How to prove that adding $n$ to the numerator and denominator will move the resultant fraction close to $1$?
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Given a fraction:
$$frac{a}{b}$$
I now add a number $n$ to both numerator and denominator in the following fashion:
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}$$
The basic property is that the second fraction is suppose to closer to 1 than the first one. My question is how can we prove that?
What I have tried:
I know $frac{n}{n} = 1$ so now adding numbers $a$ and $b$ to it would actually "move it away" from $1$. But I cannot understand why $frac{a}{b}$ is actually farther away from 1 than $frac{a+n}{b+n}$.
Why is that? What does it mean to add a number to both the numerator and denominator?
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Given a fraction:
$$frac{a}{b}$$
I now add a number $n$ to both numerator and denominator in the following fashion:
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}$$
The basic property is that the second fraction is suppose to closer to 1 than the first one. My question is how can we prove that?
What I have tried:
I know $frac{n}{n} = 1$ so now adding numbers $a$ and $b$ to it would actually "move it away" from $1$. But I cannot understand why $frac{a}{b}$ is actually farther away from 1 than $frac{a+n}{b+n}$.
Why is that? What does it mean to add a number to both the numerator and denominator?
inequality arithmetic fractions
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@SikFengCheong I dont understand. What does it mean?
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:36
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If $a lt b$, I just think of the two fractions as batting averages. If you start with a batting average of $a/b$ and get $n$ hits in your next $n$ at bats, your batting average will go up.
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– Robert Shore
Feb 6 at 9:01
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Adding one to the numerator and denominator of $frac{-2}{-3}$ increases the distance from $1$.
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– Martin R
Feb 6 at 9:17
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Compute the limit as $n rightarrow infty$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:00
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It's not true in general, but it is true for $n, a, b > 0$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:06
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Given a fraction:
$$frac{a}{b}$$
I now add a number $n$ to both numerator and denominator in the following fashion:
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}$$
The basic property is that the second fraction is suppose to closer to 1 than the first one. My question is how can we prove that?
What I have tried:
I know $frac{n}{n} = 1$ so now adding numbers $a$ and $b$ to it would actually "move it away" from $1$. But I cannot understand why $frac{a}{b}$ is actually farther away from 1 than $frac{a+n}{b+n}$.
Why is that? What does it mean to add a number to both the numerator and denominator?
inequality arithmetic fractions
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Given a fraction:
$$frac{a}{b}$$
I now add a number $n$ to both numerator and denominator in the following fashion:
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}$$
The basic property is that the second fraction is suppose to closer to 1 than the first one. My question is how can we prove that?
What I have tried:
I know $frac{n}{n} = 1$ so now adding numbers $a$ and $b$ to it would actually "move it away" from $1$. But I cannot understand why $frac{a}{b}$ is actually farther away from 1 than $frac{a+n}{b+n}$.
Why is that? What does it mean to add a number to both the numerator and denominator?
inequality arithmetic fractions
inequality arithmetic fractions
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@SikFengCheong I dont understand. What does it mean?
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:36
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If $a lt b$, I just think of the two fractions as batting averages. If you start with a batting average of $a/b$ and get $n$ hits in your next $n$ at bats, your batting average will go up.
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– Robert Shore
Feb 6 at 9:01
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Adding one to the numerator and denominator of $frac{-2}{-3}$ increases the distance from $1$.
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– Martin R
Feb 6 at 9:17
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Compute the limit as $n rightarrow infty$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:00
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It's not true in general, but it is true for $n, a, b > 0$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:06
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@SikFengCheong I dont understand. What does it mean?
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:36
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If $a lt b$, I just think of the two fractions as batting averages. If you start with a batting average of $a/b$ and get $n$ hits in your next $n$ at bats, your batting average will go up.
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– Robert Shore
Feb 6 at 9:01
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Adding one to the numerator and denominator of $frac{-2}{-3}$ increases the distance from $1$.
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– Martin R
Feb 6 at 9:17
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Compute the limit as $n rightarrow infty$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:00
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It's not true in general, but it is true for $n, a, b > 0$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:06
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@SikFengCheong I dont understand. What does it mean?
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:36
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@SikFengCheong I dont understand. What does it mean?
