Why didn't the killers burn Snow's body?












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In A Song of Ice and Fire men of the Night's Watch kill




Jon Snow.




Why didn't they burn his body? Didn't they fear that he may become a wight?










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  • Because his friends took him to the hiding place

    – Neo Darwin
    Feb 10 at 17:47











  • Believing in wights would be halfway to admitting Jon was right. (Don't confuse them with actual evidence.)

    – o.m.
    Feb 10 at 18:08













  • @o.m. The Night's Watch explicitly know the wights exist. The first two happening inside Castle Black, and they have men who fought the wights at the Fist of the First Men. If anything, they're the only ones in Westeros who do believe in wights.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:35






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    You've tagged with GOT, but being that you're specifically asking about ASOIAF, are you also interested in answers from the show? If so, then the answers will be wildly different, given that the two are at different states of progression.

    – Möoz
    Feb 10 at 20:38






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    @TheLethalCarrot I actually forgot to add GoT tag. So I'm fine with this.

    – the-profile-that-was-promised
    Feb 11 at 11:05
















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In A Song of Ice and Fire men of the Night's Watch kill




Jon Snow.




Why didn't they burn his body? Didn't they fear that he may become a wight?










share|improve this question

























  • Because his friends took him to the hiding place

    – Neo Darwin
    Feb 10 at 17:47











  • Believing in wights would be halfway to admitting Jon was right. (Don't confuse them with actual evidence.)

    – o.m.
    Feb 10 at 18:08













  • @o.m. The Night's Watch explicitly know the wights exist. The first two happening inside Castle Black, and they have men who fought the wights at the Fist of the First Men. If anything, they're the only ones in Westeros who do believe in wights.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:35






  • 1





    You've tagged with GOT, but being that you're specifically asking about ASOIAF, are you also interested in answers from the show? If so, then the answers will be wildly different, given that the two are at different states of progression.

    – Möoz
    Feb 10 at 20:38






  • 1





    @TheLethalCarrot I actually forgot to add GoT tag. So I'm fine with this.

    – the-profile-that-was-promised
    Feb 11 at 11:05














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In A Song of Ice and Fire men of the Night's Watch kill




Jon Snow.




Why didn't they burn his body? Didn't they fear that he may become a wight?










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In A Song of Ice and Fire men of the Night's Watch kill




Jon Snow.




Why didn't they burn his body? Didn't they fear that he may become a wight?







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  • Because his friends took him to the hiding place

    – Neo Darwin
    Feb 10 at 17:47











  • Believing in wights would be halfway to admitting Jon was right. (Don't confuse them with actual evidence.)

    – o.m.
    Feb 10 at 18:08













  • @o.m. The Night's Watch explicitly know the wights exist. The first two happening inside Castle Black, and they have men who fought the wights at the Fist of the First Men. If anything, they're the only ones in Westeros who do believe in wights.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:35






  • 1





    You've tagged with GOT, but being that you're specifically asking about ASOIAF, are you also interested in answers from the show? If so, then the answers will be wildly different, given that the two are at different states of progression.

    – Möoz
    Feb 10 at 20:38






  • 1





    @TheLethalCarrot I actually forgot to add GoT tag. So I'm fine with this.

    – the-profile-that-was-promised
    Feb 11 at 11:05



















  • Because his friends took him to the hiding place

    – Neo Darwin
    Feb 10 at 17:47











  • Believing in wights would be halfway to admitting Jon was right. (Don't confuse them with actual evidence.)

    – o.m.
    Feb 10 at 18:08













  • @o.m. The Night's Watch explicitly know the wights exist. The first two happening inside Castle Black, and they have men who fought the wights at the Fist of the First Men. If anything, they're the only ones in Westeros who do believe in wights.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:35






  • 1





    You've tagged with GOT, but being that you're specifically asking about ASOIAF, are you also interested in answers from the show? If so, then the answers will be wildly different, given that the two are at different states of progression.

