Pawn and peon … do they have the same origin and original meaning?
This is something I've been wondering a while and it may be owed to the fact that on occasion when you see a movie or documentary with subtitles turned on, the spoken word that I would recognize as "pawn" is being spelled "peon" in the subtitles.
Now do a search for pawn peon on this site. Turns out that even on this site someone was using the two words seemingly in an interchangeable fashion.
Wiktionary gives two explanations for the meaning of pawn (quote):
(chess) The most common chess piece, or a similar piece in a similar game. In chess each side has eight; moves are only forward, and attacks are only forward diagonally or en passant.
(colloquial) Someone who is being manipulated or used to some end, usually not the end that individual would prefer.
Though a pawn of the gods, her departure is the precipitating cause of the Trojan War.
There is no mention of peon on that page, yet the three explanations for the meaning of peon given on its page - also in the sense pawn is used in chess - are relatively close. But whereas pawn is traced back to French, peon is traced back to Spanish according to those web pages. Both being Romance languages, this does of course not rule out a common origin.
So what I am wondering is: is it mere misunderstanding and/or error when someone spells the spoken word "pawn" as "peon" or are the words sharing the same origin and original meaning?
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This is something I've been wondering a while and it may be owed to the fact that on occasion when you see a movie or documentary with subtitles turned on, the spoken word that I would recognize as "pawn" is being spelled "peon" in the subtitles.
Now do a search for pawn peon on this site. Turns out that even on this site someone was using the two words seemingly in an interchangeable fashion.
Wiktionary gives two explanations for the meaning of pawn (quote):
(chess) The most common chess piece, or a similar piece in a similar game. In chess each side has eight; moves are only forward, and attacks are only forward diagonally or en passant.
(colloquial) Someone who is being manipulated or used to some end, usually not the end that individual would prefer.
Though a pawn of the gods, her departure is the precipitating cause of the Trojan War.
There is no mention of peon on that page, yet the three explanations for the meaning of peon given on its page - also in the sense pawn is used in chess - are relatively close. But whereas pawn is traced back to French, peon is traced back to Spanish according to those web pages. Both being Romance languages, this does of course not rule out a common origin.
So what I am wondering is: is it mere misunderstanding and/or error when someone spells the spoken word "pawn" as "peon" or are the words sharing the same origin and original meaning?
etymology
asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
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For the future: If you Google, for instance,etymology pawnyou will be shown several sites which give the word's etymology.
– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 14:02
Using Google this way (and usingdefine pawnfor definitions) is helpful, because you can easily access a number of opinions.
– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 16:21
@HotLicks ah, I see. Sodefineis some kind of search operator likeinurl:?
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 16:22
Some TV closed-captioning these days seems to be outsourced to low-cost countries where English is a second (or third, etc) language and the captioners get words wrong. One might expect more of movies and documentaries, perhaps...
– torek
Nov 22 '18 at 18:12
defineandetymologyare not so much "operators" as they are simply keywords that Google recognizes as having special significance.
– Hot Licks
Nov 23 '18 at 3:45
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This is something I've been wondering a while and it may be owed to the fact that on occasion when you see a movie or documentary with subtitles turned on, the spoken word that I would recognize as "pawn" is being spelled "peon" in the subtitles.
Now do a search for pawn peon on this site. Turns out that even on this site someone was using the two words seemingly in an interchangeable fashion.
Wiktionary gives two explanations for the meaning of pawn (quote):
(chess) The most common chess piece, or a similar piece in a similar game. In chess each side has eight; moves are only forward, and attacks are only forward diagonally or en passant.
(colloquial) Someone who is being manipulated or used to some end, usually not the end that individual would prefer.
Though a pawn of the gods, her departure is the precipitating cause of the Trojan War.
There is no mention of peon on that page, yet the three explanations for the meaning of peon given on its page - also in the sense pawn is used in chess - are relatively close. But whereas pawn is traced back to French, peon is traced back to Spanish according to those web pages. Both being Romance languages, this does of course not rule out a common origin.
So what I am wondering is: is it mere misunderstanding and/or error when someone spells the spoken word "pawn" as "peon" or are the words sharing the same origin and original meaning?
etymology
asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
0xC0000022L0xC0000022L
40311020
This is something I've been wondering a while and it may be owed to the fact that on occasion when you see a movie or documentary with subtitles turned on, the spoken word that I would recognize as "pawn" is being spelled "peon" in the subtitles.