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:36
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If $a lt b$, I just think of the two fractions as batting averages. If you start with a batting average of $a/b$ and get $n$ hits in your next $n$ at bats, your batting average will go up.
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– Robert Shore
Feb 6 at 9:01
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If $a lt b$, I just think of the two fractions as batting averages. If you start with a batting average of $a/b$ and get $n$ hits in your next $n$ at bats, your batting average will go up.
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– Robert Shore
Feb 6 at 9:01
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Adding one to the numerator and denominator of $frac{-2}{-3}$ increases the distance from $1$.
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– Martin R
Feb 6 at 9:17
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Adding one to the numerator and denominator of $frac{-2}{-3}$ increases the distance from $1$.
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– Martin R
Feb 6 at 9:17
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Compute the limit as $n rightarrow infty$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:00
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Compute the limit as $n rightarrow infty$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:00
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It's not true in general, but it is true for $n, a, b > 0$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:06
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It's not true in general, but it is true for $n, a, b > 0$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:06
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There's a very simple way to see this. Just take the difference between the two fractions and 1. You want to show that this is smaller in modulus for the second fraction.
You get $$ frac{a}{b} - 1 = frac{a-b}{b} $$ and
$$ frac{a+n}{b+n} -1 = frac{a-b}{b+n} $$
So the second is smaller in modulus (provided $b$ and $n$ are positive, although I supposed it also works if both are negative) because it has same numerator and larger (modulus) denominator, QED.
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Visually: Consider the slope of the line segment from $(0, 0)$ to $(a+n, b+n$):
Mathematically (assuming $a, b, n > 0$): The distance
$$
left| frac {a+n}{b+n} - 1right| = frac{|a-b|}{b+n}
$$
is decreasing in $n$ (and approaches zero for $n to infty$).
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
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You should start by thinking about particular cases. For instance, $dfrac{3+2}{7+2}=dfrac59$, which is indeed closer to $1$ than $dfrac37$.
Anyway, note that, if $a<b$ (and consequently, $a+n<b+n$, for which $frac ab<1$ and $frac{a+n}{b+n} < 1$), then$$frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab=frac{(a+n)b-a(b+n)}{(b+n)b}=frac{n(b-a)}{(b+n)b}>0$$
This shows $frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab>0$, and we already know both are $<1$, so:
$$frac ab<frac{a+n}{b+n}<1.$$So, yes, $dfrac{a+n}{b+n}$ is closer to $1$ than $dfrac ab$.
Can you deal with the case $a>b$ now?
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:46
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Feb 6 at 8:47
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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– José Carlos Santos
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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– José Carlos Santos
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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If $b$ and $d$ have the same sign, both
$$
frac ab-frac{a+c}{b+d}=frac1bfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag1
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and
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}-frac cd=frac1dfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag2
$$
also have the same sign. Thus,
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac cdtag3
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Therefore, if $bngt0$,
$$
frac{a+n}{b+n}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac nn=1tag4
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Well, $frac{a+n}{b+n} = frac{frac{a}{n}+1}{frac{b}{n}+1}$. So if $nrightarrow infty$, then $frac{a}{n}rightarrow 0$ and $frac{b}{n}rightarrow 0$. Thus $frac{a+n}{b+n}rightarrow 1$.
As said in the comments, the answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true.
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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– user21820
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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– Did
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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– Did
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Suppose $a,b,n in mathbb Q$, $0 < a < b$ and $n > 0$.
$$dfrac ab = dfrac{a(b+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{ab+an}{b(b+n)}
<dfrac{ab+bn}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{b(a+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{a+n}{b+n}
< dfrac{b+n}{b+n} = 1$$
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Let $a=kb$. ($k$ doesnt necessarily have to be an integer). Then:
$$frac ab = k$$
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=frac{k(b+n)-(k-1)n}{b+n}$$
$$=k-frac{kn-n}{b+n}$$
Can you show the extra term is positive when $k>1$, and negative when $k<1$? (Hint: let $k=1+t$ for first case and $k=1-t$ for the second)
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 11:21
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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– Rhys Hughes
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You have to suppose $a,b >0$. Now, it is clear that, if $a<b,;$ i.e. $:smash{dfrac ab}<1$, $a+n<b+n$, hence $smash{dfrac{a+n}{b+n}}<1$, and similarly if $dfrac ab>1$.