    – Möoz
    Feb 10 at 20:38






  • 1





    @TheLethalCarrot I actually forgot to add GoT tag. So I'm fine with this.

    – the-profile-that-was-promised
    Feb 11 at 11:05

















Because his friends took him to the hiding place

– Neo Darwin
Feb 10 at 17:47





Because his friends took him to the hiding place

– Neo Darwin
Feb 10 at 17:47













Believing in wights would be halfway to admitting Jon was right. (Don't confuse them with actual evidence.)

– o.m.
Feb 10 at 18:08







Believing in wights would be halfway to admitting Jon was right. (Don't confuse them with actual evidence.)

– o.m.
Feb 10 at 18:08















@o.m. The Night's Watch explicitly know the wights exist. The first two happening inside Castle Black, and they have men who fought the wights at the Fist of the First Men. If anything, they're the only ones in Westeros who do believe in wights.

– DariM
Feb 10 at 20:35





@o.m. The Night's Watch explicitly know the wights exist. The first two happening inside Castle Black, and they have men who fought the wights at the Fist of the First Men. If anything, they're the only ones in Westeros who do believe in wights.

– DariM
Feb 10 at 20:35




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You've tagged with GOT, but being that you're specifically asking about ASOIAF, are you also interested in answers from the show? If so, then the answers will be wildly different, given that the two are at different states of progression.

– Möoz
Feb 10 at 20:38





You've tagged with GOT, but being that you're specifically asking about ASOIAF, are you also interested in answers from the show? If so, then the answers will be wildly different, given that the two are at different states of progression.

– Möoz
Feb 10 at 20:38




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@TheLethalCarrot I actually forgot to add GoT tag. So I'm fine with this.

– the-profile-that-was-promised
Feb 11 at 11:05





@TheLethalCarrot I actually forgot to add GoT tag. So I'm fine with this.

– the-profile-that-was-promised
Feb 11 at 11:05










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The below speculates with the known information on what could possibly be the reasons though we don't know for sure. However, it is worth noting initially that the dead cannot be turned into wights south of the Wall. White Walkers have to use their magic to turn the dead and the Wall has magic that can stop the "dead passing" which probably means it stops their magic also.



Now I'm not sure if the Brothers know this or not but it is worth noting that it isn't strictly necessary to burn their bodies. Although Jon does state that those in the tunnel who died against the giant were to be burned so potentially they think either all need to be burned of being in the tunnel is a bit of a grey area so were just being safe.





A Song of Ice and Fire



We don’t know because we see nothing of Jon after the stabbing and murder.




Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold...



A Dance with Dragons, Jon XIII




That is the last paragraph of the last chapter we have of a perspective at the Wall so we don't know anything that happens afterwards just yet.



Game of Thrones



The last we see of Jon in Season 5 is him dying in a puddle of his own blood.




The brothers retreat, leaving Jon to die alone on the ground, bleeding out. The light goes out of his open eyes as we fade on Season 5.



Game of Thrones, Season 5 Episode 10, "Mother’s Mercy" - Official Script




Season 6 then opens with Davos spotting Jon’s body in the snow.




EXT. CASTLE BLACK - NIGHT



Pan down from the inside of The Wall towards Castle Black. GHOST is howling. Slow zoom to JON SNOW's body, lying in the snow. A sign with the word "TRAITOR" is posted on a beam behind him. Closeup on JON SNOW. He is staring upwards, lifelessly. GHOST howls louder and pushes against the door to his pen.



CUT TO: CASTLE BLACK - DAVOS' CHAMBER



DAVOS hears GHOST's howling and exits, then peers across the courtyard and sees JON SNOW's body. He immediately runs down the steps. He slows as he approaches JON SNOW's body. Other brothers of the Night's Watch approach. DAVOS kneels beside JON SNOW's body.



NIGHT'S WATCHMAN: It's the Lord Commander!