Now do a search for pawn peon on this site. Turns out that even on this site someone was using the two words seemingly in an interchangeable fashion.
Wiktionary gives two explanations for the meaning of pawn (quote):
(chess) The most common chess piece, or a similar piece in a similar game. In chess each side has eight; moves are only forward, and attacks are only forward diagonally or en passant.
(colloquial) Someone who is being manipulated or used to some end, usually not the end that individual would prefer.
Though a pawn of the gods, her departure is the precipitating cause of the Trojan War.
There is no mention of peon on that page, yet the three explanations for the meaning of peon given on its page - also in the sense pawn is used in chess - are relatively close. But whereas pawn is traced back to French, peon is traced back to Spanish according to those web pages. Both being Romance languages, this does of course not rule out a common origin.
So what I am wondering is: is it mere misunderstanding and/or error when someone spells the spoken word "pawn" as "peon" or are the words sharing the same origin and original meaning?
etymology
etymology
asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
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40311020
asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
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asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
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asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
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asked Nov 22 '18 at 12:37
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For the future: If you Google, for instance,etymology pawnyou will be shown several sites which give the word's etymology.
– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 14:02
Using Google this way (and usingdefine pawnfor definitions) is helpful, because you can easily access a number of opinions.
– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 16:21
@HotLicks ah, I see. Sodefineis some kind of search operator likeinurl:?
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 16:22
Some TV closed-captioning these days seems to be outsourced to low-cost countries where English is a second (or third, etc) language and the captioners get words wrong. One might expect more of movies and documentaries, perhaps...
– torek
Nov 22 '18 at 18:12
defineandetymologyare not so much "operators" as they are simply keywords that Google recognizes as having special significance.
– Hot Licks
Nov 23 '18 at 3:45
add a comment |
For the future: If you Google, for instance,etymology pawnyou will be shown several sites which give the word's etymology.
– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 14:02
Using Google this way (and usingdefine pawnfor definitions) is helpful, because you can easily access a number of opinions.
– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 16:21
@HotLicks ah, I see. Sodefineis some kind of search operator likeinurl:?
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 16:22
Some TV closed-captioning these days seems to be outsourced to low-cost countries where English is a second (or third, etc) language and the captioners get words wrong. One might expect more of movies and documentaries, perhaps...
– torek
Nov 22 '18 at 18:12
defineandetymologyare not so much "operators" as they are simply keywords that Google recognizes as having special significance.
– Hot Licks
Nov 23 '18 at 3:45
For the future: If you Google, for instance,
etymology pawn you will be shown several sites which give the word's etymology.– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 14:02
For the future: If you Google, for instance,
etymology pawn you will be shown several sites which give the word's etymology.– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 14:02
Using Google this way (and using
define pawn for definitions) is helpful, because you can easily access a number of opinions.– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 16:21
Using Google this way (and using
define pawn for definitions) is helpful, because you can easily access a number of opinions.– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 16:21
@HotLicks ah, I see. So
define is some kind of search operator like inurl:?– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 16:22
@HotLicks ah, I see. So
define is some kind of search operator like inurl:?– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 16:22
Some TV closed-captioning these days seems to be outsourced to low-cost countries where English is a second (or third, etc) language and the captioners get words wrong. One might expect more of movies and documentaries, perhaps...
– torek
Nov 22 '18 at 18:12
Some TV closed-captioning these days seems to be outsourced to low-cost countries where English is a second (or third, etc) language and the captioners get words wrong. One might expect more of movies and documentaries, perhaps...
– torek
Nov 22 '18 at 18:12
define and etymology are not so much "operators" as they are simply keywords that Google recognizes as having special significance.– Hot Licks
Nov 23 '18 at 3:45
define and etymology are not so much "operators" as they are simply keywords that Google recognizes as having special significance.– Hot Licks
Nov 23 '18 at 3:45
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From etymonline, on "peon":
...from Spanish peon "day laborer," also "pedestrian," originally "foot soldier," from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier" (see pawn (n.2)).
Following the reference, we get "pawn" in the sense of the chess piece:
...from Anglo-French poun, Old French peon, earlier pehon, from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier"... Figurative use, of persons, is from 1580s.
