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Let $f: Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function such that $f'(x)$ exists and is continuous over $Bbb R$. Moreover, let there be a $T > 0$ such that $f(x + T) = f(x)$ for all $x in Bbb R$ and let $f(x) + f'(x)ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.



Show that $f(x) ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.




My attempt:
$f(x) ge 0 iff f(x) ge f'(x) - f'(x) iff f(x) + f'(x) ge f'(x)$.



Thus, it is enoguh to show that $0 ge f'(x)$.



$iff 0 ge lim_{hto0}frac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}$



I do not know how to proceed from here. I know that $f'$ also has a periodicity of T but I do not know how to use that here.



Am I on the right track? How can I use the periodicity of $f$ to solve the problem?










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    Let $f: Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function such that $f'(x)$ exists and is continuous over $Bbb R$. Moreover, let there be a $T > 0$ such that $f(x + T) = f(x)$ for all $x in Bbb R$ and let $f(x) + f'(x)ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.



    Show that $f(x) ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.




    My attempt:
    $f(x) ge 0 iff f(x) ge f'(x) - f'(x) iff f(x) + f'(x) ge f'(x)$.



    Thus, it is enoguh to show that $0 ge f'(x)$.



    $iff 0 ge lim_{hto0}frac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}$



    I do not know how to proceed from here. I know that $f'$ also has a periodicity of T but I do not know how to use that here.



    Am I on the right track? How can I use the periodicity of $f$ to solve the problem?










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      Let $f: Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function such that $f'(x)$ exists and is continuous over $Bbb R$. Moreover, let there be a $T > 0$ such that $f(x + T) = f(x)$ for all $x in Bbb R$ and let $f(x) + f'(x)ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.



      Show that $f(x) ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.




      My attempt:
      $f(x) ge 0 iff f(x) ge f'(x) - f'(x) iff f(x) + f'(x) ge f'(x)$.



      Thus, it is enoguh to show that $0 ge f'(x)$.



      $iff 0 ge lim_{hto0}frac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}$



      I do not know how to proceed from here. I know that $f'$ also has a periodicity of T but I do not know how to use that here.



      Am I on the right track? How can I use the periodicity of $f$ to solve the problem?










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      Let $f: Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function such that $f'(x)$ exists and is continuous over $Bbb R$. Moreover, let there be a $T > 0$ such that $f(x + T) = f(x)$ for all $x in Bbb R$ and let $f(x) + f'(x)ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.



      Show that $f(x) ge 0$ for all $x in Bbb R$.




      My attempt:
      $f(x) ge 0 iff f(x) ge f'(x) - f'(x) iff f(x) + f'(x) ge f'(x)$.



      Thus, it is enoguh to show that $0 ge f'(x)$.



      $iff 0 ge lim_{hto0}frac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}$



      I do not know how to proceed from here. I know that $f'$ also has a periodicity of T but I do not know how to use that here.



      Am I on the right track? How can I use the periodicity of $f$ to solve the problem?







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          suppose $f(x)$ is negative for all values of $x$. Periodicity tells us that there must be solutions to $f'(x)=0$ and for such $x$ we would then have $f(x)+f'(x)=f(x)<0$.



          Suppose that $f(x)$ is negative for some values of $x$ but not all. Let $a,b$ be zeroes of $f(x)$ such that $a<x<bimplies f(x)<0$. Specifically, let $x_0$ be some value for which $f(x_0)<0$ and let $a$ be the greatest upper bound of ${x,:,x<x_0,;&,;f(x)≥0}$ and $b$ defined similarly on the other side. Since $f(a)=0=f(b)$ there is some $c$ with $a<c<b$ and $f'(c)=0$. But for that value we must have $$f(c)+f'(c)=f(c)<0$$ contrary to assumption.






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            Nice application of Rolle's Theorem.
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          Let $g(x)=mathrm e^xf(x)$, then $g'(x)=mathrm e^x(f'(x)+f(x))geqslant0$ hence: $$(1) textit{The function $g$ is nondecreasing.}$$
          Since $f$ is continuous and periodic, $f$ is bounded, say $|f(x)|leqslant C$ for every $x$, hence $|g(x)|leqslant Cmathrm e^xto0$ when $xto-infty$, that is: $$(2) textit{The function $g$ has limit $0$ at $-infty$.}$$
          Properties (1) and (2) of $g$ imply together that $ggeqslant0$ everywhere, hence $fgeqslant0$ everywhere.





