The effects of magnetism in radio transmissions
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Lets say the Earth's magnetic field was stronger without specifying how much stronger.
How would have this affected the development of radio transmissions?
Would a much stronger field completely forbid humanity from using any kind of radio signal?
Would a moderately stronger field change certain aspects of the radio as we know it, perhaps limiting it in some way?
- I just can't find anything specific on the way it affects it so I'm not looking for complicated or long answers, just what to take into account when making a world with a stronger field so I can more accurately depict the functionality and usage of radio technologies (if they can coexist with the field, that is).
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Lets say the Earth's magnetic field was stronger without specifying how much stronger.
How would have this affected the development of radio transmissions?
Would a much stronger field completely forbid humanity from using any kind of radio signal?
Would a moderately stronger field change certain aspects of the radio as we know it, perhaps limiting it in some way?
- I just can't find anything specific on the way it affects it so I'm not looking for complicated or long answers, just what to take into account when making a world with a stronger field so I can more accurately depict the functionality and usage of radio technologies (if they can coexist with the field, that is).
earth-like electromagnetism radio
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" without specifying how much stronger." - so you want specific answer about explicitly unspecified change?
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– Mołot
Mar 1 at 19:33
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@Mołot I just want to know the basics of the interaction between radio and magnetism to figure out if it would limit or prohibit the development of radio as we know it in an alternative Earth (if it even does affect it which seems like a no from the answer of Nex Terren)
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– El Nitromante
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The magnetic field of the planet, by itself, does not have any influence on the generation or propagation of radio waves. Second order effects do exist, but they are quite unlikely to pose any unsolvable problems; for example, if the magnetic field is immensely stronger than Earth's (say, thousands of times stronger) then the electromagnetic noise (= "static") produced by charged particles coming from outer space may be quite strong; but at such insane intensities you have other much more pressing problems -- for example, using iron tools becomes problematic...
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– AlexP
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Lets say the Earth's magnetic field was stronger without specifying how much stronger.
How would have this affected the development of radio transmissions?
Would a much stronger field completely forbid humanity from using any kind of radio signal?
Would a moderately stronger field change certain aspects of the radio as we know it, perhaps limiting it in some way?
- I just can't find anything specific on the way it affects it so I'm not looking for complicated or long answers, just what to take into account when making a world with a stronger field so I can more accurately depict the functionality and usage of radio technologies (if they can coexist with the field, that is).
earth-like electromagnetism radio
edited Mar 1 at 21:19
Cyn
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asked Mar 1 at 19:29
El NitromanteEl Nitromante
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Lets say the Earth's magnetic field was stronger without specifying how much stronger.
How would have this affected the development of radio transmissions?
Would a much stronger field completely forbid humanity from using any kind of radio signal?
Would a moderately stronger field change certain aspects of the radio as we know it, perhaps limiting it in some way?
- I just can't find anything specific on the way it affects it so I'm not looking for complicated or long answers, just what to take into account when making a world with a stronger field so I can more accurately depict the functionality and usage of radio technologies (if they can coexist with the field, that is).
earth-like electromagnetism radio
earth-like electromagnetism radio
edited Mar 1 at 21:19
Cyn
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El NitromanteEl Nitromante
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edited Mar 1 at 21:19
Cyn
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El NitromanteEl Nitromante
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edited Mar 1 at 21:19
Cyn
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Cyn
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edited Mar 1 at 21:19
Cyn
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9,95612246
asked Mar 1 at 19:29
El NitromanteEl Nitromante
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asked Mar 1 at 19:29
El NitromanteEl Nitromante
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asked Mar 1 at 19:29
El NitromanteEl Nitromante
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" without specifying how much stronger." - so you want specific answer about explicitly unspecified change?
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– Mołot
Mar 1 at 19:33
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@Mołot I just want to know the basics of the interaction between radio and magnetism to figure out if it would limit or prohibit the development of radio as we know it in an alternative Earth (if it even does affect it which seems like a no from the answer of Nex Terren)
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– El Nitromante
Mar 1 at 19:57
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The magnetic field of the planet, by itself, does not have any influence on the generation or propagation of radio waves. Second order effects do exist, but they are quite unlikely to pose any unsolvable problems; for example, if the magnetic field is immensely stronger than Earth's (say, thousands of times stronger) then the electromagnetic noise (= "static") produced by charged particles coming from outer space may be quite strong; but at such insane intensities you have other much more pressing problems -- for example, using iron tools becomes problematic...
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– AlexP
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" without specifying how much stronger." - so you want specific answer about explicitly unspecified change?
