Show that the equation system $I:x^2-y^2=a;II: 2xy= b$ has always a solution $(x,y)in mathbb {R}^2$












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The statement must be false because if $b=0$ then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $x$ is $0$ we get from $I$ that $-y^2=aiff y^2 = -a$. Wouldn't that be a contradiction to the statement? Because if $a>0$ then there is no solution for the equation System, vice versa if $y=0$ and $a<0$.



For the general case I have assumed that $bneq 0$ and therefore from $II$ we get $y=frac{b}{2x}$, substituting with $I Longrightarrow x^2-(frac{b}{2x})^2=aiff 4x^4 - b^2 = 4x^2a iff x^4 -ax^2 - frac{b^2}{4}=0 (*)$



Completing the square



$(*)iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2}-frac{b^2}{4} iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2} +frac{a^2}{4}-frac{b^2}{4}-frac{a^2}{4}iff (x^2 - frac{a}{2})^2+frac{-b^2-a^2}{4}=0$



$Rightarrow x^2-frac{a}{2}=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}} Rightarrow x^2=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2} Rightarrow x = pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}}$



$IILongrightarrow y= frac{b}{2(pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}})}$



Can somebody tell my whether this Solutions are Right or not because when I have tried to verify it I end up with that term:



$frac{5a^2+a(5sqrtfrac{b^2+a^2}{4})(4sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2})}{4}$ which should be equal to $a$



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    For every $a,b in mathbb{R}$, you only need to find one solution. So if $b = 0$ and $a > 0$, then $x = sqrt{a}$, $y = 0$ is a solution. If $b = 0$ and $a < 0$, then $x = 0$, $y = sqrt{-a}$ is a solution.
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    "... then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $ x $ is $0 $ we get from I that $−y2 = a iff y2=−a$." The error in your reasoning was stopping here. You should have concluded that $y = 0$ must hold for $a > 0$ (remember, $x$ and $y$ are your choice).
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The statement must be false because if $b=0$ then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $x$ is $0$ we get from $I$ that $-y^2=aiff y^2 = -a$. Wouldn't that be a contradiction to the statement? Because if $a>0$ then there is no solution for the equation System, vice versa if $y=0$ and $a<0$.



For the general case I have assumed that $bneq 0$ and therefore from $II$ we get $y=frac{b}{2x}$, substituting with $I Longrightarrow x^2-(frac{b}{2x})^2=aiff 4x^4 - b^2 = 4x^2a iff x^4 -ax^2 - frac{b^2}{4}=0 (*)$



Completing the square



$(*)iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2}-frac{b^2}{4} iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2} +frac{a^2}{4}-frac{b^2}{4}-frac{a^2}{4}iff (x^2 - frac{a}{2})^2+frac{-b^2-a^2}{4}=0$



$Rightarrow x^2-frac{a}{2}=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}} Rightarrow x^2=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2} Rightarrow x = pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}}$



$IILongrightarrow y= frac{b}{2(pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}})}$



Can somebody tell my whether this Solutions are Right or not because when I have tried to verify it I end up with that term:



$frac{5a^2+a(5sqrtfrac{b^2+a^2}{4})(4sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2})}{4}$ which should be equal to $a$



Thank you for your time.










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    For every $a,b in mathbb{R}$, you only need to find one solution. So if $b = 0$ and $a > 0$, then $x = sqrt{a}$, $y = 0$ is a solution. If $b = 0$ and $a < 0$, then $x = 0$, $y = sqrt{-a}$ is a solution.
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    "... then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $ x $ is $0 $ we get from I that $−y2 = a iff y2=−a$." The error in your reasoning was stopping here. You should have concluded that $y = 0$ must hold for $a > 0$ (remember, $x$ and $y$ are your choice).
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The statement must be false because if $b=0$ then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $x$ is $0$ we get from $I$ that $-y^2=aiff y^2 = -a$. Wouldn't that be a contradiction to the statement? Because if $a>0$ then there is no solution for the equation System, vice versa if $y=0$ and $a<0$.



