What is the etymology of the kanji 食?












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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?






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    Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F

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    Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.

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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?






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    Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F

    – BJCUAI
    Mar 2 at 20:37






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    Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.

    – droooze
    Mar 2 at 23:46
















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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?






kanji etymology







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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?






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    Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F

    – BJCUAI
    Mar 2 at 20:37






  • 1





    Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.

    – droooze
    Mar 2 at 23:46
















  • 2





    Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F

    – BJCUAI
    Mar 2 at 20:37






  • 1





    Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.

    – droooze
    Mar 2 at 23:46










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Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F

– BJCUAI
Mar 2 at 20:37





Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F

– BJCUAI
Mar 2 at 20:37




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Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.

– droooze
Mar 2 at 23:46







Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.

– droooze
Mar 2 at 23:46












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「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.



商
甲
enter image description here
甲1289
合集11485春秋
金
enter image description here
仲義⿱貝口
集成2279
篆
enter image description here
說文解字
　秦
簡
enter image description here
睡ㆍ秦78
　今
楷
enter image description here

　




「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:



商
甲
enter image description here
珠579
合集27706秦
簡
enter image description here
睡ㆍ為32
　今
楷
enter image description here

　



「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.




商
甲
enter image description here
存下764
合集32879商
甲
enter image description here
京津4144
合集27937
篆
enter image description here
說文解字
　今
楷
enter image description here

　今
楷
enter image description here

　



「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.




篆
enter image description here
說文解字
　今
楷
enter image description here

　



「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.





References:




  • 季旭昇《說文新證》

  • 小學堂


  • 國學大師


    • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》

    • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》








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    Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.



    食の字のなりたち






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    • I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

      – user32763
      Mar 2 at 20:56








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      The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

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      Mar 2 at 21:43











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    「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.



    商
    甲
    enter image description here
    甲1289
    合集11485    春秋
    金
    enter image description here
    仲義⿱貝口
    集成2279
    篆
    enter image description here
    說文解字
    　    秦
    簡
    enter image description here
    睡ㆍ秦78
    　    今
    楷
    enter image description here

    　




    「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:



    商
    甲
    enter image description here
    珠579
    合集27706    秦
    簡
    enter image description here
    睡ㆍ為32
    　    今
    楷
    enter image description here

    　



    「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.




    商
    甲
    enter image description here
    存下764
    合集32879    商
    甲
    enter image description here
    京津4144
    合集27937
    篆
    enter image description here
    說文解字
    　    今
    楷
    enter image description here

    　    今
    楷
    enter image description here

    　



    「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.




    篆
    enter image description here
    說文解字
    　    今
    楷
    enter image description here

    　



    「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.





    References:




    • 季旭昇《說文新證》

    • 小學堂


    • 國學大師


      • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》

      • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》








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      「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.



      商
      甲
      enter image description here
      甲1289
      合集11485      春秋
      金
      enter image description here
      仲義⿱貝口
      集成2279
      篆
      enter image description here
      說文解字
      　      秦
      簡
      enter image description here
      睡ㆍ秦78
      　      今
      楷
      enter image description here

      　




      「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:



      商
      甲
      enter image description here
      珠579
      合集27706      秦
      簡
      enter image description here
      睡ㆍ為32
      　      今
      楷
      enter image description here

      　



      「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.




      商
      甲
      enter image description here
      存下764
      合集32879      商
      甲
      enter image description here
      京津4144
      合集27937
      篆
      enter image description here
      說文解字
      　      今
      楷
      enter image description here

      　      今
      楷
      enter image description here

      　



      「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.




      篆
      enter image description here
      說文解字
      　      今
      楷
      enter image description here

      　



      「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.





      References:




      • 季旭昇《說文新證》

      • 小學堂


      • 國學大師


        • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》

        • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》








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        「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.



        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        甲1289
        合集11485        春秋
        金
        enter image description here
        仲義⿱貝口
        集成2279
        篆
        enter image description here
        說文解字
        　        秦
        簡
        enter image description here
        睡ㆍ秦78
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　




        「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:



        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        珠579
        合集27706        秦
        簡
        enter image description here
        睡ㆍ為32
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　



        「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.




        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        存下764
        合集32879        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        京津4144
        合集27937
        篆
        enter image description here
        說文解字
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　



        「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.




        篆
        enter image description here
        說文解字
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　



        「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.





        References:




        • 季旭昇《說文新證》

        • 小學堂


        • 國學大師


          • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》

          • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》








        share|improve this answer















        「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.



        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        甲1289
        合集11485        春秋
        金
        enter image description here
        仲義⿱貝口
        集成2279
        篆
        enter image description here
        說文解字
        　        秦
        簡
        enter image description here
        睡ㆍ秦78
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　




        「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:



        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        珠579
        合集27706        秦
        簡
        enter image description here
        睡ㆍ為32
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　



        「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.




        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        存下764
        合集32879        商
        甲
        enter image description here
        京津4144
        合集27937
        篆
        enter image description here
        說文解字
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　



        「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.




        篆
        enter image description here
        說文解字
        　        今
        楷
        enter image description here

        　



        「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.





        References:




        • 季旭昇《說文新證》

        • 小學堂


        • 國學大師


          • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》

          • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》









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            Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.



            食の字のなりたち






            share|improve this answer
























            • I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

              – user32763
              Mar 2 at 20:56








            • 1





              The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

              – db2
              Mar 2 at 21:43
















            2














            Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.



            食の字のなりたち






            share|improve this answer
























            • I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

              – user32763
              Mar 2 at 20:56








            • 1





              The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

              – db2
              Mar 2 at 21:43














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            2







            Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.



            食の字のなりたち






            share|improve this answer













            Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.



            食の字のなりたち







            share|improve this answer












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            db2db2

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            • I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

              – user32763
              Mar 2 at 20:56








            • 1





              The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

              – db2
              Mar 2 at 21:43



















            • I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

              – user32763
              Mar 2 at 20:56








            • 1





              The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

              – db2
              Mar 2 at 21:43

















            I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

            – user32763
            Mar 2 at 20:56







            I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer

            – user32763
            Mar 2 at 20:56






            1




            1





            The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

            – db2
            Mar 2 at 21:43





            The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)

            – db2
            Mar 2 at 21:43


















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            up vote 5 down vote favorite 2 I would like to make it so that the vertical space below the title of each chapter is the same when using the Bjornstrup package (i.e. so that the descenders do not affect the spacing - as shown by the red arrow in the picture below). I think I'm fairly happy with the spacing around "A chapter", so I'd really like titles without descenders (e.g. "Contents") to have the same vertical spacing as "A chapter" below the title. I would also like to remove the large "0" in the contents title. Any help appreciated, as always. documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{book} % Packages[![enter image description here][1]][1] usepackage[left=3.5cm, right=3.5cm, top=4.3cm, bottom=4.25cm]{geometry} usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} usepackage{libertine} usepackage[libertine]{newtx...
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