When does the soul leave the body after death?
In D&D (Forgotten Realms) lore, is there any kind of answer for how long it takes the soul to leave the body after death? If not, is there any answer implied by other rules or effects (such as resurrection spells)?
The reason I ask is because I think that this might be the reason that revivify does not require the soul to be willing whereas other spells do (since revivify must be done within a minute after death (Basic Rules, p. 104)).
Though I am asking about 5e, answers supported by earlier edition lore can be considered.
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In D&D (Forgotten Realms) lore, is there any kind of answer for how long it takes the soul to leave the body after death? If not, is there any answer implied by other rules or effects (such as resurrection spells)?
The reason I ask is because I think that this might be the reason that revivify does not require the soul to be willing whereas other spells do (since revivify must be done within a minute after death (Basic Rules, p. 104)).
Though I am asking about 5e, answers supported by earlier edition lore can be considered.
dnd-5e spells forgotten-realms lore soul
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
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asked Dec 3 '18 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
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Could you describe an example situation, when this really matters?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 19:59
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@enkryptor anytime sometime dies and the DM wants to know how that works? Note I'm not talking mechanics necessarily here, I'm talking world building and lore. Not every question here has to be a rules question you know.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:04
Is there a reason to "know how that works", when it doesn't affect anything?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 20:05
1
@enkryptor if you're looking for the reason why I asked the question in particular, look at my second paragraph.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:06
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@enkryptor Sure, there is no need to find a cannon answer. There is no reason to use any of the non-rules material provided by the books (why ask questions about WotC's pantheon of Gods you can just make up your own?). Yet some people are interested in lore and using it in their games. Even if it "doesn't affect anything". Regardless, it's fine if you don't find the question useful, I did and other people might (and judging by the votes, have) as well.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:25
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show 4 more comments
In D&D (Forgotten Realms) lore, is there any kind of answer for how long it takes the soul to leave the body after death? If not, is there any answer implied by other rules or effects (such as resurrection spells)?
The reason I ask is because I think that this might be the reason that revivify does not require the soul to be willing whereas other spells do (since revivify must be done within a minute after death (Basic Rules, p. 104)).
Though I am asking about 5e, answers supported by earlier edition lore can be considered.
dnd-5e spells forgotten-realms lore soul
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
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asked Dec 3 '18 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
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In D&D (Forgotten Realms) lore, is there any kind of answer for how long it takes the soul to leave the body after death? If not, is there any answer implied by other rules or effects (such as resurrection spells)?
The reason I ask is because I think that this might be the reason that revivify does not require the soul to be willing whereas other spells do (since revivify must be done within a minute after death (Basic Rules, p. 104)).
Though I am asking about 5e, answers supported by earlier edition lore can be considered.
dnd-5e spells forgotten-realms lore soul
dnd-5e spells forgotten-realms lore soul
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
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asked Dec 3 '18 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
48.6k6240367
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
19.7k356121
asked Dec 3 '18 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
48.6k6240367
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
19.7k356121
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
19.7k356121
edited Dec 4 '18 at 1:56
V2Blast
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19.7k356121
asked Dec 3 '18 at 14:19
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asked Dec 3 '18 at 14:19
Rubiksmoose
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48.6k6240367
Could you describe an example situation, when this really matters?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 19:59
1
@enkryptor anytime sometime dies and the DM wants to know how that works? Note I'm not talking mechanics necessarily here, I'm talking world building and lore. Not every question here has to be a rules question you know.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:04
Is there a reason to "know how that works", when it doesn't affect anything?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 20:05
1
@enkryptor if you're looking for the reason why I asked the question in particular, look at my second paragraph.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:06
1
@enkryptor Sure, there is no need to find a cannon answer. There is no reason to use any of the non-rules material provided by the books (why ask questions about WotC's pantheon of Gods you can just make up your own?). Yet some people are interested in lore and using it in their games. Even if it "doesn't affect anything". Regardless, it's fine if you don't find the question useful, I did and other people might (and judging by the votes, have) as well.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:25
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Could you describe an example situation, when this really matters?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 19:59
1
@enkryptor anytime sometime dies and the DM wants to know how that works? Note I'm not talking mechanics necessarily here, I'm talking world building and lore. Not every question here has to be a rules question you know.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:04
Is there a reason to "know how that works", when it doesn't affect anything?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 20:05
1
