If $f(4xy)=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)]$ and $f(5)=3$, find $f(2015)$












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Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:



$$begin{align}
f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
f(5)&=3
end{align}$$



Find the value of $f(2015)$.




I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.










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    Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:



    $$begin{align}
    f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
    f(5)&=3
    end{align}$$



    Find the value of $f(2015)$.




    I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.










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      Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:



      $$begin{align}
      f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
      f(5)&=3
      end{align}$$



      Find the value of $f(2015)$.




      I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.










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      Suppose the function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ satisfies the following conditions:



      $$begin{align}
      f(4xy)&=2y[f(x+y)+f(x-y)] \[4pt]
      f(5)&=3
      end{align}$$



      Find the value of $f(2015)$.




      I have tried to find some other hiding condition, like $f(0)=0,$ but which is useless.







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          Firstly, it’s trivial that
          $$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$



          Next, we see that
          $$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text{,}$$
          which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.



          Afterwards, one notices that
          $$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
          Hence,
          $$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
          $$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
          $$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = frac{x+y}{x-y}cdot f(x-y)$$



          If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
          $$f(2015) = frac{2015}{5}cdot 3 = 1209$$






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            Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
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          With the provided function,



          $$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag{1}label{eq1}$$



          First, substitute $y = 0$ to get



          $$fleft(0right) = 0 tag{2}label{eq2}$$



          Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqref{eq2} to get



          $$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag{3}label{eq3}$$



          Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives



          $$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag{4}label{eq4}$$



          In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqref{eq1} gives



          $$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag{5}label{eq5}$$



          Now, using $x = 1$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag{6}label{eq6}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq2} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag{7}label{eq7}$$



          Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag{8}label{eq8}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq7} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag{9}label{eq9}$$



          Note that eqref{eq2}, eqref{eq4}, eqref{eq7} and eqref{eq9} all satisfy



          $$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag{10}label{eq10}$$



          In particular, for eqref{eq2}, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqref{eq4}, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqref{eq7} & eqref{eq9}, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqref{eq10} always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text{ for a non-zero constant } k in R$, which from the given condition of



          $$fleft(5right) = 3 tag{11}label{eq11}$$



          gives a value of $k = frac{3}{5}$ so the function would be



          $$fleft(xright) = cfrac{3x}{5} tag{12}label{eq12}$$



          To confirm this, substitute eqref{eq12} into eqref{eq5} to give on the left side



          $$cfrac{12x}{5} tag{13}label{eq13}$$



          with the right side becoming



          $$2left[cfrac{3left(x + 1right)}{5} + cfrac{3left(x - 1right)}{5} right] = 2left[cfrac{left(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)}{5} right] = cfrac{12x}{5} tag{14}label{eq14}$$



          Similarly, using eqref{eq12} in eqref{eq1} gives a left & right hand side of $frac{12xy}{5}$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of



          $$fleft(2015right) = cfrac{3 times 2015}{5} = 1209 tag{15}label{eq15}$$



          Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.






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            I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
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            @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
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            Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
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            Dec 27 '18 at 3:14












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            I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
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            @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
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          $begingroup$

          Firstly, it’s trivial that
          $$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$



          Next, we see that
          $$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text{,}$$
          which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.



          Afterwards, one notices that
          $$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
          Hence,
          $$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
          $$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
          $$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = frac{x+y}{x-y}cdot f(x-y)$$



          If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
          $$f(2015) = frac{2015}{5}cdot 3 = 1209$$






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            Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
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          $begingroup$

          Firstly, it’s trivial that
          $$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$



          Next, we see that
          $$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text{,}$$
          which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.



          Afterwards, one notices that
          $$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
          Hence,
          $$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
          $$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
          $$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = frac{x+y}{x-y}cdot f(x-y)$$



          If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
          $$f(2015) = frac{2015}{5}cdot 3 = 1209$$






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            Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Jan 1 at 1:22














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          $begingroup$

          Firstly, it’s trivial that
          $$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$



          Next, we see that
          $$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text{,}$$
          which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.



          Afterwards, one notices that
          $$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
          Hence,
          $$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
          $$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
          $$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = frac{x+y}{x-y}cdot f(x-y)$$



          If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
          $$f(2015) = frac{2015}{5}cdot 3 = 1209$$






          share|cite|improve this answer









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          Firstly, it’s trivial that
          $$f(0) = f(4cdot 0cdot 0) = 2cdot 0 cdot [f(0) + f(0)] = 0$$



          Next, we see that
          $$0 = f(0) = f(4cdot 0 cdot y) = 2ycdot [f(y) + f(-y)]text{,}$$
          which implies that $f(-y) = -f(y)$ for all $yneq 0$.



