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Define $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$. Show that $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$ with $f(a)=f(b)=0$ makes $fequiv 0$ $forall xin [a,b]$.



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We can prove a general conclusion:if $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$ where $g(x) in C^{0}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $g(x)>0$, and $f(a)=f(b)=0$, we have $fequiv 0$ $forall x in [a,b]$.



The idea is to prove that if there exists $x_0in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_0)ne0$ (let's assume that $f(x_0)>0$), we can prove that there exists $x_1in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_1)>0$, $f'(x_1)>0$ and $f''(x_1)>0$. And through this conclusion we can easily get that $f(x)$ will be strictly monotonically increasing in the interval $left[x_1,bright]$.




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  1. Is there any other solution of this problem?


  2. Can we solve this differential equation problem?










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    Define $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$. Show that $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$ with $f(a)=f(b)=0$ makes $fequiv 0$ $forall xin [a,b]$.



    Actually, I figure out a solution as follows:
    (just taking about the idea)




    We can prove a general conclusion:if $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$ where $g(x) in C^{0}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $g(x)>0$, and $f(a)=f(b)=0$, we have $fequiv 0$ $forall x in [a,b]$.



    The idea is to prove that if there exists $x_0in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_0)ne0$ (let's assume that $f(x_0)>0$), we can prove that there exists $x_1in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_1)>0$, $f'(x_1)>0$ and $f''(x_1)>0$. And through this conclusion we can easily get that $f(x)$ will be strictly monotonically increasing in the interval $left[x_1,bright]$.




    So my questions are:




    1. Is there any other solution of this problem?


    2. Can we solve this differential equation problem?










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      Define $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$. Show that $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$ with $f(a)=f(b)=0$ makes $fequiv 0$ $forall xin [a,b]$.



      Actually, I figure out a solution as follows:
      (just taking about the idea)




      We can prove a general conclusion:if $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$ where $g(x) in C^{0}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $g(x)>0$, and $f(a)=f(b)=0$, we have $fequiv 0$ $forall x in [a,b]$.



      The idea is to prove that if there exists $x_0in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_0)ne0$ (let's assume that $f(x_0)>0$), we can prove that there exists $x_1in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_1)>0$, $f'(x_1)>0$ and $f''(x_1)>0$. And through this conclusion we can easily get that $f(x)$ will be strictly monotonically increasing in the interval $left[x_1,bright]$.




      So my questions are:




      1. Is there any other solution of this problem?


      2. Can we solve this differential equation problem?










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      Define $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$. Show that $f''(x)=e^xf(x)$ with $f(a)=f(b)=0$ makes $fequiv 0$ $forall xin [a,b]$.



      Actually, I figure out a solution as follows:
      (just taking about the idea)




      We can prove a general conclusion:if $f in C^{2}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$ where $g(x) in C^{0}left[a,bright]$ satisfying $g(x)>0$, and $f(a)=f(b)=0$, we have $fequiv 0$ $forall x in [a,b]$.



      The idea is to prove that if there exists $x_0in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_0)ne0$ (let's assume that $f(x_0)>0$), we can prove that there exists $x_1in (a,b)$ such that $f(x_1)>0$, $f'(x_1)>0$ and $f''(x_1)>0$. And through this conclusion we can easily get that $f(x)$ will be strictly monotonically increasing in the interval $left[x_1,bright]$.




      So my questions are:




      1. Is there any other solution of this problem?


      2. Can we solve this differential equation problem?







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          Assume that $f$ is not identically zero on the interval, without loss of generality
          $f(x_0) > 0$ for some $x_0 in (a, b)$. Then $f$ attains its maximum $M>0$ at
          some point $x_1 in (a, b)$. At the maximum we necessarily have
          $$
          f'(x_1) = 0 , , quad f''(x_1) le 0 , ,
          $$

          which is a contradiction to the assumption that
          $$
          f''(x_1) = e^{x_1} f(x_1) = e^{x_1} M > 0 , .
          $$



          The same solution works with the more general assumption that $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$
          with a strictly positive function $g$.






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            We can actually find a closed-form solution, sort of. Let $y = 2 e^{x/2}$. Then we have
            $$
            frac{df}{dx} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{df}{dy} = e^{x/2} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy}
            $$

            and
            $$
            frac{d^2f}{dx^2} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{df}{dx} right) = frac{y}{2} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy} right) = frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy}.
            $$

            The differential equation then becomes
            $$
            frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y^2}{4} f,
            $$

            or
            $$
            y^2 f'' + y f' - y^2 f = 0
            $$

            which is a modified Bessel ODE with $n = 0$. The general solution is therefore
            $$
            f(y) = A I_0(y) + B K_0(y),
            $$

            or
            $$
            f(x) = A I_0(2 e^{x/2}) + B K_0(2 e^{x/2}),
            $$

            where $I_0$ and $K_0$ are the modified Bessel functions.



