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Let $E$ be the elliptic curve over $mathbb{F}_3$ in medium Weierstrass form $E:y^2=x^3+x^2+x+1$. How to compute the number of points $|E(mathbb{F}_{3^k})|$? I read that there are some formulas for computing number of points for short Weierstrass form by Frobenius endomorphism. But they don't work in this case.










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    Let $E$ be the elliptic curve over $mathbb{F}_3$ in medium Weierstrass form $E:y^2=x^3+x^2+x+1$. How to compute the number of points $|E(mathbb{F}_{3^k})|$? I read that there are some formulas for computing number of points for short Weierstrass form by Frobenius endomorphism. But they don't work in this case.










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      Let $E$ be the elliptic curve over $mathbb{F}_3$ in medium Weierstrass form $E:y^2=x^3+x^2+x+1$. How to compute the number of points $|E(mathbb{F}_{3^k})|$? I read that there are some formulas for computing number of points for short Weierstrass form by Frobenius endomorphism. But they don't work in this case.










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      Let $E$ be the elliptic curve over $mathbb{F}_3$ in medium Weierstrass form $E:y^2=x^3+x^2+x+1$. How to compute the number of points $|E(mathbb{F}_{3^k})|$? I read that there are some formulas for computing number of points for short Weierstrass form by Frobenius endomorphism. But they don't work in this case.







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          This is, indeed, easy after you have calculated the number of points over the prime field. It is straightforward to list them
          $$
          E(Bbb{F}_3)={(0,1),(0,-1),(1,1),(1,-1),(-1,0),infty}.
          $$

          In other words $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=6.$ This piece of information gives us the complex numbers
          $alpha,overline{alpha}$
          (see reuns's post for their interpretation as eigenvalues of Frobenius on the Tate module) as they are known to safisfy the equations $|alpha|^2=3$ and
          $$
          alpha+overline{alpha}=3+1-|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=-2.
          $$

          The real part of $alpha$ is thus equal to $-1$, so $alpha=-1pm isqrt2$.



          The formula for the number of rational poinst on the extension field then reads
          $$
          |E(Bbb{F}_{3^k})|=3^k+1-alpha^k-overline{alpha}^k=3^k+1-2operatorname{Re}(-1+isqrt2)^k.
          $$



          For example, when $k=2$, $alpha^2=(-1+isqrt2)^2=-1-2isqrt2$
          implying that $|E(Bbb{F}_9)|=9+1+2=12$. This passes the litmus test of being divisible by $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|$ (Lagrange's theorem from elementary group theory), possibly adding to our confidence in the correctness of the result.






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            Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
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            Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
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            Feb 28 at 9:56










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            Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
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            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 9:57










          • $begingroup$
            By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
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            – Nicky
            Feb 28 at 11:22










          • $begingroup$
            @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
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            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 13:00



















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          Let $phi^k(x,y)= (x^{3^k},y^{3^k})$ then $#E(mathbb{F}_{3^k}) =deg_s(phi^k-1)$. Is the endomorphism $phi^k-1$ separable ? Yes because inserapable endomorphisms are of the form $rho circ phi$. Then $$deg_s(phi^k-1) = deg(phi^k-1)=((phi^*)^k-1)(phi^k-1)\= (phi^*phi)^k+1-(phi^*)^k-phi^k = 3^k+1-alpha^k-(alpha^*)^k$$ where $phi^*$ is the dual isogeny such that $phi^* phi = deg(phi) = 3$ and $phi+phi^* = t = 3+1-#E(mathbb{F}_{3})$ and $alpha$ is the root of the minimal polynomial $X^2-t X + 3 = 0$ of the Frobenius



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               F := FiniteField(3); A<x,y> := AffineSpace(F,2);
          C := Curve(A,y^2-x^3-x^2-x-1);
          t :=3+1- #Points(ProjectiveClosure(C));
          P<z> := PolynomialRing(Integers()); K<a> := NumberField(z^2-t*z+3); aa := Norm(a)/a;

          for k in [2..10] do
          Ck := BaseChange(C,FiniteField(3^k));
          Ek := #Points(ProjectiveClosure(Ck));
          [Ek,3^k+1-a^k-aa^k];
          end for;


          To obtain the minimal polynomial of endomorphisms :



