to use the boatload of expandafters approach." ;) Also, egreg already demonstrated the simplified etoolbox version in his answer. But thanks for putting your two cents in anyway.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 11:05















@macmadness86 Didn't see that.

– Manuel
Jul 26 '16 at 11:12





@macmadness86 Didn't see that.

– Manuel
Jul 26 '16 at 11:12










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The primitive expandafter carries out exactly one expansion and leaves the result of this in the input stream. Thus



expandafterdefcsname #1endcsname


with #1 as foo is equivalent after one expansion to



deffoo


To get things correct, you have to track how many expansions are required and to know the number of expandafter commands you need (1, 3, 7, ..., for 1, 2, 3, ... expansions, respectively). We also have some 'tricks' available.



In



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
....


need to first do a test for existence (which you already have) then to expand csname #1endcsname to the command name in two places. This is best done as



expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter
{csname #1endcsname,#2}%


There is a 'trick' here. We first expand past the def to start constructing the name of the macro we want for storage. At the end of the csname ... construct, we need three expandafters (and two sets as there is a brace to skip over). That's the case as we need to do two expansions: the first to turn csname #1endcsname into the macro name (say foo), and the second to expand foo into the content of foo.



Expansion is all about tracking exactly what is in the input stream, and being aware of how many steps you require.






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    Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

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    Jul 25 '16 at 16:52













  • "two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:11













  • @macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27











  • Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:35













  • @macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 15:43



















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Formula for the amount of expandafter that need to be inserted.



If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires to have inserted (2K-1) expandafter-tokens in front of each of these L tokens that are to be "juped" over.



Thus:
If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter into the .tex-input.



The basic procedure is successively inserting expandafter-chains.

Each expandafter-chain yields another level of expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but zero will deliver the first-level-expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but one will deliver the second-level-expansion.

...

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but (K-1) will deliver the K-level-expansion.



The point hereby is:



Having added another expandafter-chain means having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over by the expandafter-chain that is to be added.

Therefore you need to trace the number of tokens that should be "jumped" over by adding the new expandafter-chain.



Example:



Having TeX "jump" over four tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the 2-level-expansion outgoing from the 5th token requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter while L=4 and K=2, thus requires the insertion of 4·(22-1) expandafter= 12 expandafter into the .tex-input:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Fifth |Fifth |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of First
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Second % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Second
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter third % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Third
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Fourth % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Fourth
Fifth %A total of Lx(2^K-1)=4x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted into the .tex-input


Let's look at the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (1+1)th token (= the 2nd token).



It is required to insert 1·(2K-1) expandafter=2K-1 expandafter into the .tex-input.



(Assume First is the 1st token before insertion of expandafter and Secondis the 2nd token before insertion of expandafter.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from Second:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

0 tokens in front of Second should be "jumped" over.

There are/is 20 tokens = 1 token in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 20-1 expandafter = 0 expandafter:



FirstSecond




Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are 20 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(20) tokens=21 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 21-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|
%|after-chain|
%|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |
%|vers |
%|1-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|
%|-going from|
%|Second |
%| | |
expandafterFirst
Second




Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are 21 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(21) tokens=22 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 22-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are 22 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(22) tokens=23 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 23-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are 23 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(23) tokens=24 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 24-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|4-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case ...





Get the picture?



By the way:



There was introduced some indentation providing a visible impression where things are split up in columns.

One column is one expandafter-chain delivering one level of expansion.

If you count the amount of expandafter per column/per expandafter-chain from the rightmost column to the leftmost column, this yields:

1+2+4+8+... = ∑i=1..K{2(i-1)}=2K-1.



In case of obtaining 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second you have 4 columns of expandafter holding 1+2+4+8 expandafter= ∑i=1..4{2(i-1)} expandafter= 24-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 5-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16 expandafter = ∑i=1..5{2(i-1)} expandafter = 25-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 6-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8+16 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8+16) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16+32 expandafter = ∑i=1..6{2(i-1)} expandafter = 26-1 expandafter.



Now let's think about the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token.



(After inserting expandafter, the (L+1)th token won't be the (L+1)th token any more. Therefore the token which is the (L+1)th token before insertion of expandafter will be referred to as "(L+1)-token"—in some places "(L+1)" is an ordinal number, in other places it is a nominal number.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

The (L+1)-token is the (L+1)th-token in the token-stream.

There are 0 tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

There are L tokens = L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(20)-L expandafter=L·(20-1) expandafter=0 expandafter.





Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(20)) tokens = L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(21)-L expandafter=L·(21-1) expandafter.





Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(21)) tokens = L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(22)-L expandafter=L·(22-1) expandafter.





Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(22)) tokens = L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(23)-L expandafter=L·(23-1) expandafter.





Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(23)) tokens = L·(24) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(24)-L expandafter=L·(24-1) expandafter.





Case ...





There are tricks for reducing the amount of expandafter.



Some tricks have to do with the fact that expansion is triggered by tokens like if and ifcat and romannumeral and csname.



Other tricks have to do with having TeX flip macro arguments around.



E.g., using TeX' #{-notation, you can define a macro name which does take tokens before the first opening brace for an argument and causes another (internal) macro to take tokens nested into the first opening brace and the corresponding closing brace for another/a second argument.



This way you don't need to write expandafter-chains for starting csname-expansion.



I elaborated on the name-macro in the thread "Define a control sequence after that a space matters" which was started at TeX - LaTeX StackExchange in November 10, 2016.



Basically the macro name is one of those things that are about having TeX flip macro arguments around.



Let's have a look at taking advantage of romannumeral-expansion.



Actually romannumeral is there for—well—delivering roman numerals. But there are subtleties in the way in which romannumeral works which make romannumeral very interesting for other purposes:



romannumeral keeps expanding until it finds a number while not delivering any token in case the number found is not positive.



Therefore romannumeral can be (ab?)used for triggering a lot of expansion-work as long as in the end the first tokens from the expansion-result form a non-positive number.



You can easily create a macro Expandtimes{<number K>} which takes advantage of romannumeral-expansion in the way that the sequence
romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}

needs only one "hit" by expandafter for producing K "hits" by expandafter.



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>} reduces the amount of expandafter-chains that is needed to only one expandafter-chain.



Syntax:



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>K times the leading token of <token sequence> will be "hit" by expandafter .

In expansion contexts the leading romannumeral being "hit" by one expandafter is sufficient for obtaining these K "hits" by expandafter on the leading token of <token sequence>.



E.g., with



deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }


expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}topstringtop



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}topstringfirst0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}topstringsecond1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}topstringthird2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}topstringfourth3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}topstringfifth4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}topstringsixth5 4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}topstring6 5 4 3 2 1 0



There are several ways of implementing Expandtimes.

(A boring way is:



deffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}
defsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}

% A check is needed for finding out if an argument is catcode-11-"d" while there are only
% the possibilities that the argument is either a single catcode-11-"d"
% or a single catcode-12-"m":
definnerdfork#1d#2#3dd{#2}%
defdfork#1{innerdfork#1{firstoftwo}d{secondoftwo}dd}%

% By means of romannumeral create as many catcode-12-characters m as expansion-steps are to take place.
% Then by means of recursion for each of these m double the amount of `expandafter`-tokens and
% add one `expandafter`-token within innerExp's first argument.
defExpandtimes#1{0expandafterinnerExpexpandafter{expandafter}romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000d}
definnerExp#1#2{dfork{#2}{#1 }{innerExp{#1#1expandafter}}}

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

bye


)



The example at the bottom of this answer exhibits another way of implementing it.

(The Expandtimes-variant in the example at the bottom of this answer does trigger a lot of csname-expansion which in turn does affect allocation of memory related to the semantic nest size. )



E.g., if you wish the macro top to be "hit" by expandafter six times
while top—before insertion of expandafter—being the 16th token in the token-stream, you will need to have inserted six expandafter-chains for bypassing 15 tokens. That's a lot of expandafter.

(According to the formula, that would be 15·(26-1) expandafter = 945 expandafter.)



Using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>-thingie, you can easily reduce to needing only one expandafter-chain bypassing 15 tokens.
(According to the formula, that would be 15·(21-1) expandafter = 15 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 930 expandafter.)



This would look like this:



expandaftertokA
expandaftertokB
expandaftertokC
expandaftertokD
expandaftertokE
expandaftertokF
expandaftertokG
expandaftertokH
expandaftertokI
expandaftertokJ
expandaftertokK
expandaftertokL
expandaftertokM
expandaftertokN
expandaftertokO
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top


But 15 still is a lot of expandafter.



By now only the trick of reducing to needing only one expandafter-chain by using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}-thingie was applied.

Now there is only a single expandafter-chain.

But that chain is long.



Keep expandafter-chains short by having TeX flip around macro arguments.



Another trick for reducing the amount of expandafter in your code
which can be applied in many (but not all!!) situations is keeping expandafter-chains short simply by having TeX flip macro arguments around/simply by having TeX exchange macro arguments
:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{%
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


Now there is a reduction from needing 945 expandafter to needing 2 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 943 expandafter.



But there is a subtle difference:



With the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-approach bypassing 15 tokens by means of 15 expandafter, only one expansion-step ("hitting" the first expandafterof the expandafter-chain) needs to be triggered for obtaining the 6-level-expansion of top.



With the approach where the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-thingie was combined with exchange-ing arguments, two expansion-steps need to be triggered. One expansion-step is needed for "hitting" the first expandafter of the expandafter-chain consisting of only two expandafter. Another one is needed for getting exchange into doing its job of exchanging arguments.



If needed, you can once more apply good old romannumeral-expansion for reducing to needing to trigger only one expansion step:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

romannumeral0%<-romannumeral keeps seeking digits and therefore keeps expanding expandable tokens.
expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{ %<-the space between the opening brace and the percent is needed!!
% It gets tokenized as a space-token. After exchanging, it is behind
% the 0-digit-token from romannumeral0 and causes romannumeral to
% terminate. It gets removed by romannumeral which in turn does not
% deliver any tokens as 0 is not a positive number.
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


With this technique the amount of expandafter is independent from the amount of tokens that are to be "jumped" over.