          Examples: Consider $$f(x)=c,mathrm e^{wcos(ux+v)},$$ for every $cgeqslant0$, $une0$, $|uw|leqslant1$ and $v$, then $f$ has period $2pi/|u|$ and, for every $x$, $$f'(x)+f(x)=(1-wusin(ux+v)),f(x)geqslant0.$$
          For example, if $c=w=u=1$, $v=0$, one gets the function $f$:



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          ...And the function $f'+f$:



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            We don't even need that $f'(x)$ is continuous! It is enough to show that $f(x) ge 0$ on $[0,T]$, because of periodicity. Since $[0,T]$ is compact, $f$ has a minimum on $[0,T]$. Let $x_0 in [0,T]$ be such that $f(x_0)$ is minimal. If $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, then $f(x_0)$ is also minimal in $[-T,2T]$, because of periodicity.



            A necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0) =0$. (And it is also valid in the case $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, because of the above remark.) Thus we get $f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$. This shows that $f(x) ge 0$ everywhere.






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              You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
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              That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
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              Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
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            Since $f$ is periodic, it has maximum and minimum. Choose the period $[a,b]$, such that $f(a)=f(b)=M$, where $M$ is the maximum.



            It can be seen that, there is a point $f(c)=m$, where $m$ is the minimum. c is golbal minimum, and thus local minimum, so:



            $$f'(c)=0$$



            from your condition.



            $$f+f'ge 0$$



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            $$f(c)ge 0$$. Since $f(c)$ is the minimum, we are done!






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              Consider such $f(x)$ to be non-constant. There must be a global minimum within each period, say at $x=x_0$. Since $f(x)$ is differentiable and continuous, $f'(x_0) = 0$. Hence
              $$f(x) ge f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$$






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                Say a period is $[a,a+T]$. Since $f$ is continuous, it attains a minimum on that interval, say at $c$. (If you have $c = a$, then change the period to $[a - T/2,a + T/2]$ so that $c$ becomes an interior point.)



                We must have $f'(c) = 0$ there, so $f(c) geq 0$. So the minimum value of $f$ is nonnegative.






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                  $ f ne 0$



                  $f(x)=0 Rightarrow f'(x) ge 0$, hence $f$ can cross the X-axis at most once. periodicity means that it cannot cross at all.



                  if $f$ is non-positive then $f' ge 0$ so $f$ is monotone increasing. again this contradicts periodicity






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                    Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
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                  suppose $f(x)$ is negative for all values of $x$. Periodicity tells us that there must be solutions to $f'(x)=0$ and for such $x$ we would then have $f(x)+f'(x)=f(x)<0$.



                  Suppose that $f(x)$ is negative for some values of $x$ but not all. Let $a,b$ be zeroes of $f(x)$ such that $a<x<bimplies f(x)<0$. Specifically, let $x_0$ be some value for which $f(x_0)<0$ and let $a$ be the greatest upper bound of ${x,:,x<x_0,;&,;f(x)≥0}$ and $b$ defined similarly on the other side. Since $f(a)=0=f(b)$ there is some $c$ with $a<c<b$ and $f'(c)=0$. But for that value we must have $$f(c)+f'(c)=f(c)<0$$ contrary to assumption.






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                    Nice application of Rolle's Theorem.
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                  suppose $f(x)$ is negative for all values of $x$. Periodicity tells us that there must be solutions to $f'(x)=0$ and for such $x$ we would then have $f(x)+f'(x)=f(x)<0$.



                  Suppose that $f(x)$ is negative for some values of $x$ but not all. Let $a,b$ be zeroes of $f(x)$ such that $a<x<bimplies f(x)<0$. Specifically, let $x_0$ be some value for which $f(x_0)<0$ and let $a$ be the greatest upper bound of ${x,:,x<x_0,;&,;f(x)≥0}$ and $b$ defined similarly on the other side. Since $f(a)=0=f(b)$ there is some $c$ with $a<c<b$ and $f'(c)=0$. But for that value we must have $$f(c)+f'(c)=f(c)<0$$ contrary to assumption.






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                  suppose $f(x)$ is negative for all values of $x$. Periodicity tells us that there must be solutions to $f'(x)=0$ and for such $x$ we would then have $f(x)+f'(x)=f(x)<0$.