@enkryptor if you're looking for the reason why I asked the question in particular, look at my second paragraph.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:06
1
@enkryptor Sure, there is no need to find a cannon answer. There is no reason to use any of the non-rules material provided by the books (why ask questions about WotC's pantheon of Gods you can just make up your own?). Yet some people are interested in lore and using it in their games. Even if it "doesn't affect anything". Regardless, it's fine if you don't find the question useful, I did and other people might (and judging by the votes, have) as well.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:25
Could you describe an example situation, when this really matters?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 19:59
Could you describe an example situation, when this really matters?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 19:59
1
1
@enkryptor anytime sometime dies and the DM wants to know how that works? Note I'm not talking mechanics necessarily here, I'm talking world building and lore. Not every question here has to be a rules question you know.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:04
@enkryptor anytime sometime dies and the DM wants to know how that works? Note I'm not talking mechanics necessarily here, I'm talking world building and lore. Not every question here has to be a rules question you know.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:04
Is there a reason to "know how that works", when it doesn't affect anything?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 20:05
Is there a reason to "know how that works", when it doesn't affect anything?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 20:05
1
1
@enkryptor if you're looking for the reason why I asked the question in particular, look at my second paragraph.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:06
@enkryptor if you're looking for the reason why I asked the question in particular, look at my second paragraph.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:06
1
1
@enkryptor Sure, there is no need to find a cannon answer. There is no reason to use any of the non-rules material provided by the books (why ask questions about WotC's pantheon of Gods you can just make up your own?). Yet some people are interested in lore and using it in their games. Even if it "doesn't affect anything". Regardless, it's fine if you don't find the question useful, I did and other people might (and judging by the votes, have) as well.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:25
@enkryptor Sure, there is no need to find a cannon answer. There is no reason to use any of the non-rules material provided by the books (why ask questions about WotC's pantheon of Gods you can just make up your own?). Yet some people are interested in lore and using it in their games. Even if it "doesn't affect anything". Regardless, it's fine if you don't find the question useful, I did and other people might (and judging by the votes, have) as well.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:25
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The rules don't specify; revivify's limit is a good starting point
As with a lot of things, the D&D 5e rules leave a lot of latitude for interpretation. @Aviose came up with a good conceptual model in a comment on an answer to a question about souls in 2015.
I'm taking this opportunity to pull it out of a comment and put it into an answer that it fits.
Best way to view revivify working is simply stating that it takes
about one minute (maybe more) for the soul to leave the body upon
death. Consider that the in-world time to brain-death and look at revivify as an advanced form of CPR.
Of interest: I was looking in my 1e and 2e AD&D material and find that the explicit link between souls and raise dead / resurrect spells comes from 3e and later. I'll follow up with BECMI/BX info when I get back to where that is
An example of the immediate departure of a soul in FR is Kelemvor's soul:
Kelemvor's soul was absorbed into Cyric's sentient sword, Godsbane, in the moment he was killed on top of Blackstaff Tower.
Given the agency and nature of the sword involved, that may be an exception rather than a rule (This appears to be during the FR's AD&D 2e continuity, Prince of Lies).
answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:59
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On DMG page 24, under "Bringing Back the Dead", it states that you cannot bring back the soul of an unwilling creature:
A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and might refuse to return on that basis. For example, if the honorable knight Sturm Brightblade is slain and a high priestess of Takhisis (god of evil dragons) grabs his body, Sturm might not wish to be raised from the dead by her. Any attempts she makes to revive him automatically fail. If the evil cleric wants to revive Sturm to interrogate him, she needs to find some way to trick his soul, such as duping a good cleric into raising him and then capturing him once he is alive again.
I quote the fact that the chapter says bringing back from the dead, and revivify states “You touch a creature that has died”.
Another thing to consider 5e is when a PC gets below 0 they go into death saving throws, which is the character fighting off death before dying.
From all that I assume the soul leaves the body the moment you die.
In my opinion, this rule also protects players from not being able to die when their character is super tired of things or done with life but circumstance keeps trying to bring them back. It has also protected me as a GM from player shenanigans.
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
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What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
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The rules don't specify; revivify's limit is a good starting point
As with a lot of things, the D&D 5e rules leave a lot of latitude for interpretation. @Aviose came up with a good conceptual model in a comment on an answer to a question about souls in 2015.
I'm taking this opportunity to pull it out of a comment and put it into an answer that it fits.
Best way to view revivify working is simply stating that it takes
about one minute (maybe more) for the soul to leave the body upon
death. Consider that the in-world time to brain-death and look at revivify as an advanced form of CPR.
Of interest: I was looking in my 1e and 2e AD&D material and find that the explicit link between souls and raise dead / resurrect spells comes from 3e and later. I'll follow up with BECMI/BX info when I get back to where that is
An example of the immediate departure of a soul in FR is Kelemvor's soul:
Kelemvor's soul was absorbed into Cyric's sentient sword, Godsbane, in the moment he was killed on top of Blackstaff Tower.