          Afterwards, one notices that
          $$f(4xy) = f(4yx)$$
          Hence,
          $$2ycdot [f(x+y) + f(x-y)] = 2xcdot [f(x+y) + f(y-x)]$$
          $$Leftrightarrow (x-y)cdot f(x+y) = (x+y)cdot f(x-y)$$
          $$Leftrightarrow f(x+y) = frac{x+y}{x-y}cdot f(x-y)$$



          If we substitute now $x=1010$ and $y=1005$, we get that
          $$f(2015) = frac{2015}{5}cdot 3 = 1209$$







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            Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
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            Jan 1 at 1:22


















          • $begingroup$
            Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Jan 1 at 1:22
















          $begingroup$
          Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
          $endgroup$
          – John Omielan
          Jan 1 at 1:22




          $begingroup$
          Very nice! It's a more direct way to get the function value than what I did in my answer.
          $endgroup$
          – John Omielan
          Jan 1 at 1:22











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          With the provided function,



          $$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag{1}label{eq1}$$



          First, substitute $y = 0$ to get



          $$fleft(0right) = 0 tag{2}label{eq2}$$



          Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqref{eq2} to get



          $$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag{3}label{eq3}$$



          Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives



          $$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag{4}label{eq4}$$



          In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqref{eq1} gives



          $$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag{5}label{eq5}$$



          Now, using $x = 1$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag{6}label{eq6}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq2} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag{7}label{eq7}$$



          Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag{8}label{eq8}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq7} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag{9}label{eq9}$$



          Note that eqref{eq2}, eqref{eq4}, eqref{eq7} and eqref{eq9} all satisfy



          $$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag{10}label{eq10}$$



          In particular, for eqref{eq2}, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqref{eq4}, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqref{eq7} & eqref{eq9}, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqref{eq10} always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text{ for a non-zero constant } k in R$, which from the given condition of



          $$fleft(5right) = 3 tag{11}label{eq11}$$



          gives a value of $k = frac{3}{5}$ so the function would be



          $$fleft(xright) = cfrac{3x}{5} tag{12}label{eq12}$$



          To confirm this, substitute eqref{eq12} into eqref{eq5} to give on the left side



          $$cfrac{12x}{5} tag{13}label{eq13}$$



          with the right side becoming



          $$2left[cfrac{3left(x + 1right)}{5} + cfrac{3left(x - 1right)}{5} right] = 2left[cfrac{left(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)}{5} right] = cfrac{12x}{5} tag{14}label{eq14}$$



          Similarly, using eqref{eq12} in eqref{eq1} gives a left & right hand side of $frac{12xy}{5}$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of



          $$fleft(2015right) = cfrac{3 times 2015}{5} = 1209 tag{15}label{eq15}$$



          Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.






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            I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
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            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 2:08






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            @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
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            Dec 27 '18 at 2:17












          • $begingroup$
            Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
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            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 3:14












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            I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
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            – Henning Makholm
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:38










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            @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
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            – John Omielan
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:55


















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          $begingroup$

          With the provided function,



          $$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag{1}label{eq1}$$



          First, substitute $y = 0$ to get



          $$fleft(0right) = 0 tag{2}label{eq2}$$



          Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqref{eq2} to get



          $$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag{3}label{eq3}$$



          Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives



          $$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag{4}label{eq4}$$



          In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqref{eq1} gives



          $$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag{5}label{eq5}$$



          Now, using $x = 1$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag{6}label{eq6}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq2} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag{7}label{eq7}$$



          Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag{8}label{eq8}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq7} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag{9}label{eq9}$$



          Note that eqref{eq2}, eqref{eq4}, eqref{eq7} and eqref{eq9} all satisfy



          $$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag{10}label{eq10}$$



          In particular, for eqref{eq2}, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqref{eq4}, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqref{eq7} & eqref{eq9}, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqref{eq10} always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text{ for a non-zero constant } k in R$, which from the given condition of



          $$fleft(5right) = 3 tag{11}label{eq11}$$



          gives a value of $k = frac{3}{5}$ so the function would be



          $$fleft(xright) = cfrac{3x}{5} tag{12}label{eq12}$$



          To confirm this, substitute eqref{eq12} into eqref{eq5} to give on the left side



          $$cfrac{12x}{5} tag{13}label{eq13}$$



          with the right side becoming



          $$2left[cfrac{3left(x + 1right)}{5} + cfrac{3left(x - 1right)}{5} right] = 2left[cfrac{left(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)}{5} right] = cfrac{12x}{5} tag{14}label{eq14}$$



          Similarly, using eqref{eq12} in eqref{eq1} gives a left & right hand side of $frac{12xy}{5}$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of



          $$fleft(2015right) = cfrac{3 times 2015}{5} = 1209 tag{15}label{eq15}$$



          Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.