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– Mołot
Mar 1 at 19:33
1
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@Mołot I just want to know the basics of the interaction between radio and magnetism to figure out if it would limit or prohibit the development of radio as we know it in an alternative Earth (if it even does affect it which seems like a no from the answer of Nex Terren)
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– El Nitromante
Mar 1 at 19:57
3
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The magnetic field of the planet, by itself, does not have any influence on the generation or propagation of radio waves. Second order effects do exist, but they are quite unlikely to pose any unsolvable problems; for example, if the magnetic field is immensely stronger than Earth's (say, thousands of times stronger) then the electromagnetic noise (= "static") produced by charged particles coming from outer space may be quite strong; but at such insane intensities you have other much more pressing problems -- for example, using iron tools becomes problematic...
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– AlexP
Mar 1 at 20:27
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" without specifying how much stronger." - so you want specific answer about explicitly unspecified change?
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– Mołot
Mar 1 at 19:33
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" without specifying how much stronger." - so you want specific answer about explicitly unspecified change?
$endgroup$
– Mołot
Mar 1 at 19:33
1
1
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@Mołot I just want to know the basics of the interaction between radio and magnetism to figure out if it would limit or prohibit the development of radio as we know it in an alternative Earth (if it even does affect it which seems like a no from the answer of Nex Terren)
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– El Nitromante
Mar 1 at 19:57
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@Mołot I just want to know the basics of the interaction between radio and magnetism to figure out if it would limit or prohibit the development of radio as we know it in an alternative Earth (if it even does affect it which seems like a no from the answer of Nex Terren)
$endgroup$
– El Nitromante
Mar 1 at 19:57
3
3
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The magnetic field of the planet, by itself, does not have any influence on the generation or propagation of radio waves. Second order effects do exist, but they are quite unlikely to pose any unsolvable problems; for example, if the magnetic field is immensely stronger than Earth's (say, thousands of times stronger) then the electromagnetic noise (= "static") produced by charged particles coming from outer space may be quite strong; but at such insane intensities you have other much more pressing problems -- for example, using iron tools becomes problematic...
$endgroup$
– AlexP
Mar 1 at 20:27
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The magnetic field of the planet, by itself, does not have any influence on the generation or propagation of radio waves. Second order effects do exist, but they are quite unlikely to pose any unsolvable problems; for example, if the magnetic field is immensely stronger than Earth's (say, thousands of times stronger) then the electromagnetic noise (= "static") produced by charged particles coming from outer space may be quite strong; but at such insane intensities you have other much more pressing problems -- for example, using iron tools becomes problematic...
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– AlexP
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From NOAA's page on Geomagnetic Storms:
A geomagnetic storm is a major disturbance of Earth's magnetosphere that occurs when there is a very efficient exchange of energy from the solar wind into the space environment surrounding Earth. These storms result from variations in the solar wind that produces major changes in the currents, plasmas, and fields in Earth’s magnetosphere. The solar wind conditions that are effective for creating geomagnetic storms are sustained (for several to many hours) periods of high-speed solar wind, and most importantly, a southward directed solar wind magnetic field (opposite the direction of Earth’s field) at the dayside of the magnetosphere. This condition is effective for transferring energy from the solar wind into Earth’s magnetosphere.
The largest storms that result from these conditions are associated with solar coronal mass ejections (CMEs) where a billion tons or so of plasma from the sun, with its embedded magnetic field, arrives at Earth. CMEs typically take several days to arrive at Earth, but have been observed, for some of the most intense storms, to arrive in as short as 18 hours. Another solar wind disturbance that creates conditions favorable to geomagnetic storms is a high-speed solar wind stream (HSS). HSSs plow into the slower solar wind in front and create co-rotating interaction regions, or CIRs. These regions are often related to geomagnetic storms that while less intense than CME storms, often can deposit more energy in Earth’s magnetosphere over a longer interval.
Storms also result in intense currents in the magnetosphere, changes in the radiation belts, and changes in the ionosphere, including heating the ionosphere and upper atmosphere region called the thermosphere. In space, a ring of westward current around Earth produces magnetic disturbances on the ground. A measure of this current, the disturbance storm time (Dst) index, has been used historically to characterize the size of a geomagnetic storm. In addition, there are currents produced in the magnetosphere that follow the magnetic field, called field-aligned currents, and these connect to intense currents in the auroral ionosphere. These auroral currents, called the auroral electrojets, also produce large magnetic disturbances. Together, all of these currents, and the magnetic deviations they produce on the ground, are used to generate a planetary geomagnetic disturbance index called Kp. This index is the basis for one of the three NOAA Space Weather Scales, the Geomagnetic Storm, or G-Scale, that is used to describe space weather that can disrupt systems on Earth.