For the general case I have assumed that $bneq 0$ and therefore from $II$ we get $y=frac{b}{2x}$, substituting with $I Longrightarrow x^2-(frac{b}{2x})^2=aiff 4x^4 - b^2 = 4x^2a iff x^4 -ax^2 - frac{b^2}{4}=0 (*)$



Completing the square



$(*)iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2}-frac{b^2}{4} iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2} +frac{a^2}{4}-frac{b^2}{4}-frac{a^2}{4}iff (x^2 - frac{a}{2})^2+frac{-b^2-a^2}{4}=0$



$Rightarrow x^2-frac{a}{2}=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}} Rightarrow x^2=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2} Rightarrow x = pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}}$



$IILongrightarrow y= frac{b}{2(pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}})}$



Can somebody tell my whether this Solutions are Right or not because when I have tried to verify it I end up with that term:



$frac{5a^2+a(5sqrtfrac{b^2+a^2}{4})(4sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2})}{4}$ which should be equal to $a$



Thank you for your time.










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The statement must be false because if $b=0$ then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $x$ is $0$ we get from $I$ that $-y^2=aiff y^2 = -a$. Wouldn't that be a contradiction to the statement? Because if $a>0$ then there is no solution for the equation System, vice versa if $y=0$ and $a<0$.



For the general case I have assumed that $bneq 0$ and therefore from $II$ we get $y=frac{b}{2x}$, substituting with $I Longrightarrow x^2-(frac{b}{2x})^2=aiff 4x^4 - b^2 = 4x^2a iff x^4 -ax^2 - frac{b^2}{4}=0 (*)$



Completing the square



$(*)iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2}-frac{b^2}{4} iff x^4 - 2frac{ax^2}{2} +frac{a^2}{4}-frac{b^2}{4}-frac{a^2}{4}iff (x^2 - frac{a}{2})^2+frac{-b^2-a^2}{4}=0$



$Rightarrow x^2-frac{a}{2}=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}} Rightarrow x^2=sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2} Rightarrow x = pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}}$



$IILongrightarrow y= frac{b}{2(pm sqrt{sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2}})}$



Can somebody tell my whether this Solutions are Right or not because when I have tried to verify it I end up with that term:



$frac{5a^2+a(5sqrtfrac{b^2+a^2}{4})(4sqrt{frac{b^2+a^2}{4}}+frac{a}{2})}{4}$ which should be equal to $a$



Thank you for your time.







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    For every $a,b in mathbb{R}$, you only need to find one solution. So if $b = 0$ and $a > 0$, then $x = sqrt{a}$, $y = 0$ is a solution. If $b = 0$ and $a < 0$, then $x = 0$, $y = sqrt{-a}$ is a solution.
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    "... then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $ x $ is $0 $ we get from I that $−y2 = a iff y2=−a$." The error in your reasoning was stopping here. You should have concluded that $y = 0$ must hold for $a > 0$ (remember, $x$ and $y$ are your choice).
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    For every $a,b in mathbb{R}$, you only need to find one solution. So if $b = 0$ and $a > 0$, then $x = sqrt{a}$, $y = 0$ is a solution. If $b = 0$ and $a < 0$, then $x = 0$, $y = sqrt{-a}$ is a solution.
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    "... then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $ x $ is $0 $ we get from I that $−y2 = a iff y2=−a$." The error in your reasoning was stopping here. You should have concluded that $y = 0$ must hold for $a > 0$ (remember, $x$ and $y$ are your choice).
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For every $a,b in mathbb{R}$, you only need to find one solution. So if $b = 0$ and $a > 0$, then $x = sqrt{a}$, $y = 0$ is a solution. If $b = 0$ and $a < 0$, then $x = 0$, $y = sqrt{-a}$ is a solution.
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For every $a,b in mathbb{R}$, you only need to find one solution. So if $b = 0$ and $a > 0$, then $x = sqrt{a}$, $y = 0$ is a solution. If $b = 0$ and $a < 0$, then $x = 0$, $y = sqrt{-a}$ is a solution.
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"... then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $ x $ is $0 $ we get from I that $−y2 = a iff y2=−a$." The error in your reasoning was stopping here. You should have concluded that $y = 0$ must hold for $a > 0$ (remember, $x$ and $y$ are your choice).
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"... then $x$ or $y$ must be $0$. If $ x $ is $0 $ we get from I that $−y2 = a iff y2=−a$." The error in your reasoning was stopping here. You should have concluded that $y = 0$ must hold for $a > 0$ (remember, $x$ and $y$ are your choice).
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Actually, the statement is true even if $b=0$: just take $(x,y)=left(pmsqrt a,0right)$ if $ageqslant0$ and $(x,y)=left(0,pmsqrt{-a}right)$.