          Write that $E(overline{mathbb{F}_3}) $ is a subgroup of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}times mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ so any group homomorphism acts as a matrix
          $A=pmatrix{a & b \c & d} in M_2(widehat{mathbb{Z}})$ (matrix of profinite integers). Then the dual homomorphism is $A^*=pmatrix{d & -b \-c & a}$ so that $A^* A = pmatrix{ad-bc& 0 \ 0 & ad-bc}$ and $A + A^* = pmatrix{a+d & 0 \0 & a+d}$, so they both act as direct multiplication by an element in $widehat{mathbb{Z}}$. If $A$ is an endomorphism (defined by polynomial equations) then so are $A^*,A + A^*,A^*A$ so the latter must act as multiplication by elements in $mathbb{Z}$.






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            This is, indeed, easy after you have calculated the number of points over the prime field. It is straightforward to list them
            $$
            E(Bbb{F}_3)={(0,1),(0,-1),(1,1),(1,-1),(-1,0),infty}.
            $$

            In other words $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=6.$ This piece of information gives us the complex numbers
            $alpha,overline{alpha}$
            (see reuns's post for their interpretation as eigenvalues of Frobenius on the Tate module) as they are known to safisfy the equations $|alpha|^2=3$ and
            $$
            alpha+overline{alpha}=3+1-|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=-2.
            $$

            The real part of $alpha$ is thus equal to $-1$, so $alpha=-1pm isqrt2$.



            The formula for the number of rational poinst on the extension field then reads
            $$
            |E(Bbb{F}_{3^k})|=3^k+1-alpha^k-overline{alpha}^k=3^k+1-2operatorname{Re}(-1+isqrt2)^k.
            $$



            For example, when $k=2$, $alpha^2=(-1+isqrt2)^2=-1-2isqrt2$
            implying that $|E(Bbb{F}_9)|=9+1+2=12$. This passes the litmus test of being divisible by $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|$ (Lagrange's theorem from elementary group theory), possibly adding to our confidence in the correctness of the result.






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              Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
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              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 9:30










            • $begingroup$
              Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
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              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:56










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              Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:57










            • $begingroup$
              By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 11:22










            • $begingroup$
              @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 13:00
















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            $begingroup$

            This is, indeed, easy after you have calculated the number of points over the prime field. It is straightforward to list them
            $$
            E(Bbb{F}_3)={(0,1),(0,-1),(1,1),(1,-1),(-1,0),infty}.
            $$

            In other words $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=6.$ This piece of information gives us the complex numbers
            $alpha,overline{alpha}$
            (see reuns's post for their interpretation as eigenvalues of Frobenius on the Tate module) as they are known to safisfy the equations $|alpha|^2=3$ and
            $$
            alpha+overline{alpha}=3+1-|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=-2.
            $$

            The real part of $alpha$ is thus equal to $-1$, so $alpha=-1pm isqrt2$.



            The formula for the number of rational poinst on the extension field then reads
            $$
            |E(Bbb{F}_{3^k})|=3^k+1-alpha^k-overline{alpha}^k=3^k+1-2operatorname{Re}(-1+isqrt2)^k.
            $$



            For example, when $k=2$, $alpha^2=(-1+isqrt2)^2=-1-2isqrt2$
            implying that $|E(Bbb{F}_9)|=9+1+2=12$. This passes the litmus test of being divisible by $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|$ (Lagrange's theorem from elementary group theory), possibly adding to our confidence in the correctness of the result.






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            • $begingroup$
              Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 9:30










            • $begingroup$
              Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:56










            • $begingroup$
              Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:57










            • $begingroup$
              By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 11:22










            • $begingroup$
              @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 13:00














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            $begingroup$

            This is, indeed, easy after you have calculated the number of points over the prime field. It is straightforward to list them
            $$
            E(Bbb{F}_3)={(0,1),(0,-1),(1,1),(1,-1),(-1,0),infty}.
            $$

            In other words $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=6.$ This piece of information gives us the complex numbers
            $alpha,overline{alpha}$
            (see reuns's post for their interpretation as eigenvalues of Frobenius on the Tate module) as they are known to safisfy the equations $|alpha|^2=3$ and
            $$
            alpha+overline{alpha}=3+1-|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=-2.
            $$

            The real part of $alpha$ is thus equal to $-1$, so $alpha=-1pm isqrt2$.



