Cross is not locally Euclidean in Tu Manifolds
Tu Manifolds Section 5.1
Definition of locally Euclidean of dimension n.
Example
Firstly, to show the cross is not locally Euclidean
- Is this the definition that a space $M$ is locally Euclidean of some dimension?
$exists n in mathbb N: forall p in M,$
$exists$ neighborhood $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$exists$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$exists$ a homeomorphism $varphi: U to V$
$ $
- Can we show the cross $M$ is not locally Euclidean of any dimension, by showing the following?
$forall n in mathbb N, exists p in M$ such that for all
$forall n in mathbb N: exists p in M$:
$forall$ neighborhoods $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$forall$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$forall$ maps $varphi: U to V$
$varphi$ is not a homeomorphism.
Next, what is the proof exactly? Here is my attempt.
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
For some reason, $V$ is an open ball namely $V=B(0,varepsilon)$.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. For some reason $varphi(p)=0$. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B(0,varepsilon) setminus 0$ is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
- Tu does not give equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean so far, so is this one ball is enough?
I checked the appendices, and I did not find any such convention that "open set in $mathbb R^n$" means element of basis of open balls.
Why is $V=B(0,varepsilon)$?
Why is $varphi(p)=0$?
Here is what I did instead. Is this correct?
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
Case 1: $V$ is an open ball, $V=B(x,varepsilon)$ for some $x in mathbb R^n$, not necessarily the origin.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B setminus varphi(p)$, where $varphi(p)$ is not necessarily $0$ or $x$, is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
Case 2: $V$ is an open set but not an open ball.
I don't know this! (See the next question)
How do we show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any open set $V$ in $mathbb R^n$?
$V$ is the union of basis elements, each of which are open balls and each of which are homeomorphic to a single open ball (because of what would be Part Two of this). I am now thinking about arcs or edges, so I know I am overthinking:
I think we can show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any $V$ if any space $Y$ which is the union of open subspaces ${A_{alpha}}$ and each $A_{alpha}$ of which is homeomorphic to a single space $X$, is itself homeomorphic to $X$, and I think that would be true by pasting lemma, but I don't know how to address the part where $f=g$ on the intersections.
Pasting lemma from Munkres:
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds differential-topology
add a comment |
Tu Manifolds Section 5.1
Definition of locally Euclidean of dimension n.
Example
Firstly, to show the cross is not locally Euclidean
- Is this the definition that a space $M$ is locally Euclidean of some dimension?
$exists n in mathbb N: forall p in M,$
$exists$ neighborhood $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$exists$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$exists$ a homeomorphism $varphi: U to V$
$ $
- Can we show the cross $M$ is not locally Euclidean of any dimension, by showing the following?
$forall n in mathbb N, exists p in M$ such that for all
$forall n in mathbb N: exists p in M$:
$forall$ neighborhoods $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$forall$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$forall$ maps $varphi: U to V$
$varphi$ is not a homeomorphism.
Next, what is the proof exactly? Here is my attempt.
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
For some reason, $V$ is an open ball namely $V=B(0,varepsilon)$.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. For some reason $varphi(p)=0$. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B(0,varepsilon) setminus 0$ is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
- Tu does not give equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean so far, so is this one ball is enough?
I checked the appendices, and I did not find any such convention that "open set in $mathbb R^n$" means element of basis of open balls.
Why is $V=B(0,varepsilon)$?
Why is $varphi(p)=0$?
Here is what I did instead. Is this correct?
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
Case 1: $V$ is an open ball, $V=B(x,varepsilon)$ for some $x in mathbb R^n$, not necessarily the origin.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B setminus varphi(p)$, where $varphi(p)$ is not necessarily $0$ or $x$, is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
Case 2: $V$ is an open set but not an open ball.
I don't know this! (See the next question)
How do we show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any open set $V$ in $mathbb R^n$?