DOLOROUS EDD and other Night's Watchmen rush up behind DAVOS.



DAVOS: Help me get him inside.



The other Night's Watch brothers pick up JON SNOW's body and carry it away. DAVOS remains, staring at the left over pool of blood.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Whilst we don’t know for sure why Thorne and the others left Jon's body there we can speculate on the following.




  • To send a message to the others that anyone else that goes against what they want will be killed too.


  • To hide that it was them, whilst it obviously was them, not being caught at the scene could help their case if they needed to defend themselves later on.



Although of course considering he openly admits it later on so he can bend the other Brothers to his way of thinking it is almost certainly done to send a message. He needs the other brothers to understand what happened and why it happened so they can come into his line of thinking.




ALLISER THORNE: We’ve committed treason, all of us. Jon Snow was my Lord Commander. I had no love for him. That was no secret. But I never once disobeyed an order. Loyalty is the foundation on which the Night’s Watch is built, and the Watch means everything to me. I have given my life, we have all given our lives to the Night’s Watch. Jon Snow was going to destroy the Night’s Watch. He let the wildlings through our gates, as no Lord Commander has ever done before. He gave them the very land on which they reaved and raped and murdered. Lord Commander Snow did what he thought was right, I’ve no doubt about that. And what he thought was right would have been the end of us. He thrust a terrible choice upon us, and we made it.



The men begin to murmur among themselves.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Or they may have been going to actually get some firewood to burn him, we simply don't have enough information on the time frame from them killing him to Davos finding him. Of course considering the above this seems unlikely.






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    I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

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  • No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

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Your post is tagged both with the books and show tags so I'll cover both.



In the books, the last we see of Jon is the stabbing, so for all we know they do burn the body after. It's simply unknown what happens next still.



In the show, they give no reason for not burning it immediately, but it's not long after that the Onion Knight and Edd and the rest abscond with the corpse to get Mel to bring him back, so presumably the option wasn't on the table for long.






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    Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

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    Feb 10 at 20:37











  • @DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

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The below speculates with the known information on what could possibly be the reasons though we don't know for sure. However, it is worth noting initially that the dead cannot be turned into wights south of the Wall. White Walkers have to use their magic to turn the dead and the Wall has magic that can stop the "dead passing" which probably means it stops their magic also.



Now I'm not sure if the Brothers know this or not but it is worth noting that it isn't strictly necessary to burn their bodies. Although Jon does state that those in the tunnel who died against the giant were to be burned so potentially they think either all need to be burned of being in the tunnel is a bit of a grey area so were just being safe.





A Song of Ice and Fire



We don’t know because we see nothing of Jon after the stabbing and murder.




Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold...



A Dance with Dragons, Jon XIII




That is the last paragraph of the last chapter we have of a perspective at the Wall so we don't know anything that happens afterwards just yet.



Game of Thrones



The last we see of Jon in Season 5 is him dying in a puddle of his own blood.




The brothers retreat, leaving Jon to die alone on the ground, bleeding out. The light goes out of his open eyes as we fade on Season 5.



Game of Thrones, Season 5 Episode 10, "Mother’s Mercy" - Official Script




Season 6 then opens with Davos spotting Jon’s body in the snow.




EXT. CASTLE BLACK - NIGHT



Pan down from the inside of The Wall towards Castle Black. GHOST is howling. Slow zoom to JON SNOW's body, lying in the snow. A sign with the word "TRAITOR" is posted on a beam behind him. Closeup on JON SNOW. He is staring upwards, lifelessly. GHOST howls louder and pushes against the door to his pen.



CUT TO: CASTLE BLACK - DAVOS' CHAMBER



DAVOS hears GHOST's howling and exits, then peers across the courtyard and sees JON SNOW's body. He immediately runs down the steps. He slows as he approaches JON SNOW's body. Other brothers of the Night's Watch approach. DAVOS kneels beside JON SNOW's body.