                  Suppose that $f(x)$ is negative for some values of $x$ but not all. Let $a,b$ be zeroes of $f(x)$ such that $a<x<bimplies f(x)<0$. Specifically, let $x_0$ be some value for which $f(x_0)<0$ and let $a$ be the greatest upper bound of ${x,:,x<x_0,;&,;f(x)≥0}$ and $b$ defined similarly on the other side. Since $f(a)=0=f(b)$ there is some $c$ with $a<c<b$ and $f'(c)=0$. But for that value we must have $$f(c)+f'(c)=f(c)<0$$ contrary to assumption.






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                  suppose $f(x)$ is negative for all values of $x$. Periodicity tells us that there must be solutions to $f'(x)=0$ and for such $x$ we would then have $f(x)+f'(x)=f(x)<0$.



                  Suppose that $f(x)$ is negative for some values of $x$ but not all. Let $a,b$ be zeroes of $f(x)$ such that $a<x<bimplies f(x)<0$. Specifically, let $x_0$ be some value for which $f(x_0)<0$ and let $a$ be the greatest upper bound of ${x,:,x<x_0,;&,;f(x)≥0}$ and $b$ defined similarly on the other side. Since $f(a)=0=f(b)$ there is some $c$ with $a<c<b$ and $f'(c)=0$. But for that value we must have $$f(c)+f'(c)=f(c)<0$$ contrary to assumption.







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                    Nice application of Rolle's Theorem.
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                    Nice application of Rolle's Theorem.
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                  Nice application of Rolle's Theorem.
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                  Nice application of Rolle's Theorem.
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                  Let $g(x)=mathrm e^xf(x)$, then $g'(x)=mathrm e^x(f'(x)+f(x))geqslant0$ hence: $$(1) textit{The function $g$ is nondecreasing.}$$
                  Since $f$ is continuous and periodic, $f$ is bounded, say $|f(x)|leqslant C$ for every $x$, hence $|g(x)|leqslant Cmathrm e^xto0$ when $xto-infty$, that is: $$(2) textit{The function $g$ has limit $0$ at $-infty$.}$$
                  Properties (1) and (2) of $g$ imply together that $ggeqslant0$ everywhere, hence $fgeqslant0$ everywhere.





                  Examples: Consider $$f(x)=c,mathrm e^{wcos(ux+v)},$$ for every $cgeqslant0$, $une0$, $|uw|leqslant1$ and $v$, then $f$ has period $2pi/|u|$ and, for every $x$, $$f'(x)+f(x)=(1-wusin(ux+v)),f(x)geqslant0.$$
                  For example, if $c=w=u=1$, $v=0$, one gets the function $f$:



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                  ...And the function $f'+f$:



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                    Let $g(x)=mathrm e^xf(x)$, then $g'(x)=mathrm e^x(f'(x)+f(x))geqslant0$ hence: $$(1) textit{The function $g$ is nondecreasing.}$$
                    Since $f$ is continuous and periodic, $f$ is bounded, say $|f(x)|leqslant C$ for every $x$, hence $|g(x)|leqslant Cmathrm e^xto0$ when $xto-infty$, that is: $$(2) textit{The function $g$ has limit $0$ at $-infty$.}$$
                    Properties (1) and (2) of $g$ imply together that $ggeqslant0$ everywhere, hence $fgeqslant0$ everywhere.





                    Examples: Consider $$f(x)=c,mathrm e^{wcos(ux+v)},$$ for every $cgeqslant0$, $une0$, $|uw|leqslant1$ and $v$, then $f$ has period $2pi/|u|$ and, for every $x$, $$f'(x)+f(x)=(1-wusin(ux+v)),f(x)geqslant0.$$
                    For example, if $c=w=u=1$, $v=0$, one gets the function $f$:



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                    ...And the function $f'+f$:



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                      Let $g(x)=mathrm e^xf(x)$, then $g'(x)=mathrm e^x(f'(x)+f(x))geqslant0$ hence: $$(1) textit{The function $g$ is nondecreasing.}$$
                      Since $f$ is continuous and periodic, $f$ is bounded, say $|f(x)|leqslant C$ for every $x$, hence $|g(x)|leqslant Cmathrm e^xto0$ when $xto-infty$, that is: $$(2) textit{The function $g$ has limit $0$ at $-infty$.}$$
                      Properties (1) and (2) of $g$ imply together that $ggeqslant0$ everywhere, hence $fgeqslant0$ everywhere.