$V$ is the union of basis elements, each of which are open balls and each of which are homeomorphic to a single open ball (because of what would be Part Two of this). I am now thinking about arcs or edges, so I know I am overthinking:
I think we can show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any $V$ if any space $Y$ which is the union of open subspaces ${A_{alpha}}$ and each $A_{alpha}$ of which is homeomorphic to a single space $X$, is itself homeomorphic to $X$, and I think that would be true by pasting lemma, but I don't know how to address the part where $f=g$ on the intersections.
Pasting lemma from Munkres:
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds differential-topology
add a comment |
Tu Manifolds Section 5.1
Definition of locally Euclidean of dimension n.
Example
Firstly, to show the cross is not locally Euclidean
- Is this the definition that a space $M$ is locally Euclidean of some dimension?
$exists n in mathbb N: forall p in M,$
$exists$ neighborhood $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$exists$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$exists$ a homeomorphism $varphi: U to V$
$ $
- Can we show the cross $M$ is not locally Euclidean of any dimension, by showing the following?
$forall n in mathbb N, exists p in M$ such that for all
$forall n in mathbb N: exists p in M$:
$forall$ neighborhoods $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$forall$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$forall$ maps $varphi: U to V$
$varphi$ is not a homeomorphism.
Next, what is the proof exactly? Here is my attempt.
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
For some reason, $V$ is an open ball namely $V=B(0,varepsilon)$.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. For some reason $varphi(p)=0$. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B(0,varepsilon) setminus 0$ is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
- Tu does not give equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean so far, so is this one ball is enough?
I checked the appendices, and I did not find any such convention that "open set in $mathbb R^n$" means element of basis of open balls.
Why is $V=B(0,varepsilon)$?
Why is $varphi(p)=0$?
Here is what I did instead. Is this correct?
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
Case 1: $V$ is an open ball, $V=B(x,varepsilon)$ for some $x in mathbb R^n$, not necessarily the origin.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B setminus varphi(p)$, where $varphi(p)$ is not necessarily $0$ or $x$, is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
Case 2: $V$ is an open set but not an open ball.
I don't know this! (See the next question)
How do we show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any open set $V$ in $mathbb R^n$?
$V$ is the union of basis elements, each of which are open balls and each of which are homeomorphic to a single open ball (because of what would be Part Two of this). I am now thinking about arcs or edges, so I know I am overthinking:
I think we can show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any $V$ if any space $Y$ which is the union of open subspaces ${A_{alpha}}$ and each $A_{alpha}$ of which is homeomorphic to a single space $X$, is itself homeomorphic to $X$, and I think that would be true by pasting lemma, but I don't know how to address the part where $f=g$ on the intersections.
Pasting lemma from Munkres:
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds differential-topology
Tu Manifolds Section 5.1
Definition of locally Euclidean of dimension n.
Example
Firstly, to show the cross is not locally Euclidean
- Is this the definition that a space $M$ is locally Euclidean of some dimension?
$exists n in mathbb N: forall p in M,$
$exists$ neighborhood $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$exists$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$exists$ a homeomorphism $varphi: U to V$
$ $
- Can we show the cross $M$ is not locally Euclidean of any dimension, by showing the following?
$forall n in mathbb N, exists p in M$ such that for all
$forall n in mathbb N: exists p in M$:
$forall$ neighborhoods $U$ of $p$ and in $M$,
$forall$ $V$ open in $mathbb R^n$
$forall$ maps $varphi: U to V$
$varphi$ is not a homeomorphism.
Next, what is the proof exactly? Here is my attempt.
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
For some reason, $V$ is an open ball namely $V=B(0,varepsilon)$.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. For some reason $varphi(p)=0$. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B(0,varepsilon) setminus 0$ is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
- Tu does not give equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean so far, so is this one ball is enough?
I checked the appendices, and I did not find any such convention that "open set in $mathbb R^n$" means element of basis of open balls.
Why is $V=B(0,varepsilon)$?
