How can this English sentence be translated into a logical expression?
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You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Let:
- $P$ stands for "you can ride the roller coaster"
- $Q$ stands for "you are under 4 feet tall"
- $R$ stands for "you are older than 16 years old"
Is this logical expression correctly translated?
$$P rightarrow (Q wedge R)$$
discrete-mathematics logic
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You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Let:
- $P$ stands for "you can ride the roller coaster"
- $Q$ stands for "you are under 4 feet tall"
- $R$ stands for "you are older than 16 years old"
Is this logical expression correctly translated?
$$P rightarrow (Q wedge R)$$
discrete-mathematics logic
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$ (q land lnot r) Rightarrow p $
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– Epsilon
Nov 3 '14 at 5:20
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You can pretty much see that your answer must be wrong because it translates as "if you cannot ride the roller coaster then. . .", whereas the given statement says something like "if. . . then you cannot rider the roller coaster." In other words you have made the converse error.
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– David
Nov 3 '14 at 5:23
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$P$ must stand for 'you can ride the roller coaster'..
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– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 11:04
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As you can see from your source : Kenneth Rosen, Discrete mathematics and its applications (7th ed), page 17, the answer is : $(q ∧¬r) → ¬p$.
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– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Nov 6 '14 at 13:19
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You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Let:
- $P$ stands for "you can ride the roller coaster"
- $Q$ stands for "you are under 4 feet tall"
- $R$ stands for "you are older than 16 years old"
Is this logical expression correctly translated?
$$P rightarrow (Q wedge R)$$
discrete-mathematics logic
$endgroup$
You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Let:
- $P$ stands for "you can ride the roller coaster"
- $Q$ stands for "you are under 4 feet tall"
- $R$ stands for "you are older than 16 years old"
Is this logical expression correctly translated?
$$P rightarrow (Q wedge R)$$
discrete-mathematics logic
discrete-mathematics logic
edited Nov 3 '14 at 12:58
Bruno Bentzen
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asked Nov 3 '14 at 5:10
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$ (q land lnot r) Rightarrow p $
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– Epsilon
Nov 3 '14 at 5:20
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You can pretty much see that your answer must be wrong because it translates as "if you cannot ride the roller coaster then. . .", whereas the given statement says something like "if. . . then you cannot rider the roller coaster." In other words you have made the converse error.
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– David
Nov 3 '14 at 5:23
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$P$ must stand for 'you can ride the roller coaster'..
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– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 11:04
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As you can see from your source : Kenneth Rosen, Discrete mathematics and its applications (7th ed), page 17, the answer is : $(q ∧¬r) → ¬p$.
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– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Nov 6 '14 at 13:19
add a comment |
1
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$ (q land lnot r) Rightarrow p $
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– Epsilon
Nov 3 '14 at 5:20
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You can pretty much see that your answer must be wrong because it translates as "if you cannot ride the roller coaster then. . .", whereas the given statement says something like "if. . . then you cannot rider the roller coaster." In other words you have made the converse error.
$endgroup$
– David
Nov 3 '14 at 5:23
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$P$ must stand for 'you can ride the roller coaster'..
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 11:04
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As you can see from your source : Kenneth Rosen, Discrete mathematics and its applications (7th ed), page 17, the answer is : $(q ∧¬r) → ¬p$.
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– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Nov 6 '14 at 13:19
1
1
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$ (q land lnot r) Rightarrow p $
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– Epsilon
Nov 3 '14 at 5:20
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$ (q land lnot r) Rightarrow p $
$endgroup$
– Epsilon
Nov 3 '14 at 5:20
$begingroup$
You can pretty much see that your answer must be wrong because it translates as "if you cannot ride the roller coaster then. . .", whereas the given statement says something like "if. . . then you cannot rider the roller coaster." In other words you have made the converse error.
$endgroup$
– David
Nov 3 '14 at 5:23
$begingroup$
You can pretty much see that your answer must be wrong because it translates as "if you cannot ride the roller coaster then. . .", whereas the given statement says something like "if. . . then you cannot rider the roller coaster." In other words you have made the converse error.
$endgroup$
– David
Nov 3 '14 at 5:23
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$P$ must stand for 'you can ride the roller coaster'..
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 11:04
$begingroup$
$P$ must stand for 'you can ride the roller coaster'..
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 11:04
$begingroup$
As you can see from your source : Kenneth Rosen, Discrete mathematics and its applications (7th ed), page 17, the answer is : $(q ∧¬r) → ¬p$.
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– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Nov 6 '14 at 13:19
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As you can see from your source : Kenneth Rosen, Discrete mathematics and its applications (7th ed), page 17, the answer is : $(q ∧¬r) → ¬p$.