            To show that the function $f(x)$ cannot vanish at two points, we note that $I_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly increasing while $K_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly decreasing, and that both functions are strictly positive everywhere. If the function $f(x)$ vanishes at one point, it must therefore be the case that either $A$ and $B$ both vanish, or that they are of opposite sign but non-zero. But if they are of opposite sign and non-zero, this means that the combined function $f(x)$ is either strictly increasing or strictly decreasing, and thus cannot vanish anywhere else. Thus, if the $f(x)$ vanishes at two points, it is zero everywhere.



            Disclaimer: I wouldn't have come up with the above "closed-form" solution on my own; I ran the differential equation through Mathematica, saw the result, and reverse-engineered the solution.






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              If there is some $x_0$ with $f(x)>0$ then there is also some $x_1$ with $f(x_1)=max_{xin[a,b]}f(x)$. Because $f$ is differentiable, $f'(x_1)=0$. But then also $f''(x_1)=g(x_1)f(x_1)>0$ so that locally $f(x_1+s)=f(x_1)+frac12f''(x_1)s^2+o(s^2)$, which provides values larger than $f(x_1)$, for instance using $f(x_1+s)ge f(x_1)+frac14f''(x_1)s^2$ for $|s|<delta$ for some small $δ>0$, in contradiction to the construction. Thus the first assumption is wrong, there is no such $x_0$.



              Then repeat the same argument for $-f(x)$ to find that only $f=0$ remains.






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                Assume that $f$ is not identically zero on the interval, without loss of generality
                $f(x_0) > 0$ for some $x_0 in (a, b)$. Then $f$ attains its maximum $M>0$ at
                some point $x_1 in (a, b)$. At the maximum we necessarily have
                $$
                f'(x_1) = 0 , , quad f''(x_1) le 0 , ,
                $$

                which is a contradiction to the assumption that
                $$
                f''(x_1) = e^{x_1} f(x_1) = e^{x_1} M > 0 , .
                $$



                The same solution works with the more general assumption that $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$
                with a strictly positive function $g$.






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                  Assume that $f$ is not identically zero on the interval, without loss of generality
                  $f(x_0) > 0$ for some $x_0 in (a, b)$. Then $f$ attains its maximum $M>0$ at
                  some point $x_1 in (a, b)$. At the maximum we necessarily have
                  $$
                  f'(x_1) = 0 , , quad f''(x_1) le 0 , ,
                  $$

                  which is a contradiction to the assumption that
                  $$
                  f''(x_1) = e^{x_1} f(x_1) = e^{x_1} M > 0 , .
                  $$



                  The same solution works with the more general assumption that $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$
                  with a strictly positive function $g$.






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                    Assume that $f$ is not identically zero on the interval, without loss of generality
                    $f(x_0) > 0$ for some $x_0 in (a, b)$. Then $f$ attains its maximum $M>0$ at
                    some point $x_1 in (a, b)$. At the maximum we necessarily have
                    $$
                    f'(x_1) = 0 , , quad f''(x_1) le 0 , ,
                    $$

                    which is a contradiction to the assumption that
                    $$
                    f''(x_1) = e^{x_1} f(x_1) = e^{x_1} M > 0 , .
                    $$



                    The same solution works with the more general assumption that $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$
                    with a strictly positive function $g$.






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                    Assume that $f$ is not identically zero on the interval, without loss of generality
                    $f(x_0) > 0$ for some $x_0 in (a, b)$. Then $f$ attains its maximum $M>0$ at
                    some point $x_1 in (a, b)$. At the maximum we necessarily have
                    $$
                    f'(x_1) = 0 , , quad f''(x_1) le 0 , ,
                    $$

                    which is a contradiction to the assumption that
                    $$
                    f''(x_1) = e^{x_1} f(x_1) = e^{x_1} M > 0 , .
                    $$



                    The same solution works with the more general assumption that $f''(x)=g(x)f(x)$
                    with a strictly positive function $g$.