                      Examples: Consider $$f(x)=c,mathrm e^{wcos(ux+v)},$$ for every $cgeqslant0$, $une0$, $|uw|leqslant1$ and $v$, then $f$ has period $2pi/|u|$ and, for every $x$, $$f'(x)+f(x)=(1-wusin(ux+v)),f(x)geqslant0.$$
                      For example, if $c=w=u=1$, $v=0$, one gets the function $f$:



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                      ...And the function $f'+f$:



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                      Let $g(x)=mathrm e^xf(x)$, then $g'(x)=mathrm e^x(f'(x)+f(x))geqslant0$ hence: $$(1) textit{The function $g$ is nondecreasing.}$$
                      Since $f$ is continuous and periodic, $f$ is bounded, say $|f(x)|leqslant C$ for every $x$, hence $|g(x)|leqslant Cmathrm e^xto0$ when $xto-infty$, that is: $$(2) textit{The function $g$ has limit $0$ at $-infty$.}$$
                      Properties (1) and (2) of $g$ imply together that $ggeqslant0$ everywhere, hence $fgeqslant0$ everywhere.





                      Examples: Consider $$f(x)=c,mathrm e^{wcos(ux+v)},$$ for every $cgeqslant0$, $une0$, $|uw|leqslant1$ and $v$, then $f$ has period $2pi/|u|$ and, for every $x$, $$f'(x)+f(x)=(1-wusin(ux+v)),f(x)geqslant0.$$
                      For example, if $c=w=u=1$, $v=0$, one gets the function $f$:



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                      ...And the function $f'+f$:



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                          We don't even need that $f'(x)$ is continuous! It is enough to show that $f(x) ge 0$ on $[0,T]$, because of periodicity. Since $[0,T]$ is compact, $f$ has a minimum on $[0,T]$. Let $x_0 in [0,T]$ be such that $f(x_0)$ is minimal. If $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, then $f(x_0)$ is also minimal in $[-T,2T]$, because of periodicity.



                          A necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0) =0$. (And it is also valid in the case $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, because of the above remark.) Thus we get $f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$. This shows that $f(x) ge 0$ everywhere.






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                            You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
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                            That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
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                            Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
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                          We don't even need that $f'(x)$ is continuous! It is enough to show that $f(x) ge 0$ on $[0,T]$, because of periodicity. Since $[0,T]$ is compact, $f$ has a minimum on $[0,T]$. Let $x_0 in [0,T]$ be such that $f(x_0)$ is minimal. If $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, then $f(x_0)$ is also minimal in $[-T,2T]$, because of periodicity.



                          A necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0) =0$. (And it is also valid in the case $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, because of the above remark.) Thus we get $f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$. This shows that $f(x) ge 0$ everywhere.






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                            You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
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                            That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
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                            Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
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                            Dec 1 '18 at 10:21
















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                          We don't even need that $f'(x)$ is continuous! It is enough to show that $f(x) ge 0$ on $[0,T]$, because of periodicity. Since $[0,T]$ is compact, $f$ has a minimum on $[0,T]$. Let $x_0 in [0,T]$ be such that $f(x_0)$ is minimal. If $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, then $f(x_0)$ is also minimal in $[-T,2T]$, because of periodicity.



                          A necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0) =0$. (And it is also valid in the case $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, because of the above remark.) Thus we get $f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$. This shows that $f(x) ge 0$ everywhere.






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                          We don't even need that $f'(x)$ is continuous! It is enough to show that $f(x) ge 0$ on $[0,T]$, because of periodicity. Since $[0,T]$ is compact, $f$ has a minimum on $[0,T]$. Let $x_0 in [0,T]$ be such that $f(x_0)$ is minimal. If $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, then $f(x_0)$ is also minimal in $[-T,2T]$, because of periodicity.



                          A necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0) =0$. (And it is also valid in the case $x_0 =0$ or $x_0 =T$, because of the above remark.) Thus we get $f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$. This shows that $f(x) ge 0$ everywhere.







