When is a download registered as such?
When viewing images on google images, one might accidentally click on "save image as", or "view image" (which somehow sometimes prompts a download as well). This then opens a window asking if you want to download said file. However, if you cancel before anything gets saved, is this still seen as a download from the "server" side?
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/save said activity.
browser download
asked Jan 13 at 8:52
Felix RFelix R
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When viewing images on google images, one might accidentally click on "save image as", or "view image" (which somehow sometimes prompts a download as well). This then opens a window asking if you want to download said file. However, if you cancel before anything gets saved, is this still seen as a download from the "server" side?
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/save said activity.
browser download
asked Jan 13 at 8:52
Felix RFelix R
11716
4
Registered as such by whom? Many log analysis software (ie awstats, goaccess) considers a download any file with a particular suffixes (.zip, .pdf...). The list of extensions is usually configurable. Other software may use different approaches.
– jjmontes
Jan 14 at 15:06
add a comment |
When viewing images on google images, one might accidentally click on "save image as", or "view image" (which somehow sometimes prompts a download as well). This then opens a window asking if you want to download said file. However, if you cancel before anything gets saved, is this still seen as a download from the "server" side?
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/save said activity.
browser download
asked Jan 13 at 8:52
Felix RFelix R
11716
When viewing images on google images, one might accidentally click on "save image as", or "view image" (which somehow sometimes prompts a download as well). This then opens a window asking if you want to download said file. However, if you cancel before anything gets saved, is this still seen as a download from the "server" side?
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/save said activity.
browser download
browser download
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asked Jan 13 at 8:52
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Felix RFelix R
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asked Jan 13 at 8:52
Felix RFelix R
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asked Jan 13 at 8:52
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Registered as such by whom? Many log analysis software (ie awstats, goaccess) considers a download any file with a particular suffixes (.zip, .pdf...). The list of extensions is usually configurable. Other software may use different approaches.
– jjmontes
Jan 14 at 15:06
add a comment |
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Registered as such by whom? Many log analysis software (ie awstats, goaccess) considers a download any file with a particular suffixes (.zip, .pdf...). The list of extensions is usually configurable. Other software may use different approaches.
– jjmontes
Jan 14 at 15:06
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Registered as such by whom? Many log analysis software (ie awstats, goaccess) considers a download any file with a particular suffixes (.zip, .pdf...). The list of extensions is usually configurable. Other software may use different approaches.
– jjmontes
Jan 14 at 15:06
Registered as such by whom? Many log analysis software (ie awstats, goaccess) considers a download any file with a particular suffixes (.zip, .pdf...). The list of extensions is usually configurable. Other software may use different approaches.
– jjmontes
Jan 14 at 15:06
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Seen from the server side, there is absolutely no technical difference between "transferring for viewing in a browser window" and "downloading for storage".
Maybe a server will provide a (smaller) preview and the (larger) real image for download, and can distinguish which one has been accessed. But it can register (and log) only the access to these files, the IP address the request came from, a generic "id string" of the browser software - not the intent of a client.
But file access does not always result from human interaction with a client computer. On the one hand, browsers store images and other website data on your system even if you don't even use "save image as...". On the other hand, many browsers even "follow links" (that is: download things!) in advance, to speed up navigation. The browser cache even might get into your local backup that way, even if you never willfully accessed these files!
Finally, using "save as" and cancelling (not selecting a destination filename) may or may not initiate a download, depending on the implementation of the browser you are using.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
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Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
6
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of theContent-DispositionHTTP header:inlineindicates a view in the browser,attachmenta download.
– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
13
@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null;)
– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
1
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
1
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
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Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/watch/save said activity.
While the HTTP server doesn't see the canceled download, there may be Javascript code on the page that monitors such events.
Javascript has event handlers that can be used to detect a right click on the image, and it is quite likely that one could monitor other mouse movements to guess at what choice you make from the popup menu. After that, the script can easily send the information to server immediately, or store it in local browser storage and send it later.