During storms, the currents in the ionosphere, as well as the energetic particles that precipitate into the ionosphere add energy in the form of heat that can increase the density and distribution of density in the upper atmosphere, causing extra drag on satellites in low-earth orbit. The local heating also creates strong horizontal variations in the in the ionospheric density that can modify the path of radio signals and create errors in the positioning information provided by GPS. While the storms create beautiful aurora, they also can disrupt navigation systems such as the Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) and create harmful geomagnetic induced currents (GICs) in the power grid and pipelines.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impacts/hf-radio-communications
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms
And this is from NOAA's section on Solar Flares in specific:
Solar flares are large eruptions of electromagnetic radiation from the Sun lasting from minutes to hours. The sudden outburst of electromagnetic energy travels at the speed of light, therefore any effect upon the sunlit side of Earth’s exposed outer atmosphere occurs at the same time the event is observed. The increased level of X-ray and extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation results in ionization in the lower layers of the ionosphere on the sunlit side of Earth. Under normal conditions, high frequency (HF) radio waves are able to support communication over long distances by refraction via the upper layers of the ionosphere. When a strong enough solar flare occurs, ionization is produced in the lower, more dense layers of the ionosphere (the D-layer), and radio waves that interact with electrons in layers lose energy due to the more frequent collisions that occur in the higher density environment of the D-layer. This can cause HF radio signals to become degraded or completely absorbed. This results in a radio blackout – the absence of HF communication, primarily impacting the 3 to 30 MHz band. The D-RAP (D-Region Absorption Prediction) product correlates flare intensity to D-layer absorption strength and spread.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/solar-flares-radio-blackouts
I'll add a personal note here: my father was a radio engineer in the 50's and 60's, working on what was then cutting edge tech - tropospheric scatter stations - and a problem they encountered periodically was unpredictable "radio curtains" which would occur due to magnetosphere fluctuations and which would temporarily either block signal or worse, act as perfect mirrors, overwhelming the sensitive receivers with massive signal overload - so I feel like we can say that the Earth's magnetosphere has some pretty profound impacts on radio based communication not just years ago but today, based on the NOAA data.
answered Mar 1 at 20:10
GerardFallaGerardFalla
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
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Jupiter has a very strong magnetic field due to its liquid hydrogen core. This causes charged particles to be accelerated along the field lines, which in turn generates synchrotron radiation in the radio wavelength regime (which would act to jam any radio signal). It's a good real life example of the effect a very strong planetary magnetic field could have on radio communication see here.
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Directly, it won't.
Magnetic waves do not affect radio frequencies. We can find numerous discussions on this topic (A, B, C, D), but in summary, magnets might affect an antenna to a limited degree, but will not affect the actual RF frequencies/information encoding themselves, and should have minimal direct effect on the development of RF technologies.
answered Mar 1 at 19:35
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The actual generation and reception of radio: Not much.
If the Earth had a much stronger mag field, then solar storms would have a smaller effect.
The sun, both through ionizing the upper atmosphere directly, and through the solar wind bombardment controls the density and height of the ionosphere. This in turn controls the skip of radio waves, bouncing between earth and ionosphere. On an airless planet, all radio is line of sight (Ok, some slight difraction effects.) On a planet with no ionized layer part way up, also line of site.
On a planet with lots of ionization right down to the surface, radio would be absorbed or scattered.
The magnetic field controls the interaction between the sun and the atmosphere. Less mag field, less predictable radio transmission.
answered Mar 1 at 20:50
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
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To expound upon Nex Terrans wonderfully stated answer. Magnetism effects matter. Radio is a type of light of a wavelength outside the visible spectrum. If you want to disrupt it you need gravity in the magnitude of a black hole, which is utterly infeasible on a planet, or you can use other light waves to scatter it. Basically a force that affects only matter has no role in the movement/dispertion/behavior of light.
here are some basic references:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetism?s=t
https://www.britastro.org/radio/images/spectrum.jpg
https://www.geo.arizona.edu/xtal/nats101/6_11.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg/330px-EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg.png
I hope this helps :)
answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
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From NOAA's page on Geomagnetic Storms:
A geomagnetic storm is a major disturbance of Earth's magnetosphere that occurs when there is a very efficient exchange of energy from the solar wind into the space environment surrounding Earth. These storms result from variations in the solar wind that produces major changes in the currents, plasmas, and fields in Earth’s magnetosphere. The solar wind conditions that are effective for creating geomagnetic storms are sustained (for several to many hours) periods of high-speed solar wind, and most importantly, a southward directed solar wind magnetic field (opposite the direction of Earth’s field) at the dayside of the magnetosphere. This condition is effective for transferring energy from the solar wind into Earth’s magnetosphere.
The largest storms that result from these conditions are associated with solar coronal mass ejections (CMEs) where a billion tons or so of plasma from the sun, with its embedded magnetic field, arrives at Earth. CMEs typically take several days to arrive at Earth, but have been observed, for some of the most intense storms, to arrive in as short as 18 hours. Another solar wind disturbance that creates conditions favorable to geomagnetic storms is a high-speed solar wind stream (HSS). HSSs plow into the slower solar wind in front and create co-rotating interaction regions, or CIRs. These regions are often related to geomagnetic storms that while less intense than CME storms, often can deposit more energy in Earth’s magnetosphere over a longer interval.