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                            You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
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                            – francescop21
                            Nov 30 '18 at 13:41






                          • 1




                            $begingroup$
                            That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
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                            – p4sch
                            Nov 30 '18 at 13:44












                          • $begingroup$
                            Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
                            $endgroup$
                            – francescop21
                            Dec 1 '18 at 10:21




















                          • $begingroup$
                            You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
                            $endgroup$
                            – francescop21
                            Nov 30 '18 at 13:41






                          • 1




                            $begingroup$
                            That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
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                            – p4sch
                            Nov 30 '18 at 13:44












                          • $begingroup$
                            Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
                            $endgroup$
                            – francescop21
                            Dec 1 '18 at 10:21


















                          $begingroup$
                          You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
                          $endgroup$
                          – francescop21
                          Nov 30 '18 at 13:41




                          $begingroup$
                          You do need $f'(x)$ continuous when you say "a necessary condition for a minimum is that $f'(x_0)=0$".
                          $endgroup$
                          – francescop21
                          Nov 30 '18 at 13:41




                          1




                          1




                          $begingroup$
                          That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
                          $endgroup$
                          – p4sch
                          Nov 30 '18 at 13:44






                          $begingroup$
                          That is not true! For example, if $x_0$ is a minimum, then we have $f(x_0) le f(x)$ for $|x-x_0| le delta$. Thus $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0+h)-f(x_0))/h le 0$. On the other hand $f'(x_0) =lim_{h downarrow 0} (f(x_0-h)-f(x_0))(-h) ge 0$. Thus $f'(x_0)=0$. In this (almost trivial) proof I haven't used coninuity of $f'$ and we don't need it!
                          $endgroup$
                          – p4sch
                          Nov 30 '18 at 13:44














                          $begingroup$
                          Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
                          $endgroup$
                          – francescop21
                          Dec 1 '18 at 10:21






                          $begingroup$
                          Yeah, I was thinking about $f(x)=|x|$, but in that case $f'(0)$ doesn't even exist.
                          $endgroup$
                          – francescop21
                          Dec 1 '18 at 10:21













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                          Since $f$ is periodic, it has maximum and minimum. Choose the period $[a,b]$, such that $f(a)=f(b)=M$, where $M$ is the maximum.



                          It can be seen that, there is a point $f(c)=m$, where $m$ is the minimum. c is golbal minimum, and thus local minimum, so:



                          $$f'(c)=0$$



                          from your condition.



                          $$f+f'ge 0$$



                          we see



                          $$f(c)ge 0$$. Since $f(c)$ is the minimum, we are done!






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                            Since $f$ is periodic, it has maximum and minimum. Choose the period $[a,b]$, such that $f(a)=f(b)=M$, where $M$ is the maximum.



                            It can be seen that, there is a point $f(c)=m$, where $m$ is the minimum. c is golbal minimum, and thus local minimum, so:



                            $$f'(c)=0$$



                            from your condition.



                            $$f+f'ge 0$$



                            we see



                            $$f(c)ge 0$$. Since $f(c)$ is the minimum, we are done!






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                              $begingroup$

                              Since $f$ is periodic, it has maximum and minimum. Choose the period $[a,b]$, such that $f(a)=f(b)=M$, where $M$ is the maximum.



                              It can be seen that, there is a point $f(c)=m$, where $m$ is the minimum. c is golbal minimum, and thus local minimum, so:



                              $$f'(c)=0$$



                              from your condition.



                              $$f+f'ge 0$$



                              we see



                              $$f(c)ge 0$$. Since $f(c)$ is the minimum, we are done!






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                              Since $f$ is periodic, it has maximum and minimum. Choose the period $[a,b]$, such that $f(a)=f(b)=M$, where $M$ is the maximum.



                              It can be seen that, there is a point $f(c)=m$, where $m$ is the minimum. c is golbal minimum, and thus local minimum, so:



                              $$f'(c)=0$$



                              from your condition.



                              $$f+f'ge 0$$



                              we see



                              $$f(c)ge 0$$. Since $f(c)$ is the minimum, we are done!







