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Q: Prove that for any finite field $mathbb{F_q}$, the ring $mathbb{F_q}[x]/(x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1)$ cannot be a field.



Upon first glance I am really not sure where to start. Intuitively, it seems that I should be finding a way to show that $x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1$ is reducible over every finite field.



I have that:
$x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1 = (x^2-x+1)(x^7+x^6-x^4+x^2+2x+1)$ but I don't see where to go from here.



Am I even on the right track? Is there some well-known theorem I've blanked on that would help me out? Thanks in advance!






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    You just factored it over $mathbb{Z}$. You are done. If it's reducible over $mathbb{Z}$ then it's reducible over $mathbb{F}_p$ for every prime $p$.
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    @EthanAlwaise: well, one must be a little careful: $3X^{2}+X$ is reducible as $X(3X+1)$ over $mathbb{Z}$, but is irreducible over $mathbb{F}_{3}$. But since both of the factors in the product above are monic, there are no issues of this kind.
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    Ah right, good point.
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Q: Prove that for any finite field $mathbb{F_q}$, the ring $mathbb{F_q}[x]/(x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1)$ cannot be a field.



Upon first glance I am really not sure where to start. Intuitively, it seems that I should be finding a way to show that $x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1$ is reducible over every finite field.



I have that:
$x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1 = (x^2-x+1)(x^7+x^6-x^4+x^2+2x+1)$ but I don't see where to go from here.



Am I even on the right track? Is there some well-known theorem I've blanked on that would help me out? Thanks in advance!






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    You just factored it over $mathbb{Z}$. You are done. If it's reducible over $mathbb{Z}$ then it's reducible over $mathbb{F}_p$ for every prime $p$.
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    – Ethan Alwaise
    Dec 9 '16 at 7:50






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    @EthanAlwaise: well, one must be a little careful: $3X^{2}+X$ is reducible as $X(3X+1)$ over $mathbb{Z}$, but is irreducible over $mathbb{F}_{3}$. But since both of the factors in the product above are monic, there are no issues of this kind.
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    – Alex Wertheim
    Dec 9 '16 at 7:57






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    Ah right, good point.
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    – Ethan Alwaise
    Dec 9 '16 at 19:23














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Q: Prove that for any finite field $mathbb{F_q}$, the ring $mathbb{F_q}[x]/(x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1)$ cannot be a field.



Upon first glance I am really not sure where to start. Intuitively, it seems that I should be finding a way to show that $x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1$ is reducible over every finite field.



I have that:
$x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1 = (x^2-x+1)(x^7+x^6-x^4+x^2+2x+1)$ but I don't see where to go from here.



Am I even on the right track? Is there some well-known theorem I've blanked on that would help me out? Thanks in advance!






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Q: Prove that for any finite field $mathbb{F_q}$, the ring $mathbb{F_q}[x]/(x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1)$ cannot be a field.



Upon first glance I am really not sure where to start. Intuitively, it seems that I should be finding a way to show that $x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1$ is reducible over every finite field.



I have that:
$x^9+x^5+x^3+x+1 = (x^2-x+1)(x^7+x^6-x^4+x^2+2x+1)$ but I don't see where to go from here.



Am I even on the right track? Is there some well-known theorem I've blanked on that would help me out? Thanks in advance!






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    You just factored it over $mathbb{Z}$. You are done. If it's reducible over $mathbb{Z}$ then it's reducible over $mathbb{F}_p$ for every prime $p$.
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    – Ethan Alwaise
    Dec 9 '16 at 7:50






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    @EthanAlwaise: well, one must be a little careful: $3X^{2}+X$ is reducible as $X(3X+1)$ over $mathbb{Z}$, but is irreducible over $mathbb{F}_{3}$. But since both of the factors in the product above are monic, there are no issues of this kind.
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    – Alex Wertheim
    Dec 9 '16 at 7:57






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    Ah right, good point.
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    – Ethan Alwaise
    Dec 9 '16 at 19:23














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    You just factored it over $mathbb{Z}$. You are done. If it's reducible over $mathbb{Z}$ then it's reducible over $mathbb{F}_p$ for every prime $p$.
    $endgroup$
    – Ethan Alwaise
    Dec 9 '16 at 7:50






  • 4




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    @EthanAlwaise: well, one must be a little careful: $3X^{2}+X$ is reducible as $X(3X+1)$ over $mathbb{Z}$, but is irreducible over $mathbb{F}_{3}$. But since both of the factors in the product above are monic, there are no issues of this kind.
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    – Alex Wertheim
    Dec 9 '16 at 7:57