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                        We can actually find a closed-form solution, sort of. Let $y = 2 e^{x/2}$. Then we have
                        $$
                        frac{df}{dx} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{df}{dy} = e^{x/2} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy}
                        $$

                        and
                        $$
                        frac{d^2f}{dx^2} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{df}{dx} right) = frac{y}{2} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy} right) = frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy}.
                        $$

                        The differential equation then becomes
                        $$
                        frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y^2}{4} f,
                        $$

                        or
                        $$
                        y^2 f'' + y f' - y^2 f = 0
                        $$

                        which is a modified Bessel ODE with $n = 0$. The general solution is therefore
                        $$
                        f(y) = A I_0(y) + B K_0(y),
                        $$

                        or
                        $$
                        f(x) = A I_0(2 e^{x/2}) + B K_0(2 e^{x/2}),
                        $$

                        where $I_0$ and $K_0$ are the modified Bessel functions.



                        To show that the function $f(x)$ cannot vanish at two points, we note that $I_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly increasing while $K_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly decreasing, and that both functions are strictly positive everywhere. If the function $f(x)$ vanishes at one point, it must therefore be the case that either $A$ and $B$ both vanish, or that they are of opposite sign but non-zero. But if they are of opposite sign and non-zero, this means that the combined function $f(x)$ is either strictly increasing or strictly decreasing, and thus cannot vanish anywhere else. Thus, if the $f(x)$ vanishes at two points, it is zero everywhere.



                        Disclaimer: I wouldn't have come up with the above "closed-form" solution on my own; I ran the differential equation through Mathematica, saw the result, and reverse-engineered the solution.






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                          We can actually find a closed-form solution, sort of. Let $y = 2 e^{x/2}$. Then we have
                          $$
                          frac{df}{dx} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{df}{dy} = e^{x/2} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy}
                          $$

                          and
                          $$
                          frac{d^2f}{dx^2} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{df}{dx} right) = frac{y}{2} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy} right) = frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy}.
                          $$

                          The differential equation then becomes
                          $$
                          frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y^2}{4} f,
                          $$

                          or
                          $$
                          y^2 f'' + y f' - y^2 f = 0
                          $$

                          which is a modified Bessel ODE with $n = 0$. The general solution is therefore
                          $$
                          f(y) = A I_0(y) + B K_0(y),
                          $$

                          or
                          $$
                          f(x) = A I_0(2 e^{x/2}) + B K_0(2 e^{x/2}),
                          $$

                          where $I_0$ and $K_0$ are the modified Bessel functions.



                          To show that the function $f(x)$ cannot vanish at two points, we note that $I_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly increasing while $K_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly decreasing, and that both functions are strictly positive everywhere. If the function $f(x)$ vanishes at one point, it must therefore be the case that either $A$ and $B$ both vanish, or that they are of opposite sign but non-zero. But if they are of opposite sign and non-zero, this means that the combined function $f(x)$ is either strictly increasing or strictly decreasing, and thus cannot vanish anywhere else. Thus, if the $f(x)$ vanishes at two points, it is zero everywhere.



                          Disclaimer: I wouldn't have come up with the above "closed-form" solution on my own; I ran the differential equation through Mathematica, saw the result, and reverse-engineered the solution.






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                            We can actually find a closed-form solution, sort of. Let $y = 2 e^{x/2}$. Then we have
                            $$
                            frac{df}{dx} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{df}{dy} = e^{x/2} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy}
                            $$

                            and
                            $$
                            frac{d^2f}{dx^2} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{df}{dx} right) = frac{y}{2} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy} right) = frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy}.
                            $$

                            The differential equation then becomes
                            $$
                            frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y^2}{4} f,
                            $$

                            or
                            $$
                            y^2 f'' + y f' - y^2 f = 0
                            $$

                            which is a modified Bessel ODE with $n = 0$. The general solution is therefore
                            $$
                            f(y) = A I_0(y) + B K_0(y),
                            $$

                            or
                            $$
                            f(x) = A I_0(2 e^{x/2}) + B K_0(2 e^{x/2}),
                            $$

                            where $I_0$ and $K_0$ are the modified Bessel functions.



                            To show that the function $f(x)$ cannot vanish at two points, we note that $I_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly increasing while $K_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly decreasing, and that both functions are strictly positive everywhere. If the function $f(x)$ vanishes at one point, it must therefore be the case that either $A$ and $B$ both vanish, or that they are of opposite sign but non-zero. But if they are of opposite sign and non-zero, this means that the combined function $f(x)$ is either strictly increasing or strictly decreasing, and thus cannot vanish anywhere else. Thus, if the $f(x)$ vanishes at two points, it is zero everywhere.



                            Disclaimer: I wouldn't have come up with the above "closed-form" solution on my own; I ran the differential equation through Mathematica, saw the result, and reverse-engineered the solution.