So it looks like you're correct that they come from the same root. However, they're not interchangeable - 'peon' indicates low status, but 'pawn' indicates someone who is being manipulated, due to the chess connection. A king could be the pawn of a crafty advisor, but he's hardly a peon; likewise, a peasant farmer is a peon, but if he's just minding his own business and no noble is taking notice of him, he's unlikely to be anyone's pawn in a direct sense.
answered Nov 22 '18 at 12:53
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thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
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From etymonline, on "peon":
...from Spanish peon "day laborer," also "pedestrian," originally "foot soldier," from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier" (see pawn (n.2)).
Following the reference, we get "pawn" in the sense of the chess piece:
...from Anglo-French poun, Old French peon, earlier pehon, from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier"... Figurative use, of persons, is from 1580s.
So it looks like you're correct that they come from the same root. However, they're not interchangeable - 'peon' indicates low status, but 'pawn' indicates someone who is being manipulated, due to the chess connection. A king could be the pawn of a crafty advisor, but he's hardly a peon; likewise, a peasant farmer is a peon, but if he's just minding his own business and no noble is taking notice of him, he's unlikely to be anyone's pawn in a direct sense.
answered Nov 22 '18 at 12:53
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thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
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From etymonline, on "peon":
...from Spanish peon "day laborer," also "pedestrian," originally "foot soldier," from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier" (see pawn (n.2)).
Following the reference, we get "pawn" in the sense of the chess piece:
...from Anglo-French poun, Old French peon, earlier pehon, from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier"... Figurative use, of persons, is from 1580s.
So it looks like you're correct that they come from the same root. However, they're not interchangeable - 'peon' indicates low status, but 'pawn' indicates someone who is being manipulated, due to the chess connection. A king could be the pawn of a crafty advisor, but he's hardly a peon; likewise, a peasant farmer is a peon, but if he's just minding his own business and no noble is taking notice of him, he's unlikely to be anyone's pawn in a direct sense.
answered Nov 22 '18 at 12:53
Alan T.Alan T.
1,016214
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thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
add a comment |
From etymonline, on "peon":
...from Spanish peon "day laborer," also "pedestrian," originally "foot soldier," from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier" (see pawn (n.2)).
Following the reference, we get "pawn" in the sense of the chess piece:
...from Anglo-French poun, Old French peon, earlier pehon, from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier"... Figurative use, of persons, is from 1580s.
So it looks like you're correct that they come from the same root. However, they're not interchangeable - 'peon' indicates low status, but 'pawn' indicates someone who is being manipulated, due to the chess connection. A king could be the pawn of a crafty advisor, but he's hardly a peon; likewise, a peasant farmer is a peon, but if he's just minding his own business and no noble is taking notice of him, he's unlikely to be anyone's pawn in a direct sense.
answered Nov 22 '18 at 12:53
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From etymonline, on "peon":
...from Spanish peon "day laborer," also "pedestrian," originally "foot soldier," from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier" (see pawn (n.2)).
Following the reference, we get "pawn" in the sense of the chess piece:
...from Anglo-French poun, Old French peon, earlier pehon, from Medieval Latin pedonem "foot soldier"... Figurative use, of persons, is from 1580s.
So it looks like you're correct that they come from the same root. However, they're not interchangeable - 'peon' indicates low status, but 'pawn' indicates someone who is being manipulated, due to the chess connection. A king could be the pawn of a crafty advisor, but he's hardly a peon; likewise, a peasant farmer is a peon, but if he's just minding his own business and no noble is taking notice of him, he's unlikely to be anyone's pawn in a direct sense.
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thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
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thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
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thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
thanks for tracking it down further. I bookmarked that website, it was new to me. Just one clarification: I observed that someone was using them in a seemingly interchangeable fashion, not that they necessarily are interchangeable.
– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 13:24
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For the future: If you Google, for instance,
etymology pawnyou will be shown several sites which give the word's etymology.– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 14:02
Using Google this way (and using
define pawnfor definitions) is helpful, because you can easily access a number of opinions.– Hot Licks
Nov 22 '18 at 16:21
@HotLicks ah, I see. So
defineis some kind of search operator likeinurl:?– 0xC0000022L
Nov 22 '18 at 16:22
Some TV closed-captioning these days seems to be outsourced to low-cost countries where English is a second (or third, etc) language and the captioners get words wrong. One might expect more of movies and documentaries, perhaps...
– torek
Nov 22 '18 at 18:12
defineandetymologyare not so much "operators" as they are simply keywords that Google recognizes as having special significance.– Hot Licks
Nov 23 '18 at 3:45