NIGHT'S WATCHMAN: It's the Lord Commander!



DOLOROUS EDD and other Night's Watchmen rush up behind DAVOS.



DAVOS: Help me get him inside.



The other Night's Watch brothers pick up JON SNOW's body and carry it away. DAVOS remains, staring at the left over pool of blood.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Whilst we don’t know for sure why Thorne and the others left Jon's body there we can speculate on the following.




  • To send a message to the others that anyone else that goes against what they want will be killed too.


  • To hide that it was them, whilst it obviously was them, not being caught at the scene could help their case if they needed to defend themselves later on.



Although of course considering he openly admits it later on so he can bend the other Brothers to his way of thinking it is almost certainly done to send a message. He needs the other brothers to understand what happened and why it happened so they can come into his line of thinking.




ALLISER THORNE: We’ve committed treason, all of us. Jon Snow was my Lord Commander. I had no love for him. That was no secret. But I never once disobeyed an order. Loyalty is the foundation on which the Night’s Watch is built, and the Watch means everything to me. I have given my life, we have all given our lives to the Night’s Watch. Jon Snow was going to destroy the Night’s Watch. He let the wildlings through our gates, as no Lord Commander has ever done before. He gave them the very land on which they reaved and raped and murdered. Lord Commander Snow did what he thought was right, I’ve no doubt about that. And what he thought was right would have been the end of us. He thrust a terrible choice upon us, and we made it.



The men begin to murmur among themselves.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Or they may have been going to actually get some firewood to burn him, we simply don't have enough information on the time frame from them killing him to Davos finding him. Of course considering the above this seems unlikely.






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

    – Andres F.
    Feb 11 at 0:17











  • No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

    – m1gp0z
    Feb 11 at 22:29
















6














The below speculates with the known information on what could possibly be the reasons though we don't know for sure. However, it is worth noting initially that the dead cannot be turned into wights south of the Wall. White Walkers have to use their magic to turn the dead and the Wall has magic that can stop the "dead passing" which probably means it stops their magic also.



Now I'm not sure if the Brothers know this or not but it is worth noting that it isn't strictly necessary to burn their bodies. Although Jon does state that those in the tunnel who died against the giant were to be burned so potentially they think either all need to be burned of being in the tunnel is a bit of a grey area so were just being safe.





A Song of Ice and Fire



We don’t know because we see nothing of Jon after the stabbing and murder.




Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold...



A Dance with Dragons, Jon XIII




That is the last paragraph of the last chapter we have of a perspective at the Wall so we don't know anything that happens afterwards just yet.



Game of Thrones



The last we see of Jon in Season 5 is him dying in a puddle of his own blood.




The brothers retreat, leaving Jon to die alone on the ground, bleeding out. The light goes out of his open eyes as we fade on Season 5.



Game of Thrones, Season 5 Episode 10, "Mother’s Mercy" - Official Script




Season 6 then opens with Davos spotting Jon’s body in the snow.




EXT. CASTLE BLACK - NIGHT



Pan down from the inside of The Wall towards Castle Black. GHOST is howling. Slow zoom to JON SNOW's body, lying in the snow. A sign with the word "TRAITOR" is posted on a beam behind him. Closeup on JON SNOW. He is staring upwards, lifelessly. GHOST howls louder and pushes against the door to his pen.



CUT TO: CASTLE BLACK - DAVOS' CHAMBER



DAVOS hears GHOST's howling and exits, then peers across the courtyard and sees JON SNOW's body. He immediately runs down the steps. He slows as he approaches JON SNOW's body. Other brothers of the Night's Watch approach. DAVOS kneels beside JON SNOW's body.



NIGHT'S WATCHMAN: It's the Lord Commander!



DOLOROUS EDD and other Night's Watchmen rush up behind DAVOS.



DAVOS: Help me get him inside.