            The formula for the number of rational poinst on the extension field then reads
            $$
            |E(Bbb{F}_{3^k})|=3^k+1-alpha^k-overline{alpha}^k=3^k+1-2operatorname{Re}(-1+isqrt2)^k.
            $$



            For example, when $k=2$, $alpha^2=(-1+isqrt2)^2=-1-2isqrt2$
            implying that $|E(Bbb{F}_9)|=9+1+2=12$. This passes the litmus test of being divisible by $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|$ (Lagrange's theorem from elementary group theory), possibly adding to our confidence in the correctness of the result.






            share|cite|improve this answer









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            This is, indeed, easy after you have calculated the number of points over the prime field. It is straightforward to list them
            $$
            E(Bbb{F}_3)={(0,1),(0,-1),(1,1),(1,-1),(-1,0),infty}.
            $$

            In other words $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=6.$ This piece of information gives us the complex numbers
            $alpha,overline{alpha}$
            (see reuns's post for their interpretation as eigenvalues of Frobenius on the Tate module) as they are known to safisfy the equations $|alpha|^2=3$ and
            $$
            alpha+overline{alpha}=3+1-|E(Bbb{F}_3)|=-2.
            $$

            The real part of $alpha$ is thus equal to $-1$, so $alpha=-1pm isqrt2$.



            The formula for the number of rational poinst on the extension field then reads
            $$
            |E(Bbb{F}_{3^k})|=3^k+1-alpha^k-overline{alpha}^k=3^k+1-2operatorname{Re}(-1+isqrt2)^k.
            $$



            For example, when $k=2$, $alpha^2=(-1+isqrt2)^2=-1-2isqrt2$
            implying that $|E(Bbb{F}_9)|=9+1+2=12$. This passes the litmus test of being divisible by $|E(Bbb{F}_3)|$ (Lagrange's theorem from elementary group theory), possibly adding to our confidence in the correctness of the result.







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              Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 9:30










            • $begingroup$
              Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:56










            • $begingroup$
              Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:57










            • $begingroup$
              By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 11:22










            • $begingroup$
              @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 13:00


















            • $begingroup$
              Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 9:30










            • $begingroup$
              Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:56










            • $begingroup$
              Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 9:57










            • $begingroup$
              By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
              $endgroup$
              – Nicky
              Feb 28 at 11:22










            • $begingroup$
              @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
              $endgroup$
              – Jyrki Lahtonen
              Feb 28 at 13:00
















            $begingroup$
            Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
            $endgroup$
            – Nicky
            Feb 28 at 9:30




            $begingroup$
            Can you list the point for $E(mathbb{F}_9)$ as well? I'm confused how to do that because I got 14 points instead of 12.
            $endgroup$
            – Nicky
            Feb 28 at 9:30












            $begingroup$
            Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
            $endgroup$
            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 9:56




            $begingroup$
            Let $i$ be a square root of $-1$ in $Bbb{F}_9$. When $x=pm i$ we get $y=0$ as the only choice of $y$. When $x=1pm i$ we get two choices for $y$. When $x=-pm i$ then it seems to me that $x^3+x^2+x+1$ is a non-square, so there are no points with such $x$.
            $endgroup$
            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 9:56












            $begingroup$
            Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
            $endgroup$
            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 9:57




            $begingroup$
            Anyway, that seems to be six points in $E(Bbb{F}_9)setminus E(Bbb{F}_3)$.
            $endgroup$
            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 9:57












            $begingroup$
            By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
            $endgroup$
            – Nicky
            Feb 28 at 11:22




            $begingroup$
            By the way, does this work for any form of elliptic curve? Sometimes I'm not sure because many results are discussed in short Weierstrass form and the cases for characteristics 2 and 3 are separated.
            $endgroup$
            – Nicky
            Feb 28 at 11:22












            $begingroup$
            @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
            $endgroup$
            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 13:00




            $begingroup$
            @Nicky In characteristics 2 and 3 short Weierstrass form does not exist. But this applies to the (not-so-short) Weierstrass form anyway.
            $endgroup$
            – Jyrki Lahtonen
            Feb 28 at 13:00