Why is $varphi(p)=0$?
Here is what I did instead. Is this correct?
Let $n in mathbb N$. Choose $p$ to be the intersection. Let $U$ be any neighborhood of $p$ in $M$.
Case 1: $V$ is an open ball, $V=B(x,varepsilon)$ for some $x in mathbb R^n$, not necessarily the origin.
Let $varphi: U to V$ be a map. If $varphi$ were a homeomorphism, then $varphi_R: U setminus p to B setminus varphi(p)$, where $varphi(p)$ is not necessarily $0$ or $x$, is a homeomorphism too, but this is a contradiction because of the facts about components.
Case 2: $V$ is an open set but not an open ball.
I don't know this! (See the next question)
How do we show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any open set $V$ in $mathbb R^n$?
$V$ is the union of basis elements, each of which are open balls and each of which are homeomorphic to a single open ball (because of what would be Part Two of this). I am now thinking about arcs or edges, so I know I am overthinking:
I think we can show the cross is not locally Euclidean for any $V$ if any space $Y$ which is the union of open subspaces ${A_{alpha}}$ and each $A_{alpha}$ of which is homeomorphic to a single space $X$, is itself homeomorphic to $X$, and I think that would be true by pasting lemma, but I don't know how to address the part where $f=g$ on the intersections.
Pasting lemma from Munkres:
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds differential-topology
general-topology differential-geometry algebraic-topology manifolds differential-topology
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The definition of locally Euclidean is correct as Tu states it. Here's what happens with the main three doubts you have:
1) Why can we take $phi(p)=0$? By composing any homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$ with the translation $vmapsto v-phi(p)$ (which is a homeomorphism of $mathbb{R}^n$) gives us a new $phi$ with $phi(p)=0$.
2) Why can we take $phi: Vrightarrow U=B(0,epsilon)$? The definition is that exists an open neighborhood $U$ of $p$, an open subset $Wsubset mathbb{R}^n$ containing $0$ by the step above, and a homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$. The thing is that $W$ as open containing $0$, must contain a little ball $V$ centered at $0$. Now just rename $U=phi^{-1}(V)$ and you got the homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V=B(0,epsilon)$.
3) Why, in the case of the cross $C$, can we rule out the possibility that a neighborhood of $p$ in $C$ is homeomorphic to some open in $mathbb{R}^n$ with $ngeq 2$?
The thing is that in any topological manifold $M$, this $n$ is unique on each connected component of $M$. Otherwise, i.e if you had two $phi:Urightarrow Vsubset mathbb{R}^n$, $psi:Urightarrow Wsubset mathbb{R}^m$ homeomorphisms with $mneq n$, then you'd have that $psicircphi^{-1}: Vrightarrow W$ is a homeomorphism between open subsets of two different Euclidean spaces. This cannot be, due to a theorem called Invariance of Domain. For this part just check Spivak's A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry, Vol 1, Ch. 1.
Now with this in mind, it's clear that if our cross $C$ is locally Euclidean at $p$ (the intersection point), it's $n$ will have to be one. To see this, if the two lines crossing gives you trouble to conceal the $n$, just move a little away from $p$ on any of the lines, clearly this part is locally $mathbb{R}$. So the $n$ at p must also be one since the cross has just one component.
Now Tu's argument is clearer.
Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
1
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
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The definition of locally Euclidean is fine.
Suppose a point $pin M$ has an open neighbourhood $U$ such that there exists an open set $VsubseteqBbb R^n$ and a homeomorphism $varphi:Uto V$. You may not necessarily have that
$V$ is an open ball centred at origin,i.e. $V=B(0,varepsilon)$
$varphi(p)$ is the origin, i.e. $varphi(p)=0$,
but you can construct a new function from $varphi$ satisfying the above two properties.