Otherwise, your approach is fine, but not your computations. You should have obtained, when $bneq0$,$$pmleft(sqrt{frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2},frac b{|b|}sqrt{frac{-a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2}right),$$where, of course,$$frac b{lvert brvert}=begin{cases}1&text{ if }b>0\-1&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$






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    The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
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    My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
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    I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
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If $b=0$, then either $x$ or $y$ is zero.



Suppose $age0$; then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=sqrt{a}$, $y=0$.



If $a<0$, then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=0$, $y=sqrt{-a}$.



In both cases, the constraint $xy=0$ is satisfied.



For the case $bne0$, you can substitute $y=b/(2x)$ and get the equation
$$
4x^4-4ax^2-b^2=0
$$

which is a biquadratic; the associated equation $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ has a positive root, because $-b^2<0$, so also the biquadratic has a solution (actually two).



Your computations are wrong. The positive root of $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ is
$$
frac{4a+sqrt{16a^2+16b^2}}{8}=frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}{2}
$$

Thus
$$
x=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}
$$

From $y=b/(2x)$ we get
begin{align}
y^2=frac{b^2}{4x^2}
&=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)} \[6px]
&=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)}frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a} \[6px]
&=frac{b^2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a)}{2(a^2+b^2-a^2)}\[6px]
&=frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}
end{align}



Therefore
$$
y=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}}
$$

The signs are not arbitrarily chosen: if you take the $+$ for $x$, then you will need to take the $+$ or the $-$ for $y$, according whether $b>0$ or $b<0$.






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    Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
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    Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
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    @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
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    You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
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    @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
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Geometric solution



If $;a,bneq 0;$ the equations define two hyperbolas centered both in $0,$ where




  • $I:x^2-y^2=a;$ has asymptotes $;y=pm x,$ and lies in the left and right sectors ($a>0$) or in upper and lower sectors ($a<0$) delimited by the asymptotes;


  • $II: 2xy= b;$ has asymptotes $;x=0,y=0;$ and lies in the first and third quadrants ($b>0$) or in the second and fourth if $b<0$ (the quadrants are sectors delimited by asymptotes).



If $a=0$ or $b=0,$ the corresponding equation defines the two asymptotes of $I$ or of $II.$



hyperbolas for a=25, b=4 and the asymptotes



Thus the two objects $I$ and $II$ necessarilly intersect in $2$ points if at least one of them is a hyperbola, and in one point in the degenerate case $a=0=b.$ The coordinates $(x,y)$ of these points are solutions of the system.






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    Actually, the statement is true even if $b=0$: just take $(x,y)=left(pmsqrt a,0right)$ if $ageqslant0$ and $(x,y)=left(0,pmsqrt{-a}right)$.



    Otherwise, your approach is fine, but not your computations. You should have obtained, when $bneq0$,$$pmleft(sqrt{frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2},frac b{|b|}sqrt{frac{-a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2}right),$$where, of course,$$frac b{lvert brvert}=begin{cases}1&text{ if }b>0\-1&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$






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      The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
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      My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
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      I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
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      Your criticism is justified. I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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    Actually, the statement is true even if $b=0$: just take $(x,y)=left(pmsqrt a,0right)$ if $ageqslant0$ and $(x,y)=left(0,pmsqrt{-a}right)$.



    Otherwise, your approach is fine, but not your computations. You should have obtained, when $bneq0$,$$pmleft(sqrt{frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2},frac b{|b|}sqrt{frac{-a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2}right),$$where, of course,$$frac b{lvert brvert}=begin{cases}1&text{ if }b>0\-1&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$






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      The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
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      My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
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      I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
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      Your criticism is justified. I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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    Actually, the statement is true even if $b=0$: just take $(x,y)=left(pmsqrt a,0right)$ if $ageqslant0$ and $(x,y)=left(0,pmsqrt{-a}right)$.



    Otherwise, your approach is fine, but not your computations. You should have obtained, when $bneq0$,$$pmleft(sqrt{frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2},frac b{|b|}sqrt{frac{-a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2}right),$$where, of course,$$frac b{lvert brvert}=begin{cases}1&text{ if }b>0\-1&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$






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    Actually, the statement is true even if $b=0$: just take $(x,y)=left(pmsqrt a,0right)$ if $ageqslant0$ and $(x,y)=left(0,pmsqrt{-a}right)$.