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– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Nov 6 '14 at 13:19
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The suggestion of $Pto (Q wedge R)$ would say that in order to ride the roller coaster you must be at least $4$ feet tall and you must me at least $16$ years old. But I would say the meaning of the given sentence is that you need to satisfy one of the age and height conditions, not both.
I think the sentence means: In order to ride the roller coaster, you must be at least $4$ feet tall, or you must be over $16$ years old.
Symbolically (using your $P, Q, R$), this would be $Pto (Qvee R)$. In contrapositive form (which would tell you what keeps you from riding the roller coaster: $(neg Pwedge neg Q)to neg R$. (If you are under 4 feet tall and younger than $16$, then you can't ride the roller coaster).
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(1) 'Unless' statements:
We have some strategies to transform 'unless' clauses in conditional statements. The most common seems to be directly translate it to a 'if not':
- I'm not coming to the party unless Sylvia comes.
- I wouldn't eat that food unless I was really hungry.
Where both respectively translate to:
- If Sylvia is not coming to the party, neither do I.
- If am not really hungry I wouldn't eat that food.
Optionally, we can still transform the above sentences in their contrapositive form:
- I am coming to the party if Sylvia does.
- I would eat that food If am really hungry.
(2) Your Answer:
Consider the English sentence
You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Note that its structure is the same as
If you are under 4 feet tall you cannot ride the roller coaster unless you are older than 16 years
Now we set up our glossary.
Let:
- $P$ means 'you $color{red}{can}$ ride the roller coaster'
- $Q$ means 'you are under 4 feet tall'
- $R$ means 'you are older than 16 years old'
Your answer is
$$ Q to (P to R)$$
(Note that we translated the 'unless' clause direclty to its contrapositive form)
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Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
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– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
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@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
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– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
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Solution: let suppose
q= You can ride the roller coaster;
p= you are older than 16 years old;
r= you are under 4 feet tall;
There is two states of “q if p” and “q if r”;
Because
• q unless p :: (the statement is as )
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are not older than 16 years old;
• q, if r :: (the statement is as)
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are under 4 feet tall;
• These two statements have same conclusion that is “you can ride a roller coaster” and the hypothesis are two.
So these two conclusions may be simplify in one statement as:
“You can ride the roller coaster, if you are under 4 feet tall and you are not older than 16 years old”
Then in this statement there is the (q, if p) form of implication and p which is the hypothesis has the operator “and” .So, the expression is
Hypothesis -> conclusion as:
(r ^ ~p) -> ~q
Where ~p means: you are not older than 16 years old” and
~q means: You cannot ride the roller coaster.
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The suggestion of $Pto (Q wedge R)$ would say that in order to ride the roller coaster you must be at least $4$ feet tall and you must me at least $16$ years old. But I would say the meaning of the given sentence is that you need to satisfy one of the age and height conditions, not both.
I think the sentence means: In order to ride the roller coaster, you must be at least $4$ feet tall, or you must be over $16$ years old.
Symbolically (using your $P, Q, R$), this would be $Pto (Qvee R)$. In contrapositive form (which would tell you what keeps you from riding the roller coaster: $(neg Pwedge neg Q)to neg R$. (If you are under 4 feet tall and younger than $16$, then you can't ride the roller coaster).
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The suggestion of $Pto (Q wedge R)$ would say that in order to ride the roller coaster you must be at least $4$ feet tall and you must me at least $16$ years old. But I would say the meaning of the given sentence is that you need to satisfy one of the age and height conditions, not both.
I think the sentence means: In order to ride the roller coaster, you must be at least $4$ feet tall, or you must be over $16$ years old.
Symbolically (using your $P, Q, R$), this would be $Pto (Qvee R)$. In contrapositive form (which would tell you what keeps you from riding the roller coaster: $(neg Pwedge neg Q)to neg R$. (If you are under 4 feet tall and younger than $16$, then you can't ride the roller coaster).
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The suggestion of $Pto (Q wedge R)$ would say that in order to ride the roller coaster you must be at least $4$ feet tall and you must me at least $16$ years old. But I would say the meaning of the given sentence is that you need to satisfy one of the age and height conditions, not both.
I think the sentence means: In order to ride the roller coaster, you must be at least $4$ feet tall, or you must be over $16$ years old.
Symbolically (using your $P, Q, R$), this would be $Pto (Qvee R)$. In contrapositive form (which would tell you what keeps you from riding the roller coaster: $(neg Pwedge neg Q)to neg R$. (If you are under 4 feet tall and younger than $16$, then you can't ride the roller coaster).
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The suggestion of $Pto (Q wedge R)$ would say that in order to ride the roller coaster you must be at least $4$ feet tall and you must me at least $16$ years old. But I would say the meaning of the given sentence is that you need to satisfy one of the age and height conditions, not both.
I think the sentence means: In order to ride the roller coaster, you must be at least $4$ feet tall, or you must be over $16$ years old.