First, given a fixed vector $vinBbb R^n$, the map $Bbb R^ntoBbb R^n, xmapsto x+v$ is a homeomorphism (and, it still is a homeomorphism upon restricting the domain and codomain properly). In particular, choose $v=-varphi(p)$ and the map $Vto V-varphi(p), xmapsto x-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism. The map $f:Uto V-varphi(p), f(x):=varphi(x)-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism from an open neighbourhood of $p$ to an open set of $Bbb R^n$, with the property that $p$ is sent to the origin $0$.
Second, restrict the domain and codomain of $f$ properly. The codomain is restricted to an open ball $B(0,varepsilon)$ while the domain is restricted to its preimage $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$. The map $f:f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))to B(0,varepsilon)$ is a homeomorphism between the two sets. What you may want to prove is that $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$ is an open neighbourhood of $p$.
So, my comment to your attempt, is that you don't need to prove case 2 at all, if you have proved for case 1 already.
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The definition of locally Euclidean is correct as Tu states it. Here's what happens with the main three doubts you have:
1) Why can we take $phi(p)=0$? By composing any homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$ with the translation $vmapsto v-phi(p)$ (which is a homeomorphism of $mathbb{R}^n$) gives us a new $phi$ with $phi(p)=0$.
2) Why can we take $phi: Vrightarrow U=B(0,epsilon)$? The definition is that exists an open neighborhood $U$ of $p$, an open subset $Wsubset mathbb{R}^n$ containing $0$ by the step above, and a homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$. The thing is that $W$ as open containing $0$, must contain a little ball $V$ centered at $0$. Now just rename $U=phi^{-1}(V)$ and you got the homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V=B(0,epsilon)$.
3) Why, in the case of the cross $C$, can we rule out the possibility that a neighborhood of $p$ in $C$ is homeomorphic to some open in $mathbb{R}^n$ with $ngeq 2$?
The thing is that in any topological manifold $M$, this $n$ is unique on each connected component of $M$. Otherwise, i.e if you had two $phi:Urightarrow Vsubset mathbb{R}^n$, $psi:Urightarrow Wsubset mathbb{R}^m$ homeomorphisms with $mneq n$, then you'd have that $psicircphi^{-1}: Vrightarrow W$ is a homeomorphism between open subsets of two different Euclidean spaces. This cannot be, due to a theorem called Invariance of Domain. For this part just check Spivak's A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry, Vol 1, Ch. 1.
Now with this in mind, it's clear that if our cross $C$ is locally Euclidean at $p$ (the intersection point), it's $n$ will have to be one. To see this, if the two lines crossing gives you trouble to conceal the $n$, just move a little away from $p$ on any of the lines, clearly this part is locally $mathbb{R}$. So the $n$ at p must also be one since the cross has just one component.
Now Tu's argument is clearer.
Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
1
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
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The definition of locally Euclidean is correct as Tu states it. Here's what happens with the main three doubts you have:
1) Why can we take $phi(p)=0$? By composing any homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$ with the translation $vmapsto v-phi(p)$ (which is a homeomorphism of $mathbb{R}^n$) gives us a new $phi$ with $phi(p)=0$.
2) Why can we take $phi: Vrightarrow U=B(0,epsilon)$? The definition is that exists an open neighborhood $U$ of $p$, an open subset $Wsubset mathbb{R}^n$ containing $0$ by the step above, and a homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$. The thing is that $W$ as open containing $0$, must contain a little ball $V$ centered at $0$. Now just rename $U=phi^{-1}(V)$ and you got the homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V=B(0,epsilon)$.
3) Why, in the case of the cross $C$, can we rule out the possibility that a neighborhood of $p$ in $C$ is homeomorphic to some open in $mathbb{R}^n$ with $ngeq 2$?