This technique is useful when the amount of tokens to be "jumped" over is not predictable due to these tokens being delivered via macro-arguments.



Now an example where the tricks are combined for attaching tokens to a list that is stored as a macro whose name is to be given:



longdeffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}%
longdefsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}%
longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

longdefname#1#{innername{#1}}%
longdefinnername#1#2{%
expandafterexchangeexpandafter{csname#2endcsname}{#1}%
}%


defrmstop{0 }%
defExpandtimes#1{%
csname rmstopexpandafterExpandtimesloop
romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000Dendcsname
}%
defExpandtimesloop#1{%
if mnoexpand#1%
expandafterexpandaftercsname endcsnameexpandafterExpandtimesloopfi
}%


% The most frugal and most boring thingie without name and without Expandtimes
% and without romannumeral.
longdefappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% Another thingie without name and without Expandtimes.
% This time a romannumeral-trick is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsnameexpandafter{%
romannumeral0secondoftwo{}{expandafterexpandafterexpandafter} %
csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% One more thingie. This time name and exchange and romannumeral-expansion
% are used. On the first glimpse it is confusing. Therefore it is one of my
% favorites.
longdefAndOneMoreAppendtolist#1#2{%
nameifx{#1}relaxexpandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{namedef{#1}{#2}}%
{expandafterexchangeexpandafter{expandafter{romannumeralname0 {#1},#2}}%
{nameexpandafterdefexpandafter{#1}expandafter}%
}%
}%

% Yet another thingie.
% This time the helper-macro Expandtimes is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefyetotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsname
expandafter{romannumeralExpandtimes{2}csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% A thingie where you can specify the level of expansion before appending.
longdefAppendLevelExpandedTolist#1#2#3{%
expandafterdef
csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter{%
romannumeral
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{}{%
Expandtimes{2}csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter,%
romannumeral
}%
Expandtimes{#2}#3%
}%
}%

tt

appendtolist{mylist}{element1}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

appendtolist{mylist}{element2}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

otherappendtolist{mylist}{element3}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

AndOneMoreAppendtolist{mylist}{element4}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

yetotherappendtolist{mylist}{element5}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

hrule

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

hrule

Now testing stringAppendLevelExpandedTolist:

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{0}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{1}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{2}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{3}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{4}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{5}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{6}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{7}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

bye





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    Such a great answer! I can't wait to go through it all. Thanks for the time you obviously spent composing this.

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Appending to an existing (parameterless) macro only requires one chain:



expandafterdefexpandafterfooexpandafter{foo<material to add>}


If the parameterless macro is called by name, so requiring csname, the problem is a bit more complicated, requiring seven expandafter tokens scattered in various places.



You can do it more easily with various methods.



makeatletter
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
@ifundefined{#1}
{@namedef{#1}{#2}}% not yet defined
{append@to@list{#1}{#2}}%
}
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
toks0=expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname #1endcsname}%
toks2={,#2}%
expandafteredefcsname#1endcsname{thetoks0 thetoks2}
}
makeatother


With the triple expandafter we reach after the { and expand twice csname #1endcsname; the first time we obtain the macro name, the second time its expansion. I use the fact that thetoks<n> is just expanded once in an edef.



You can do better, though. First define append@to@list for the case



append@to@list{foo}{bar}


which is easy enough (and is what you already did)



makeatletter
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
ifx#1undefined
expandafter@firstoftwo
else
expandafter@secondoftwo
fi
{def#1{#2}}%
{expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}}%
}
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
expandafterappend@to@listcsname#1endcsname{#2}%
}


Do you see the trick? The token obtained by expanding csname#1endcsname once is passed to append@to@list.



This is very similar to the method used by etoolbox with its appto and csappto macros. However, whilst the code above doesn't rely on e-TeX primitives, the code in etoolbox does. With etoolbox it's very easy:



newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
ifcsundef{#1}
{csappto{#1}{#2}}
{csappto{#1}{,#2}}%
}


Last but not least: use expl3: no expandafter at all, so no need to count them.



documentclass{article}
usepackage{xparse}

ExplSyntaxOn
NewDocumentCommand{appendtolist}{mm}
{% #1 = list name, #2 = tokens to append
tl_if_exist:cTF { komar_list_#1_tl }
{
tl_put_right:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { ,#2 }
}
{
tl_new:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
tl_set:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { #2 }
}
}
NewExpandableDocumentCommand{uselist}{m}
{% #1 = list name
tl_use:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
}
ExplSyntaxOff

begin{document}

appendtolist{test}{a} uselist{test}

appendtolist{test}{b} uselist{test}

end{document}


For this case it would probably be better to use a clist variable, instead.



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  • I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

    – Jonathan Komar
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  • @macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20













  • That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

    – Jonathan Komar
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    @macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

    – egreg
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  • It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

    – Jonathan Komar
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The primitive expandafter carries out exactly one expansion and leaves the result of this in the input stream. Thus



expandafterdefcsname #1endcsname


with #1 as foo is equivalent after one expansion to



deffoo


To get things correct, you have to track how many expansions are required and to know the number of expandafter commands you need (1, 3, 7, ..., for 1, 2, 3, ... expansions, respectively). We also have some 'tricks' available.



In



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
....


need to first do a test for existence (which you already have) then to expand csname #1endcsname to the command name in two places. This is best done as



expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter
{csname #1endcsname,#2}%


There is a 'trick' here. We first expand past the def to start constructing the name of the macro we want for storage. At the end of the csname ... construct, we need three expandafters (and two sets as there is a brace to skip over). That's the case as we need to do two expansions: the first to turn csname #1endcsname into the macro name (say foo), and the second to expand foo into the content of foo.



Expansion is all about tracking exactly what is in the input stream, and being aware of how many steps you require.






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    Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

    – Jonathan Komar
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  • "two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

    – Jonathan Komar
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  • @macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

    – Joseph Wright
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  • Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:35













  • @macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 15:43
















11














The primitive expandafter carries out exactly one expansion and leaves the result of this in the input stream. Thus



expandafterdefcsname #1endcsname


with #1 as foo is equivalent after one expansion to



deffoo


To get things correct, you have to track how many expansions are required and to know the number of expandafter commands you need (1, 3, 7, ..., for 1, 2, 3, ... expansions, respectively). We also have some 'tricks' available.



In



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
....


need to first do a test for existence (which you already have) then to expand csname #1endcsname to the command name in two places. This is best done as



expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter
{csname #1endcsname,#2}%


There is a 'trick' here. We first expand past the def to start constructing the name of the macro we want for storage. At the end of the csname ... construct, we need three expandafters (and two sets as there is a brace to skip over). That's the case as we need to do two expansions: the first to turn csname #1endcsname into the macro name (say foo), and the second to expand foo into the content of foo.



Expansion is all about tracking exactly what is in the input stream, and being aware of how many steps you require.






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  • 1





    Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 16:52













  • "two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:11













  • @macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27











  • Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:35













  • @macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 15:43














11












11








11







The primitive expandafter carries out exactly one expansion and leaves the result of this in the input stream. Thus



expandafterdefcsname #1endcsname


with #1 as foo is equivalent after one expansion to



deffoo


To get things correct, you have to track how many expansions are required and to know the number of expandafter commands you need (1, 3, 7, ..., for 1, 2, 3, ... expansions, respectively). We also have some 'tricks' available.



In



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
....


need to first do a test for existence (which you already have) then to expand csname #1endcsname to the command name in two places. This is best done as



expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter
{csname #1endcsname,#2}%


There is a 'trick' here. We first expand past the def to start constructing the name of the macro we want for storage. At the end of the csname ... construct, we need three expandafters (and two sets as there is a brace to skip over). That's the case as we need to do two expansions: the first to turn csname #1endcsname into the macro name (say foo), and the second to expand foo into the content of foo.



Expansion is all about tracking exactly what is in the input stream, and being aware of how many steps you require.






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The primitive expandafter carries out exactly one expansion and leaves the result of this in the input stream. Thus



expandafterdefcsname #1endcsname


with #1 as foo is equivalent after one expansion to



deffoo


To get things correct, you have to track how many expansions are required and to know the number of expandafter commands you need (1, 3, 7, ..., for 1, 2, 3, ... expansions, respectively). We also have some 'tricks' available.



In



defappendtolist#1#2{% #1 = Macro Name (list) #2=New Item to Append
....


need to first do a test for existence (which you already have) then to expand csname #1endcsname to the command name in two places. This is best done as



expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter
{csname #1endcsname,#2}%


There is a 'trick' here. We first expand past the def to start constructing the name of the macro we want for storage. At the end of the csname ... construct, we need three expandafters (and two sets as there is a brace to skip over). That's the case as we need to do two expansions: the first to turn csname #1endcsname into the macro name (say foo), and the second to expand foo into the content of foo.



Expansion is all about tracking exactly what is in the input stream, and being aware of how many steps you require.







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    Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 16:52













  • "two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:11













  • @macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27











  • Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:35













  • @macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 15:43














  • 1





    Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 25 '16 at 16:52













  • "two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:11













  • @macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27











  • Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:35













  • @macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

    – Joseph Wright
    Jul 26 '16 at 15:43








1




1





Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 25 '16 at 16:52







Great answer! You forgot to add a disclaimer: Learning expansion could lead to headaches, unusual outbreaks of aggression including, but not limited to, foul language.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 25 '16 at 16:52















"two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:11







"two sets as there is a brace to skip over" implies a change to our formula 2^n-1. I am certainly no math expert but it would seem to calculate expandafters with braces: 1 brace=b=1, sob(2(2^n-1)). If there were two braces, I would need 12 expandafters. In other words, a boatload of them ;)

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:11















@macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

– Joseph Wright
Jul 26 '16 at 10:27





@macmadness86 I don't mean the number of expandafters required in each place, I mean that to skip over the brace we need them in two places: expandafterfooexpandafterbarexpandafterbaztarget expands the target only once but has to skip over three things, for example.