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            Dec 27 '18 at 2:08






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            @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Dec 27 '18 at 2:17












          • $begingroup$
            Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
            $endgroup$
            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 3:14












          • $begingroup$
            I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
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            – Henning Makholm
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:38










          • $begingroup$
            @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
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          With the provided function,



          $$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag{1}label{eq1}$$



          First, substitute $y = 0$ to get



          $$fleft(0right) = 0 tag{2}label{eq2}$$



          Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqref{eq2} to get



          $$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag{3}label{eq3}$$



          Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives



          $$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag{4}label{eq4}$$



          In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqref{eq1} gives



          $$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag{5}label{eq5}$$



          Now, using $x = 1$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag{6}label{eq6}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq2} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag{7}label{eq7}$$



          Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag{8}label{eq8}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq7} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag{9}label{eq9}$$



          Note that eqref{eq2}, eqref{eq4}, eqref{eq7} and eqref{eq9} all satisfy



          $$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag{10}label{eq10}$$



          In particular, for eqref{eq2}, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqref{eq4}, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqref{eq7} & eqref{eq9}, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqref{eq10} always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text{ for a non-zero constant } k in R$, which from the given condition of



          $$fleft(5right) = 3 tag{11}label{eq11}$$



          gives a value of $k = frac{3}{5}$ so the function would be



          $$fleft(xright) = cfrac{3x}{5} tag{12}label{eq12}$$



          To confirm this, substitute eqref{eq12} into eqref{eq5} to give on the left side



          $$cfrac{12x}{5} tag{13}label{eq13}$$



          with the right side becoming



          $$2left[cfrac{3left(x + 1right)}{5} + cfrac{3left(x - 1right)}{5} right] = 2left[cfrac{left(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)}{5} right] = cfrac{12x}{5} tag{14}label{eq14}$$



          Similarly, using eqref{eq12} in eqref{eq1} gives a left & right hand side of $frac{12xy}{5}$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of



          $$fleft(2015right) = cfrac{3 times 2015}{5} = 1209 tag{15}label{eq15}$$



          Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.






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          With the provided function,



          $$fleft(4xyright) = 2yleft[fleft(x + yright) + fleft(x - yright)right] tag{1}label{eq1}$$



          First, substitute $y = 0$ to get



          $$fleft(0right) = 0 tag{2}label{eq2}$$



          Next, substitute $x = 0$ and use eqref{eq2} to get



          $$0 = 2yleft[fleft(yright) + fleft(-yright)right] tag{3}label{eq3}$$



          Thus, for all values of $y$ other than $0$, dividing both sides by $2y$ gives



          $$fleft(yright) = -fleft(-yright) tag{4}label{eq4}$$



          In other words, $f$ is an odd function. Next, substituting $y = 1$ into eqref{eq1} gives



          $$fleft(4xright) = 2left[fleft(x + 1right) + fleft(x - 1right)right] tag{5}label{eq5}$$



          Now, using $x = 1$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2left[fleft(2right) + fleft(0right)right] tag{6}label{eq6}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq2} gives



          $$fleft(4right) = 2fleft(2right) tag{7}label{eq7}$$



          Similarly, using $x = 3$ in eqref{eq5} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 2left[fleft(4right) + fleft(2right)right] tag{8}label{eq8}$$



          Thus, using eqref{eq7} gives



          $$fleft(12right) = 6fleft(2right) tag{9}label{eq9}$$



          Note that eqref{eq2}, eqref{eq4}, eqref{eq7} and eqref{eq9} all satisfy



          $$fleft(nxright) = nfleft(xright) forall ; n in N tag{10}label{eq10}$$



          In particular, for eqref{eq2}, $n = 0 ; forall ; x in R$; for eqref{eq4}, $n = -1 ; forall ; x in R$; and for eqref{eq7} & eqref{eq9}, $x = 2$ only, with $n = 2$ & $n = 6$, respectively. This doesn't prove eqref{eq10} always works, but it suggests that $f$ is a linear multiple of $x$, i.e, $fleft(xright) = kx text{ for a non-zero constant } k in R$, which from the given condition of



          $$fleft(5right) = 3 tag{11}label{eq11}$$



          gives a value of $k = frac{3}{5}$ so the function would be



          $$fleft(xright) = cfrac{3x}{5} tag{12}label{eq12}$$



          To confirm this, substitute eqref{eq12} into eqref{eq5} to give on the left side



          $$cfrac{12x}{5} tag{13}label{eq13}$$



          with the right side becoming



          $$2left[cfrac{3left(x + 1right)}{5} + cfrac{3left(x - 1right)}{5} right] = 2left[cfrac{left(3x + 3 + 3x - 3right)}{5} right] = cfrac{12x}{5} tag{14}label{eq14}$$