The thing is that in any topological manifold $M$, this $n$ is unique on each connected component of $M$. Otherwise, i.e if you had two $phi:Urightarrow Vsubset mathbb{R}^n$, $psi:Urightarrow Wsubset mathbb{R}^m$ homeomorphisms with $mneq n$, then you'd have that $psicircphi^{-1}: Vrightarrow W$ is a homeomorphism between open subsets of two different Euclidean spaces. This cannot be, due to a theorem called Invariance of Domain. For this part just check Spivak's A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry, Vol 1, Ch. 1.
Now with this in mind, it's clear that if our cross $C$ is locally Euclidean at $p$ (the intersection point), it's $n$ will have to be one. To see this, if the two lines crossing gives you trouble to conceal the $n$, just move a little away from $p$ on any of the lines, clearly this part is locally $mathbb{R}$. So the $n$ at p must also be one since the cross has just one component.
Now Tu's argument is clearer.
Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
1
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
add a comment |
The definition of locally Euclidean is correct as Tu states it. Here's what happens with the main three doubts you have:
1) Why can we take $phi(p)=0$? By composing any homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$ with the translation $vmapsto v-phi(p)$ (which is a homeomorphism of $mathbb{R}^n$) gives us a new $phi$ with $phi(p)=0$.
2) Why can we take $phi: Vrightarrow U=B(0,epsilon)$? The definition is that exists an open neighborhood $U$ of $p$, an open subset $Wsubset mathbb{R}^n$ containing $0$ by the step above, and a homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$. The thing is that $W$ as open containing $0$, must contain a little ball $V$ centered at $0$. Now just rename $U=phi^{-1}(V)$ and you got the homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V=B(0,epsilon)$.
3) Why, in the case of the cross $C$, can we rule out the possibility that a neighborhood of $p$ in $C$ is homeomorphic to some open in $mathbb{R}^n$ with $ngeq 2$?
The thing is that in any topological manifold $M$, this $n$ is unique on each connected component of $M$. Otherwise, i.e if you had two $phi:Urightarrow Vsubset mathbb{R}^n$, $psi:Urightarrow Wsubset mathbb{R}^m$ homeomorphisms with $mneq n$, then you'd have that $psicircphi^{-1}: Vrightarrow W$ is a homeomorphism between open subsets of two different Euclidean spaces. This cannot be, due to a theorem called Invariance of Domain. For this part just check Spivak's A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry, Vol 1, Ch. 1.
Now with this in mind, it's clear that if our cross $C$ is locally Euclidean at $p$ (the intersection point), it's $n$ will have to be one. To see this, if the two lines crossing gives you trouble to conceal the $n$, just move a little away from $p$ on any of the lines, clearly this part is locally $mathbb{R}$. So the $n$ at p must also be one since the cross has just one component.
Now Tu's argument is clearer.
The definition of locally Euclidean is correct as Tu states it. Here's what happens with the main three doubts you have:
1) Why can we take $phi(p)=0$? By composing any homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$ with the translation $vmapsto v-phi(p)$ (which is a homeomorphism of $mathbb{R}^n$) gives us a new $phi$ with $phi(p)=0$.
2) Why can we take $phi: Vrightarrow U=B(0,epsilon)$? The definition is that exists an open neighborhood $U$ of $p$, an open subset $Wsubset mathbb{R}^n$ containing $0$ by the step above, and a homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V$. The thing is that $W$ as open containing $0$, must contain a little ball $V$ centered at $0$. Now just rename $U=phi^{-1}(V)$ and you got the homeomorphism $phi: Urightarrow V=B(0,epsilon)$.
3) Why, in the case of the cross $C$, can we rule out the possibility that a neighborhood of $p$ in $C$ is homeomorphic to some open in $mathbb{R}^n$ with $ngeq 2$?
The thing is that in any topological manifold $M$, this $n$ is unique on each connected component of $M$. Otherwise, i.e if you had two $phi:Urightarrow Vsubset mathbb{R}^n$, $psi:Urightarrow Wsubset mathbb{R}^m$ homeomorphisms with $mneq n$, then you'd have that $psicircphi^{-1}: Vrightarrow W$ is a homeomorphism between open subsets of two different Euclidean spaces. This cannot be, due to a theorem called Invariance of Domain. For this part just check Spivak's A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry, Vol 1, Ch. 1.