– Joseph Wright
Jul 26 '16 at 10:27













Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:35







Yep, we're on the same wavelength (I understood "sets"). Thanks. I just want to be able to predict when I need sets. I would not have guessed to put the first set before the endcsname, for example. But I guess that is because endcsname is in itself a second control sequence whereasdef is only one. I found a similar explanation of csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken here for future reference: tex.stackexchange.com/a/519/13552

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:35















@macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

– Joseph Wright
Jul 26 '16 at 15:43





@macmadness86 You need to expandafter each token you want to skip. In the case of csname ...endcsname the trick is that as this also does expansion we don't have to skip each token in the name, but can just do the expandafter at the end of the name, immediately before endcsname.

– Joseph Wright
Jul 26 '16 at 15:43











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Formula for the amount of expandafter that need to be inserted.



If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires to have inserted (2K-1) expandafter-tokens in front of each of these L tokens that are to be "juped" over.



Thus:
If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter into the .tex-input.



The basic procedure is successively inserting expandafter-chains.

Each expandafter-chain yields another level of expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but zero will deliver the first-level-expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but one will deliver the second-level-expansion.

...

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but (K-1) will deliver the K-level-expansion.



The point hereby is:



Having added another expandafter-chain means having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over by the expandafter-chain that is to be added.

Therefore you need to trace the number of tokens that should be "jumped" over by adding the new expandafter-chain.



Example:



Having TeX "jump" over four tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the 2-level-expansion outgoing from the 5th token requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter while L=4 and K=2, thus requires the insertion of 4·(22-1) expandafter= 12 expandafter into the .tex-input:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Fifth |Fifth |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of First
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Second % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Second
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter third % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Third
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Fourth % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Fourth
Fifth %A total of Lx(2^K-1)=4x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted into the .tex-input


Let's look at the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (1+1)th token (= the 2nd token).



It is required to insert 1·(2K-1) expandafter=2K-1 expandafter into the .tex-input.



(Assume First is the 1st token before insertion of expandafter and Secondis the 2nd token before insertion of expandafter.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from Second:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

0 tokens in front of Second should be "jumped" over.

There are/is 20 tokens = 1 token in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 20-1 expandafter = 0 expandafter:



FirstSecond




Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are 20 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(20) tokens=21 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 21-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|
%|after-chain|
%|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |
%|vers |
%|1-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|
%|-going from|
%|Second |
%| | |
expandafterFirst
Second




Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are 21 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(21) tokens=22 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 22-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are 22 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(22) tokens=23 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 23-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are 23 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(23) tokens=24 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 24-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|4-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case ...





Get the picture?



By the way:



There was introduced some indentation providing a visible impression where things are split up in columns.

One column is one expandafter-chain delivering one level of expansion.

If you count the amount of expandafter per column/per expandafter-chain from the rightmost column to the leftmost column, this yields:

1+2+4+8+... = ∑i=1..K{2(i-1)}=2K-1.



In case of obtaining 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second you have 4 columns of expandafter holding 1+2+4+8 expandafter= ∑i=1..4{2(i-1)} expandafter= 24-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 5-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16 expandafter = ∑i=1..5{2(i-1)} expandafter = 25-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 6-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8+16 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8+16) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16+32 expandafter = ∑i=1..6{2(i-1)} expandafter = 26-1 expandafter.



Now let's think about the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token.



(After inserting expandafter, the (L+1)th token won't be the (L+1)th token any more. Therefore the token which is the (L+1)th token before insertion of expandafter will be referred to as "(L+1)-token"—in some places "(L+1)" is an ordinal number, in other places it is a nominal number.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

The (L+1)-token is the (L+1)th-token in the token-stream.

There are 0 tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

There are L tokens = L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(20)-L expandafter=L·(20-1) expandafter=0 expandafter.





Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(20)) tokens = L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(21)-L expandafter=L·(21-1) expandafter.





Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(21)) tokens = L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(22)-L expandafter=L·(22-1) expandafter.





Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(22)) tokens = L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(23)-L expandafter=L·(23-1) expandafter.





Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(23)) tokens = L·(24) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(24)-L expandafter=L·(24-1) expandafter.





Case ...





There are tricks for reducing the amount of expandafter.



Some tricks have to do with the fact that expansion is triggered by tokens like if and ifcat and romannumeral and csname.



Other tricks have to do with having TeX flip macro arguments around.



E.g., using TeX' #{-notation, you can define a macro name which does take tokens before the first opening brace for an argument and causes another (internal) macro to take tokens nested into the first opening brace and the corresponding closing brace for another/a second argument.



This way you don't need to write expandafter-chains for starting csname-expansion.



I elaborated on the name-macro in the thread "Define a control sequence after that a space matters" which was started at TeX - LaTeX StackExchange in November 10, 2016.



Basically the macro name is one of those things that are about having TeX flip macro arguments around.



Let's have a look at taking advantage of romannumeral-expansion.



Actually romannumeral is there for—well—delivering roman numerals. But there are subtleties in the way in which romannumeral works which make romannumeral very interesting for other purposes:



romannumeral keeps expanding until it finds a number while not delivering any token in case the number found is not positive.



Therefore romannumeral can be (ab?)used for triggering a lot of expansion-work as long as in the end the first tokens from the expansion-result form a non-positive number.



You can easily create a macro Expandtimes{<number K>} which takes advantage of romannumeral-expansion in the way that the sequence
romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}

needs only one "hit" by expandafter for producing K "hits" by expandafter.



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>} reduces the amount of expandafter-chains that is needed to only one expandafter-chain.



Syntax:



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>K times the leading token of <token sequence> will be "hit" by expandafter .

In expansion contexts the leading romannumeral being "hit" by one expandafter is sufficient for obtaining these K "hits" by expandafter on the leading token of <token sequence>.



E.g., with



deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }


expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}topstringtop



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}topstringfirst0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}topstringsecond1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}topstringthird2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}topstringfourth3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}topstringfifth4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}topstringsixth5 4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}topstring6 5 4 3 2 1 0



There are several ways of implementing Expandtimes.

(A boring way is:



deffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}
defsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}

% A check is needed for finding out if an argument is catcode-11-"d" while there are only
% the possibilities that the argument is either a single catcode-11-"d"
% or a single catcode-12-"m":
definnerdfork#1d#2#3dd{#2}%
defdfork#1{innerdfork#1{firstoftwo}d{secondoftwo}dd}%

% By means of romannumeral create as many catcode-12-characters m as expansion-steps are to take place.
% Then by means of recursion for each of these m double the amount of `expandafter`-tokens and
% add one `expandafter`-token within innerExp's first argument.
defExpandtimes#1{0expandafterinnerExpexpandafter{expandafter}romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000d}
definnerExp#1#2{dfork{#2}{#1 }{innerExp{#1#1expandafter}}}

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

bye


)



The example at the bottom of this answer exhibits another way of implementing it.

(The Expandtimes-variant in the example at the bottom of this answer does trigger a lot of csname-expansion which in turn does affect allocation of memory related to the semantic nest size. )



E.g., if you wish the macro top to be "hit" by expandafter six times
while top—before insertion of expandafter—being the 16th token in the token-stream, you will need to have inserted six expandafter-chains for bypassing 15 tokens. That's a lot of expandafter.

(According to the formula, that would be 15·(26-1) expandafter = 945 expandafter.)



Using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>-thingie, you can easily reduce to needing only one expandafter-chain bypassing 15 tokens.
(According to the formula, that would be 15·(21-1) expandafter = 15 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 930 expandafter.)



This would look like this:



expandaftertokA
expandaftertokB
expandaftertokC
expandaftertokD
expandaftertokE
expandaftertokF
expandaftertokG
expandaftertokH
expandaftertokI
expandaftertokJ
expandaftertokK
expandaftertokL
expandaftertokM
expandaftertokN
expandaftertokO
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top


But 15 still is a lot of expandafter.



By now only the trick of reducing to needing only one expandafter-chain by using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}-thingie was applied.

Now there is only a single expandafter-chain.

But that chain is long.



Keep expandafter-chains short by having TeX flip around macro arguments.



Another trick for reducing the amount of expandafter in your code
which can be applied in many (but not all!!) situations is keeping expandafter-chains short simply by having TeX flip macro arguments around/simply by having TeX exchange macro arguments
:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{%
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


Now there is a reduction from needing 945 expandafter to needing 2 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 943 expandafter.



But there is a subtle difference:



With the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-approach bypassing 15 tokens by means of 15 expandafter, only one expansion-step ("hitting" the first expandafterof the expandafter-chain) needs to be triggered for obtaining the 6-level-expansion of top.



With the approach where the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-thingie was combined with exchange-ing arguments, two expansion-steps need to be triggered. One expansion-step is needed for "hitting" the first expandafter of the expandafter-chain consisting of only two expandafter. Another one is needed for getting exchange into doing its job of exchanging arguments.



If needed, you can once more apply good old romannumeral-expansion for reducing to needing to trigger only one expansion step:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

romannumeral0%<-romannumeral keeps seeking digits and therefore keeps expanding expandable tokens.
expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{ %<-the space between the opening brace and the percent is needed!!
% It gets tokenized as a space-token. After exchanging, it is behind
% the 0-digit-token from romannumeral0 and causes romannumeral to
% terminate. It gets removed by romannumeral which in turn does not
% deliver any tokens as 0 is not a positive number.
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


With this technique the amount of expandafter is independent from the amount of tokens that are to be "jumped" over.

This technique is useful when the amount of tokens to be "jumped" over is not predictable due to these tokens being delivered via macro-arguments.