Symbolically (using your $P, Q, R$), this would be $Pto (Qvee R)$. In contrapositive form (which would tell you what keeps you from riding the roller coaster: $(neg Pwedge neg Q)to neg R$. (If you are under 4 feet tall and younger than $16$, then you can't ride the roller coaster).
answered Nov 3 '14 at 11:34
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(1) 'Unless' statements:
We have some strategies to transform 'unless' clauses in conditional statements. The most common seems to be directly translate it to a 'if not':
- I'm not coming to the party unless Sylvia comes.
- I wouldn't eat that food unless I was really hungry.
Where both respectively translate to:
- If Sylvia is not coming to the party, neither do I.
- If am not really hungry I wouldn't eat that food.
Optionally, we can still transform the above sentences in their contrapositive form:
- I am coming to the party if Sylvia does.
- I would eat that food If am really hungry.
(2) Your Answer:
Consider the English sentence
You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Note that its structure is the same as
If you are under 4 feet tall you cannot ride the roller coaster unless you are older than 16 years
Now we set up our glossary.
Let:
- $P$ means 'you $color{red}{can}$ ride the roller coaster'
- $Q$ means 'you are under 4 feet tall'
- $R$ means 'you are older than 16 years old'
Your answer is
$$ Q to (P to R)$$
(Note that we translated the 'unless' clause direclty to its contrapositive form)
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Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
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– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
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@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
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– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
add a comment |
$begingroup$
(1) 'Unless' statements:
We have some strategies to transform 'unless' clauses in conditional statements. The most common seems to be directly translate it to a 'if not':
- I'm not coming to the party unless Sylvia comes.
- I wouldn't eat that food unless I was really hungry.
Where both respectively translate to:
- If Sylvia is not coming to the party, neither do I.
- If am not really hungry I wouldn't eat that food.
Optionally, we can still transform the above sentences in their contrapositive form:
- I am coming to the party if Sylvia does.
- I would eat that food If am really hungry.
(2) Your Answer:
Consider the English sentence
You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Note that its structure is the same as
If you are under 4 feet tall you cannot ride the roller coaster unless you are older than 16 years
Now we set up our glossary.
Let:
- $P$ means 'you $color{red}{can}$ ride the roller coaster'
- $Q$ means 'you are under 4 feet tall'
- $R$ means 'you are older than 16 years old'
Your answer is
$$ Q to (P to R)$$
(Note that we translated the 'unless' clause direclty to its contrapositive form)
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$begingroup$
Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
$endgroup$
– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
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@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
add a comment |
$begingroup$
(1) 'Unless' statements:
We have some strategies to transform 'unless' clauses in conditional statements. The most common seems to be directly translate it to a 'if not':
- I'm not coming to the party unless Sylvia comes.
- I wouldn't eat that food unless I was really hungry.
Where both respectively translate to:
- If Sylvia is not coming to the party, neither do I.
- If am not really hungry I wouldn't eat that food.
Optionally, we can still transform the above sentences in their contrapositive form:
- I am coming to the party if Sylvia does.
- I would eat that food If am really hungry.
(2) Your Answer:
Consider the English sentence
You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Note that its structure is the same as
If you are under 4 feet tall you cannot ride the roller coaster unless you are older than 16 years
Now we set up our glossary.
Let:
- $P$ means 'you $color{red}{can}$ ride the roller coaster'
- $Q$ means 'you are under 4 feet tall'
- $R$ means 'you are older than 16 years old'
Your answer is
$$ Q to (P to R)$$
(Note that we translated the 'unless' clause direclty to its contrapositive form)
$endgroup$
(1) 'Unless' statements:
We have some strategies to transform 'unless' clauses in conditional statements. The most common seems to be directly translate it to a 'if not':
- I'm not coming to the party unless Sylvia comes.
- I wouldn't eat that food unless I was really hungry.
Where both respectively translate to:
- If Sylvia is not coming to the party, neither do I.
- If am not really hungry I wouldn't eat that food.
Optionally, we can still transform the above sentences in their contrapositive form:
- I am coming to the party if Sylvia does.
- I would eat that food If am really hungry.
(2) Your Answer:
Consider the English sentence
You cannot ride the roller coaster if you are under 4 feet tall unless you are older than 16 years old.
Note that its structure is the same as
If you are under 4 feet tall you cannot ride the roller coaster unless you are older than 16 years
Now we set up our glossary.
Let:
- $P$ means 'you $color{red}{can}$ ride the roller coaster'
- $Q$ means 'you are under 4 feet tall'
- $R$ means 'you are older than 16 years old'
Your answer is
$$ Q to (P to R)$$
(Note that we translated the 'unless' clause direclty to its contrapositive form)
edited Nov 3 '14 at 5:53
answered Nov 3 '14 at 5:24
Bruno BentzenBruno Bentzen
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Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
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– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
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@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
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– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
add a comment |
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Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
$endgroup$
– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
$begingroup$
@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
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Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
$endgroup$
– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
$begingroup$
Or ( q-> -r ) -> p is it true ?