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    Ah right, good point.
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    – Ethan Alwaise
    Dec 9 '16 at 19:23








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You just factored it over $mathbb{Z}$. You are done. If it's reducible over $mathbb{Z}$ then it's reducible over $mathbb{F}_p$ for every prime $p$.
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– Ethan Alwaise
Dec 9 '16 at 7:50




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You just factored it over $mathbb{Z}$. You are done. If it's reducible over $mathbb{Z}$ then it's reducible over $mathbb{F}_p$ for every prime $p$.
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– Ethan Alwaise
Dec 9 '16 at 7:50




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$begingroup$
@EthanAlwaise: well, one must be a little careful: $3X^{2}+X$ is reducible as $X(3X+1)$ over $mathbb{Z}$, but is irreducible over $mathbb{F}_{3}$. But since both of the factors in the product above are monic, there are no issues of this kind.
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– Alex Wertheim
Dec 9 '16 at 7:57




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@EthanAlwaise: well, one must be a little careful: $3X^{2}+X$ is reducible as $X(3X+1)$ over $mathbb{Z}$, but is irreducible over $mathbb{F}_{3}$. But since both of the factors in the product above are monic, there are no issues of this kind.
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– Alex Wertheim
Dec 9 '16 at 7:57




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Ah right, good point.
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– Ethan Alwaise
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Ah right, good point.
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If $f(x) = x^9 + x^5 + x^3 + x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$, then you have shown that $f = gh$, where $g(x) = x^2 - x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$ and $h(x) = x^7 + x^6 - x^4 + x^2 + 2x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$. Let $p$ be a prime and $bar{f}$, $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ denote the images of $f$, $g$ and $h$, respectively, under the canonical map $mathbb{Z} to mathbb{F}_p$. Then, $bar{f} = bar{g} bar{h}$ and $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ are nonconstant polynomials in $mathbb{F}_p[x]$. Hence, $bar{f}$ is irreducible over every finite field, as was needed to be shown.






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    If $f(x) = x^9 + x^5 + x^3 + x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$, then you have shown that $f = gh$, where $g(x) = x^2 - x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$ and $h(x) = x^7 + x^6 - x^4 + x^2 + 2x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$. Let $p$ be a prime and $bar{f}$, $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ denote the images of $f$, $g$ and $h$, respectively, under the canonical map $mathbb{Z} to mathbb{F}_p$. Then, $bar{f} = bar{g} bar{h}$ and $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ are nonconstant polynomials in $mathbb{F}_p[x]$. Hence, $bar{f}$ is irreducible over every finite field, as was needed to be shown.






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      If $f(x) = x^9 + x^5 + x^3 + x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$, then you have shown that $f = gh$, where $g(x) = x^2 - x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$ and $h(x) = x^7 + x^6 - x^4 + x^2 + 2x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$. Let $p$ be a prime and $bar{f}$, $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ denote the images of $f$, $g$ and $h$, respectively, under the canonical map $mathbb{Z} to mathbb{F}_p$. Then, $bar{f} = bar{g} bar{h}$ and $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ are nonconstant polynomials in $mathbb{F}_p[x]$. Hence, $bar{f}$ is irreducible over every finite field, as was needed to be shown.






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        If $f(x) = x^9 + x^5 + x^3 + x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$, then you have shown that $f = gh$, where $g(x) = x^2 - x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$ and $h(x) = x^7 + x^6 - x^4 + x^2 + 2x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$. Let $p$ be a prime and $bar{f}$, $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ denote the images of $f$, $g$ and $h$, respectively, under the canonical map $mathbb{Z} to mathbb{F}_p$. Then, $bar{f} = bar{g} bar{h}$ and $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ are nonconstant polynomials in $mathbb{F}_p[x]$. Hence, $bar{f}$ is irreducible over every finite field, as was needed to be shown.






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        From the comments above.




        If $f(x) = x^9 + x^5 + x^3 + x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$, then you have shown that $f = gh$, where $g(x) = x^2 - x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$ and $h(x) = x^7 + x^6 - x^4 + x^2 + 2x + 1 in mathbb{Z}[x]$. Let $p$ be a prime and $bar{f}$, $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ denote the images of $f$, $g$ and $h$, respectively, under the canonical map $mathbb{Z} to mathbb{F}_p$. Then, $bar{f} = bar{g} bar{h}$ and $bar{g}$ and $bar{h}$ are nonconstant polynomials in $mathbb{F}_p[x]$. Hence, $bar{f}$ is irreducible over every finite field, as was needed to be shown.







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