    Otherwise, your approach is fine, but not your computations. You should have obtained, when $bneq0$,$$pmleft(sqrt{frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2},frac b{|b|}sqrt{frac{-a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}2}right),$$where, of course,$$frac b{lvert brvert}=begin{cases}1&text{ if }b>0\-1&text{ otherwise.}end{cases}$$







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      The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
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      My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
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    • $begingroup$
      I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
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      – I like Serena
      Dec 2 '18 at 12:14












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      Your criticism is justified. I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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      – José Carlos Santos
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    • $begingroup$
      The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
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      – I like Serena
      Dec 2 '18 at 11:45












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      My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
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      – José Carlos Santos
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    • $begingroup$
      I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
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      Dec 2 '18 at 12:14












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      Your criticism is justified. I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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      – José Carlos Santos
      Dec 2 '18 at 12:17
















    $begingroup$
    The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
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    – I like Serena
    Dec 2 '18 at 11:45






    $begingroup$
    The ad hoc definition of $frac{b}{|b|}$ has a problem for $b=0$. If we take it as $-1$ then it results in the wrong solution if $a<0$.
    $endgroup$
    – I like Serena
    Dec 2 '18 at 11:45














    $begingroup$
    My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
    $endgroup$
    – José Carlos Santos
    Dec 2 '18 at 12:11




    $begingroup$
    My first sentence was about the case $b=0$ and then I began my next sentence with “Otherwise”. THerefore, your comment makes no sense.
    $endgroup$
    – José Carlos Santos
    Dec 2 '18 at 12:11












    $begingroup$
    I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
    $endgroup$
    – I like Serena
    Dec 2 '18 at 12:14






    $begingroup$
    I read 'Otherwise your approach is fine'. Not 'Otherwise, when $bne 0$, ...', which is apparently what you intended.
    $endgroup$
    – I like Serena
    Dec 2 '18 at 12:14














    $begingroup$
    Your criticism is justified. I've edited my answer. Thank you.
    $endgroup$
    – José Carlos Santos
    Dec 2 '18 at 12:17




    $begingroup$
    Your criticism is justified. I've edited my answer. Thank you.
    $endgroup$
    – José Carlos Santos
    Dec 2 '18 at 12:17











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    $begingroup$

    If $b=0$, then either $x$ or $y$ is zero.



    Suppose $age0$; then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=sqrt{a}$, $y=0$.



    If $a<0$, then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=0$, $y=sqrt{-a}$.



    In both cases, the constraint $xy=0$ is satisfied.



    For the case $bne0$, you can substitute $y=b/(2x)$ and get the equation
    $$
    4x^4-4ax^2-b^2=0
    $$

    which is a biquadratic; the associated equation $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ has a positive root, because $-b^2<0$, so also the biquadratic has a solution (actually two).



    Your computations are wrong. The positive root of $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ is
    $$
    frac{4a+sqrt{16a^2+16b^2}}{8}=frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}{2}
    $$

    Thus
    $$
    x=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}
    $$

    From $y=b/(2x)$ we get
    begin{align}
    y^2=frac{b^2}{4x^2}
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)}frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a)}{2(a^2+b^2-a^2)}\[6px]
    &=frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}
    end{align}



    Therefore
    $$
    y=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}}
    $$

    The signs are not arbitrarily chosen: if you take the $+$ for $x$, then you will need to take the $+$ or the $-$ for $y$, according whether $b>0$ or $b<0$.






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    • $begingroup$
      Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:46










    • $begingroup$
      Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:50












    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:54










    • $begingroup$
      You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:58










    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 16:09


















    1












    $begingroup$

    If $b=0$, then either $x$ or $y$ is zero.



    Suppose $age0$; then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=sqrt{a}$, $y=0$.



    If $a<0$, then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=0$, $y=sqrt{-a}$.



    In both cases, the constraint $xy=0$ is satisfied.



    For the case $bne0$, you can substitute $y=b/(2x)$ and get the equation
    $$
    4x^4-4ax^2-b^2=0
    $$

    which is a biquadratic; the associated equation $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ has a positive root, because $-b^2<0$, so also the biquadratic has a solution (actually two).