The other Night's Watch brothers pick up JON SNOW's body and carry it away. DAVOS remains, staring at the left over pool of blood.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Whilst we don’t know for sure why Thorne and the others left Jon's body there we can speculate on the following.




  • To send a message to the others that anyone else that goes against what they want will be killed too.


  • To hide that it was them, whilst it obviously was them, not being caught at the scene could help their case if they needed to defend themselves later on.



Although of course considering he openly admits it later on so he can bend the other Brothers to his way of thinking it is almost certainly done to send a message. He needs the other brothers to understand what happened and why it happened so they can come into his line of thinking.




ALLISER THORNE: We’ve committed treason, all of us. Jon Snow was my Lord Commander. I had no love for him. That was no secret. But I never once disobeyed an order. Loyalty is the foundation on which the Night’s Watch is built, and the Watch means everything to me. I have given my life, we have all given our lives to the Night’s Watch. Jon Snow was going to destroy the Night’s Watch. He let the wildlings through our gates, as no Lord Commander has ever done before. He gave them the very land on which they reaved and raped and murdered. Lord Commander Snow did what he thought was right, I’ve no doubt about that. And what he thought was right would have been the end of us. He thrust a terrible choice upon us, and we made it.



The men begin to murmur among themselves.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Or they may have been going to actually get some firewood to burn him, we simply don't have enough information on the time frame from them killing him to Davos finding him. Of course considering the above this seems unlikely.






share|improve this answer





















  • 1





    I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

    – Andres F.
    Feb 11 at 0:17











  • No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

    – m1gp0z
    Feb 11 at 22:29














6












6








6







The below speculates with the known information on what could possibly be the reasons though we don't know for sure. However, it is worth noting initially that the dead cannot be turned into wights south of the Wall. White Walkers have to use their magic to turn the dead and the Wall has magic that can stop the "dead passing" which probably means it stops their magic also.



Now I'm not sure if the Brothers know this or not but it is worth noting that it isn't strictly necessary to burn their bodies. Although Jon does state that those in the tunnel who died against the giant were to be burned so potentially they think either all need to be burned of being in the tunnel is a bit of a grey area so were just being safe.





A Song of Ice and Fire



We don’t know because we see nothing of Jon after the stabbing and murder.




Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold...



A Dance with Dragons, Jon XIII




That is the last paragraph of the last chapter we have of a perspective at the Wall so we don't know anything that happens afterwards just yet.



Game of Thrones



The last we see of Jon in Season 5 is him dying in a puddle of his own blood.




The brothers retreat, leaving Jon to die alone on the ground, bleeding out. The light goes out of his open eyes as we fade on Season 5.



Game of Thrones, Season 5 Episode 10, "Mother’s Mercy" - Official Script




Season 6 then opens with Davos spotting Jon’s body in the snow.




EXT. CASTLE BLACK - NIGHT



Pan down from the inside of The Wall towards Castle Black. GHOST is howling. Slow zoom to JON SNOW's body, lying in the snow. A sign with the word "TRAITOR" is posted on a beam behind him. Closeup on JON SNOW. He is staring upwards, lifelessly. GHOST howls louder and pushes against the door to his pen.



CUT TO: CASTLE BLACK - DAVOS' CHAMBER



DAVOS hears GHOST's howling and exits, then peers across the courtyard and sees JON SNOW's body. He immediately runs down the steps. He slows as he approaches JON SNOW's body. Other brothers of the Night's Watch approach. DAVOS kneels beside JON SNOW's body.



NIGHT'S WATCHMAN: It's the Lord Commander!



DOLOROUS EDD and other Night's Watchmen rush up behind DAVOS.



DAVOS: Help me get him inside.



The other Night's Watch brothers pick up JON SNOW's body and carry it away. DAVOS remains, staring at the left over pool of blood.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Whilst we don’t know for sure why Thorne and the others left Jon's body there we can speculate on the following.




  • To send a message to the others that anyone else that goes against what they want will be killed too.