Now an example where the tricks are combined for attaching tokens to a list that is stored as a macro whose name is to be given:



longdeffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}%
longdefsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}%
longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

longdefname#1#{innername{#1}}%
longdefinnername#1#2{%
expandafterexchangeexpandafter{csname#2endcsname}{#1}%
}%


defrmstop{0 }%
defExpandtimes#1{%
csname rmstopexpandafterExpandtimesloop
romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000Dendcsname
}%
defExpandtimesloop#1{%
if mnoexpand#1%
expandafterexpandaftercsname endcsnameexpandafterExpandtimesloopfi
}%


% The most frugal and most boring thingie without name and without Expandtimes
% and without romannumeral.
longdefappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% Another thingie without name and without Expandtimes.
% This time a romannumeral-trick is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsnameexpandafter{%
romannumeral0secondoftwo{}{expandafterexpandafterexpandafter} %
csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% One more thingie. This time name and exchange and romannumeral-expansion
% are used. On the first glimpse it is confusing. Therefore it is one of my
% favorites.
longdefAndOneMoreAppendtolist#1#2{%
nameifx{#1}relaxexpandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{namedef{#1}{#2}}%
{expandafterexchangeexpandafter{expandafter{romannumeralname0 {#1},#2}}%
{nameexpandafterdefexpandafter{#1}expandafter}%
}%
}%

% Yet another thingie.
% This time the helper-macro Expandtimes is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefyetotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsname
expandafter{romannumeralExpandtimes{2}csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% A thingie where you can specify the level of expansion before appending.
longdefAppendLevelExpandedTolist#1#2#3{%
expandafterdef
csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter{%
romannumeral
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{}{%
Expandtimes{2}csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter,%
romannumeral
}%
Expandtimes{#2}#3%
}%
}%

tt

appendtolist{mylist}{element1}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

appendtolist{mylist}{element2}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

otherappendtolist{mylist}{element3}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

AndOneMoreAppendtolist{mylist}{element4}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

yetotherappendtolist{mylist}{element5}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

hrule

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

hrule

Now testing stringAppendLevelExpandedTolist:

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{0}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{1}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{2}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{3}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{4}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{5}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{6}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{7}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

bye





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Formula for the amount of expandafter that need to be inserted.



If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires to have inserted (2K-1) expandafter-tokens in front of each of these L tokens that are to be "juped" over.



Thus:
If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter into the .tex-input.



The basic procedure is successively inserting expandafter-chains.

Each expandafter-chain yields another level of expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but zero will deliver the first-level-expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but one will deliver the second-level-expansion.

...

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but (K-1) will deliver the K-level-expansion.



The point hereby is:



Having added another expandafter-chain means having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over by the expandafter-chain that is to be added.

Therefore you need to trace the number of tokens that should be "jumped" over by adding the new expandafter-chain.



Example:



Having TeX "jump" over four tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the 2-level-expansion outgoing from the 5th token requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter while L=4 and K=2, thus requires the insertion of 4·(22-1) expandafter= 12 expandafter into the .tex-input:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Fifth |Fifth |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of First
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Second % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Second
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter third % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Third
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Fourth % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Fourth
Fifth %A total of Lx(2^K-1)=4x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted into the .tex-input


Let's look at the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (1+1)th token (= the 2nd token).



It is required to insert 1·(2K-1) expandafter=2K-1 expandafter into the .tex-input.



(Assume First is the 1st token before insertion of expandafter and Secondis the 2nd token before insertion of expandafter.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from Second:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

0 tokens in front of Second should be "jumped" over.

There are/is 20 tokens = 1 token in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 20-1 expandafter = 0 expandafter:



FirstSecond




Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are 20 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(20) tokens=21 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 21-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|
%|after-chain|
%|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |
%|vers |
%|1-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|
%|-going from|
%|Second |
%| | |
expandafterFirst
Second




Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are 21 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(21) tokens=22 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 22-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are 22 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(22) tokens=23 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 23-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are 23 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(23) tokens=24 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 24-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|4-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case ...





Get the picture?



By the way:



There was introduced some indentation providing a visible impression where things are split up in columns.

One column is one expandafter-chain delivering one level of expansion.

If you count the amount of expandafter per column/per expandafter-chain from the rightmost column to the leftmost column, this yields:

1+2+4+8+... = ∑i=1..K{2(i-1)}=2K-1.



In case of obtaining 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second you have 4 columns of expandafter holding 1+2+4+8 expandafter= ∑i=1..4{2(i-1)} expandafter= 24-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 5-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16 expandafter = ∑i=1..5{2(i-1)} expandafter = 25-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 6-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8+16 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8+16) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16+32 expandafter = ∑i=1..6{2(i-1)} expandafter = 26-1 expandafter.



Now let's think about the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token.



(After inserting expandafter, the (L+1)th token won't be the (L+1)th token any more. Therefore the token which is the (L+1)th token before insertion of expandafter will be referred to as "(L+1)-token"—in some places "(L+1)" is an ordinal number, in other places it is a nominal number.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

The (L+1)-token is the (L+1)th-token in the token-stream.

There are 0 tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

There are L tokens = L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(20)-L expandafter=L·(20-1) expandafter=0 expandafter.





Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(20)) tokens = L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(21)-L expandafter=L·(21-1) expandafter.





Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(21)) tokens = L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(22)-L expandafter=L·(22-1) expandafter.





Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(22)) tokens = L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(23)-L expandafter=L·(23-1) expandafter.





Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(23)) tokens = L·(24) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(24)-L expandafter=L·(24-1) expandafter.





Case ...





There are tricks for reducing the amount of expandafter.



Some tricks have to do with the fact that expansion is triggered by tokens like if and ifcat and romannumeral and csname.



Other tricks have to do with having TeX flip macro arguments around.



E.g., using TeX' #{-notation, you can define a macro name which does take tokens before the first opening brace for an argument and causes another (internal) macro to take tokens nested into the first opening brace and the corresponding closing brace for another/a second argument.



This way you don't need to write expandafter-chains for starting csname-expansion.



I elaborated on the name-macro in the thread "Define a control sequence after that a space matters" which was started at TeX - LaTeX StackExchange in November 10, 2016.



Basically the macro name is one of those things that are about having TeX flip macro arguments around.



Let's have a look at taking advantage of romannumeral-expansion.



Actually romannumeral is there for—well—delivering roman numerals. But there are subtleties in the way in which romannumeral works which make romannumeral very interesting for other purposes:



romannumeral keeps expanding until it finds a number while not delivering any token in case the number found is not positive.



Therefore romannumeral can be (ab?)used for triggering a lot of expansion-work as long as in the end the first tokens from the expansion-result form a non-positive number.



You can easily create a macro Expandtimes{<number K>} which takes advantage of romannumeral-expansion in the way that the sequence
romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}

needs only one "hit" by expandafter for producing K "hits" by expandafter.



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>} reduces the amount of expandafter-chains that is needed to only one expandafter-chain.



Syntax:



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>K times the leading token of <token sequence> will be "hit" by expandafter .

In expansion contexts the leading romannumeral being "hit" by one expandafter is sufficient for obtaining these K "hits" by expandafter on the leading token of <token sequence>.



E.g., with



deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }


expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}topstringtop



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}topstringfirst0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}topstringsecond1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}topstringthird2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}topstringfourth3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}topstringfifth4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}topstringsixth5 4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}topstring6 5 4 3 2 1 0



There are several ways of implementing Expandtimes.

(A boring way is:



deffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}
defsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}

% A check is needed for finding out if an argument is catcode-11-"d" while there are only
% the possibilities that the argument is either a single catcode-11-"d"
% or a single catcode-12-"m":
definnerdfork#1d#2#3dd{#2}%
defdfork#1{innerdfork#1{firstoftwo}d{secondoftwo}dd}%

% By means of romannumeral create as many catcode-12-characters m as expansion-steps are to take place.
% Then by means of recursion for each of these m double the amount of `expandafter`-tokens and
% add one `expandafter`-token within innerExp's first argument.
defExpandtimes#1{0expandafterinnerExpexpandafter{expandafter}romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000d}
definnerExp#1#2{dfork{#2}{#1 }{innerExp{#1#1expandafter}}}

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

bye


)



The example at the bottom of this answer exhibits another way of implementing it.

(The Expandtimes-variant in the example at the bottom of this answer does trigger a lot of csname-expansion which in turn does affect allocation of memory related to the semantic nest size. )



E.g., if you wish the macro top to be "hit" by expandafter six times
while top—before insertion of expandafter—being the 16th token in the token-stream, you will need to have inserted six expandafter-chains for bypassing 15 tokens. That's a lot of expandafter.

(According to the formula, that would be 15·(26-1) expandafter = 945 expandafter.)



Using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>-thingie, you can easily reduce to needing only one expandafter-chain bypassing 15 tokens.
(According to the formula, that would be 15·(21-1) expandafter = 15 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 930 expandafter.)



This would look like this:



expandaftertokA
expandaftertokB
expandaftertokC
expandaftertokD
expandaftertokE
expandaftertokF
expandaftertokG
expandaftertokH
expandaftertokI
expandaftertokJ
expandaftertokK
expandaftertokL
expandaftertokM
expandaftertokN
expandaftertokO
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top


But 15 still is a lot of expandafter.



By now only the trick of reducing to needing only one expandafter-chain by using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}-thingie was applied.

Now there is only a single expandafter-chain.

But that chain is long.



Keep expandafter-chains short by having TeX flip around macro arguments.



Another trick for reducing the amount of expandafter in your code
which can be applied in many (but not all!!) situations is keeping expandafter-chains short simply by having TeX flip macro arguments around/simply by having TeX exchange macro arguments
:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{%
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


Now there is a reduction from needing 945 expandafter to needing 2 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 943 expandafter.



But there is a subtle difference:



With the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-approach bypassing 15 tokens by means of 15 expandafter, only one expansion-step ("hitting" the first expandafterof the expandafter-chain) needs to be triggered for obtaining the 6-level-expansion of top.



With the approach where the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-thingie was combined with exchange-ing arguments, two expansion-steps need to be triggered. One expansion-step is needed for "hitting" the first expandafter of the expandafter-chain consisting of only two expandafter. Another one is needed for getting exchange into doing its job of exchanging arguments.