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                            We can actually find a closed-form solution, sort of. Let $y = 2 e^{x/2}$. Then we have
                            $$
                            frac{df}{dx} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{df}{dy} = e^{x/2} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy}
                            $$

                            and
                            $$
                            frac{d^2f}{dx^2} = frac{dy}{dx} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{df}{dx} right) = frac{y}{2} frac{d}{dy} left( frac{y}{2} frac{df}{dy} right) = frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy}.
                            $$

                            The differential equation then becomes
                            $$
                            frac{y^2}{4} frac{d^2f}{dy^2} + frac{y}{4} frac{df}{dy} = frac{y^2}{4} f,
                            $$

                            or
                            $$
                            y^2 f'' + y f' - y^2 f = 0
                            $$

                            which is a modified Bessel ODE with $n = 0$. The general solution is therefore
                            $$
                            f(y) = A I_0(y) + B K_0(y),
                            $$

                            or
                            $$
                            f(x) = A I_0(2 e^{x/2}) + B K_0(2 e^{x/2}),
                            $$

                            where $I_0$ and $K_0$ are the modified Bessel functions.



                            To show that the function $f(x)$ cannot vanish at two points, we note that $I_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly increasing while $K_0(2e^{x/2})$ is strictly decreasing, and that both functions are strictly positive everywhere. If the function $f(x)$ vanishes at one point, it must therefore be the case that either $A$ and $B$ both vanish, or that they are of opposite sign but non-zero. But if they are of opposite sign and non-zero, this means that the combined function $f(x)$ is either strictly increasing or strictly decreasing, and thus cannot vanish anywhere else. Thus, if the $f(x)$ vanishes at two points, it is zero everywhere.



                            Disclaimer: I wouldn't have come up with the above "closed-form" solution on my own; I ran the differential equation through Mathematica, saw the result, and reverse-engineered the solution.







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                                If there is some $x_0$ with $f(x)>0$ then there is also some $x_1$ with $f(x_1)=max_{xin[a,b]}f(x)$. Because $f$ is differentiable, $f'(x_1)=0$. But then also $f''(x_1)=g(x_1)f(x_1)>0$ so that locally $f(x_1+s)=f(x_1)+frac12f''(x_1)s^2+o(s^2)$, which provides values larger than $f(x_1)$, for instance using $f(x_1+s)ge f(x_1)+frac14f''(x_1)s^2$ for $|s|<delta$ for some small $δ>0$, in contradiction to the construction. Thus the first assumption is wrong, there is no such $x_0$.



                                Then repeat the same argument for $-f(x)$ to find that only $f=0$ remains.






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                                  If there is some $x_0$ with $f(x)>0$ then there is also some $x_1$ with $f(x_1)=max_{xin[a,b]}f(x)$. Because $f$ is differentiable, $f'(x_1)=0$. But then also $f''(x_1)=g(x_1)f(x_1)>0$ so that locally $f(x_1+s)=f(x_1)+frac12f''(x_1)s^2+o(s^2)$, which provides values larger than $f(x_1)$, for instance using $f(x_1+s)ge f(x_1)+frac14f''(x_1)s^2$ for $|s|<delta$ for some small $δ>0$, in contradiction to the construction. Thus the first assumption is wrong, there is no such $x_0$.



                                  Then repeat the same argument for $-f(x)$ to find that only $f=0$ remains.






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                                    If there is some $x_0$ with $f(x)>0$ then there is also some $x_1$ with $f(x_1)=max_{xin[a,b]}f(x)$. Because $f$ is differentiable, $f'(x_1)=0$. But then also $f''(x_1)=g(x_1)f(x_1)>0$ so that locally $f(x_1+s)=f(x_1)+frac12f''(x_1)s^2+o(s^2)$, which provides values larger than $f(x_1)$, for instance using $f(x_1+s)ge f(x_1)+frac14f''(x_1)s^2$ for $|s|<delta$ for some small $δ>0$, in contradiction to the construction. Thus the first assumption is wrong, there is no such $x_0$.



                                    Then repeat the same argument for $-f(x)$ to find that only $f=0$ remains.






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                                    If there is some $x_0$ with $f(x)>0$ then there is also some $x_1$ with $f(x_1)=max_{xin[a,b]}f(x)$. Because $f$ is differentiable, $f'(x_1)=0$. But then also $f''(x_1)=g(x_1)f(x_1)>0$ so that locally $f(x_1+s)=f(x_1)+frac12f''(x_1)s^2+o(s^2)$, which provides values larger than $f(x_1)$, for instance using $f(x_1+s)ge f(x_1)+frac14f''(x_1)s^2$ for $|s|<delta$ for some small $δ>0$, in contradiction to the construction. Thus the first assumption is wrong, there is no such $x_0$.



                                    Then repeat the same argument for $-f(x)$ to find that only $f=0$ remains.







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