Now with this in mind, it's clear that if our cross $C$ is locally Euclidean at $p$ (the intersection point), it's $n$ will have to be one. To see this, if the two lines crossing gives you trouble to conceal the $n$, just move a little away from $p$ on any of the lines, clearly this part is locally $mathbb{R}$. So the $n$ at p must also be one since the cross has just one component.
Now Tu's argument is clearer.
answered Nov 22 '18 at 4:30
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Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
1
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
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Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
1
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
Thank you Laz. I think I was not clear with my third "doubt". My third doubt is (5), which is case 2 of the proof in (4). I want to extend the case for open balls to open sets. I will have a think about what you wrote for my other doubts later. Finally, is my definition or its negation incorrect?
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 4:46
1
1
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
You are on the right track! Case 1) you proved it correctly using the conectedness argument. Now in the case two which gives you trouble, observe that $V$ may not be a ball, but as an open subset of $mathbb{R}^n$ which topology has a basis whose elements are all the open balls of any radius, it mus contain a ball! Then use the argument I gave in my answer in 2) and you're back in case 1), which you already proved. So both cases can be reduced to 1).
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 4:58
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
As for the equivalent definitions of locally Euclidean, another definition is to ask the $V$ to be all of $mathbb{R}^n$ (e.g Spivak explains this) or, equivalently, to an open ball. The thing is that $mathbb{R}^n$ and the open ball $B(0_{mathbb{R}^n},1)$ in $mathbb{R}^n$ are homeomorphic (dipheomorphic), via the map $xmapsto frac{x}{sqrt{1-|x|^2}}$, from the ball the the whole space.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:03
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Sorry, I meant "diffeomorphic", just a typo.
– Laz
Nov 22 '18 at 5:09
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
Thank you Laz! I will read later.
– user198044
Nov 22 '18 at 5:43
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The definition of locally Euclidean is fine.
Suppose a point $pin M$ has an open neighbourhood $U$ such that there exists an open set $VsubseteqBbb R^n$ and a homeomorphism $varphi:Uto V$. You may not necessarily have that
$V$ is an open ball centred at origin,i.e. $V=B(0,varepsilon)$
$varphi(p)$ is the origin, i.e. $varphi(p)=0$,
but you can construct a new function from $varphi$ satisfying the above two properties.
First, given a fixed vector $vinBbb R^n$, the map $Bbb R^ntoBbb R^n, xmapsto x+v$ is a homeomorphism (and, it still is a homeomorphism upon restricting the domain and codomain properly). In particular, choose $v=-varphi(p)$ and the map $Vto V-varphi(p), xmapsto x-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism. The map $f:Uto V-varphi(p), f(x):=varphi(x)-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism from an open neighbourhood of $p$ to an open set of $Bbb R^n$, with the property that $p$ is sent to the origin $0$.
Second, restrict the domain and codomain of $f$ properly. The codomain is restricted to an open ball $B(0,varepsilon)$ while the domain is restricted to its preimage $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$. The map $f:f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))to B(0,varepsilon)$ is a homeomorphism between the two sets. What you may want to prove is that $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$ is an open neighbourhood of $p$.
So, my comment to your attempt, is that you don't need to prove case 2 at all, if you have proved for case 1 already.
add a comment |
The definition of locally Euclidean is fine.
Suppose a point $pin M$ has an open neighbourhood $U$ such that there exists an open set $VsubseteqBbb R^n$ and a homeomorphism $varphi:Uto V$. You may not necessarily have that
$V$ is an open ball centred at origin,i.e. $V=B(0,varepsilon)$
$varphi(p)$ is the origin, i.e. $varphi(p)=0$,
but you can construct a new function from $varphi$ satisfying the above two properties.
