Prove that here $BE×DF$ is fixed
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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$
4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$
Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.
geometry euclidean-geometry analytic-geometry quadrilateral
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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$
4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$
Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.
geometry euclidean-geometry analytic-geometry quadrilateral
@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37
Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11
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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$
4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$
Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.
geometry euclidean-geometry analytic-geometry quadrilateral
We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$
4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$
Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.
geometry euclidean-geometry analytic-geometry quadrilateral
geometry euclidean-geometry analytic-geometry quadrilateral
edited Nov 14 at 22:14
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@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37
Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11
add a comment |
@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37
Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11
@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37
@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37
Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11
Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11
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Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.
Swapping them back,
we can argue as follows . . .
Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.
Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.
Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.
Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.
but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
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active
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active
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active
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up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.
Swapping them back,
we can argue as follows . . .
Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.
Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.
Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.
Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.
Swapping them back,
we can argue as follows . . .
Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.
Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.
Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.
Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.
Swapping them back,
we can argue as follows . . .
Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.
Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.
Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.
Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.
Swapping them back,
we can argue as follows . . .
Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.
Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.
Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.
edited Nov 14 at 21:29
answered Nov 14 at 19:39
quasi
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Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
add a comment |
Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43
add a comment |
up vote
0
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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.
but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
|
show 4 more comments
up vote
0
down vote
This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.
but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
|
show 4 more comments
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0
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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.
This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.
answered Nov 14 at 19:44
greedoid
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but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
|
show 4 more comments
but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03
|
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@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37
Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11