Compute the flow $Phi_t$ of $mathbb{X}(x,y)=(y,x)$
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Let $mathbb{X}$ be the vector field on $mathbb{R}^2$ given by $$ mathbb{X}(x,y) = (y,x). $$ Compute the flow $Phi_t$ of
$mathbb{X}$
I was reading through an answer on math.stackexchange entitled "Finding the flow of a pushforward of vector field" and the first part of his problem was this question.
The solution he gave was $Phi_t(x,y)=(frac{x+y}{2}e^t+frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t},frac{x+y}{2}e^t +frac{x-y}{2}e^{-t})$
My understanding is that to calculate the flow, you consider: $Phi_t(x,y)=(dot{x},dot{y})=(y,x)$ and try to solve.
Why cant the flow be $Phi(x,y)=((y-x)e^{-t},(x-y)e^{-t})$?
It is probably a problem with definitions, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
calculus ordinary-differential-equations derivatives
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Let $mathbb{X}$ be the vector field on $mathbb{R}^2$ given by $$ mathbb{X}(x,y) = (y,x). $$ Compute the flow $Phi_t$ of
$mathbb{X}$
I was reading through an answer on math.stackexchange entitled "Finding the flow of a pushforward of vector field" and the first part of his problem was this question.
The solution he gave was $Phi_t(x,y)=(frac{x+y}{2}e^t+frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t},frac{x+y}{2}e^t +frac{x-y}{2}e^{-t})$
My understanding is that to calculate the flow, you consider: $Phi_t(x,y)=(dot{x},dot{y})=(y,x)$ and try to solve.
Why cant the flow be $Phi(x,y)=((y-x)e^{-t},(x-y)e^{-t})$?
It is probably a problem with definitions, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
calculus ordinary-differential-equations derivatives
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Let $mathbb{X}$ be the vector field on $mathbb{R}^2$ given by $$ mathbb{X}(x,y) = (y,x). $$ Compute the flow $Phi_t$ of
$mathbb{X}$
I was reading through an answer on math.stackexchange entitled "Finding the flow of a pushforward of vector field" and the first part of his problem was this question.
The solution he gave was $Phi_t(x,y)=(frac{x+y}{2}e^t+frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t},frac{x+y}{2}e^t +frac{x-y}{2}e^{-t})$
My understanding is that to calculate the flow, you consider: $Phi_t(x,y)=(dot{x},dot{y})=(y,x)$ and try to solve.
Why cant the flow be $Phi(x,y)=((y-x)e^{-t},(x-y)e^{-t})$?
It is probably a problem with definitions, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
calculus ordinary-differential-equations derivatives
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Let $mathbb{X}$ be the vector field on $mathbb{R}^2$ given by $$ mathbb{X}(x,y) = (y,x). $$ Compute the flow $Phi_t$ of
$mathbb{X}$
I was reading through an answer on math.stackexchange entitled "Finding the flow of a pushforward of vector field" and the first part of his problem was this question.
The solution he gave was $Phi_t(x,y)=(frac{x+y}{2}e^t+frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t},frac{x+y}{2}e^t +frac{x-y}{2}e^{-t})$
My understanding is that to calculate the flow, you consider: $Phi_t(x,y)=(dot{x},dot{y})=(y,x)$ and try to solve.
Why cant the flow be $Phi(x,y)=((y-x)e^{-t},(x-y)e^{-t})$?
It is probably a problem with definitions, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
calculus ordinary-differential-equations derivatives
calculus ordinary-differential-equations derivatives
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No, it is not a problem with definition.
Hint. The flow of the linear vector field $Az$ is given by its matrix exponent $e^{tA}z$. In your case
$$
A=begin{bmatrix}
0&1\
1&0
end{bmatrix}
$$
and $z=(x,y)^top$. Hence you need to calculate
$$
e^{tA}
$$
and see the result.
Addition.
