What is the principal cubic root of $-8$?
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According to my book it should be a real number, and according to WolframAlpha it should be $1+1.73i$
What is the correct answer?
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According to my book it should be a real number, and according to WolframAlpha it should be $1+1.73i$
What is the correct answer?
radicals
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_value
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– lab bhattacharjee
May 31 '15 at 14:19
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Related: Plot of x^(1/3) has range of 0-inf in Mathematica and R
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Jun 1 '15 at 21:39
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According to my book it should be a real number, and according to WolframAlpha it should be $1+1.73i$
What is the correct answer?
radicals
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According to my book it should be a real number, and according to WolframAlpha it should be $1+1.73i$
What is the correct answer?
radicals
radicals
edited May 31 '15 at 13:49
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_value
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– lab bhattacharjee
May 31 '15 at 14:19
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Related: Plot of x^(1/3) has range of 0-inf in Mathematica and R
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– epimorphic
Jun 1 '15 at 21:39
add a comment |
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_value
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– lab bhattacharjee
May 31 '15 at 14:19
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Related: Plot of x^(1/3) has range of 0-inf in Mathematica and R
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– epimorphic
Jun 1 '15 at 21:39
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_value
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– lab bhattacharjee
May 31 '15 at 14:19
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_value
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– lab bhattacharjee
May 31 '15 at 14:19
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Related: Plot of x^(1/3) has range of 0-inf in Mathematica and R
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– epimorphic
Jun 1 '15 at 21:39
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Related: Plot of x^(1/3) has range of 0-inf in Mathematica and R
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The cubic roots of $-8$ are:
$$
2e^{ipi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}+idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2}) qquad 2e^{ipi}=-2 qquad 2e^{i2pi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}-idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2})
$$
it seems that WolframAlpha consider as principal root the root with the minimum value of the argument, i.e $e^{ipi/3}$, but usually, if there is a real root this is considered the principal root.
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This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
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– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
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I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
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– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
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– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
add a comment |
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Mathematicians (as opposed to elementary textbook writers) consider complex numbers. To make the principal value of the cube root continuous in as large a region of the complex plane as possible, and to have it agree with the conventional cube root for positive numbers, they choose the cube root with argument in $(-pi/3 , pi/3]$. This fits together with a systematic choice of principal value for logarithm, arctangent, and others.
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There are three complex cubic roots of $-8$.
Namely $2 e^{i pi/3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+2 pi) /3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+4 pi) /3} $.
You get this using the polar form(s) of $-8$, that is $8 e^{i pi}$ and more generally $8 e^{i (pi+ 2kpi)}$ for $k $ and integer.
The middle one is $-2$ and the first one is what Wolfram Alpha gives.
The rational for W|A making that choice is that it considers as principal root the one where the principal argument of $-8$, that is $pi$, is divided by $3$.
The rational of your book should be that they want to be cubic roots of reals to be real.
It is a matter of definition/convention. In some sense I prefer the former, but would use the latter in the right context too.
In any case, you should follow your book or talk to your instructor about it, as otherwise there will be confusion.
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add a comment |
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In $mathbb R$, the cube root of $-8$ is $-2$. There is no need for the concept of a "principal root".
So the term "principal cube root" implies that the field of interest is $mathbb C$, not $mathbb R$. And then, according to this Wikipedia article, the principal cube root of $z$ is usually defined as $exp(frac13log z)$, where the principal branch of the logarithm is taken. This interpretation gives $1 + isqrt 3$ as the principal cube root of $-8$.
By the way, did you notice that Wolfram Alpha has this covered? It lets you choose:
Assuming the principal root | Use the real‐valued root instead
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If you sketch a graph $ y = x^3 + 8 $ , it cuts x-axis not only at x = -2 but comes closest to x-axis near about x= 1 but does not actually cut it.
At that point you have complex roots $ 1 pm i sqrt 3. $ The view in Argand diagram shows all the three positions of vector tip.
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The cubic roots of $-8$ are:
$$
2e^{ipi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}+idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2}) qquad 2e^{ipi}=-2 qquad 2e^{i2pi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}-idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2})
$$
it seems that WolframAlpha consider as principal root the root with the minimum value of the argument, i.e $e^{ipi/3}$, but usually, if there is a real root this is considered the principal root.
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This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
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– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
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I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
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– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
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– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
add a comment |
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The cubic roots of $-8$ are:
$$
2e^{ipi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}+idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2}) qquad 2e^{ipi}=-2 qquad 2e^{i2pi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}-idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2})
$$
it seems that WolframAlpha consider as principal root the root with the minimum value of the argument, i.e $e^{ipi/3}$, but usually, if there is a real root this is considered the principal root.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
$begingroup$
I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
add a comment |
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The cubic roots of $-8$ are:
$$
2e^{ipi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}+idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2}) qquad 2e^{ipi}=-2 qquad 2e^{i2pi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}-idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2})
$$
it seems that WolframAlpha consider as principal root the root with the minimum value of the argument, i.e $e^{ipi/3}$, but usually, if there is a real root this is considered the principal root.