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                                  Consider such $f(x)$ to be non-constant. There must be a global minimum within each period, say at $x=x_0$. Since $f(x)$ is differentiable and continuous, $f'(x_0) = 0$. Hence
                                  $$f(x) ge f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$$






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                                    Consider such $f(x)$ to be non-constant. There must be a global minimum within each period, say at $x=x_0$. Since $f(x)$ is differentiable and continuous, $f'(x_0) = 0$. Hence
                                    $$f(x) ge f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$$






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                                      Consider such $f(x)$ to be non-constant. There must be a global minimum within each period, say at $x=x_0$. Since $f(x)$ is differentiable and continuous, $f'(x_0) = 0$. Hence
                                      $$f(x) ge f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$$






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                                      Consider such $f(x)$ to be non-constant. There must be a global minimum within each period, say at $x=x_0$. Since $f(x)$ is differentiable and continuous, $f'(x_0) = 0$. Hence
                                      $$f(x) ge f(x_0) = f(x_0)+f'(x_0) ge 0$$







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                                          Say a period is $[a,a+T]$. Since $f$ is continuous, it attains a minimum on that interval, say at $c$. (If you have $c = a$, then change the period to $[a - T/2,a + T/2]$ so that $c$ becomes an interior point.)



                                          We must have $f'(c) = 0$ there, so $f(c) geq 0$. So the minimum value of $f$ is nonnegative.






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                                            Say a period is $[a,a+T]$. Since $f$ is continuous, it attains a minimum on that interval, say at $c$. (If you have $c = a$, then change the period to $[a - T/2,a + T/2]$ so that $c$ becomes an interior point.)



                                            We must have $f'(c) = 0$ there, so $f(c) geq 0$. So the minimum value of $f$ is nonnegative.






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                                              Say a period is $[a,a+T]$. Since $f$ is continuous, it attains a minimum on that interval, say at $c$. (If you have $c = a$, then change the period to $[a - T/2,a + T/2]$ so that $c$ becomes an interior point.)



                                              We must have $f'(c) = 0$ there, so $f(c) geq 0$. So the minimum value of $f$ is nonnegative.






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                                              Say a period is $[a,a+T]$. Since $f$ is continuous, it attains a minimum on that interval, say at $c$. (If you have $c = a$, then change the period to $[a - T/2,a + T/2]$ so that $c$ becomes an interior point.)



                                              We must have $f'(c) = 0$ there, so $f(c) geq 0$. So the minimum value of $f$ is nonnegative.







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                                              answered Nov 23 '14 at 14:45









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                                                  $ f ne 0$



                                                  $f(x)=0 Rightarrow f'(x) ge 0$, hence $f$ can cross the X-axis at most once. periodicity means that it cannot cross at all.



                                                  if $f$ is non-positive then $f' ge 0$ so $f$ is monotone increasing. again this contradicts periodicity






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                                                    Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
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                                                  $ f ne 0$



                                                  $f(x)=0 Rightarrow f'(x) ge 0$, hence $f$ can cross the X-axis at most once. periodicity means that it cannot cross at all.



                                                  if $f$ is non-positive then $f' ge 0$ so $f$ is monotone increasing. again this contradicts periodicity






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                                                  • $begingroup$
                                                    Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
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                                                    – peterwhy
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                                                  $ f ne 0$



                                                  $f(x)=0 Rightarrow f'(x) ge 0$, hence $f$ can cross the X-axis at most once. periodicity means that it cannot cross at all.



                                                  if $f$ is non-positive then $f' ge 0$ so $f$ is monotone increasing. again this contradicts periodicity






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                                                  $ f ne 0$



                                                  $f(x)=0 Rightarrow f'(x) ge 0$, hence $f$ can cross the X-axis at most once. periodicity means that it cannot cross at all.



                                                  if $f$ is non-positive then $f' ge 0$ so $f$ is monotone increasing. again this contradicts periodicity







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                                                  David HoldenDavid Holden

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                                                  • $begingroup$
                                                    Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
                                                    $endgroup$
                                                    – peterwhy
                                                    Nov 23 '14 at 16:48


















                                                  • $begingroup$
                                                    Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
                                                    $endgroup$
                                                    – peterwhy
                                                    Nov 23 '14 at 16:48
















                                                  $begingroup$
                                                  Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
                                                  $endgroup$
                                                  – peterwhy
                                                  Nov 23 '14 at 16:48




                                                  $begingroup$
                                                  Why is this downvoted? This answer is essentially saying if $f(x)<0$ somewhere, then $f(x)$ is strictly increasing there, contradicting the fact that $f(x)$ is periodic.
                                                  $endgroup$
                                                  – peterwhy
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