    Your computations are wrong. The positive root of $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ is
    $$
    frac{4a+sqrt{16a^2+16b^2}}{8}=frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}{2}
    $$

    Thus
    $$
    x=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}
    $$

    From $y=b/(2x)$ we get
    begin{align}
    y^2=frac{b^2}{4x^2}
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)}frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a)}{2(a^2+b^2-a^2)}\[6px]
    &=frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}
    end{align}



    Therefore
    $$
    y=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}}
    $$

    The signs are not arbitrarily chosen: if you take the $+$ for $x$, then you will need to take the $+$ or the $-$ for $y$, according whether $b>0$ or $b<0$.






    share|cite|improve this answer











    $endgroup$













    • $begingroup$
      Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:46










    • $begingroup$
      Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:50












    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:54










    • $begingroup$
      You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:58










    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 16:09
















    1












    1








    1





    $begingroup$

    If $b=0$, then either $x$ or $y$ is zero.



    Suppose $age0$; then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=sqrt{a}$, $y=0$.



    If $a<0$, then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=0$, $y=sqrt{-a}$.



    In both cases, the constraint $xy=0$ is satisfied.



    For the case $bne0$, you can substitute $y=b/(2x)$ and get the equation
    $$
    4x^4-4ax^2-b^2=0
    $$

    which is a biquadratic; the associated equation $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ has a positive root, because $-b^2<0$, so also the biquadratic has a solution (actually two).



    Your computations are wrong. The positive root of $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ is
    $$
    frac{4a+sqrt{16a^2+16b^2}}{8}=frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}{2}
    $$

    Thus
    $$
    x=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}
    $$

    From $y=b/(2x)$ we get
    begin{align}
    y^2=frac{b^2}{4x^2}
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)}frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a)}{2(a^2+b^2-a^2)}\[6px]
    &=frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}
    end{align}



    Therefore
    $$
    y=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}}
    $$

    The signs are not arbitrarily chosen: if you take the $+$ for $x$, then you will need to take the $+$ or the $-$ for $y$, according whether $b>0$ or $b<0$.






    share|cite|improve this answer











    $endgroup$



    If $b=0$, then either $x$ or $y$ is zero.



    Suppose $age0$; then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=sqrt{a}$, $y=0$.



    If $a<0$, then $x^2-y^2=a$ has the solution $x=0$, $y=sqrt{-a}$.



    In both cases, the constraint $xy=0$ is satisfied.



    For the case $bne0$, you can substitute $y=b/(2x)$ and get the equation
    $$
    4x^4-4ax^2-b^2=0
    $$

    which is a biquadratic; the associated equation $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ has a positive root, because $-b^2<0$, so also the biquadratic has a solution (actually two).



    Your computations are wrong. The positive root of $4z^2-4az-b^2=0$ is
    $$
    frac{4a+sqrt{16a^2+16b^2}}{8}=frac{a+sqrt{a^2+b^2}}{2}
    $$

    Thus
    $$
    x=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}
    $$

    From $y=b/(2x)$ we get
    begin{align}
    y^2=frac{b^2}{4x^2}
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2}{2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a)}frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a} \[6px]
    &=frac{b^2(sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a)}{2(a^2+b^2-a^2)}\[6px]
    &=frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}
    end{align}



    Therefore
    $$
    y=pmsqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}-a}{2}}
    $$

    The signs are not arbitrarily chosen: if you take the $+$ for $x$, then you will need to take the $+$ or the $-$ for $y$, according whether $b>0$ or $b<0$.







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    answered Dec 2 '18 at 11:07









    egregegreg

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    • $begingroup$
      Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:46










    • $begingroup$
      Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:50












    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:54










    • $begingroup$
      You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:58










    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 16:09




















    • $begingroup$
      Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:46










    • $begingroup$
      Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:50












    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:54










    • $begingroup$
      You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
      $endgroup$
      – RM777
      Dec 2 '18 at 15:58










    • $begingroup$
      @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
      $endgroup$
      – egreg
      Dec 2 '18 at 16:09


















    $begingroup$
    Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
    $endgroup$
    – RM777
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:46




    $begingroup$
    Can you tell me how you got the y-value?
    $endgroup$
    – RM777
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:46












    $begingroup$
    Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
    $endgroup$
    – RM777
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:50






    $begingroup$
    Because if I put the $x$ into $y=frac{b}{2x}$ , I get $y_1=frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}},y_2=-frac{b}{2sqrt{frac{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+a}{2}}}$
    $endgroup$
    – RM777
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:50














    $begingroup$
    @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:54




    $begingroup$
    @RM777 It's simpler to first compute $y^2$, I added it.
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:54