  • To hide that it was them, whilst it obviously was them, not being caught at the scene could help their case if they needed to defend themselves later on.



Although of course considering he openly admits it later on so he can bend the other Brothers to his way of thinking it is almost certainly done to send a message. He needs the other brothers to understand what happened and why it happened so they can come into his line of thinking.




ALLISER THORNE: We’ve committed treason, all of us. Jon Snow was my Lord Commander. I had no love for him. That was no secret. But I never once disobeyed an order. Loyalty is the foundation on which the Night’s Watch is built, and the Watch means everything to me. I have given my life, we have all given our lives to the Night’s Watch. Jon Snow was going to destroy the Night’s Watch. He let the wildlings through our gates, as no Lord Commander has ever done before. He gave them the very land on which they reaved and raped and murdered. Lord Commander Snow did what he thought was right, I’ve no doubt about that. And what he thought was right would have been the end of us. He thrust a terrible choice upon us, and we made it.



The men begin to murmur among themselves.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Or they may have been going to actually get some firewood to burn him, we simply don't have enough information on the time frame from them killing him to Davos finding him. Of course considering the above this seems unlikely.






share|improve this answer















The below speculates with the known information on what could possibly be the reasons though we don't know for sure. However, it is worth noting initially that the dead cannot be turned into wights south of the Wall. White Walkers have to use their magic to turn the dead and the Wall has magic that can stop the "dead passing" which probably means it stops their magic also.



Now I'm not sure if the Brothers know this or not but it is worth noting that it isn't strictly necessary to burn their bodies. Although Jon does state that those in the tunnel who died against the giant were to be burned so potentially they think either all need to be burned of being in the tunnel is a bit of a grey area so were just being safe.





A Song of Ice and Fire



We don’t know because we see nothing of Jon after the stabbing and murder.




Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold...



A Dance with Dragons, Jon XIII




That is the last paragraph of the last chapter we have of a perspective at the Wall so we don't know anything that happens afterwards just yet.



Game of Thrones



The last we see of Jon in Season 5 is him dying in a puddle of his own blood.




The brothers retreat, leaving Jon to die alone on the ground, bleeding out. The light goes out of his open eyes as we fade on Season 5.



Game of Thrones, Season 5 Episode 10, "Mother’s Mercy" - Official Script




Season 6 then opens with Davos spotting Jon’s body in the snow.




EXT. CASTLE BLACK - NIGHT



Pan down from the inside of The Wall towards Castle Black. GHOST is howling. Slow zoom to JON SNOW's body, lying in the snow. A sign with the word "TRAITOR" is posted on a beam behind him. Closeup on JON SNOW. He is staring upwards, lifelessly. GHOST howls louder and pushes against the door to his pen.



CUT TO: CASTLE BLACK - DAVOS' CHAMBER



DAVOS hears GHOST's howling and exits, then peers across the courtyard and sees JON SNOW's body. He immediately runs down the steps. He slows as he approaches JON SNOW's body. Other brothers of the Night's Watch approach. DAVOS kneels beside JON SNOW's body.



NIGHT'S WATCHMAN: It's the Lord Commander!



DOLOROUS EDD and other Night's Watchmen rush up behind DAVOS.



DAVOS: Help me get him inside.



The other Night's Watch brothers pick up JON SNOW's body and carry it away. DAVOS remains, staring at the left over pool of blood.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Whilst we don’t know for sure why Thorne and the others left Jon's body there we can speculate on the following.




  • To send a message to the others that anyone else that goes against what they want will be killed too.


  • To hide that it was them, whilst it obviously was them, not being caught at the scene could help their case if they needed to defend themselves later on.



Although of course considering he openly admits it later on so he can bend the other Brothers to his way of thinking it is almost certainly done to send a message. He needs the other brothers to understand what happened and why it happened so they can come into his line of thinking.