If needed, you can once more apply good old romannumeral-expansion for reducing to needing to trigger only one expansion step:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

romannumeral0%<-romannumeral keeps seeking digits and therefore keeps expanding expandable tokens.
expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{ %<-the space between the opening brace and the percent is needed!!
% It gets tokenized as a space-token. After exchanging, it is behind
% the 0-digit-token from romannumeral0 and causes romannumeral to
% terminate. It gets removed by romannumeral which in turn does not
% deliver any tokens as 0 is not a positive number.
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


With this technique the amount of expandafter is independent from the amount of tokens that are to be "jumped" over.

This technique is useful when the amount of tokens to be "jumped" over is not predictable due to these tokens being delivered via macro-arguments.



Now an example where the tricks are combined for attaching tokens to a list that is stored as a macro whose name is to be given:



longdeffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}%
longdefsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}%
longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

longdefname#1#{innername{#1}}%
longdefinnername#1#2{%
expandafterexchangeexpandafter{csname#2endcsname}{#1}%
}%


defrmstop{0 }%
defExpandtimes#1{%
csname rmstopexpandafterExpandtimesloop
romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000Dendcsname
}%
defExpandtimesloop#1{%
if mnoexpand#1%
expandafterexpandaftercsname endcsnameexpandafterExpandtimesloopfi
}%


% The most frugal and most boring thingie without name and without Expandtimes
% and without romannumeral.
longdefappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% Another thingie without name and without Expandtimes.
% This time a romannumeral-trick is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsnameexpandafter{%
romannumeral0secondoftwo{}{expandafterexpandafterexpandafter} %
csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% One more thingie. This time name and exchange and romannumeral-expansion
% are used. On the first glimpse it is confusing. Therefore it is one of my
% favorites.
longdefAndOneMoreAppendtolist#1#2{%
nameifx{#1}relaxexpandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{namedef{#1}{#2}}%
{expandafterexchangeexpandafter{expandafter{romannumeralname0 {#1},#2}}%
{nameexpandafterdefexpandafter{#1}expandafter}%
}%
}%

% Yet another thingie.
% This time the helper-macro Expandtimes is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefyetotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsname
expandafter{romannumeralExpandtimes{2}csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% A thingie where you can specify the level of expansion before appending.
longdefAppendLevelExpandedTolist#1#2#3{%
expandafterdef
csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter{%
romannumeral
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{}{%
Expandtimes{2}csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter,%
romannumeral
}%
Expandtimes{#2}#3%
}%
}%

tt

appendtolist{mylist}{element1}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

appendtolist{mylist}{element2}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

otherappendtolist{mylist}{element3}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

AndOneMoreAppendtolist{mylist}{element4}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

yetotherappendtolist{mylist}{element5}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

hrule

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

hrule

Now testing stringAppendLevelExpandedTolist:

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{0}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{1}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{2}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{3}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{4}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{5}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{6}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{7}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

bye





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Formula for the amount of expandafter that need to be inserted.



If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires to have inserted (2K-1) expandafter-tokens in front of each of these L tokens that are to be "juped" over.



Thus:
If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter into the .tex-input.



The basic procedure is successively inserting expandafter-chains.

Each expandafter-chain yields another level of expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but zero will deliver the first-level-expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but one will deliver the second-level-expansion.

...

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but (K-1) will deliver the K-level-expansion.



The point hereby is:



Having added another expandafter-chain means having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over by the expandafter-chain that is to be added.

Therefore you need to trace the number of tokens that should be "jumped" over by adding the new expandafter-chain.



Example:



Having TeX "jump" over four tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the 2-level-expansion outgoing from the 5th token requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter while L=4 and K=2, thus requires the insertion of 4·(22-1) expandafter= 12 expandafter into the .tex-input:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Fifth |Fifth |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of First
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Second % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Second
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter third % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Third
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Fourth % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Fourth
Fifth %A total of Lx(2^K-1)=4x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted into the .tex-input


Let's look at the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (1+1)th token (= the 2nd token).



It is required to insert 1·(2K-1) expandafter=2K-1 expandafter into the .tex-input.



(Assume First is the 1st token before insertion of expandafter and Secondis the 2nd token before insertion of expandafter.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from Second:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

0 tokens in front of Second should be "jumped" over.

There are/is 20 tokens = 1 token in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 20-1 expandafter = 0 expandafter:



FirstSecond




Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are 20 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(20) tokens=21 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 21-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|
%|after-chain|
%|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |
%|vers |
%|1-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|
%|-going from|
%|Second |
%| | |
expandafterFirst
Second




Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are 21 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(21) tokens=22 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 22-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are 22 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(22) tokens=23 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 23-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are 23 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(23) tokens=24 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 24-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|4-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case ...





Get the picture?



By the way:



There was introduced some indentation providing a visible impression where things are split up in columns.

One column is one expandafter-chain delivering one level of expansion.

If you count the amount of expandafter per column/per expandafter-chain from the rightmost column to the leftmost column, this yields:

1+2+4+8+... = ∑i=1..K{2(i-1)}=2K-1.



In case of obtaining 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second you have 4 columns of expandafter holding 1+2+4+8 expandafter= ∑i=1..4{2(i-1)} expandafter= 24-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 5-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16 expandafter = ∑i=1..5{2(i-1)} expandafter = 25-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 6-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8+16 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8+16) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16+32 expandafter = ∑i=1..6{2(i-1)} expandafter = 26-1 expandafter.



Now let's think about the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token.



(After inserting expandafter, the (L+1)th token won't be the (L+1)th token any more. Therefore the token which is the (L+1)th token before insertion of expandafter will be referred to as "(L+1)-token"—in some places "(L+1)" is an ordinal number, in other places it is a nominal number.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

The (L+1)-token is the (L+1)th-token in the token-stream.

There are 0 tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

There are L tokens = L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(20)-L expandafter=L·(20-1) expandafter=0 expandafter.





Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(20)) tokens = L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(21)-L expandafter=L·(21-1) expandafter.





Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(21)) tokens = L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(22)-L expandafter=L·(22-1) expandafter.





Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(22)) tokens = L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(23)-L expandafter=L·(23-1) expandafter.





Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(23)) tokens = L·(24) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(24)-L expandafter=L·(24-1) expandafter.





Case ...





There are tricks for reducing the amount of expandafter.



Some tricks have to do with the fact that expansion is triggered by tokens like if and ifcat and romannumeral and csname.



Other tricks have to do with having TeX flip macro arguments around.



E.g., using TeX' #{-notation, you can define a macro name which does take tokens before the first opening brace for an argument and causes another (internal) macro to take tokens nested into the first opening brace and the corresponding closing brace for another/a second argument.



This way you don't need to write expandafter-chains for starting csname-expansion.



I elaborated on the name-macro in the thread "Define a control sequence after that a space matters" which was started at TeX - LaTeX StackExchange in November 10, 2016.



Basically the macro name is one of those things that are about having TeX flip macro arguments around.



Let's have a look at taking advantage of romannumeral-expansion.



Actually romannumeral is there for—well—delivering roman numerals. But there are subtleties in the way in which romannumeral works which make romannumeral very interesting for other purposes:



romannumeral keeps expanding until it finds a number while not delivering any token in case the number found is not positive.



Therefore romannumeral can be (ab?)used for triggering a lot of expansion-work as long as in the end the first tokens from the expansion-result form a non-positive number.



You can easily create a macro Expandtimes{<number K>} which takes advantage of romannumeral-expansion in the way that the sequence
romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}

needs only one "hit" by expandafter for producing K "hits" by expandafter.



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>} reduces the amount of expandafter-chains that is needed to only one expandafter-chain.



Syntax:



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>K times the leading token of <token sequence> will be "hit" by expandafter .

In expansion contexts the leading romannumeral being "hit" by one expandafter is sufficient for obtaining these K "hits" by expandafter on the leading token of <token sequence>.



E.g., with



deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }


expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}topstringtop



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}topstringfirst0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}topstringsecond1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}topstringthird2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}topstringfourth3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}topstringfifth4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}topstringsixth5 4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}topstring6 5 4 3 2 1 0



There are several ways of implementing Expandtimes.

(A boring way is:



deffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}
defsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}

% A check is needed for finding out if an argument is catcode-11-"d" while there are only
% the possibilities that the argument is either a single catcode-11-"d"
% or a single catcode-12-"m":
definnerdfork#1d#2#3dd{#2}%
defdfork#1{innerdfork#1{firstoftwo}d{secondoftwo}dd}%

% By means of romannumeral create as many catcode-12-characters m as expansion-steps are to take place.
% Then by means of recursion for each of these m double the amount of `expandafter`-tokens and
% add one `expandafter`-token within innerExp's first argument.
defExpandtimes#1{0expandafterinnerExpexpandafter{expandafter}romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000d}
definnerExp#1#2{dfork{#2}{#1 }{innerExp{#1#1expandafter}}}

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

bye


)



The example at the bottom of this answer exhibits another way of implementing it.

(The Expandtimes-variant in the example at the bottom of this answer does trigger a lot of csname-expansion which in turn does affect allocation of memory related to the semantic nest size. )



E.g., if you wish the macro top to be "hit" by expandafter six times
while top—before insertion of expandafter—being the 16th token in the token-stream, you will need to have inserted six expandafter-chains for bypassing 15 tokens. That's a lot of expandafter.

(According to the formula, that would be 15·(26-1) expandafter = 945 expandafter.)



Using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>-thingie, you can easily reduce to needing only one expandafter-chain bypassing 15 tokens.
(According to the formula, that would be 15·(21-1) expandafter = 15 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 930 expandafter.)



This would look like this:



expandaftertokA
expandaftertokB
expandaftertokC
expandaftertokD
expandaftertokE
expandaftertokF
expandaftertokG
expandaftertokH
expandaftertokI
expandaftertokJ
expandaftertokK
expandaftertokL
expandaftertokM
expandaftertokN
expandaftertokO
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top


But 15 still is a lot of expandafter.