There are different methods to calculate $e^{tA}$, but here I can use simply the defintion
$$
e^{tA}=I+tA+frac{t^2}{2!}A^2+ldots
$$
Simply by noting that $A^2=I$ I find
$$
e^{tA}=begin{bmatrix}
1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots& t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots\
t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots&1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots
end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
cosh t&sinh t\
sinh t&cosh t
end{bmatrix},
$$
where, as usual,
$$
cosh t=frac{e^t+e^{-t}}{2},quad sinh t=frac{e^t-e^{-t}}{2}.
$$
Now you can see you flow by multiplying $e^{tA}$ by the vector of initial conditions.
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
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Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
1
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@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
1
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Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
1
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See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
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Another way to see this result without needing to use the exponential map is the following:
For $Y = xfrac{partial}{partial y} + yfrac{partial}{ partial x}$ we obtain the differential equations $x'(t) = y$ and $y'(t) = x$. We note that differentiating either of the equations gives us that $y''(t)=y(t)$ and similarly for $x(t)$. We know that the general solution to each of these equations is $y(t)= d_1e^t +d_2e^{-t}$ and $x(t) = c_1e^t +c_2e^{-t}$. Now our global flow must satisfy $x(0)=y$ and $y(0)=x$, and thus we impose the conditions that $c_1 +c_2 =y$ and $d_1+d_2 =x$. Now given that $x'(t) = y(t)$ we have the following relationship between coefficients: $c_1=d_1$ and $c_2 =-d_2$. Plugging these in to the system of equations above and solving for $c_1$ and $c_2$ we obtain that $c_1 = frac{x+y}{2}$, and $c_2 = frac{y-x}{2}$. Thus our flow becomes $theta_t(x, y) = (frac{x+y}{2}e^t + frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t}, frac{x+y}{2}e^t-frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t})$.
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No, it is not a problem with definition.
Hint. The flow of the linear vector field $Az$ is given by its matrix exponent $e^{tA}z$. In your case
$$
A=begin{bmatrix}
0&1\
1&0
end{bmatrix}
$$
and $z=(x,y)^top$. Hence you need to calculate
$$
e^{tA}
$$
and see the result.
Addition.
There are different methods to calculate $e^{tA}$, but here I can use simply the defintion
$$
e^{tA}=I+tA+frac{t^2}{2!}A^2+ldots
$$
Simply by noting that $A^2=I$ I find
$$
e^{tA}=begin{bmatrix}
1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots& t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots\
t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots&1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots
end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
cosh t&sinh t\
sinh t&cosh t
end{bmatrix},
$$
where, as usual,
$$
cosh t=frac{e^t+e^{-t}}{2},quad sinh t=frac{e^t-e^{-t}}{2}.
$$
Now you can see you flow by multiplying $e^{tA}$ by the vector of initial conditions.
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
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Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
1
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@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
1
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Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
1
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See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
|
show 4 more comments
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No, it is not a problem with definition.
Hint. The flow of the linear vector field $Az$ is given by its matrix exponent $e^{tA}z$. In your case
$$
A=begin{bmatrix}
0&1\
1&0
end{bmatrix}
$$
and $z=(x,y)^top$. Hence you need to calculate
$$
e^{tA}
$$
and see the result.
Addition.
There are different methods to calculate $e^{tA}$, but here I can use simply the defintion
$$
e^{tA}=I+tA+frac{t^2}{2!}A^2+ldots
$$
Simply by noting that $A^2=I$ I find
$$
e^{tA}=begin{bmatrix}
1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots& t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots\
t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots&1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots
end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
cosh t&sinh t\
sinh t&cosh t
end{bmatrix},
$$
where, as usual,
$$
cosh t=frac{e^t+e^{-t}}{2},quad sinh t=frac{e^t-e^{-t}}{2}.
$$
Now you can see you flow by multiplying $e^{tA}$ by the vector of initial conditions.
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
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Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
1
$begingroup$
@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
1
$begingroup$
Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
1
$begingroup$
See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
|
show 4 more comments
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No, it is not a problem with definition.