    $begingroup$
    You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
    $endgroup$
    – RM777
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:58




    $begingroup$
    You computed $y^2$ because it is easier but theoretically the $y_1,y_2$ I proposed are not false, are they?
    $endgroup$
    – RM777
    Dec 2 '18 at 15:58












    $begingroup$
    @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Dec 2 '18 at 16:09






    $begingroup$
    @RM777 They are the same in a different form.
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    Dec 2 '18 at 16:09













    1












    $begingroup$

    Geometric solution



    If $;a,bneq 0;$ the equations define two hyperbolas centered both in $0,$ where




    • $I:x^2-y^2=a;$ has asymptotes $;y=pm x,$ and lies in the left and right sectors ($a>0$) or in upper and lower sectors ($a<0$) delimited by the asymptotes;


    • $II: 2xy= b;$ has asymptotes $;x=0,y=0;$ and lies in the first and third quadrants ($b>0$) or in the second and fourth if $b<0$ (the quadrants are sectors delimited by asymptotes).



    If $a=0$ or $b=0,$ the corresponding equation defines the two asymptotes of $I$ or of $II.$



    hyperbolas for a=25, b=4 and the asymptotes



    Thus the two objects $I$ and $II$ necessarilly intersect in $2$ points if at least one of them is a hyperbola, and in one point in the degenerate case $a=0=b.$ The coordinates $(x,y)$ of these points are solutions of the system.






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      1












      $begingroup$

      Geometric solution



      If $;a,bneq 0;$ the equations define two hyperbolas centered both in $0,$ where




      • $I:x^2-y^2=a;$ has asymptotes $;y=pm x,$ and lies in the left and right sectors ($a>0$) or in upper and lower sectors ($a<0$) delimited by the asymptotes;


      • $II: 2xy= b;$ has asymptotes $;x=0,y=0;$ and lies in the first and third quadrants ($b>0$) or in the second and fourth if $b<0$ (the quadrants are sectors delimited by asymptotes).



      If $a=0$ or $b=0,$ the corresponding equation defines the two asymptotes of $I$ or of $II.$



      hyperbolas for a=25, b=4 and the asymptotes



      Thus the two objects $I$ and $II$ necessarilly intersect in $2$ points if at least one of them is a hyperbola, and in one point in the degenerate case $a=0=b.$ The coordinates $(x,y)$ of these points are solutions of the system.






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        1












        1








        1





        $begingroup$

        Geometric solution



        If $;a,bneq 0;$ the equations define two hyperbolas centered both in $0,$ where




        • $I:x^2-y^2=a;$ has asymptotes $;y=pm x,$ and lies in the left and right sectors ($a>0$) or in upper and lower sectors ($a<0$) delimited by the asymptotes;


        • $II: 2xy= b;$ has asymptotes $;x=0,y=0;$ and lies in the first and third quadrants ($b>0$) or in the second and fourth if $b<0$ (the quadrants are sectors delimited by asymptotes).



        If $a=0$ or $b=0,$ the corresponding equation defines the two asymptotes of $I$ or of $II.$



        hyperbolas for a=25, b=4 and the asymptotes



        Thus the two objects $I$ and $II$ necessarilly intersect in $2$ points if at least one of them is a hyperbola, and in one point in the degenerate case $a=0=b.$ The coordinates $(x,y)$ of these points are solutions of the system.






        share|cite|improve this answer











        $endgroup$



        Geometric solution



        If $;a,bneq 0;$ the equations define two hyperbolas centered both in $0,$ where




        • $I:x^2-y^2=a;$ has asymptotes $;y=pm x,$ and lies in the left and right sectors ($a>0$) or in upper and lower sectors ($a<0$) delimited by the asymptotes;


        • $II: 2xy= b;$ has asymptotes $;x=0,y=0;$ and lies in the first and third quadrants ($b>0$) or in the second and fourth if $b<0$ (the quadrants are sectors delimited by asymptotes).



        If $a=0$ or $b=0,$ the corresponding equation defines the two asymptotes of $I$ or of $II.$



        hyperbolas for a=25, b=4 and the asymptotes



        Thus the two objects $I$ and $II$ necessarilly intersect in $2$ points if at least one of them is a hyperbola, and in one point in the degenerate case $a=0=b.$ The coordinates $(x,y)$ of these points are solutions of the system.







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