          Similarly, using eqref{eq12} in eqref{eq1} gives a left & right hand side of $frac{12xy}{5}$, confirming it's also a solution of the original equation. I'm not quite sure offhand how to prove it's unique, but I assume it is. We thus get a final answer of



          $$fleft(2015right) = cfrac{3 times 2015}{5} = 1209 tag{15}label{eq15}$$



          Note: The solution could involve just "guessing" the function being a constant multiple of the argument, and then showing this works to determine the final answer, but I thought it might be useful for people to see how one can approach solving this problem somewhat systematically as I did. In particular, I tried using small constant values for $x$ and $y$, checking what information this offered, and then seeing if I could leverage this when using other values. For example, I started with $x = 0$ and $y = 0$, then used $y = 1$, $x = 1$ and $x = 3$. Each time, I used previous details to help simplify and learn more about the new values, until I saw the pattern which I then confirmed worked.







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          • $begingroup$
            I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
            $endgroup$
            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 2:08






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Dec 27 '18 at 2:17












          • $begingroup$
            Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
            $endgroup$
            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 3:14












          • $begingroup$
            I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
            $endgroup$
            – Henning Makholm
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:38










          • $begingroup$
            @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:55




















          • $begingroup$
            I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
            $endgroup$
            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 2:08






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Dec 27 '18 at 2:17












          • $begingroup$
            Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
            $endgroup$
            – yuanming luo
            Dec 27 '18 at 3:14












          • $begingroup$
            I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
            $endgroup$
            – Henning Makholm
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:38










          • $begingroup$
            @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
            $endgroup$
            – John Omielan
            Dec 31 '18 at 22:55


















          $begingroup$
          I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
          $endgroup$
          – yuanming luo
          Dec 27 '18 at 2:08




          $begingroup$
          I am trying to give a reason for the 10th step.
          $endgroup$
          – yuanming luo
          Dec 27 '18 at 2:08




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
          $endgroup$
          – John Omielan
          Dec 27 '18 at 2:17






          $begingroup$
          @yuanmingluo I don't offhand see any easy way to directly prove from the provided functional equation that the function is linear. However, the various sets of values all match this so it would have to be a somewhat "perverse" function to not be linear, but the provided equation indicates it is a relatively simple function. I know this is not very precise, but it's the best I can do for now. As I mention in my answer, I am quite rusty at solving these types of problems, but I was once fairly good at it many years ago.
          $endgroup$
          – John Omielan
          Dec 27 '18 at 2:17














          $begingroup$
          Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
          $endgroup$
          – yuanming luo
          Dec 27 '18 at 3:14






          $begingroup$
          Yeah, I know. It was my first time to see this type of questions. So, I also want to do my best.
          $endgroup$
          – yuanming luo
          Dec 27 '18 at 3:14














          $begingroup$
          I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
          $endgroup$
          – Henning Makholm
          Dec 31 '18 at 22:38




          $begingroup$
          I don't see how (10) is implied by the equations you claim imply it.
          $endgroup$
          – Henning Makholm
          Dec 31 '18 at 22:38












          $begingroup$
          @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
          $endgroup$
          – John Omielan
          Dec 31 '18 at 22:55






          $begingroup$
          @HenningMakholm Thanks for your question. ($10$) works with all the equations I list. With ($2$), $fleft(0xright) = 0x forall ; x in R$; with ($4$), $fleft(-xright) = -x forall ; x in R$; with ($7$), $fleft(2 times 2right) = 2left(2right)$; & with ($9$), $fleft(6 times 2right) = 6fleft(2right)$. I have updated my solution so this is more clear. This obviously doesn't prove that ($10$) works for all values of $x$ & $n$, but it would have to be a quite unusual function for it not to. I just used the apparent pattern to determine a proposed solution that I confirmed works.
          $endgroup$
          – John Omielan
          Dec 31 '18 at 22:55




















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