By now only the trick of reducing to needing only one expandafter-chain by using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}-thingie was applied.

Now there is only a single expandafter-chain.

But that chain is long.



Keep expandafter-chains short by having TeX flip around macro arguments.



Another trick for reducing the amount of expandafter in your code
which can be applied in many (but not all!!) situations is keeping expandafter-chains short simply by having TeX flip macro arguments around/simply by having TeX exchange macro arguments
:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{%
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


Now there is a reduction from needing 945 expandafter to needing 2 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 943 expandafter.



But there is a subtle difference:



With the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-approach bypassing 15 tokens by means of 15 expandafter, only one expansion-step ("hitting" the first expandafterof the expandafter-chain) needs to be triggered for obtaining the 6-level-expansion of top.



With the approach where the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-thingie was combined with exchange-ing arguments, two expansion-steps need to be triggered. One expansion-step is needed for "hitting" the first expandafter of the expandafter-chain consisting of only two expandafter. Another one is needed for getting exchange into doing its job of exchanging arguments.



If needed, you can once more apply good old romannumeral-expansion for reducing to needing to trigger only one expansion step:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

romannumeral0%<-romannumeral keeps seeking digits and therefore keeps expanding expandable tokens.
expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{ %<-the space between the opening brace and the percent is needed!!
% It gets tokenized as a space-token. After exchanging, it is behind
% the 0-digit-token from romannumeral0 and causes romannumeral to
% terminate. It gets removed by romannumeral which in turn does not
% deliver any tokens as 0 is not a positive number.
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


With this technique the amount of expandafter is independent from the amount of tokens that are to be "jumped" over.

This technique is useful when the amount of tokens to be "jumped" over is not predictable due to these tokens being delivered via macro-arguments.



Now an example where the tricks are combined for attaching tokens to a list that is stored as a macro whose name is to be given:



longdeffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}%
longdefsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}%
longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

longdefname#1#{innername{#1}}%
longdefinnername#1#2{%
expandafterexchangeexpandafter{csname#2endcsname}{#1}%
}%


defrmstop{0 }%
defExpandtimes#1{%
csname rmstopexpandafterExpandtimesloop
romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000Dendcsname
}%
defExpandtimesloop#1{%
if mnoexpand#1%
expandafterexpandaftercsname endcsnameexpandafterExpandtimesloopfi
}%


% The most frugal and most boring thingie without name and without Expandtimes
% and without romannumeral.
longdefappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% Another thingie without name and without Expandtimes.
% This time a romannumeral-trick is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsnameexpandafter{%
romannumeral0secondoftwo{}{expandafterexpandafterexpandafter} %
csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% One more thingie. This time name and exchange and romannumeral-expansion
% are used. On the first glimpse it is confusing. Therefore it is one of my
% favorites.
longdefAndOneMoreAppendtolist#1#2{%
nameifx{#1}relaxexpandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{namedef{#1}{#2}}%
{expandafterexchangeexpandafter{expandafter{romannumeralname0 {#1},#2}}%
{nameexpandafterdefexpandafter{#1}expandafter}%
}%
}%

% Yet another thingie.
% This time the helper-macro Expandtimes is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefyetotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsname
expandafter{romannumeralExpandtimes{2}csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% A thingie where you can specify the level of expansion before appending.
longdefAppendLevelExpandedTolist#1#2#3{%
expandafterdef
csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter{%
romannumeral
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{}{%
Expandtimes{2}csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter,%
romannumeral
}%
Expandtimes{#2}#3%
}%
}%

tt

appendtolist{mylist}{element1}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

appendtolist{mylist}{element2}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

otherappendtolist{mylist}{element3}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

AndOneMoreAppendtolist{mylist}{element4}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

yetotherappendtolist{mylist}{element5}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

hrule

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

hrule

Now testing stringAppendLevelExpandedTolist:

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{0}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{1}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{2}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{3}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{4}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{5}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{6}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{7}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

bye





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Formula for the amount of expandafter that need to be inserted.



If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires to have inserted (2K-1) expandafter-tokens in front of each of these L tokens that are to be "juped" over.



Thus:
If you wish to have TeX "jump" over L tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token, this requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter into the .tex-input.



The basic procedure is successively inserting expandafter-chains.

Each expandafter-chain yields another level of expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but zero will deliver the first-level-expansion.

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but one will deliver the second-level-expansion.

...

The expandafter-chain inserted the last but (K-1) will deliver the K-level-expansion.



The point hereby is:



Having added another expandafter-chain means having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over by the expandafter-chain that is to be added.

Therefore you need to trace the number of tokens that should be "jumped" over by adding the new expandafter-chain.



Example:



Having TeX "jump" over four tokens in order to have TeX beforehand produce the 2-level-expansion outgoing from the 5th token requires the insertion of L·(2K-1) expandafter while L=4 and K=2, thus requires the insertion of 4·(22-1) expandafter= 12 expandafter into the .tex-input:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Fifth |Fifth |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of First
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Second % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Second
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter third % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Third
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter Fourth % _________ 1x(2^K-1)=1x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted in front of Fourth
Fifth %A total of Lx(2^K-1)=4x(2^2-1) expandafter inserted into the .tex-input


Let's look at the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (1+1)th token (= the 2nd token).



It is required to insert 1·(2K-1) expandafter=2K-1 expandafter into the .tex-input.



(Assume First is the 1st token before insertion of expandafter and Secondis the 2nd token before insertion of expandafter.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from Second:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

0 tokens in front of Second should be "jumped" over.

There are/is 20 tokens = 1 token in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 20-1 expandafter = 0 expandafter:



FirstSecond




Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are 20 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(20) tokens=21 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 21-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|
%|after-chain|
%|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |
%|vers |
%|1-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|
%|-going from|
%|Second |
%| | |
expandafterFirst
Second




Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are 21 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(21) tokens=22 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 22-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |
%| | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are 22 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(22) tokens=23 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 23-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are 23 tokens in front of Second that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(23) tokens=24 tokens in front of Second. 1 of them is not an expandafter-token.

You need to insert 24-1 expandafter:



%|the expand|the expand|the expand|the expand|
%|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|after-chain|
%|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|in this co-|
%|lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |lumn deli- |
%|vers |vers |vers |vers |
%|1-level-ex-|2-level-ex-|3-level-ex-|4-level-ex-|
%|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|pansion out|
%|-going from|-going from|-going from|-going from|
%|Second |Second |Second |Second |
%| | | | | | | | |
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter expandafter
expandafterexpandafter
expandafter First
Second




Case ...





Get the picture?



By the way:



There was introduced some indentation providing a visible impression where things are split up in columns.

One column is one expandafter-chain delivering one level of expansion.

If you count the amount of expandafter per column/per expandafter-chain from the rightmost column to the leftmost column, this yields:

1+2+4+8+... = ∑i=1..K{2(i-1)}=2K-1.



In case of obtaining 4-level-expansion outgoing from Second you have 4 columns of expandafter holding 1+2+4+8 expandafter= ∑i=1..4{2(i-1)} expandafter= 24-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 5-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16 expandafter = ∑i=1..5{2(i-1)} expandafter = 25-1 expandafter.



Adding another expandafter-chain for obtaining 6-level-expansion outgoing from Second means adding an expandafter in front of the token First and adding an expandafter in front of each of the 1+2+4+8+16 expandafter that are already there.

This yields 1+2·(1+2+4+8+16) expandafter=1+2+4+8+16+32 expandafter = ∑i=1..6{2(i-1)} expandafter = 26-1 expandafter.



Now let's think about the scenario of successively adding expandafter-chains in order to have TeX beforehand produce the K-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)th token.



(After inserting expandafter, the (L+1)th token won't be the (L+1)th token any more. Therefore the token which is the (L+1)th token before insertion of expandafter will be referred to as "(L+1)-token"—in some places "(L+1)" is an ordinal number, in other places it is a nominal number.)





Case K=0 — Have TeX produce 0-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:
(0-level-expansion outgoing from an expandable token = expansion outgoing from that token does not get triggered.)

The (L+1)-token is the (L+1)th-token in the token-stream.

There are 0 tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

There are L tokens = L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(20)-L expandafter=L·(20-1) expandafter=0 expandafter.





Case K=1 — Have TeX produce 1-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=0. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=0 we know that there are L·(20) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(20)) tokens = L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(21)-L expandafter=L·(21-1) expandafter.





Case K=2 — Have TeX produce 2-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=1. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=1 we know that there are L·(21) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(21)) tokens = L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(22)-L expandafter=L·(22-1) expandafter.





Case K=3 — Have TeX produce 3-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=2. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=2 we know that there are L·(22) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(22)) tokens = L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(23)-L expandafter=L·(23-1) expandafter.





Case K=4 — Have TeX produce 4-level-expansion outgoing from the (L+1)-token before processing L tokens in front of the expansion-result:

In order to obtain one more level of expansion, another expandafter-chain needs to be added to the code that was produced for achieving case K=3. This implies the insertion of an expandafter-token in front of each token that should be "jumped" over.

From case K=3 we know that there are L·(23) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token that should be "jumped" over.

Having inserted an expandafter-token in front of each of these tokens yields 2·(L·(23)) tokens = L·(24) tokens in front of the (L+1)-token. L of them are not expandafter-tokens.

You need to insert L·(24)-L expandafter=L·(24-1) expandafter.





Case ...





There are tricks for reducing the amount of expandafter.



Some tricks have to do with the fact that expansion is triggered by tokens like if and ifcat and romannumeral and csname.



Other tricks have to do with having TeX flip macro arguments around.



E.g., using TeX' #{-notation, you can define a macro name which does take tokens before the first opening brace for an argument and causes another (internal) macro to take tokens nested into the first opening brace and the corresponding closing brace for another/a second argument.



This way you don't need to write expandafter-chains for starting csname-expansion.