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            $begingroup$

            Let $phi^k(x,y)= (x^{3^k},y^{3^k})$ then $#E(mathbb{F}_{3^k}) =deg_s(phi^k-1)$. Is the endomorphism $phi^k-1$ separable ? Yes because inserapable endomorphisms are of the form $rho circ phi$. Then $$deg_s(phi^k-1) = deg(phi^k-1)=((phi^*)^k-1)(phi^k-1)\= (phi^*phi)^k+1-(phi^*)^k-phi^k = 3^k+1-alpha^k-(alpha^*)^k$$ where $phi^*$ is the dual isogeny such that $phi^* phi = deg(phi) = 3$ and $phi+phi^* = t = 3+1-#E(mathbb{F}_{3})$ and $alpha$ is the root of the minimal polynomial $X^2-t X + 3 = 0$ of the Frobenius



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                 F := FiniteField(3); A<x,y> := AffineSpace(F,2);
            C := Curve(A,y^2-x^3-x^2-x-1);
            t :=3+1- #Points(ProjectiveClosure(C));
            P<z> := PolynomialRing(Integers()); K<a> := NumberField(z^2-t*z+3); aa := Norm(a)/a;

            for k in [2..10] do
            Ck := BaseChange(C,FiniteField(3^k));
            Ek := #Points(ProjectiveClosure(Ck));
            [Ek,3^k+1-a^k-aa^k];
            end for;


            To obtain the minimal polynomial of endomorphisms :



            Write that $E(overline{mathbb{F}_3}) $ is a subgroup of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}times mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ so any group homomorphism acts as a matrix
            $A=pmatrix{a & b \c & d} in M_2(widehat{mathbb{Z}})$ (matrix of profinite integers). Then the dual homomorphism is $A^*=pmatrix{d & -b \-c & a}$ so that $A^* A = pmatrix{ad-bc& 0 \ 0 & ad-bc}$ and $A + A^* = pmatrix{a+d & 0 \0 & a+d}$, so they both act as direct multiplication by an element in $widehat{mathbb{Z}}$. If $A$ is an endomorphism (defined by polynomial equations) then so are $A^*,A + A^*,A^*A$ so the latter must act as multiplication by elements in $mathbb{Z}$.






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              $begingroup$

              Let $phi^k(x,y)= (x^{3^k},y^{3^k})$ then $#E(mathbb{F}_{3^k}) =deg_s(phi^k-1)$. Is the endomorphism $phi^k-1$ separable ? Yes because inserapable endomorphisms are of the form $rho circ phi$. Then $$deg_s(phi^k-1) = deg(phi^k-1)=((phi^*)^k-1)(phi^k-1)\= (phi^*phi)^k+1-(phi^*)^k-phi^k = 3^k+1-alpha^k-(alpha^*)^k$$ where $phi^*$ is the dual isogeny such that $phi^* phi = deg(phi) = 3$ and $phi+phi^* = t = 3+1-#E(mathbb{F}_{3})$ and $alpha$ is the root of the minimal polynomial $X^2-t X + 3 = 0$ of the Frobenius



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                   F := FiniteField(3); A<x,y> := AffineSpace(F,2);
              C := Curve(A,y^2-x^3-x^2-x-1);
              t :=3+1- #Points(ProjectiveClosure(C));
              P<z> := PolynomialRing(Integers()); K<a> := NumberField(z^2-t*z+3); aa := Norm(a)/a;

              for k in [2..10] do
              Ck := BaseChange(C,FiniteField(3^k));
              Ek := #Points(ProjectiveClosure(Ck));
              [Ek,3^k+1-a^k-aa^k];
              end for;


              To obtain the minimal polynomial of endomorphisms :



              Write that $E(overline{mathbb{F}_3}) $ is a subgroup of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}times mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ so any group homomorphism acts as a matrix
              $A=pmatrix{a & b \c & d} in M_2(widehat{mathbb{Z}})$ (matrix of profinite integers). Then the dual homomorphism is $A^*=pmatrix{d & -b \-c & a}$ so that $A^* A = pmatrix{ad-bc& 0 \ 0 & ad-bc}$ and $A + A^* = pmatrix{a+d & 0 \0 & a+d}$, so they both act as direct multiplication by an element in $widehat{mathbb{Z}}$. If $A$ is an endomorphism (defined by polynomial equations) then so are $A^*,A + A^*,A^*A$ so the latter must act as multiplication by elements in $mathbb{Z}$.