$endgroup$
The cubic roots of $-8$ are:
$$
2e^{ipi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}+idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2}) qquad 2e^{ipi}=-2 qquad 2e^{i2pi/3}=2(dfrac{1}{2}-idfrac{sqrt{3}}{2})
$$
it seems that WolframAlpha consider as principal root the root with the minimum value of the argument, i.e $e^{ipi/3}$, but usually, if there is a real root this is considered the principal root.
edited May 31 '15 at 14:03
answered May 31 '15 at 13:17
Emilio NovatiEmilio Novati
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This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
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I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
$begingroup$
I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
$begingroup$
This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
$begingroup$
This is a good explanation only a detail: W|A considers as principal root the one obtained from the principal argument (which W|A seems to take in $(-pi, pi]$) so minimum value of the argument is potentially misleading.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 13:29
$begingroup$
I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
$begingroup$
I'm not sure that WA take values in $(-pi,pi]$, but, in this case it seems that WA defines as principal value the value with the minimum positive value of the argument.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Novati
May 31 '15 at 14:00
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
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– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
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I am pretty sure though, as I tested it. Also see GEdgar's answer. If you want to see for yourself let it compute the cube root of $-i$, it will not give $i$ as principal value.
$endgroup$
– quid♦
May 31 '15 at 14:19
add a comment |
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Mathematicians (as opposed to elementary textbook writers) consider complex numbers. To make the principal value of the cube root continuous in as large a region of the complex plane as possible, and to have it agree with the conventional cube root for positive numbers, they choose the cube root with argument in $(-pi/3 , pi/3]$. This fits together with a systematic choice of principal value for logarithm, arctangent, and others.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Mathematicians (as opposed to elementary textbook writers) consider complex numbers. To make the principal value of the cube root continuous in as large a region of the complex plane as possible, and to have it agree with the conventional cube root for positive numbers, they choose the cube root with argument in $(-pi/3 , pi/3]$. This fits together with a systematic choice of principal value for logarithm, arctangent, and others.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Mathematicians (as opposed to elementary textbook writers) consider complex numbers. To make the principal value of the cube root continuous in as large a region of the complex plane as possible, and to have it agree with the conventional cube root for positive numbers, they choose the cube root with argument in $(-pi/3 , pi/3]$. This fits together with a systematic choice of principal value for logarithm, arctangent, and others.
$endgroup$
Mathematicians (as opposed to elementary textbook writers) consider complex numbers. To make the principal value of the cube root continuous in as large a region of the complex plane as possible, and to have it agree with the conventional cube root for positive numbers, they choose the cube root with argument in $(-pi/3 , pi/3]$. This fits together with a systematic choice of principal value for logarithm, arctangent, and others.
edited May 31 '15 at 13:48
answered May 31 '15 at 13:43
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There are three complex cubic roots of $-8$.
Namely $2 e^{i pi/3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+2 pi) /3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+4 pi) /3} $.
You get this using the polar form(s) of $-8$, that is $8 e^{i pi}$ and more generally $8 e^{i (pi+ 2kpi)}$ for $k $ and integer.
The middle one is $-2$ and the first one is what Wolfram Alpha gives.
The rational for W|A making that choice is that it considers as principal root the one where the principal argument of $-8$, that is $pi$, is divided by $3$.
The rational of your book should be that they want to be cubic roots of reals to be real.
It is a matter of definition/convention. In some sense I prefer the former, but would use the latter in the right context too.
In any case, you should follow your book or talk to your instructor about it, as otherwise there will be confusion.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
There are three complex cubic roots of $-8$.
Namely $2 e^{i pi/3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+2 pi) /3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+4 pi) /3} $.
You get this using the polar form(s) of $-8$, that is $8 e^{i pi}$ and more generally $8 e^{i (pi+ 2kpi)}$ for $k $ and integer.
The middle one is $-2$ and the first one is what Wolfram Alpha gives.
The rational for W|A making that choice is that it considers as principal root the one where the principal argument of $-8$, that is $pi$, is divided by $3$.
The rational of your book should be that they want to be cubic roots of reals to be real.
It is a matter of definition/convention. In some sense I prefer the former, but would use the latter in the right context too.
In any case, you should follow your book or talk to your instructor about it, as otherwise there will be confusion.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There are three complex cubic roots of $-8$.
Namely $2 e^{i pi/3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+2 pi) /3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+4 pi) /3} $.
You get this using the polar form(s) of $-8$, that is $8 e^{i pi}$ and more generally $8 e^{i (pi+ 2kpi)}$ for $k $ and integer.
The middle one is $-2$ and the first one is what Wolfram Alpha gives.