I elaborated on the name-macro in the thread "Define a control sequence after that a space matters" which was started at TeX - LaTeX StackExchange in November 10, 2016.



Basically the macro name is one of those things that are about having TeX flip macro arguments around.



Let's have a look at taking advantage of romannumeral-expansion.



Actually romannumeral is there for—well—delivering roman numerals. But there are subtleties in the way in which romannumeral works which make romannumeral very interesting for other purposes:



romannumeral keeps expanding until it finds a number while not delivering any token in case the number found is not positive.



Therefore romannumeral can be (ab?)used for triggering a lot of expansion-work as long as in the end the first tokens from the expansion-result form a non-positive number.



You can easily create a macro Expandtimes{<number K>} which takes advantage of romannumeral-expansion in the way that the sequence
romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}

needs only one "hit" by expandafter for producing K "hits" by expandafter.



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>} reduces the amount of expandafter-chains that is needed to only one expandafter-chain.



Syntax:



romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>K times the leading token of <token sequence> will be "hit" by expandafter .

In expansion contexts the leading romannumeral being "hit" by one expandafter is sufficient for obtaining these K "hits" by expandafter on the leading token of <token sequence>.



E.g., with



deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }


expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}topstringtop



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}topstringfirst0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}topstringsecond1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}topstringthird2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}topstringfourth3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}topstringfifth4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}topstringsixth5 4 3 2 1 0



expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}topstring6 5 4 3 2 1 0



There are several ways of implementing Expandtimes.

(A boring way is:



deffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}
defsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}

% A check is needed for finding out if an argument is catcode-11-"d" while there are only
% the possibilities that the argument is either a single catcode-11-"d"
% or a single catcode-12-"m":
definnerdfork#1d#2#3dd{#2}%
defdfork#1{innerdfork#1{firstoftwo}d{secondoftwo}dd}%

% By means of romannumeral create as many catcode-12-characters m as expansion-steps are to take place.
% Then by means of recursion for each of these m double the amount of `expandafter`-tokens and
% add one `expandafter`-token within innerExp's first argument.
defExpandtimes#1{0expandafterinnerExpexpandafter{expandafter}romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000d}
definnerExp#1#2{dfork{#2}{#1 }{innerExp{#1#1expandafter}}}

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

bye


)



The example at the bottom of this answer exhibits another way of implementing it.

(The Expandtimes-variant in the example at the bottom of this answer does trigger a lot of csname-expansion which in turn does affect allocation of memory related to the semantic nest size. )



E.g., if you wish the macro top to be "hit" by expandafter six times
while top—before insertion of expandafter—being the 16th token in the token-stream, you will need to have inserted six expandafter-chains for bypassing 15 tokens. That's a lot of expandafter.

(According to the formula, that would be 15·(26-1) expandafter = 945 expandafter.)



Using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}<token sequence>-thingie, you can easily reduce to needing only one expandafter-chain bypassing 15 tokens.
(According to the formula, that would be 15·(21-1) expandafter = 15 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 930 expandafter.)



This would look like this:



expandaftertokA
expandaftertokB
expandaftertokC
expandaftertokD
expandaftertokE
expandaftertokF
expandaftertokG
expandaftertokH
expandaftertokI
expandaftertokJ
expandaftertokK
expandaftertokL
expandaftertokM
expandaftertokN
expandaftertokO
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top


But 15 still is a lot of expandafter.



By now only the trick of reducing to needing only one expandafter-chain by using the romannumeralExpandtimes{<number K>}-thingie was applied.

Now there is only a single expandafter-chain.

But that chain is long.



Keep expandafter-chains short by having TeX flip around macro arguments.



Another trick for reducing the amount of expandafter in your code
which can be applied in many (but not all!!) situations is keeping expandafter-chains short simply by having TeX flip macro arguments around/simply by having TeX exchange macro arguments
:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{%
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


Now there is a reduction from needing 945 expandafter to needing 2 expandafter.

That makes a difference of 943 expandafter.



But there is a subtle difference:



With the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-approach bypassing 15 tokens by means of 15 expandafter, only one expansion-step ("hitting" the first expandafterof the expandafter-chain) needs to be triggered for obtaining the 6-level-expansion of top.



With the approach where the romannumeralExpandtimes{6}-thingie was combined with exchange-ing arguments, two expansion-steps need to be triggered. One expansion-step is needed for "hitting" the first expandafter of the expandafter-chain consisting of only two expandafter. Another one is needed for getting exchange into doing its job of exchanging arguments.



If needed, you can once more apply good old romannumeral-expansion for reducing to needing to trigger only one expansion step:



longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

romannumeral0%<-romannumeral keeps seeking digits and therefore keeps expanding expandable tokens.
expandafterexchange
expandafter{%
romannumeralExpandtimes{6}top
}{ %<-the space between the opening brace and the percent is needed!!
% It gets tokenized as a space-token. After exchanging, it is behind
% the 0-digit-token from romannumeral0 and causes romannumeral to
% terminate. It gets removed by romannumeral which in turn does not
% deliver any tokens as 0 is not a positive number.
tokAtokBtokCtokDtokE
tokFtokGtokHtokItokJ
tokKtokLtokMtokNtokO
}%


With this technique the amount of expandafter is independent from the amount of tokens that are to be "jumped" over.

This technique is useful when the amount of tokens to be "jumped" over is not predictable due to these tokens being delivered via macro-arguments.



Now an example where the tricks are combined for attaching tokens to a list that is stored as a macro whose name is to be given:



longdeffirstoftwo#1#2{#1}%
longdefsecondoftwo#1#2{#2}%
longdefexchange#1#2{#2#1}%

longdefname#1#{innername{#1}}%
longdefinnername#1#2{%
expandafterexchangeexpandafter{csname#2endcsname}{#1}%
}%


defrmstop{0 }%
defExpandtimes#1{%
csname rmstopexpandafterExpandtimesloop
romannumeralnumbernumber#1 000Dendcsname
}%
defExpandtimesloop#1{%
if mnoexpand#1%
expandafterexpandaftercsname endcsnameexpandafterExpandtimesloopfi
}%


% The most frugal and most boring thingie without name and without Expandtimes
% and without romannumeral.
longdefappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterexpandafterexpandafterendcsname
expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% Another thingie without name and without Expandtimes.
% This time a romannumeral-trick is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsnameexpandafter{%
romannumeral0secondoftwo{}{expandafterexpandafterexpandafter} %
csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% One more thingie. This time name and exchange and romannumeral-expansion
% are used. On the first glimpse it is confusing. Therefore it is one of my
% favorites.
longdefAndOneMoreAppendtolist#1#2{%
nameifx{#1}relaxexpandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{namedef{#1}{#2}}%
{expandafterexchangeexpandafter{expandafter{romannumeralname0 {#1},#2}}%
{nameexpandafterdefexpandafter{#1}expandafter}%
}%
}%

% Yet another thingie.
% This time the helper-macro Expandtimes is used for eliminating the need of
% having csname launch two expandafter-chains.
longdefyetotherappendtolist#1#2{%
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{expandafterdefcsname#1endcsname{#2}}%
{%
expandafterdefcsname#1expandafterendcsname
expandafter{romannumeralExpandtimes{2}csname#1endcsname,#2}%
}%
}%

% A thingie where you can specify the level of expansion before appending.
longdefAppendLevelExpandedTolist#1#2#3{%
expandafterdef
csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter{%
romannumeral
expandafterifxcsname #1endcsnamerelax
expandafterfirstoftwoelseexpandaftersecondoftwofi
{}{%
Expandtimes{2}csname#1%
expandafterendcsname
expandafter,%
romannumeral
}%
Expandtimes{#2}#3%
}%
}%

tt

appendtolist{mylist}{element1}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

appendtolist{mylist}{element2}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

otherappendtolist{mylist}{element3}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

AndOneMoreAppendtolist{mylist}{element4}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

yetotherappendtolist{mylist}{element5}

namestring{mylist}namemeaning{mylist}

hrule

Now testing stringExpandtimes:

deftop{first 0 }
deffirst{second1 }
defsecond{third2 }
defthird{fourth3 }
deffourth{fifth4 }
deffifth{sixth5 }
defsixth{6 }

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{0}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{1}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{2}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{3}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{4}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{5}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{6}top

expandafterstringromannumeralExpandtimes{7}top

hrule

Now testing stringAppendLevelExpandedTolist:

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{0}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{1}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{2}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{3}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{4}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{5}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{6}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

AppendLevelExpandedTolist{myotherlist}{7}{top}

namestring{myotherlist}namemeaning{myotherlist}

bye






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    Such a great answer! I can't wait to go through it all. Thanks for the time you obviously spent composing this.

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    Nov 18 '16 at 6:59














  • 2





    Such a great answer! I can't wait to go through it all. Thanks for the time you obviously spent composing this.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Nov 18 '16 at 6:59








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2





Such a great answer! I can't wait to go through it all. Thanks for the time you obviously spent composing this.

– Jonathan Komar
Nov 18 '16 at 6:59





Such a great answer! I can't wait to go through it all. Thanks for the time you obviously spent composing this.

– Jonathan Komar
Nov 18 '16 at 6:59











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Appending to an existing (parameterless) macro only requires one chain:



expandafterdefexpandafterfooexpandafter{foo<material to add>}


If the parameterless macro is called by name, so requiring csname, the problem is a bit more complicated, requiring seven expandafter tokens scattered in various places.



You can do it more easily with various methods.



makeatletter
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
@ifundefined{#1}
{@namedef{#1}{#2}}% not yet defined
{append@to@list{#1}{#2}}%
}
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
toks0=expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname #1endcsname}%
toks2={,#2}%
expandafteredefcsname#1endcsname{thetoks0 thetoks2}
}
makeatother


With the triple expandafter we reach after the { and expand twice csname #1endcsname; the first time we obtain the macro name, the second time its expansion. I use the fact that thetoks<n> is just expanded once in an edef.