- If $dfrac ab<1$, then $;dfrac ab<dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(<1)$, which is equivalent to
$$a(b+n)<b(a+n)iff an<bniff a<b.$$
- Similar proof that if $dfrac ab>1$, then $;dfrac ab>dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(>1)$.
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Just for the fun of it, since you already received very good answers.
Perform the long division to get
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=1+frac{a-b}nleft(1-frac{b}{n}+frac{b^2}{n^2}-frac{b^3}{n^3} +cdotsright)=1+frac{a-b}nsum_{k=0}^infty (-1)^k left(frac bnright)^k$$
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There's a very simple way to see this. Just take the difference between the two fractions and 1. You want to show that this is smaller in modulus for the second fraction.
You get $$ frac{a}{b} - 1 = frac{a-b}{b} $$ and
$$ frac{a+n}{b+n} -1 = frac{a-b}{b+n} $$
So the second is smaller in modulus (provided $b$ and $n$ are positive, although I supposed it also works if both are negative) because it has same numerator and larger (modulus) denominator, QED.
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There's a very simple way to see this. Just take the difference between the two fractions and 1. You want to show that this is smaller in modulus for the second fraction.
You get $$ frac{a}{b} - 1 = frac{a-b}{b} $$ and
$$ frac{a+n}{b+n} -1 = frac{a-b}{b+n} $$
So the second is smaller in modulus (provided $b$ and $n$ are positive, although I supposed it also works if both are negative) because it has same numerator and larger (modulus) denominator, QED.
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There's a very simple way to see this. Just take the difference between the two fractions and 1. You want to show that this is smaller in modulus for the second fraction.
You get $$ frac{a}{b} - 1 = frac{a-b}{b} $$ and
$$ frac{a+n}{b+n} -1 = frac{a-b}{b+n} $$
So the second is smaller in modulus (provided $b$ and $n$ are positive, although I supposed it also works if both are negative) because it has same numerator and larger (modulus) denominator, QED.
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There's a very simple way to see this. Just take the difference between the two fractions and 1. You want to show that this is smaller in modulus for the second fraction.
You get $$ frac{a}{b} - 1 = frac{a-b}{b} $$ and
$$ frac{a+n}{b+n} -1 = frac{a-b}{b+n} $$
So the second is smaller in modulus (provided $b$ and $n$ are positive, although I supposed it also works if both are negative) because it has same numerator and larger (modulus) denominator, QED.
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Visually: Consider the slope of the line segment from $(0, 0)$ to $(a+n, b+n$):
Mathematically (assuming $a, b, n > 0$): The distance
$$
left| frac {a+n}{b+n} - 1right| = frac{|a-b|}{b+n}
$$
is decreasing in $n$ (and approaches zero for $n to infty$).
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
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Visually: Consider the slope of the line segment from $(0, 0)$ to $(a+n, b+n$):
Mathematically (assuming $a, b, n > 0$): The distance
$$
left| frac {a+n}{b+n} - 1right| = frac{|a-b|}{b+n}
$$
is decreasing in $n$ (and approaches zero for $n to infty$).
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 7 at 6:50
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Visually: Consider the slope of the line segment from $(0, 0)$ to $(a+n, b+n$):
Mathematically (assuming $a, b, n > 0$): The distance
$$
left| frac {a+n}{b+n} - 1right| = frac{|a-b|}{b+n}
$$
is decreasing in $n$ (and approaches zero for $n to infty$).
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Visually: Consider the slope of the line segment from $(0, 0)$ to $(a+n, b+n$):
Mathematically (assuming $a, b, n > 0$): The distance
$$
left| frac {a+n}{b+n} - 1right| = frac{|a-b|}{b+n}
$$
is decreasing in $n$ (and approaches zero for $n to infty$).
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 7 at 6:50
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 7 at 6:50
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 7 at 6:50
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[+1] The value of a fraction as a slope is too rarely found. More generally, there are not enough answers that use graphical representations permiting to have a different, complementary, mental representation. It is what I try to do as well in many of my answers.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 7 at 6:50
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You should start by thinking about particular cases. For instance, $dfrac{3+2}{7+2}=dfrac59$, which is indeed closer to $1$ than $dfrac37$.