Storms also result in intense currents in the magnetosphere, changes in the radiation belts, and changes in the ionosphere, including heating the ionosphere and upper atmosphere region called the thermosphere. In space, a ring of westward current around Earth produces magnetic disturbances on the ground. A measure of this current, the disturbance storm time (Dst) index, has been used historically to characterize the size of a geomagnetic storm. In addition, there are currents produced in the magnetosphere that follow the magnetic field, called field-aligned currents, and these connect to intense currents in the auroral ionosphere. These auroral currents, called the auroral electrojets, also produce large magnetic disturbances. Together, all of these currents, and the magnetic deviations they produce on the ground, are used to generate a planetary geomagnetic disturbance index called Kp. This index is the basis for one of the three NOAA Space Weather Scales, the Geomagnetic Storm, or G-Scale, that is used to describe space weather that can disrupt systems on Earth.
During storms, the currents in the ionosphere, as well as the energetic particles that precipitate into the ionosphere add energy in the form of heat that can increase the density and distribution of density in the upper atmosphere, causing extra drag on satellites in low-earth orbit. The local heating also creates strong horizontal variations in the in the ionospheric density that can modify the path of radio signals and create errors in the positioning information provided by GPS. While the storms create beautiful aurora, they also can disrupt navigation systems such as the Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) and create harmful geomagnetic induced currents (GICs) in the power grid and pipelines.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impacts/hf-radio-communications
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms
And this is from NOAA's section on Solar Flares in specific:
Solar flares are large eruptions of electromagnetic radiation from the Sun lasting from minutes to hours. The sudden outburst of electromagnetic energy travels at the speed of light, therefore any effect upon the sunlit side of Earth’s exposed outer atmosphere occurs at the same time the event is observed. The increased level of X-ray and extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation results in ionization in the lower layers of the ionosphere on the sunlit side of Earth. Under normal conditions, high frequency (HF) radio waves are able to support communication over long distances by refraction via the upper layers of the ionosphere. When a strong enough solar flare occurs, ionization is produced in the lower, more dense layers of the ionosphere (the D-layer), and radio waves that interact with electrons in layers lose energy due to the more frequent collisions that occur in the higher density environment of the D-layer. This can cause HF radio signals to become degraded or completely absorbed. This results in a radio blackout – the absence of HF communication, primarily impacting the 3 to 30 MHz band. The D-RAP (D-Region Absorption Prediction) product correlates flare intensity to D-layer absorption strength and spread.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/solar-flares-radio-blackouts
I'll add a personal note here: my father was a radio engineer in the 50's and 60's, working on what was then cutting edge tech - tropospheric scatter stations - and a problem they encountered periodically was unpredictable "radio curtains" which would occur due to magnetosphere fluctuations and which would temporarily either block signal or worse, act as perfect mirrors, overwhelming the sensitive receivers with massive signal overload - so I feel like we can say that the Earth's magnetosphere has some pretty profound impacts on radio based communication not just years ago but today, based on the NOAA data.
answered Mar 1 at 20:10
GerardFallaGerardFalla
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
Mar 2 at 7:47
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
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– GerardFalla
Mar 2 at 16:54
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From NOAA's page on Geomagnetic Storms:
A geomagnetic storm is a major disturbance of Earth's magnetosphere that occurs when there is a very efficient exchange of energy from the solar wind into the space environment surrounding Earth. These storms result from variations in the solar wind that produces major changes in the currents, plasmas, and fields in Earth’s magnetosphere. The solar wind conditions that are effective for creating geomagnetic storms are sustained (for several to many hours) periods of high-speed solar wind, and most importantly, a southward directed solar wind magnetic field (opposite the direction of Earth’s field) at the dayside of the magnetosphere. This condition is effective for transferring energy from the solar wind into Earth’s magnetosphere.
The largest storms that result from these conditions are associated with solar coronal mass ejections (CMEs) where a billion tons or so of plasma from the sun, with its embedded magnetic field, arrives at Earth. CMEs typically take several days to arrive at Earth, but have been observed, for some of the most intense storms, to arrive in as short as 18 hours. Another solar wind disturbance that creates conditions favorable to geomagnetic storms is a high-speed solar wind stream (HSS). HSSs plow into the slower solar wind in front and create co-rotating interaction regions, or CIRs. These regions are often related to geomagnetic storms that while less intense than CME storms, often can deposit more energy in Earth’s magnetosphere over a longer interval.
Storms also result in intense currents in the magnetosphere, changes in the radiation belts, and changes in the ionosphere, including heating the ionosphere and upper atmosphere region called the thermosphere. In space, a ring of westward current around Earth produces magnetic disturbances on the ground. A measure of this current, the disturbance storm time (Dst) index, has been used historically to characterize the size of a geomagnetic storm. In addition, there are currents produced in the magnetosphere that follow the magnetic field, called field-aligned currents, and these connect to intense currents in the auroral ionosphere. These auroral currents, called the auroral electrojets, also produce large magnetic disturbances. Together, all of these currents, and the magnetic deviations they produce on the ground, are used to generate a planetary geomagnetic disturbance index called Kp. This index is the basis for one of the three NOAA Space Weather Scales, the Geomagnetic Storm, or G-Scale, that is used to describe space weather that can disrupt systems on Earth.