You can do better, though. First define append@to@list for the case



append@to@list{foo}{bar}


which is easy enough (and is what you already did)



makeatletter
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
ifx#1undefined
expandafter@firstoftwo
else
expandafter@secondoftwo
fi
{def#1{#2}}%
{expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}}%
}
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
expandafterappend@to@listcsname#1endcsname{#2}%
}


Do you see the trick? The token obtained by expanding csname#1endcsname once is passed to append@to@list.



This is very similar to the method used by etoolbox with its appto and csappto macros. However, whilst the code above doesn't rely on e-TeX primitives, the code in etoolbox does. With etoolbox it's very easy:



newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
ifcsundef{#1}
{csappto{#1}{#2}}
{csappto{#1}{,#2}}%
}


Last but not least: use expl3: no expandafter at all, so no need to count them.



documentclass{article}
usepackage{xparse}

ExplSyntaxOn
NewDocumentCommand{appendtolist}{mm}
{% #1 = list name, #2 = tokens to append
tl_if_exist:cTF { komar_list_#1_tl }
{
tl_put_right:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { ,#2 }
}
{
tl_new:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
tl_set:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { #2 }
}
}
NewExpandableDocumentCommand{uselist}{m}
{% #1 = list name
tl_use:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
}
ExplSyntaxOff

begin{document}

appendtolist{test}{a} uselist{test}

appendtolist{test}{b} uselist{test}

end{document}


For this case it would probably be better to use a clist variable, instead.



enter image description here






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  • I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20











  • @macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20













  • That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:22








  • 1





    @macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:24











  • It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27
















9














Appending to an existing (parameterless) macro only requires one chain:



expandafterdefexpandafterfooexpandafter{foo<material to add>}


If the parameterless macro is called by name, so requiring csname, the problem is a bit more complicated, requiring seven expandafter tokens scattered in various places.



You can do it more easily with various methods.



makeatletter
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
@ifundefined{#1}
{@namedef{#1}{#2}}% not yet defined
{append@to@list{#1}{#2}}%
}
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
toks0=expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname #1endcsname}%
toks2={,#2}%
expandafteredefcsname#1endcsname{thetoks0 thetoks2}
}
makeatother


With the triple expandafter we reach after the { and expand twice csname #1endcsname; the first time we obtain the macro name, the second time its expansion. I use the fact that thetoks<n> is just expanded once in an edef.



You can do better, though. First define append@to@list for the case



append@to@list{foo}{bar}


which is easy enough (and is what you already did)



makeatletter
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
ifx#1undefined
expandafter@firstoftwo
else
expandafter@secondoftwo
fi
{def#1{#2}}%
{expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}}%
}
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
expandafterappend@to@listcsname#1endcsname{#2}%
}


Do you see the trick? The token obtained by expanding csname#1endcsname once is passed to append@to@list.



This is very similar to the method used by etoolbox with its appto and csappto macros. However, whilst the code above doesn't rely on e-TeX primitives, the code in etoolbox does. With etoolbox it's very easy:



newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
ifcsundef{#1}
{csappto{#1}{#2}}
{csappto{#1}{,#2}}%
}


Last but not least: use expl3: no expandafter at all, so no need to count them.



documentclass{article}
usepackage{xparse}

ExplSyntaxOn
NewDocumentCommand{appendtolist}{mm}
{% #1 = list name, #2 = tokens to append
tl_if_exist:cTF { komar_list_#1_tl }
{
tl_put_right:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { ,#2 }
}
{
tl_new:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
tl_set:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { #2 }
}
}
NewExpandableDocumentCommand{uselist}{m}
{% #1 = list name
tl_use:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
}
ExplSyntaxOff

begin{document}

appendtolist{test}{a} uselist{test}

appendtolist{test}{b} uselist{test}

end{document}


For this case it would probably be better to use a clist variable, instead.



enter image description here






share|improve this answer


























  • I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20











  • @macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20













  • That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:22








  • 1





    @macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:24











  • It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27














9












9








9







Appending to an existing (parameterless) macro only requires one chain:



expandafterdefexpandafterfooexpandafter{foo<material to add>}


If the parameterless macro is called by name, so requiring csname, the problem is a bit more complicated, requiring seven expandafter tokens scattered in various places.



You can do it more easily with various methods.



makeatletter
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
@ifundefined{#1}
{@namedef{#1}{#2}}% not yet defined
{append@to@list{#1}{#2}}%
}
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
toks0=expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname #1endcsname}%
toks2={,#2}%
expandafteredefcsname#1endcsname{thetoks0 thetoks2}
}
makeatother


With the triple expandafter we reach after the { and expand twice csname #1endcsname; the first time we obtain the macro name, the second time its expansion. I use the fact that thetoks<n> is just expanded once in an edef.



You can do better, though. First define append@to@list for the case



append@to@list{foo}{bar}


which is easy enough (and is what you already did)



makeatletter
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
ifx#1undefined
expandafter@firstoftwo
else
expandafter@secondoftwo
fi
{def#1{#2}}%
{expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}}%
}
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
expandafterappend@to@listcsname#1endcsname{#2}%
}


Do you see the trick? The token obtained by expanding csname#1endcsname once is passed to append@to@list.



This is very similar to the method used by etoolbox with its appto and csappto macros. However, whilst the code above doesn't rely on e-TeX primitives, the code in etoolbox does. With etoolbox it's very easy:



newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
ifcsundef{#1}
{csappto{#1}{#2}}
{csappto{#1}{,#2}}%
}


Last but not least: use expl3: no expandafter at all, so no need to count them.



documentclass{article}
usepackage{xparse}

ExplSyntaxOn
NewDocumentCommand{appendtolist}{mm}
{% #1 = list name, #2 = tokens to append
tl_if_exist:cTF { komar_list_#1_tl }
{
tl_put_right:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { ,#2 }
}
{
tl_new:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
tl_set:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { #2 }
}
}
NewExpandableDocumentCommand{uselist}{m}
{% #1 = list name
tl_use:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
}
ExplSyntaxOff

begin{document}

appendtolist{test}{a} uselist{test}

appendtolist{test}{b} uselist{test}

end{document}


For this case it would probably be better to use a clist variable, instead.



enter image description here






share|improve this answer















Appending to an existing (parameterless) macro only requires one chain:



expandafterdefexpandafterfooexpandafter{foo<material to add>}


If the parameterless macro is called by name, so requiring csname, the problem is a bit more complicated, requiring seven expandafter tokens scattered in various places.



You can do it more easily with various methods.



makeatletter
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
@ifundefined{#1}
{@namedef{#1}{#2}}% not yet defined
{append@to@list{#1}{#2}}%
}
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
toks0=expandafterexpandafterexpandafter{csname #1endcsname}%
toks2={,#2}%
expandafteredefcsname#1endcsname{thetoks0 thetoks2}
}
makeatother


With the triple expandafter we reach after the { and expand twice csname #1endcsname; the first time we obtain the macro name, the second time its expansion. I use the fact that thetoks<n> is just expanded once in an edef.



You can do better, though. First define append@to@list for the case



append@to@list{foo}{bar}


which is easy enough (and is what you already did)



makeatletter
newcommand{append@to@list}[2]{%
ifx#1undefined
expandafter@firstoftwo
else
expandafter@secondoftwo
fi
{def#1{#2}}%
{expandafterdefexpandafter#1expandafter{#1,#2}}%
}
newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
expandafterappend@to@listcsname#1endcsname{#2}%
}


Do you see the trick? The token obtained by expanding csname#1endcsname once is passed to append@to@list.



This is very similar to the method used by etoolbox with its appto and csappto macros. However, whilst the code above doesn't rely on e-TeX primitives, the code in etoolbox does. With etoolbox it's very easy:



newcommand{appendtolist}[2]{%
ifcsundef{#1}
{csappto{#1}{#2}}
{csappto{#1}{,#2}}%
}


Last but not least: use expl3: no expandafter at all, so no need to count them.



documentclass{article}
usepackage{xparse}

ExplSyntaxOn
NewDocumentCommand{appendtolist}{mm}
{% #1 = list name, #2 = tokens to append
tl_if_exist:cTF { komar_list_#1_tl }
{
tl_put_right:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { ,#2 }
}
{
tl_new:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
tl_set:cn { komar_list_#1_tl } { #2 }
}
}
NewExpandableDocumentCommand{uselist}{m}
{% #1 = list name
tl_use:c { komar_list_#1_tl }
}
ExplSyntaxOff

begin{document}

appendtolist{test}{a} uselist{test}

appendtolist{test}{b} uselist{test}

end{document}


For this case it would probably be better to use a clist variable, instead.



enter image description here







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share|improve this answer



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edited Mar 24 at 15:10

























answered Jul 25 '16 at 17:26









egregegreg

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  • I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20











  • @macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20













  • That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:22








  • 1





    @macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:24











  • It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27



















  • I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20











  • @macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:20













  • That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:22








  • 1





    @macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

    – egreg
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:24











  • It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

    – Jonathan Komar
    Jul 26 '16 at 10:27

















I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:20





I feel like I am close to understanding this. I am not seeing how the macro token expanded from the macro name csname#1endcsname is passed to appendtomacro. To me, it looks something likeappendtomacro#1{#2}.

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:20













@macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

– egreg
Jul 26 '16 at 10:20







@macmadness86 expandafterappendtomacrocsname fooendcsname is the same as appendtomacrofoo, after expandafter has performed its duty.

– egreg
Jul 26 '16 at 10:20















That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:22







That is what I wrote above except I kept it generic with my foo being #1. So you can "pass" tokens that way? I was thinking passing would be like appendtomacro{foo}

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:22






1




1





@macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

– egreg
Jul 26 '16 at 10:24





@macmadness86 appendtomacrofoo and appendtomacro{foo} are equivalent, if appendtomacro has arguments.

– egreg
Jul 26 '16 at 10:24













It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:27





It also looks to me like appendtomacro is undefined. Where is its definition?

– Jonathan Komar
Jul 26 '16 at 10:27


















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