In the specific case of Google Image search, the Javascript on that page does have multiple handlers listening to the mouse events. However the code is obfuscated so it is not easy to tell what kind of monitoring it does.
answered Jan 13 at 11:32
jpajpa
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"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with aHEADHTTP request rather than aGET.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
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This is server dependent.
The server would be able to register when the download is started (think about it, it must know because it suggests a name).
The server could also keep track of how many bytes were transferred and if/when the connection closed, which can show if the diwnload completed.
There are also other possibilities like resumed dowloads and multithreaded downloads - but again, the server could know and record all this.
Note that in the particular case of right clicking and downloading an image it is possible that the download would not register as a download at all due to client side caching.
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
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The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
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@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds withContent-Disposition: attachment; filename="…"so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.
– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
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If ... you cancel before anything gets saved, does the "server" notice/record this as a download?
A remote server should not notice any download activity as no download has been started.
However, a remote server knows that you have already downloaded the image in order to display it in your browser ... and a copy will be in your browser cache ...
Any "entity" monitoring your local machine directly could record something regarding that activity.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
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"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but theContent-Dispositionheader will contain the actual file name.
– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
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@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
1
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
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@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by theContent-Dispositionheader (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
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Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
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Seen from the server side, there is absolutely no technical difference between "transferring for viewing in a browser window" and "downloading for storage".
Maybe a server will provide a (smaller) preview and the (larger) real image for download, and can distinguish which one has been accessed. But it can register (and log) only the access to these files, the IP address the request came from, a generic "id string" of the browser software - not the intent of a client.
But file access does not always result from human interaction with a client computer. On the one hand, browsers store images and other website data on your system even if you don't even use "save image as...". On the other hand, many browsers even "follow links" (that is: download things!) in advance, to speed up navigation. The browser cache even might get into your local backup that way, even if you never willfully accessed these files!
Finally, using "save as" and cancelling (not selecting a destination filename) may or may not initiate a download, depending on the implementation of the browser you are using.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
1,150413
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Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
6
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of theContent-DispositionHTTP header:inlineindicates a view in the browser,attachmenta download.
– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
13
@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null;)
– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
1
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
1
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
|
show 3 more comments
Seen from the server side, there is absolutely no technical difference between "transferring for viewing in a browser window" and "downloading for storage".
Maybe a server will provide a (smaller) preview and the (larger) real image for download, and can distinguish which one has been accessed. But it can register (and log) only the access to these files, the IP address the request came from, a generic "id string" of the browser software - not the intent of a client.
But file access does not always result from human interaction with a client computer. On the one hand, browsers store images and other website data on your system even if you don't even use "save image as...". On the other hand, many browsers even "follow links" (that is: download things!) in advance, to speed up navigation. The browser cache even might get into your local backup that way, even if you never willfully accessed these files!
Finally, using "save as" and cancelling (not selecting a destination filename) may or may not initiate a download, depending on the implementation of the browser you are using.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
1,150413
12
Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
6
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of theContent-DispositionHTTP header:inlineindicates a view in the browser,attachmenta download.
– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
13
@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null;)
– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
1
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
1
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
|
show 3 more comments
Seen from the server side, there is absolutely no technical difference between "transferring for viewing in a browser window" and "downloading for storage".
Maybe a server will provide a (smaller) preview and the (larger) real image for download, and can distinguish which one has been accessed. But it can register (and log) only the access to these files, the IP address the request came from, a generic "id string" of the browser software - not the intent of a client.
But file access does not always result from human interaction with a client computer. On the one hand, browsers store images and other website data on your system even if you don't even use "save image as...". On the other hand, many browsers even "follow links" (that is: download things!) in advance, to speed up navigation. The browser cache even might get into your local backup that way, even if you never willfully accessed these files!
Finally, using "save as" and cancelling (not selecting a destination filename) may or may not initiate a download, depending on the implementation of the browser you are using.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
1,150413
Seen from the server side, there is absolutely no technical difference between "transferring for viewing in a browser window" and "downloading for storage".