Given the agency and nature of the sword involved, that may be an exception rather than a rule (This appears to be during the FR's AD&D 2e continuity, Prince of Lies).
answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:59
KorvinStarmast
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The rules don't specify; revivify's limit is a good starting point
As with a lot of things, the D&D 5e rules leave a lot of latitude for interpretation. @Aviose came up with a good conceptual model in a comment on an answer to a question about souls in 2015.
I'm taking this opportunity to pull it out of a comment and put it into an answer that it fits.
Best way to view revivify working is simply stating that it takes
about one minute (maybe more) for the soul to leave the body upon
death. Consider that the in-world time to brain-death and look at revivify as an advanced form of CPR.
Of interest: I was looking in my 1e and 2e AD&D material and find that the explicit link between souls and raise dead / resurrect spells comes from 3e and later. I'll follow up with BECMI/BX info when I get back to where that is
An example of the immediate departure of a soul in FR is Kelemvor's soul:
Kelemvor's soul was absorbed into Cyric's sentient sword, Godsbane, in the moment he was killed on top of Blackstaff Tower.
Given the agency and nature of the sword involved, that may be an exception rather than a rule (This appears to be during the FR's AD&D 2e continuity, Prince of Lies).
answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:59
KorvinStarmast
74.4k17232405
add a comment |
The rules don't specify; revivify's limit is a good starting point
As with a lot of things, the D&D 5e rules leave a lot of latitude for interpretation. @Aviose came up with a good conceptual model in a comment on an answer to a question about souls in 2015.
I'm taking this opportunity to pull it out of a comment and put it into an answer that it fits.
Best way to view revivify working is simply stating that it takes
about one minute (maybe more) for the soul to leave the body upon
death. Consider that the in-world time to brain-death and look at revivify as an advanced form of CPR.
Of interest: I was looking in my 1e and 2e AD&D material and find that the explicit link between souls and raise dead / resurrect spells comes from 3e and later. I'll follow up with BECMI/BX info when I get back to where that is
An example of the immediate departure of a soul in FR is Kelemvor's soul:
Kelemvor's soul was absorbed into Cyric's sentient sword, Godsbane, in the moment he was killed on top of Blackstaff Tower.
Given the agency and nature of the sword involved, that may be an exception rather than a rule (This appears to be during the FR's AD&D 2e continuity, Prince of Lies).
answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:59
KorvinStarmast
74.4k17232405
The rules don't specify; revivify's limit is a good starting point
As with a lot of things, the D&D 5e rules leave a lot of latitude for interpretation. @Aviose came up with a good conceptual model in a comment on an answer to a question about souls in 2015.
I'm taking this opportunity to pull it out of a comment and put it into an answer that it fits.
Best way to view revivify working is simply stating that it takes
about one minute (maybe more) for the soul to leave the body upon
death. Consider that the in-world time to brain-death and look at revivify as an advanced form of CPR.
Of interest: I was looking in my 1e and 2e AD&D material and find that the explicit link between souls and raise dead / resurrect spells comes from 3e and later. I'll follow up with BECMI/BX info when I get back to where that is
An example of the immediate departure of a soul in FR is Kelemvor's soul:
Kelemvor's soul was absorbed into Cyric's sentient sword, Godsbane, in the moment he was killed on top of Blackstaff Tower.
Given the agency and nature of the sword involved, that may be an exception rather than a rule (This appears to be during the FR's AD&D 2e continuity, Prince of Lies).
answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:59
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answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:59
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On DMG page 24, under "Bringing Back the Dead", it states that you cannot bring back the soul of an unwilling creature:
A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and might refuse to return on that basis. For example, if the honorable knight Sturm Brightblade is slain and a high priestess of Takhisis (god of evil dragons) grabs his body, Sturm might not wish to be raised from the dead by her. Any attempts she makes to revive him automatically fail. If the evil cleric wants to revive Sturm to interrogate him, she needs to find some way to trick his soul, such as duping a good cleric into raising him and then capturing him once he is alive again.
I quote the fact that the chapter says bringing back from the dead, and revivify states “You touch a creature that has died”.
Another thing to consider 5e is when a PC gets below 0 they go into death saving throws, which is the character fighting off death before dying.
From all that I assume the soul leaves the body the moment you die.
In my opinion, this rule also protects players from not being able to die when their character is super tired of things or done with life but circumstance keeps trying to bring them back. It has also protected me as a GM from player shenanigans.