During storms, the currents in the ionosphere, as well as the energetic particles that precipitate into the ionosphere add energy in the form of heat that can increase the density and distribution of density in the upper atmosphere, causing extra drag on satellites in low-earth orbit. The local heating also creates strong horizontal variations in the in the ionospheric density that can modify the path of radio signals and create errors in the positioning information provided by GPS. While the storms create beautiful aurora, they also can disrupt navigation systems such as the Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) and create harmful geomagnetic induced currents (GICs) in the power grid and pipelines.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impacts/hf-radio-communications
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms
And this is from NOAA's section on Solar Flares in specific:
Solar flares are large eruptions of electromagnetic radiation from the Sun lasting from minutes to hours. The sudden outburst of electromagnetic energy travels at the speed of light, therefore any effect upon the sunlit side of Earth’s exposed outer atmosphere occurs at the same time the event is observed. The increased level of X-ray and extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation results in ionization in the lower layers of the ionosphere on the sunlit side of Earth. Under normal conditions, high frequency (HF) radio waves are able to support communication over long distances by refraction via the upper layers of the ionosphere. When a strong enough solar flare occurs, ionization is produced in the lower, more dense layers of the ionosphere (the D-layer), and radio waves that interact with electrons in layers lose energy due to the more frequent collisions that occur in the higher density environment of the D-layer. This can cause HF radio signals to become degraded or completely absorbed. This results in a radio blackout – the absence of HF communication, primarily impacting the 3 to 30 MHz band. The D-RAP (D-Region Absorption Prediction) product correlates flare intensity to D-layer absorption strength and spread.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/solar-flares-radio-blackouts
I'll add a personal note here: my father was a radio engineer in the 50's and 60's, working on what was then cutting edge tech - tropospheric scatter stations - and a problem they encountered periodically was unpredictable "radio curtains" which would occur due to magnetosphere fluctuations and which would temporarily either block signal or worse, act as perfect mirrors, overwhelming the sensitive receivers with massive signal overload - so I feel like we can say that the Earth's magnetosphere has some pretty profound impacts on radio based communication not just years ago but today, based on the NOAA data.
answered Mar 1 at 20:10
GerardFallaGerardFalla
4,422729
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
Mar 2 at 7:47
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
$endgroup$
– GerardFalla
Mar 2 at 16:54
add a comment |
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From NOAA's page on Geomagnetic Storms:
A geomagnetic storm is a major disturbance of Earth's magnetosphere that occurs when there is a very efficient exchange of energy from the solar wind into the space environment surrounding Earth. These storms result from variations in the solar wind that produces major changes in the currents, plasmas, and fields in Earth’s magnetosphere. The solar wind conditions that are effective for creating geomagnetic storms are sustained (for several to many hours) periods of high-speed solar wind, and most importantly, a southward directed solar wind magnetic field (opposite the direction of Earth’s field) at the dayside of the magnetosphere. This condition is effective for transferring energy from the solar wind into Earth’s magnetosphere.
The largest storms that result from these conditions are associated with solar coronal mass ejections (CMEs) where a billion tons or so of plasma from the sun, with its embedded magnetic field, arrives at Earth. CMEs typically take several days to arrive at Earth, but have been observed, for some of the most intense storms, to arrive in as short as 18 hours. Another solar wind disturbance that creates conditions favorable to geomagnetic storms is a high-speed solar wind stream (HSS). HSSs plow into the slower solar wind in front and create co-rotating interaction regions, or CIRs. These regions are often related to geomagnetic storms that while less intense than CME storms, often can deposit more energy in Earth’s magnetosphere over a longer interval.
Storms also result in intense currents in the magnetosphere, changes in the radiation belts, and changes in the ionosphere, including heating the ionosphere and upper atmosphere region called the thermosphere. In space, a ring of westward current around Earth produces magnetic disturbances on the ground. A measure of this current, the disturbance storm time (Dst) index, has been used historically to characterize the size of a geomagnetic storm. In addition, there are currents produced in the magnetosphere that follow the magnetic field, called field-aligned currents, and these connect to intense currents in the auroral ionosphere. These auroral currents, called the auroral electrojets, also produce large magnetic disturbances. Together, all of these currents, and the magnetic deviations they produce on the ground, are used to generate a planetary geomagnetic disturbance index called Kp. This index is the basis for one of the three NOAA Space Weather Scales, the Geomagnetic Storm, or G-Scale, that is used to describe space weather that can disrupt systems on Earth.