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                $begingroup$

                Let $phi^k(x,y)= (x^{3^k},y^{3^k})$ then $#E(mathbb{F}_{3^k}) =deg_s(phi^k-1)$. Is the endomorphism $phi^k-1$ separable ? Yes because inserapable endomorphisms are of the form $rho circ phi$. Then $$deg_s(phi^k-1) = deg(phi^k-1)=((phi^*)^k-1)(phi^k-1)\= (phi^*phi)^k+1-(phi^*)^k-phi^k = 3^k+1-alpha^k-(alpha^*)^k$$ where $phi^*$ is the dual isogeny such that $phi^* phi = deg(phi) = 3$ and $phi+phi^* = t = 3+1-#E(mathbb{F}_{3})$ and $alpha$ is the root of the minimal polynomial $X^2-t X + 3 = 0$ of the Frobenius



                magma code



                     F := FiniteField(3); A<x,y> := AffineSpace(F,2);
                C := Curve(A,y^2-x^3-x^2-x-1);
                t :=3+1- #Points(ProjectiveClosure(C));
                P<z> := PolynomialRing(Integers()); K<a> := NumberField(z^2-t*z+3); aa := Norm(a)/a;

                for k in [2..10] do
                Ck := BaseChange(C,FiniteField(3^k));
                Ek := #Points(ProjectiveClosure(Ck));
                [Ek,3^k+1-a^k-aa^k];
                end for;


                To obtain the minimal polynomial of endomorphisms :



                Write that $E(overline{mathbb{F}_3}) $ is a subgroup of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}times mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ so any group homomorphism acts as a matrix
                $A=pmatrix{a & b \c & d} in M_2(widehat{mathbb{Z}})$ (matrix of profinite integers). Then the dual homomorphism is $A^*=pmatrix{d & -b \-c & a}$ so that $A^* A = pmatrix{ad-bc& 0 \ 0 & ad-bc}$ and $A + A^* = pmatrix{a+d & 0 \0 & a+d}$, so they both act as direct multiplication by an element in $widehat{mathbb{Z}}$. If $A$ is an endomorphism (defined by polynomial equations) then so are $A^*,A + A^*,A^*A$ so the latter must act as multiplication by elements in $mathbb{Z}$.






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                $endgroup$



                Let $phi^k(x,y)= (x^{3^k},y^{3^k})$ then $#E(mathbb{F}_{3^k}) =deg_s(phi^k-1)$. Is the endomorphism $phi^k-1$ separable ? Yes because inserapable endomorphisms are of the form $rho circ phi$. Then $$deg_s(phi^k-1) = deg(phi^k-1)=((phi^*)^k-1)(phi^k-1)\= (phi^*phi)^k+1-(phi^*)^k-phi^k = 3^k+1-alpha^k-(alpha^*)^k$$ where $phi^*$ is the dual isogeny such that $phi^* phi = deg(phi) = 3$ and $phi+phi^* = t = 3+1-#E(mathbb{F}_{3})$ and $alpha$ is the root of the minimal polynomial $X^2-t X + 3 = 0$ of the Frobenius



                magma code



                     F := FiniteField(3); A<x,y> := AffineSpace(F,2);
                C := Curve(A,y^2-x^3-x^2-x-1);
                t :=3+1- #Points(ProjectiveClosure(C));
                P<z> := PolynomialRing(Integers()); K<a> := NumberField(z^2-t*z+3); aa := Norm(a)/a;

                for k in [2..10] do
                Ck := BaseChange(C,FiniteField(3^k));
                Ek := #Points(ProjectiveClosure(Ck));
                [Ek,3^k+1-a^k-aa^k];
                end for;


                To obtain the minimal polynomial of endomorphisms :



                Write that $E(overline{mathbb{F}_3}) $ is a subgroup of $mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}times mathbb{Q}/mathbb{Z}$ so any group homomorphism acts as a matrix
                $A=pmatrix{a & b \c & d} in M_2(widehat{mathbb{Z}})$ (matrix of profinite integers). Then the dual homomorphism is $A^*=pmatrix{d & -b \-c & a}$ so that $A^* A = pmatrix{ad-bc& 0 \ 0 & ad-bc}$ and $A + A^* = pmatrix{a+d & 0 \0 & a+d}$, so they both act as direct multiplication by an element in $widehat{mathbb{Z}}$. If $A$ is an endomorphism (defined by polynomial equations) then so are $A^*,A + A^*,A^*A$ so the latter must act as multiplication by elements in $mathbb{Z}$.







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