$endgroup$
– user189029
Nov 3 '14 at 6:01
$begingroup$
@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
$begingroup$
@user189029 Hint: Have a look at their truth-tables, are their both logically equivalent?
$endgroup$
– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 6:09
add a comment |
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Solution: let suppose
q= You can ride the roller coaster;
p= you are older than 16 years old;
r= you are under 4 feet tall;
There is two states of “q if p” and “q if r”;
Because
• q unless p :: (the statement is as )
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are not older than 16 years old;
• q, if r :: (the statement is as)
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are under 4 feet tall;
• These two statements have same conclusion that is “you can ride a roller coaster” and the hypothesis are two.
So these two conclusions may be simplify in one statement as:
“You can ride the roller coaster, if you are under 4 feet tall and you are not older than 16 years old”
Then in this statement there is the (q, if p) form of implication and p which is the hypothesis has the operator “and” .So, the expression is
Hypothesis -> conclusion as:
(r ^ ~p) -> ~q
Where ~p means: you are not older than 16 years old” and
~q means: You cannot ride the roller coaster.
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please make use of MathJax
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– user190080
Apr 19 '16 at 14:30
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Solution: let suppose
q= You can ride the roller coaster;
p= you are older than 16 years old;
r= you are under 4 feet tall;
There is two states of “q if p” and “q if r”;
Because
• q unless p :: (the statement is as )
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are not older than 16 years old;
• q, if r :: (the statement is as)
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are under 4 feet tall;
• These two statements have same conclusion that is “you can ride a roller coaster” and the hypothesis are two.
So these two conclusions may be simplify in one statement as:
“You can ride the roller coaster, if you are under 4 feet tall and you are not older than 16 years old”
Then in this statement there is the (q, if p) form of implication and p which is the hypothesis has the operator “and” .So, the expression is
Hypothesis -> conclusion as:
(r ^ ~p) -> ~q
Where ~p means: you are not older than 16 years old” and
~q means: You cannot ride the roller coaster.
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please make use of MathJax
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– user190080
Apr 19 '16 at 14:30
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Solution: let suppose
q= You can ride the roller coaster;
p= you are older than 16 years old;
r= you are under 4 feet tall;
There is two states of “q if p” and “q if r”;
Because
• q unless p :: (the statement is as )
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are not older than 16 years old;
• q, if r :: (the statement is as)
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are under 4 feet tall;
• These two statements have same conclusion that is “you can ride a roller coaster” and the hypothesis are two.
So these two conclusions may be simplify in one statement as:
“You can ride the roller coaster, if you are under 4 feet tall and you are not older than 16 years old”
Then in this statement there is the (q, if p) form of implication and p which is the hypothesis has the operator “and” .So, the expression is
Hypothesis -> conclusion as:
(r ^ ~p) -> ~q
Where ~p means: you are not older than 16 years old” and
~q means: You cannot ride the roller coaster.
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Solution: let suppose
q= You can ride the roller coaster;
p= you are older than 16 years old;
r= you are under 4 feet tall;
There is two states of “q if p” and “q if r”;
Because
• q unless p :: (the statement is as )
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are not older than 16 years old;
• q, if r :: (the statement is as)
You can ride the roller coaster unless you are under 4 feet tall;
• These two statements have same conclusion that is “you can ride a roller coaster” and the hypothesis are two.
So these two conclusions may be simplify in one statement as:
“You can ride the roller coaster, if you are under 4 feet tall and you are not older than 16 years old”
Then in this statement there is the (q, if p) form of implication and p which is the hypothesis has the operator “and” .So, the expression is
Hypothesis -> conclusion as:
(r ^ ~p) -> ~q
Where ~p means: you are not older than 16 years old” and
~q means: You cannot ride the roller coaster.
answered Apr 19 '16 at 14:07
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$ (q land lnot r) Rightarrow p $
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– Epsilon
Nov 3 '14 at 5:20
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You can pretty much see that your answer must be wrong because it translates as "if you cannot ride the roller coaster then. . .", whereas the given statement says something like "if. . . then you cannot rider the roller coaster." In other words you have made the converse error.
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– David
Nov 3 '14 at 5:23
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$P$ must stand for 'you can ride the roller coaster'..
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– Bruno Bentzen
Nov 3 '14 at 11:04
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As you can see from your source : Kenneth Rosen, Discrete mathematics and its applications (7th ed), page 17, the answer is : $(q ∧¬r) → ¬p$.
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– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Nov 6 '14 at 13:19