During storms, the currents in the ionosphere, as well as the energetic particles that precipitate into the ionosphere add energy in the form of heat that can increase the density and distribution of density in the upper atmosphere, causing extra drag on satellites in low-earth orbit. The local heating also creates strong horizontal variations in the in the ionospheric density that can modify the path of radio signals and create errors in the positioning information provided by GPS. While the storms create beautiful aurora, they also can disrupt navigation systems such as the Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) and create harmful geomagnetic induced currents (GICs) in the power grid and pipelines.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impacts/hf-radio-communications
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms
And this is from NOAA's section on Solar Flares in specific:
Solar flares are large eruptions of electromagnetic radiation from the Sun lasting from minutes to hours. The sudden outburst of electromagnetic energy travels at the speed of light, therefore any effect upon the sunlit side of Earth’s exposed outer atmosphere occurs at the same time the event is observed. The increased level of X-ray and extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation results in ionization in the lower layers of the ionosphere on the sunlit side of Earth. Under normal conditions, high frequency (HF) radio waves are able to support communication over long distances by refraction via the upper layers of the ionosphere. When a strong enough solar flare occurs, ionization is produced in the lower, more dense layers of the ionosphere (the D-layer), and radio waves that interact with electrons in layers lose energy due to the more frequent collisions that occur in the higher density environment of the D-layer. This can cause HF radio signals to become degraded or completely absorbed. This results in a radio blackout – the absence of HF communication, primarily impacting the 3 to 30 MHz band. The D-RAP (D-Region Absorption Prediction) product correlates flare intensity to D-layer absorption strength and spread.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/solar-flares-radio-blackouts
I'll add a personal note here: my father was a radio engineer in the 50's and 60's, working on what was then cutting edge tech - tropospheric scatter stations - and a problem they encountered periodically was unpredictable "radio curtains" which would occur due to magnetosphere fluctuations and which would temporarily either block signal or worse, act as perfect mirrors, overwhelming the sensitive receivers with massive signal overload - so I feel like we can say that the Earth's magnetosphere has some pretty profound impacts on radio based communication not just years ago but today, based on the NOAA data.
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From NOAA's page on Geomagnetic Storms:
A geomagnetic storm is a major disturbance of Earth's magnetosphere that occurs when there is a very efficient exchange of energy from the solar wind into the space environment surrounding Earth. These storms result from variations in the solar wind that produces major changes in the currents, plasmas, and fields in Earth’s magnetosphere. The solar wind conditions that are effective for creating geomagnetic storms are sustained (for several to many hours) periods of high-speed solar wind, and most importantly, a southward directed solar wind magnetic field (opposite the direction of Earth’s field) at the dayside of the magnetosphere. This condition is effective for transferring energy from the solar wind into Earth’s magnetosphere.
The largest storms that result from these conditions are associated with solar coronal mass ejections (CMEs) where a billion tons or so of plasma from the sun, with its embedded magnetic field, arrives at Earth. CMEs typically take several days to arrive at Earth, but have been observed, for some of the most intense storms, to arrive in as short as 18 hours. Another solar wind disturbance that creates conditions favorable to geomagnetic storms is a high-speed solar wind stream (HSS). HSSs plow into the slower solar wind in front and create co-rotating interaction regions, or CIRs. These regions are often related to geomagnetic storms that while less intense than CME storms, often can deposit more energy in Earth’s magnetosphere over a longer interval.
Storms also result in intense currents in the magnetosphere, changes in the radiation belts, and changes in the ionosphere, including heating the ionosphere and upper atmosphere region called the thermosphere. In space, a ring of westward current around Earth produces magnetic disturbances on the ground. A measure of this current, the disturbance storm time (Dst) index, has been used historically to characterize the size of a geomagnetic storm. In addition, there are currents produced in the magnetosphere that follow the magnetic field, called field-aligned currents, and these connect to intense currents in the auroral ionosphere. These auroral currents, called the auroral electrojets, also produce large magnetic disturbances. Together, all of these currents, and the magnetic deviations they produce on the ground, are used to generate a planetary geomagnetic disturbance index called Kp. This index is the basis for one of the three NOAA Space Weather Scales, the Geomagnetic Storm, or G-Scale, that is used to describe space weather that can disrupt systems on Earth.