Maybe a server will provide a (smaller) preview and the (larger) real image for download, and can distinguish which one has been accessed. But it can register (and log) only the access to these files, the IP address the request came from, a generic "id string" of the browser software - not the intent of a client.
But file access does not always result from human interaction with a client computer. On the one hand, browsers store images and other website data on your system even if you don't even use "save image as...". On the other hand, many browsers even "follow links" (that is: download things!) in advance, to speed up navigation. The browser cache even might get into your local backup that way, even if you never willfully accessed these files!
Finally, using "save as" and cancelling (not selecting a destination filename) may or may not initiate a download, depending on the implementation of the browser you are using.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
1,150413
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
1,150413
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
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answered Jan 13 at 9:10
jvbjvb
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Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
6
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of theContent-DispositionHTTP header:inlineindicates a view in the browser,attachmenta download.
– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
13
@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null;)
– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
1
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
1
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
|
show 3 more comments
12
Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
6
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of theContent-DispositionHTTP header:inlineindicates a view in the browser,attachmenta download.
– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
13
@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null;)
– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
1
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
1
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
12
12
Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
Heck: "save as" may or may not initiate a download, regardless of cancelling - if the browser already has the image, why request it from the server again ("no cache" hints and such notwithstanding).
– minnmass
Jan 14 at 3:37
6
6
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of the
Content-Disposition HTTP header: inline indicates a view in the browser, attachment a download.– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
Actually, there can be a difference, in terms of the
Content-Disposition HTTP header: inline indicates a view in the browser, attachment a download.– Uwe Keim
Jan 14 at 6:48
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@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.
curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null ;)– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
@UweKeim it's actually a hint from the server. Normally browser would follow it but the server has no way to judge if the client is actually a browser nor if it's going to respect this header.
curl https://www.google.com/ -H 'User-Agent: I am really a web browser, trust me' >> /dev/null ;)– ElmoVanKielmo
Jan 14 at 7:31
1
1
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
... and to show that it's more than theoretical, consider PDF's. Historically those have been treated by browsers as downloads, but modern browsers can directly display them.
– MSalters
Jan 14 at 9:57
1
1
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
The browser will initiate a download unless that URL, etc. are already in the browser's cache. Otherwise, the browser has no way to tell what the file name might be, the type of document it is, or even if there is any file contents to save. The browser will issue some kind of request to the server, and the server will "count" that however it wants.
– Christopher Schultz
Jan 14 at 18:01
|
show 3 more comments
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/watch/save said activity.
While the HTTP server doesn't see the canceled download, there may be Javascript code on the page that monitors such events.
Javascript has event handlers that can be used to detect a right click on the image, and it is quite likely that one could monitor other mouse movements to guess at what choice you make from the popup menu. After that, the script can easily send the information to server immediately, or store it in local browser storage and send it later.
In the specific case of Google Image search, the Javascript on that page does have multiple handlers listening to the mouse events. However the code is obfuscated so it is not easy to tell what kind of monitoring it does.
answered Jan 13 at 11:32
jpajpa
1794
1
"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with aHEADHTTP request rather than aGET.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
add a comment |
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/watch/save said activity.
While the HTTP server doesn't see the canceled download, there may be Javascript code on the page that monitors such events.
Javascript has event handlers that can be used to detect a right click on the image, and it is quite likely that one could monitor other mouse movements to guess at what choice you make from the popup menu. After that, the script can easily send the information to server immediately, or store it in local browser storage and send it later.
In the specific case of Google Image search, the Javascript on that page does have multiple handlers listening to the mouse events. However the code is obfuscated so it is not easy to tell what kind of monitoring it does.
answered Jan 13 at 11:32
jpajpa
1794
1
"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with aHEADHTTP request rather than aGET.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
add a comment |
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/watch/save said activity.