First, given a fixed vector $vinBbb R^n$, the map $Bbb R^ntoBbb R^n, xmapsto x+v$ is a homeomorphism (and, it still is a homeomorphism upon restricting the domain and codomain properly). In particular, choose $v=-varphi(p)$ and the map $Vto V-varphi(p), xmapsto x-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism. The map $f:Uto V-varphi(p), f(x):=varphi(x)-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism from an open neighbourhood of $p$ to an open set of $Bbb R^n$, with the property that $p$ is sent to the origin $0$.
Second, restrict the domain and codomain of $f$ properly. The codomain is restricted to an open ball $B(0,varepsilon)$ while the domain is restricted to its preimage $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$. The map $f:f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))to B(0,varepsilon)$ is a homeomorphism between the two sets. What you may want to prove is that $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$ is an open neighbourhood of $p$.
So, my comment to your attempt, is that you don't need to prove case 2 at all, if you have proved for case 1 already.
add a comment |
The definition of locally Euclidean is fine.
Suppose a point $pin M$ has an open neighbourhood $U$ such that there exists an open set $VsubseteqBbb R^n$ and a homeomorphism $varphi:Uto V$. You may not necessarily have that
$V$ is an open ball centred at origin,i.e. $V=B(0,varepsilon)$
$varphi(p)$ is the origin, i.e. $varphi(p)=0$,
but you can construct a new function from $varphi$ satisfying the above two properties.
First, given a fixed vector $vinBbb R^n$, the map $Bbb R^ntoBbb R^n, xmapsto x+v$ is a homeomorphism (and, it still is a homeomorphism upon restricting the domain and codomain properly). In particular, choose $v=-varphi(p)$ and the map $Vto V-varphi(p), xmapsto x-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism. The map $f:Uto V-varphi(p), f(x):=varphi(x)-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism from an open neighbourhood of $p$ to an open set of $Bbb R^n$, with the property that $p$ is sent to the origin $0$.
Second, restrict the domain and codomain of $f$ properly. The codomain is restricted to an open ball $B(0,varepsilon)$ while the domain is restricted to its preimage $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$. The map $f:f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))to B(0,varepsilon)$ is a homeomorphism between the two sets. What you may want to prove is that $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$ is an open neighbourhood of $p$.
So, my comment to your attempt, is that you don't need to prove case 2 at all, if you have proved for case 1 already.
The definition of locally Euclidean is fine.
Suppose a point $pin M$ has an open neighbourhood $U$ such that there exists an open set $VsubseteqBbb R^n$ and a homeomorphism $varphi:Uto V$. You may not necessarily have that
$V$ is an open ball centred at origin,i.e. $V=B(0,varepsilon)$
$varphi(p)$ is the origin, i.e. $varphi(p)=0$,
but you can construct a new function from $varphi$ satisfying the above two properties.
First, given a fixed vector $vinBbb R^n$, the map $Bbb R^ntoBbb R^n, xmapsto x+v$ is a homeomorphism (and, it still is a homeomorphism upon restricting the domain and codomain properly). In particular, choose $v=-varphi(p)$ and the map $Vto V-varphi(p), xmapsto x-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism. The map $f:Uto V-varphi(p), f(x):=varphi(x)-varphi(p)$, is a homeomorphism from an open neighbourhood of $p$ to an open set of $Bbb R^n$, with the property that $p$ is sent to the origin $0$.
Second, restrict the domain and codomain of $f$ properly. The codomain is restricted to an open ball $B(0,varepsilon)$ while the domain is restricted to its preimage $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$. The map $f:f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))to B(0,varepsilon)$ is a homeomorphism between the two sets. What you may want to prove is that $f^{-1}(B(0,varepsilon))$ is an open neighbourhood of $p$.
So, my comment to your attempt, is that you don't need to prove case 2 at all, if you have proved for case 1 already.
answered Nov 22 '18 at 7:31
edm
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