During storms, the currents in the ionosphere, as well as the energetic particles that precipitate into the ionosphere add energy in the form of heat that can increase the density and distribution of density in the upper atmosphere, causing extra drag on satellites in low-earth orbit. The local heating also creates strong horizontal variations in the in the ionospheric density that can modify the path of radio signals and create errors in the positioning information provided by GPS. While the storms create beautiful aurora, they also can disrupt navigation systems such as the Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) and create harmful geomagnetic induced currents (GICs) in the power grid and pipelines.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impacts/hf-radio-communications
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/geomagnetic-storms
And this is from NOAA's section on Solar Flares in specific:
Solar flares are large eruptions of electromagnetic radiation from the Sun lasting from minutes to hours. The sudden outburst of electromagnetic energy travels at the speed of light, therefore any effect upon the sunlit side of Earth’s exposed outer atmosphere occurs at the same time the event is observed. The increased level of X-ray and extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation results in ionization in the lower layers of the ionosphere on the sunlit side of Earth. Under normal conditions, high frequency (HF) radio waves are able to support communication over long distances by refraction via the upper layers of the ionosphere. When a strong enough solar flare occurs, ionization is produced in the lower, more dense layers of the ionosphere (the D-layer), and radio waves that interact with electrons in layers lose energy due to the more frequent collisions that occur in the higher density environment of the D-layer. This can cause HF radio signals to become degraded or completely absorbed. This results in a radio blackout – the absence of HF communication, primarily impacting the 3 to 30 MHz band. The D-RAP (D-Region Absorption Prediction) product correlates flare intensity to D-layer absorption strength and spread.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/solar-flares-radio-blackouts
I'll add a personal note here: my father was a radio engineer in the 50's and 60's, working on what was then cutting edge tech - tropospheric scatter stations - and a problem they encountered periodically was unpredictable "radio curtains" which would occur due to magnetosphere fluctuations and which would temporarily either block signal or worse, act as perfect mirrors, overwhelming the sensitive receivers with massive signal overload - so I feel like we can say that the Earth's magnetosphere has some pretty profound impacts on radio based communication not just years ago but today, based on the NOAA data.
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
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– GerardFalla
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
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he might have encountered effects in the 50's & 60's that we don't see anymore, b/c of nuclear tests like starfish prime
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– Nathan Smith
Mar 2 at 7:47
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
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– GerardFalla
Mar 2 at 16:54
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@NathanSmith given he was at the time located in the Bahamas it’s low probability but not impossible.
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Jupiter has a very strong magnetic field due to its liquid hydrogen core. This causes charged particles to be accelerated along the field lines, which in turn generates synchrotron radiation in the radio wavelength regime (which would act to jam any radio signal). It's a good real life example of the effect a very strong planetary magnetic field could have on radio communication see here.
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Jupiter has a very strong magnetic field due to its liquid hydrogen core. This causes charged particles to be accelerated along the field lines, which in turn generates synchrotron radiation in the radio wavelength regime (which would act to jam any radio signal). It's a good real life example of the effect a very strong planetary magnetic field could have on radio communication see here.
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Jupiter has a very strong magnetic field due to its liquid hydrogen core. This causes charged particles to be accelerated along the field lines, which in turn generates synchrotron radiation in the radio wavelength regime (which would act to jam any radio signal). It's a good real life example of the effect a very strong planetary magnetic field could have on radio communication see here.
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Jupiter has a very strong magnetic field due to its liquid hydrogen core. This causes charged particles to be accelerated along the field lines, which in turn generates synchrotron radiation in the radio wavelength regime (which would act to jam any radio signal). It's a good real life example of the effect a very strong planetary magnetic field could have on radio communication see here.
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Directly, it won't.
Magnetic waves do not affect radio frequencies. We can find numerous discussions on this topic (A, B, C, D), but in summary, magnets might affect an antenna to a limited degree, but will not affect the actual RF frequencies/information encoding themselves, and should have minimal direct effect on the development of RF technologies.
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Directly, it won't.
Magnetic waves do not affect radio frequencies. We can find numerous discussions on this topic (A, B, C, D), but in summary, magnets might affect an antenna to a limited degree, but will not affect the actual RF frequencies/information encoding themselves, and should have minimal direct effect on the development of RF technologies.
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Directly, it won't.
Magnetic waves do not affect radio frequencies. We can find numerous discussions on this topic (A, B, C, D), but in summary, magnets might affect an antenna to a limited degree, but will not affect the actual RF frequencies/information encoding themselves, and should have minimal direct effect on the development of RF technologies.
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Directly, it won't.
Magnetic waves do not affect radio frequencies. We can find numerous discussions on this topic (A, B, C, D), but in summary, magnets might affect an antenna to a limited degree, but will not affect the actual RF frequencies/information encoding themselves, and should have minimal direct effect on the development of RF technologies.
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The actual generation and reception of radio: Not much.
If the Earth had a much stronger mag field, then solar storms would have a smaller effect.
The sun, both through ionizing the upper atmosphere directly, and through the solar wind bombardment controls the density and height of the ionosphere. This in turn controls the skip of radio waves, bouncing between earth and ionosphere. On an airless planet, all radio is line of sight (Ok, some slight difraction effects.) On a planet with no ionized layer part way up, also line of site.
On a planet with lots of ionization right down to the surface, radio would be absorbed or scattered.
The magnetic field controls the interaction between the sun and the atmosphere. Less mag field, less predictable radio transmission.
answered Mar 1 at 20:50
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
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The actual generation and reception of radio: Not much.
If the Earth had a much stronger mag field, then solar storms would have a smaller effect.
The sun, both through ionizing the upper atmosphere directly, and through the solar wind bombardment controls the density and height of the ionosphere. This in turn controls the skip of radio waves, bouncing between earth and ionosphere. On an airless planet, all radio is line of sight (Ok, some slight difraction effects.) On a planet with no ionized layer part way up, also line of site.