While the HTTP server doesn't see the canceled download, there may be Javascript code on the page that monitors such events.
Javascript has event handlers that can be used to detect a right click on the image, and it is quite likely that one could monitor other mouse movements to guess at what choice you make from the popup menu. After that, the script can easily send the information to server immediately, or store it in local browser storage and send it later.
In the specific case of Google Image search, the Javascript on that page does have multiple handlers listening to the mouse events. However the code is obfuscated so it is not easy to tell what kind of monitoring it does.
answered Jan 13 at 11:32
jpajpa
1794
Since i am not that well versed in this topic, my use of "server" just covers whatever entity might record/watch/save said activity.
While the HTTP server doesn't see the canceled download, there may be Javascript code on the page that monitors such events.
Javascript has event handlers that can be used to detect a right click on the image, and it is quite likely that one could monitor other mouse movements to guess at what choice you make from the popup menu. After that, the script can easily send the information to server immediately, or store it in local browser storage and send it later.
In the specific case of Google Image search, the Javascript on that page does have multiple handlers listening to the mouse events. However the code is obfuscated so it is not easy to tell what kind of monitoring it does.
answered Jan 13 at 11:32
jpajpa
1794
answered Jan 13 at 11:32
jpajpa
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jpajpa
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"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with aHEADHTTP request rather than aGET.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
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"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with aHEADHTTP request rather than aGET.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
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"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with a
HEAD HTTP request rather than a GET.– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
"Save Target As" will usually contact the server to get the file name, type, size. Possibly with a
HEAD HTTP request rather than a GET.– Ben Voigt
Jan 14 at 19:53
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@BenVoigt there is a big difference between "Save Target As" and "save image as". One is for links, the other for images which are already visible and therefore have been downloaded before.
– Josef
Jan 15 at 11:52
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
@Josef: True, but I see nothing in the question that indicates OP wants to limit himself to content already in cache. In fact I see a strong suggestion to the contrary, in the phrase 'cancel before anything gets saved'.
– Ben Voigt
Jan 15 at 14:20
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This is server dependent.
The server would be able to register when the download is started (think about it, it must know because it suggests a name).
The server could also keep track of how many bytes were transferred and if/when the connection closed, which can show if the diwnload completed.
There are also other possibilities like resumed dowloads and multithreaded downloads - but again, the server could know and record all this.
Note that in the particular case of right clicking and downloading an image it is possible that the download would not register as a download at all due to client side caching.
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
9
@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds withContent-Disposition: attachment; filename="…"so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.
– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
add a comment |
This is server dependent.
The server would be able to register when the download is started (think about it, it must know because it suggests a name).
The server could also keep track of how many bytes were transferred and if/when the connection closed, which can show if the diwnload completed.
There are also other possibilities like resumed dowloads and multithreaded downloads - but again, the server could know and record all this.
Note that in the particular case of right clicking and downloading an image it is possible that the download would not register as a download at all due to client side caching.
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
9
@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds withContent-Disposition: attachment; filename="…"so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.
– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
add a comment |
This is server dependent.
The server would be able to register when the download is started (think about it, it must know because it suggests a name).
The server could also keep track of how many bytes were transferred and if/when the connection closed, which can show if the diwnload completed.
There are also other possibilities like resumed dowloads and multithreaded downloads - but again, the server could know and record all this.
Note that in the particular case of right clicking and downloading an image it is possible that the download would not register as a download at all due to client side caching.
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
This is server dependent.
The server would be able to register when the download is started (think about it, it must know because it suggests a name).
The server could also keep track of how many bytes were transferred and if/when the connection closed, which can show if the diwnload completed.
There are also other possibilities like resumed dowloads and multithreaded downloads - but again, the server could know and record all this.
Note that in the particular case of right clicking and downloading an image it is possible that the download would not register as a download at all due to client side caching.
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
answered Jan 13 at 9:09
davidgodavidgo
43.4k75291
43.4k75291
The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
9
@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds withContent-Disposition: attachment; filename="…"so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.
– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
add a comment |
The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
9
@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds withContent-Disposition: attachment; filename="…"so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.
– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
The server does not suggest a name. No additional network requests were made when I right click on your avatar and selected "save image as"
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:17
9
9
@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds with
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="…" so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
@DavidPostill Depends on how the download is initiated. If you follow a link or redirect to a resource, and the server responds with
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="…" so that the browser shows the download prompt, then even when cancelling the download the server will know about the request - and probably can even distinguish that the download was aborted.– Bergi
Jan 13 at 13:53
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If ... you cancel before anything gets saved, does the "server" notice/record this as a download?
A remote server should not notice any download activity as no download has been started.
However, a remote server knows that you have already downloaded the image in order to display it in your browser ... and a copy will be in your browser cache ...
Any "entity" monitoring your local machine directly could record something regarding that activity.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
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"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but theContent-Dispositionheader will contain the actual file name.
– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
1
@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
1
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
3
@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by theContent-Dispositionheader (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
6
Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
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If ... you cancel before anything gets saved, does the "server" notice/record this as a download?
A remote server should not notice any download activity as no download has been started.
However, a remote server knows that you have already downloaded the image in order to display it in your browser ... and a copy will be in your browser cache ...
Any "entity" monitoring your local machine directly could record something regarding that activity.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
2
"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but theContent-Dispositionheader will contain the actual file name.
– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
1
@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
1
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
3
@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by theContent-Dispositionheader (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
6
Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
|
show 1 more comment
If ... you cancel before anything gets saved, does the "server" notice/record this as a download?
A remote server should not notice any download activity as no download has been started.
However, a remote server knows that you have already downloaded the image in order to display it in your browser ... and a copy will be in your browser cache ...
Any "entity" monitoring your local machine directly could record something regarding that activity.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
If ... you cancel before anything gets saved, does the "server" notice/record this as a download?
A remote server should not notice any download activity as no download has been started.
However, a remote server knows that you have already downloaded the image in order to display it in your browser ... and a copy will be in your browser cache ...
Any "entity" monitoring your local machine directly could record something regarding that activity.
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
answered Jan 13 at 9:10
DavidPostill♦DavidPostill
104k25226260
104k25226260
2
"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but theContent-Dispositionheader will contain the actual file name.
– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
1
@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
1
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
3
@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by theContent-Dispositionheader (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
6
Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
|
show 1 more comment
2
"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but theContent-Dispositionheader will contain the actual file name.
– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
1
@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
1
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
3
@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by theContent-Dispositionheader (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
6
Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
2
2
"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but the
Content-Disposition header will contain the actual file name.– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
"Save as..." will make a request, won't it? Browser has to know what name to suggest, for one. The url migh be just plain /download but the
Content-Disposition header will contain the actual file name.– data
Jan 13 at 12:11
1
1
@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
@data No. The name is in the html of the downloaded page.
– DavidPostill♦
Jan 13 at 12:13
1
1
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
Do note that some browsers such as Chrome eagerly pre-download and cache URLs that appear in the webpage you're visiting.
– Tobia Tesan
Jan 13 at 13:33
3
3
@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by the
Content-Disposition header (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
@DavidPostill You are mistaken. The name can be overridden by the
Content-Disposition header (already mentioned to you a couple of times), meaning a request must be made first. In addition, browsers can and do begin the payload download before you've chosen a destination directory.– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 13 at 22:33
6
6
Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
Every web browser I know of will start the download as soon as you click the link, and has done so for at least the past twenty years. They won't wait for you to pick a filename -- they'll save to a temporary file (or memory) and re-name it once you hit "OK".
– Mark
Jan 14 at 0:45
|
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Registered as such by whom? Many log analysis software (ie awstats, goaccess) considers a download any file with a particular suffixes (.zip, .pdf...). The list of extensions is usually configurable. Other software may use different approaches.
– jjmontes
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