Hint. The flow of the linear vector field $Az$ is given by its matrix exponent $e^{tA}z$. In your case
$$
A=begin{bmatrix}
0&1\
1&0
end{bmatrix}
$$
and $z=(x,y)^top$. Hence you need to calculate
$$
e^{tA}
$$
and see the result.
Addition.
There are different methods to calculate $e^{tA}$, but here I can use simply the defintion
$$
e^{tA}=I+tA+frac{t^2}{2!}A^2+ldots
$$
Simply by noting that $A^2=I$ I find
$$
e^{tA}=begin{bmatrix}
1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots& t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots\
t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots&1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots
end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
cosh t&sinh t\
sinh t&cosh t
end{bmatrix},
$$
where, as usual,
$$
cosh t=frac{e^t+e^{-t}}{2},quad sinh t=frac{e^t-e^{-t}}{2}.
$$
Now you can see you flow by multiplying $e^{tA}$ by the vector of initial conditions.
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No, it is not a problem with definition.
Hint. The flow of the linear vector field $Az$ is given by its matrix exponent $e^{tA}z$. In your case
$$
A=begin{bmatrix}
0&1\
1&0
end{bmatrix}
$$
and $z=(x,y)^top$. Hence you need to calculate
$$
e^{tA}
$$
and see the result.
Addition.
There are different methods to calculate $e^{tA}$, but here I can use simply the defintion
$$
e^{tA}=I+tA+frac{t^2}{2!}A^2+ldots
$$
Simply by noting that $A^2=I$ I find
$$
e^{tA}=begin{bmatrix}
1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots& t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots\
t+frac{t^3}{3!}+ldots&1+frac{t^2}{2!}+frac{t^4}{4!}+ldots
end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
cosh t&sinh t\
sinh t&cosh t
end{bmatrix},
$$
where, as usual,
$$
cosh t=frac{e^t+e^{-t}}{2},quad sinh t=frac{e^t-e^{-t}}{2}.
$$
Now you can see you flow by multiplying $e^{tA}$ by the vector of initial conditions.
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answered Dec 27 '14 at 21:13
ArtemArtem
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
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Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
1
$begingroup$
@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
1
$begingroup$
Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
1
$begingroup$
See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
|
show 4 more comments
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
$begingroup$
Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
1
$begingroup$
@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
1
$begingroup$
Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
1
$begingroup$
See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
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yes I remember reading that, thanks for the help, will give it another go
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– Sam Houston
Dec 27 '14 at 21:15
$begingroup$
Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
$begingroup$
Another hint to see where you are a little confused: not every solution to the system of ODE will give you the flow. Only those, where you can simply replace two arbitrary constants with two initial conditions.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:16
1
1
$begingroup$
@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
$begingroup$
@Dansmith I am not sure that I can give you an ultimate reference. The flows of linear constant coefficients vector fields are linear transformation groups defined simply by $e^{tA}$. There is not much to learn here. Try Arnold's ODE, if you can get through his deceivably easy-to-understand writings, you will learn the general theory of flows, transformation groups, and vector fieleds.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 21:24
1
1
$begingroup$
Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
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– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
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Did you hear about the matrix exponent?
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 22:37
1
1
$begingroup$
See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
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See the addition. If you cannot get through it, you should start with the book I advised you.
$endgroup$
– Artem
Dec 27 '14 at 23:14
|
show 4 more comments
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Another way to see this result without needing to use the exponential map is the following:
For $Y = xfrac{partial}{partial y} + yfrac{partial}{ partial x}$ we obtain the differential equations $x'(t) = y$ and $y'(t) = x$. We note that differentiating either of the equations gives us that $y''(t)=y(t)$ and similarly for $x(t)$. We know that the general solution to each of these equations is $y(t)= d_1e^t +d_2e^{-t}$ and $x(t) = c_1e^t +c_2e^{-t}$. Now our global flow must satisfy $x(0)=y$ and $y(0)=x$, and thus we impose the conditions that $c_1 +c_2 =y$ and $d_1+d_2 =x$. Now given that $x'(t) = y(t)$ we have the following relationship between coefficients: $c_1=d_1$ and $c_2 =-d_2$. Plugging these in to the system of equations above and solving for $c_1$ and $c_2$ we obtain that $c_1 = frac{x+y}{2}$, and $c_2 = frac{y-x}{2}$. Thus our flow becomes $theta_t(x, y) = (frac{x+y}{2}e^t + frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t}, frac{x+y}{2}e^t-frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t})$.