The rational for W|A making that choice is that it considers as principal root the one where the principal argument of $-8$, that is $pi$, is divided by $3$.
The rational of your book should be that they want to be cubic roots of reals to be real.
It is a matter of definition/convention. In some sense I prefer the former, but would use the latter in the right context too.
In any case, you should follow your book or talk to your instructor about it, as otherwise there will be confusion.
$endgroup$
There are three complex cubic roots of $-8$.
Namely $2 e^{i pi/3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+2 pi) /3}$, $2 e^{i (pi+4 pi) /3} $.
You get this using the polar form(s) of $-8$, that is $8 e^{i pi}$ and more generally $8 e^{i (pi+ 2kpi)}$ for $k $ and integer.
The middle one is $-2$ and the first one is what Wolfram Alpha gives.
The rational for W|A making that choice is that it considers as principal root the one where the principal argument of $-8$, that is $pi$, is divided by $3$.
The rational of your book should be that they want to be cubic roots of reals to be real.
It is a matter of definition/convention. In some sense I prefer the former, but would use the latter in the right context too.
In any case, you should follow your book or talk to your instructor about it, as otherwise there will be confusion.
answered May 31 '15 at 13:19
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In $mathbb R$, the cube root of $-8$ is $-2$. There is no need for the concept of a "principal root".
So the term "principal cube root" implies that the field of interest is $mathbb C$, not $mathbb R$. And then, according to this Wikipedia article, the principal cube root of $z$ is usually defined as $exp(frac13log z)$, where the principal branch of the logarithm is taken. This interpretation gives $1 + isqrt 3$ as the principal cube root of $-8$.
By the way, did you notice that Wolfram Alpha has this covered? It lets you choose:
Assuming the principal root | Use the real‐valued root instead
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
In $mathbb R$, the cube root of $-8$ is $-2$. There is no need for the concept of a "principal root".
So the term "principal cube root" implies that the field of interest is $mathbb C$, not $mathbb R$. And then, according to this Wikipedia article, the principal cube root of $z$ is usually defined as $exp(frac13log z)$, where the principal branch of the logarithm is taken. This interpretation gives $1 + isqrt 3$ as the principal cube root of $-8$.
By the way, did you notice that Wolfram Alpha has this covered? It lets you choose:
Assuming the principal root | Use the real‐valued root instead
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In $mathbb R$, the cube root of $-8$ is $-2$. There is no need for the concept of a "principal root".
So the term "principal cube root" implies that the field of interest is $mathbb C$, not $mathbb R$. And then, according to this Wikipedia article, the principal cube root of $z$ is usually defined as $exp(frac13log z)$, where the principal branch of the logarithm is taken. This interpretation gives $1 + isqrt 3$ as the principal cube root of $-8$.
By the way, did you notice that Wolfram Alpha has this covered? It lets you choose:
Assuming the principal root | Use the real‐valued root instead
$endgroup$
In $mathbb R$, the cube root of $-8$ is $-2$. There is no need for the concept of a "principal root".
So the term "principal cube root" implies that the field of interest is $mathbb C$, not $mathbb R$. And then, according to this Wikipedia article, the principal cube root of $z$ is usually defined as $exp(frac13log z)$, where the principal branch of the logarithm is taken. This interpretation gives $1 + isqrt 3$ as the principal cube root of $-8$.
By the way, did you notice that Wolfram Alpha has this covered? It lets you choose:
Assuming the principal root | Use the real‐valued root instead
answered May 31 '15 at 13:42
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If you sketch a graph $ y = x^3 + 8 $ , it cuts x-axis not only at x = -2 but comes closest to x-axis near about x= 1 but does not actually cut it.
At that point you have complex roots $ 1 pm i sqrt 3. $ The view in Argand diagram shows all the three positions of vector tip.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you sketch a graph $ y = x^3 + 8 $ , it cuts x-axis not only at x = -2 but comes closest to x-axis near about x= 1 but does not actually cut it.
At that point you have complex roots $ 1 pm i sqrt 3. $ The view in Argand diagram shows all the three positions of vector tip.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you sketch a graph $ y = x^3 + 8 $ , it cuts x-axis not only at x = -2 but comes closest to x-axis near about x= 1 but does not actually cut it.
At that point you have complex roots $ 1 pm i sqrt 3. $ The view in Argand diagram shows all the three positions of vector tip.
$endgroup$
If you sketch a graph $ y = x^3 + 8 $ , it cuts x-axis not only at x = -2 but comes closest to x-axis near about x= 1 but does not actually cut it.
At that point you have complex roots $ 1 pm i sqrt 3. $ The view in Argand diagram shows all the three positions of vector tip.
edited May 31 '15 at 16:13
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– lab bhattacharjee
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Related: Plot of x^(1/3) has range of 0-inf in Mathematica and R
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