On a planet with lots of ionization right down to the surface, radio would be absorbed or scattered.
The magnetic field controls the interaction between the sun and the atmosphere. Less mag field, less predictable radio transmission.
answered Mar 1 at 20:50
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
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The actual generation and reception of radio: Not much.
If the Earth had a much stronger mag field, then solar storms would have a smaller effect.
The sun, both through ionizing the upper atmosphere directly, and through the solar wind bombardment controls the density and height of the ionosphere. This in turn controls the skip of radio waves, bouncing between earth and ionosphere. On an airless planet, all radio is line of sight (Ok, some slight difraction effects.) On a planet with no ionized layer part way up, also line of site.
On a planet with lots of ionization right down to the surface, radio would be absorbed or scattered.
The magnetic field controls the interaction between the sun and the atmosphere. Less mag field, less predictable radio transmission.
answered Mar 1 at 20:50
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
7,048733
$endgroup$
The actual generation and reception of radio: Not much.
If the Earth had a much stronger mag field, then solar storms would have a smaller effect.
The sun, both through ionizing the upper atmosphere directly, and through the solar wind bombardment controls the density and height of the ionosphere. This in turn controls the skip of radio waves, bouncing between earth and ionosphere. On an airless planet, all radio is line of sight (Ok, some slight difraction effects.) On a planet with no ionized layer part way up, also line of site.
On a planet with lots of ionization right down to the surface, radio would be absorbed or scattered.
The magnetic field controls the interaction between the sun and the atmosphere. Less mag field, less predictable radio transmission.
answered Mar 1 at 20:50
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
7,048733
answered Mar 1 at 20:50
Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
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Sherwood BotsfordSherwood Botsford
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To expound upon Nex Terrans wonderfully stated answer. Magnetism effects matter. Radio is a type of light of a wavelength outside the visible spectrum. If you want to disrupt it you need gravity in the magnitude of a black hole, which is utterly infeasible on a planet, or you can use other light waves to scatter it. Basically a force that affects only matter has no role in the movement/dispertion/behavior of light.
here are some basic references:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetism?s=t
https://www.britastro.org/radio/images/spectrum.jpg
https://www.geo.arizona.edu/xtal/nats101/6_11.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg/330px-EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg.png
I hope this helps :)
answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
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To expound upon Nex Terrans wonderfully stated answer. Magnetism effects matter. Radio is a type of light of a wavelength outside the visible spectrum. If you want to disrupt it you need gravity in the magnitude of a black hole, which is utterly infeasible on a planet, or you can use other light waves to scatter it. Basically a force that affects only matter has no role in the movement/dispertion/behavior of light.
here are some basic references:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetism?s=t
https://www.britastro.org/radio/images/spectrum.jpg
https://www.geo.arizona.edu/xtal/nats101/6_11.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg/330px-EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg.png
I hope this helps :)
answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
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To expound upon Nex Terrans wonderfully stated answer. Magnetism effects matter. Radio is a type of light of a wavelength outside the visible spectrum. If you want to disrupt it you need gravity in the magnitude of a black hole, which is utterly infeasible on a planet, or you can use other light waves to scatter it. Basically a force that affects only matter has no role in the movement/dispertion/behavior of light.
here are some basic references:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetism?s=t
https://www.britastro.org/radio/images/spectrum.jpg
https://www.geo.arizona.edu/xtal/nats101/6_11.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg/330px-EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg.png
I hope this helps :)
answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
48112
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To expound upon Nex Terrans wonderfully stated answer. Magnetism effects matter. Radio is a type of light of a wavelength outside the visible spectrum. If you want to disrupt it you need gravity in the magnitude of a black hole, which is utterly infeasible on a planet, or you can use other light waves to scatter it. Basically a force that affects only matter has no role in the movement/dispertion/behavior of light.
here are some basic references:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetism?s=t
https://www.britastro.org/radio/images/spectrum.jpg
https://www.geo.arizona.edu/xtal/nats101/6_11.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg/330px-EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg.png
I hope this helps :)
answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
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answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
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answered Mar 1 at 20:16
Elias Rowan AlbatrossElias Rowan Albatross
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" without specifying how much stronger." - so you want specific answer about explicitly unspecified change?
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@Mołot I just want to know the basics of the interaction between radio and magnetism to figure out if it would limit or prohibit the development of radio as we know it in an alternative Earth (if it even does affect it which seems like a no from the answer of Nex Terren)
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The magnetic field of the planet, by itself, does not have any influence on the generation or propagation of radio waves. Second order effects do exist, but they are quite unlikely to pose any unsolvable problems; for example, if the magnetic field is immensely stronger than Earth's (say, thousands of times stronger) then the electromagnetic noise (= "static") produced by charged particles coming from outer space may be quite strong; but at such insane intensities you have other much more pressing problems -- for example, using iron tools becomes problematic...
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