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
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answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
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What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
add a comment |
On DMG page 24, under "Bringing Back the Dead", it states that you cannot bring back the soul of an unwilling creature:
A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and might refuse to return on that basis. For example, if the honorable knight Sturm Brightblade is slain and a high priestess of Takhisis (god of evil dragons) grabs his body, Sturm might not wish to be raised from the dead by her. Any attempts she makes to revive him automatically fail. If the evil cleric wants to revive Sturm to interrogate him, she needs to find some way to trick his soul, such as duping a good cleric into raising him and then capturing him once he is alive again.
I quote the fact that the chapter says bringing back from the dead, and revivify states “You touch a creature that has died”.
Another thing to consider 5e is when a PC gets below 0 they go into death saving throws, which is the character fighting off death before dying.
From all that I assume the soul leaves the body the moment you die.
In my opinion, this rule also protects players from not being able to die when their character is super tired of things or done with life but circumstance keeps trying to bring them back. It has also protected me as a GM from player shenanigans.
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
19.7k356121
answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
372
1
What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
add a comment |
On DMG page 24, under "Bringing Back the Dead", it states that you cannot bring back the soul of an unwilling creature:
A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and might refuse to return on that basis. For example, if the honorable knight Sturm Brightblade is slain and a high priestess of Takhisis (god of evil dragons) grabs his body, Sturm might not wish to be raised from the dead by her. Any attempts she makes to revive him automatically fail. If the evil cleric wants to revive Sturm to interrogate him, she needs to find some way to trick his soul, such as duping a good cleric into raising him and then capturing him once he is alive again.
I quote the fact that the chapter says bringing back from the dead, and revivify states “You touch a creature that has died”.
Another thing to consider 5e is when a PC gets below 0 they go into death saving throws, which is the character fighting off death before dying.
From all that I assume the soul leaves the body the moment you die.
In my opinion, this rule also protects players from not being able to die when their character is super tired of things or done with life but circumstance keeps trying to bring them back. It has also protected me as a GM from player shenanigans.
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
19.7k356121
answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
372
On DMG page 24, under "Bringing Back the Dead", it states that you cannot bring back the soul of an unwilling creature:
A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and might refuse to return on that basis. For example, if the honorable knight Sturm Brightblade is slain and a high priestess of Takhisis (god of evil dragons) grabs his body, Sturm might not wish to be raised from the dead by her. Any attempts she makes to revive him automatically fail. If the evil cleric wants to revive Sturm to interrogate him, she needs to find some way to trick his soul, such as duping a good cleric into raising him and then capturing him once he is alive again.
I quote the fact that the chapter says bringing back from the dead, and revivify states “You touch a creature that has died”.
Another thing to consider 5e is when a PC gets below 0 they go into death saving throws, which is the character fighting off death before dying.
From all that I assume the soul leaves the body the moment you die.
In my opinion, this rule also protects players from not being able to die when their character is super tired of things or done with life but circumstance keeps trying to bring them back. It has also protected me as a GM from player shenanigans.
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
19.7k356121
answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
372
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
19.7k356121
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
19.7k356121
edited Dec 15 '18 at 19:25
V2Blast
19.7k356121
19.7k356121
answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
372
answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
372
answered Dec 15 '18 at 12:01
Goopbgone
372
372
1
What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
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What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
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What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
What conclusion do you draw from quoting that fact? You don't actually state your conclusion of when the soul leaves the body, which is necessary to answer the question.
– doppelgreener♦
Dec 15 '18 at 12:09
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
Oh I gues I wasn’t clear, I’ll edit it. my conclusion is the soil leaves the body when you die period
– Goopbgone
Dec 15 '18 at 12:11
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
wraiths form the monster manual add a bit of support, "When a mortal humanoid lives a debased life or enters into a fiendish pact, it consigns its soul to eternal damnation in the Lower Planes. However, sometimes the soul becomes so suffused with negative energy that it collapses in on itself and ceases to exist the instant before it can shuffle off to some horrible afterlife...."
– John
Dec 15 '18 at 16:17
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Could you describe an example situation, when this really matters?
– enkryptor
Dec 15 '18 at 19:59
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@enkryptor anytime sometime dies and the DM wants to know how that works? Note I'm not talking mechanics necessarily here, I'm talking world building and lore. Not every question here has to be a rules question you know.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:04
Is there a reason to "know how that works", when it doesn't affect anything?
– enkryptor
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@enkryptor if you're looking for the reason why I asked the question in particular, look at my second paragraph.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:06
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@enkryptor Sure, there is no need to find a cannon answer. There is no reason to use any of the non-rules material provided by the books (why ask questions about WotC's pantheon of Gods you can just make up your own?). Yet some people are interested in lore and using it in their games. Even if it "doesn't affect anything". Regardless, it's fine if you don't find the question useful, I did and other people might (and judging by the votes, have) as well.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 15 '18 at 20:25