ALLISER THORNE: We’ve committed treason, all of us. Jon Snow was my Lord Commander. I had no love for him. That was no secret. But I never once disobeyed an order. Loyalty is the foundation on which the Night’s Watch is built, and the Watch means everything to me. I have given my life, we have all given our lives to the Night’s Watch. Jon Snow was going to destroy the Night’s Watch. He let the wildlings through our gates, as no Lord Commander has ever done before. He gave them the very land on which they reaved and raped and murdered. Lord Commander Snow did what he thought was right, I’ve no doubt about that. And what he thought was right would have been the end of us. He thrust a terrible choice upon us, and we made it.



The men begin to murmur among themselves.



Game of Thrones, Season 6 Episode 1, "The Red Woman"




Or they may have been going to actually get some firewood to burn him, we simply don't have enough information on the time frame from them killing him to Davos finding him. Of course considering the above this seems unlikely.







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    I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

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  • No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

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    I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

    – Andres F.
    Feb 11 at 0:17











  • No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

    – m1gp0z
    Feb 11 at 22:29








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I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

– Andres F.
Feb 11 at 0:17





I remember one of the fan theories for A Dance with Dragons was that Jon saved himself by "warging" into Ghost. The part you quoted kinda hints at this.

– Andres F.
Feb 11 at 0:17













No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

– m1gp0z
Feb 11 at 22:29





No preview chapters indicate the outcome in one way or another (that I know of)

– m1gp0z
Feb 11 at 22:29













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Your post is tagged both with the books and show tags so I'll cover both.



In the books, the last we see of Jon is the stabbing, so for all we know they do burn the body after. It's simply unknown what happens next still.



In the show, they give no reason for not burning it immediately, but it's not long after that the Onion Knight and Edd and the rest abscond with the corpse to get Mel to bring him back, so presumably the option wasn't on the table for long.






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    Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

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  • @DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

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Your post is tagged both with the books and show tags so I'll cover both.



In the books, the last we see of Jon is the stabbing, so for all we know they do burn the body after. It's simply unknown what happens next still.



In the show, they give no reason for not burning it immediately, but it's not long after that the Onion Knight and Edd and the rest abscond with the corpse to get Mel to bring him back, so presumably the option wasn't on the table for long.






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    Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:37











  • @DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

    – Andres F.
    Feb 11 at 0:20














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Your post is tagged both with the books and show tags so I'll cover both.



In the books, the last we see of Jon is the stabbing, so for all we know they do burn the body after. It's simply unknown what happens next still.



In the show, they give no reason for not burning it immediately, but it's not long after that the Onion Knight and Edd and the rest abscond with the corpse to get Mel to bring him back, so presumably the option wasn't on the table for long.






share|improve this answer















Your post is tagged both with the books and show tags so I'll cover both.



In the books, the last we see of Jon is the stabbing, so for all we know they do burn the body after. It's simply unknown what happens next still.



In the show, they give no reason for not burning it immediately, but it's not long after that the Onion Knight and Edd and the rest abscond with the corpse to get Mel to bring him back, so presumably the option wasn't on the table for long.







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    Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:37











  • @DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

    – Andres F.
    Feb 11 at 0:20














  • 1





    Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

    – DariM
    Feb 10 at 20:37











  • @DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

    – Andres F.
    Feb 11 at 0:20








1




1





Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

– DariM
Feb 10 at 20:37





Well, the fact that Davod and Edd have a body to abscond with begs the question. If the mutineers were going to burn the body, they would have done it after the stabbings. Not stabbed him to death, gone for a cup of tea, and then come back to discover the body is gone.

– DariM
Feb 10 at 20:37













@DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

– Andres F.
Feb 11 at 0:20





@DariM Maybe they went to fetch wood and fire and Ser Davos got there first. Maybe in their anger at what they felt was Jon's betrayal of his vows, they forgot to burn him, but would have eventually thought of it. Who knows? :)

– Andres F.
Feb 11 at 0:20


















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