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Another way to see this result without needing to use the exponential map is the following:
For $Y = xfrac{partial}{partial y} + yfrac{partial}{ partial x}$ we obtain the differential equations $x'(t) = y$ and $y'(t) = x$. We note that differentiating either of the equations gives us that $y''(t)=y(t)$ and similarly for $x(t)$. We know that the general solution to each of these equations is $y(t)= d_1e^t +d_2e^{-t}$ and $x(t) = c_1e^t +c_2e^{-t}$. Now our global flow must satisfy $x(0)=y$ and $y(0)=x$, and thus we impose the conditions that $c_1 +c_2 =y$ and $d_1+d_2 =x$. Now given that $x'(t) = y(t)$ we have the following relationship between coefficients: $c_1=d_1$ and $c_2 =-d_2$. Plugging these in to the system of equations above and solving for $c_1$ and $c_2$ we obtain that $c_1 = frac{x+y}{2}$, and $c_2 = frac{y-x}{2}$. Thus our flow becomes $theta_t(x, y) = (frac{x+y}{2}e^t + frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t}, frac{x+y}{2}e^t-frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t})$.
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$begingroup$
Another way to see this result without needing to use the exponential map is the following:
For $Y = xfrac{partial}{partial y} + yfrac{partial}{ partial x}$ we obtain the differential equations $x'(t) = y$ and $y'(t) = x$. We note that differentiating either of the equations gives us that $y''(t)=y(t)$ and similarly for $x(t)$. We know that the general solution to each of these equations is $y(t)= d_1e^t +d_2e^{-t}$ and $x(t) = c_1e^t +c_2e^{-t}$. Now our global flow must satisfy $x(0)=y$ and $y(0)=x$, and thus we impose the conditions that $c_1 +c_2 =y$ and $d_1+d_2 =x$. Now given that $x'(t) = y(t)$ we have the following relationship between coefficients: $c_1=d_1$ and $c_2 =-d_2$. Plugging these in to the system of equations above and solving for $c_1$ and $c_2$ we obtain that $c_1 = frac{x+y}{2}$, and $c_2 = frac{y-x}{2}$. Thus our flow becomes $theta_t(x, y) = (frac{x+y}{2}e^t + frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t}, frac{x+y}{2}e^t-frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t})$.
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Another way to see this result without needing to use the exponential map is the following:
For $Y = xfrac{partial}{partial y} + yfrac{partial}{ partial x}$ we obtain the differential equations $x'(t) = y$ and $y'(t) = x$. We note that differentiating either of the equations gives us that $y''(t)=y(t)$ and similarly for $x(t)$. We know that the general solution to each of these equations is $y(t)= d_1e^t +d_2e^{-t}$ and $x(t) = c_1e^t +c_2e^{-t}$. Now our global flow must satisfy $x(0)=y$ and $y(0)=x$, and thus we impose the conditions that $c_1 +c_2 =y$ and $d_1+d_2 =x$. Now given that $x'(t) = y(t)$ we have the following relationship between coefficients: $c_1=d_1$ and $c_2 =-d_2$. Plugging these in to the system of equations above and solving for $c_1$ and $c_2$ we obtain that $c_1 = frac{x+y}{2}$, and $c_2 = frac{y-x}{2}$. Thus our flow becomes $theta_t(x, y) = (frac{x+y}{2}e^t + frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t}, frac{x+y}{2}e^t-frac{y-x}{2}e^{-t})$.
answered Nov 26 '18 at 4:43
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