Anyway, note that, if $a<b$ (and consequently, $a+n<b+n$, for which $frac ab<1$ and $frac{a+n}{b+n} < 1$), then$$frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab=frac{(a+n)b-a(b+n)}{(b+n)b}=frac{n(b-a)}{(b+n)b}>0$$
This shows $frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab>0$, and we already know both are $<1$, so:
$$frac ab<frac{a+n}{b+n}<1.$$So, yes, $dfrac{a+n}{b+n}$ is closer to $1$ than $dfrac ab$.
Can you deal with the case $a>b$ now?
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:46
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Feb 6 at 8:47
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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– José Carlos Santos
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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– José Carlos Santos
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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– José Carlos Santos
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You should start by thinking about particular cases. For instance, $dfrac{3+2}{7+2}=dfrac59$, which is indeed closer to $1$ than $dfrac37$.
Anyway, note that, if $a<b$ (and consequently, $a+n<b+n$, for which $frac ab<1$ and $frac{a+n}{b+n} < 1$), then$$frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab=frac{(a+n)b-a(b+n)}{(b+n)b}=frac{n(b-a)}{(b+n)b}>0$$
This shows $frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab>0$, and we already know both are $<1$, so:
$$frac ab<frac{a+n}{b+n}<1.$$So, yes, $dfrac{a+n}{b+n}$ is closer to $1$ than $dfrac ab$.
Can you deal with the case $a>b$ now?
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:46
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Feb 6 at 8:47
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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– José Carlos Santos
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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– José Carlos Santos
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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You should start by thinking about particular cases. For instance, $dfrac{3+2}{7+2}=dfrac59$, which is indeed closer to $1$ than $dfrac37$.
Anyway, note that, if $a<b$ (and consequently, $a+n<b+n$, for which $frac ab<1$ and $frac{a+n}{b+n} < 1$), then$$frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab=frac{(a+n)b-a(b+n)}{(b+n)b}=frac{n(b-a)}{(b+n)b}>0$$
This shows $frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab>0$, and we already know both are $<1$, so:
$$frac ab<frac{a+n}{b+n}<1.$$So, yes, $dfrac{a+n}{b+n}$ is closer to $1$ than $dfrac ab$.
Can you deal with the case $a>b$ now?
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You should start by thinking about particular cases. For instance, $dfrac{3+2}{7+2}=dfrac59$, which is indeed closer to $1$ than $dfrac37$.
Anyway, note that, if $a<b$ (and consequently, $a+n<b+n$, for which $frac ab<1$ and $frac{a+n}{b+n} < 1$), then$$frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab=frac{(a+n)b-a(b+n)}{(b+n)b}=frac{n(b-a)}{(b+n)b}>0$$
This shows $frac{a+n}{b+n}-frac ab>0$, and we already know both are $<1$, so:
$$frac ab<frac{a+n}{b+n}<1.$$So, yes, $dfrac{a+n}{b+n}$ is closer to $1$ than $dfrac ab$.
Can you deal with the case $a>b$ now?
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Feb 6 at 8:47
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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– José Carlos Santos
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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– ng.newbie
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I dont understand how $$(a+n)b-a(b+n) = n(b-a)$$
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Feb 6 at 8:46
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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– José Carlos Santos
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Because $(a+n)b-a(b+n)=ab+nb-ab-an=n(b-a)$.
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– José Carlos Santos
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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You don't understand that $a+n<b+nifffrac{a+n}{b+n}<1$?
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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– José Carlos Santos
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No! I proved that dividing both sides of the inequality $a+n<b+n$ by $b+n$.
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– José Carlos Santos
Feb 6 at 9:06
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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– José Carlos Santos
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Yes, that is what I proved, except that I did not mention the “decimal value of that fraction”, whatever that is.
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If $b$ and $d$ have the same sign, both
$$
frac ab-frac{a+c}{b+d}=frac1bfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag1
$$
and
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}-frac cd=frac1dfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag2
$$
also have the same sign. Thus,
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac cdtag3
$$
Therefore, if $bngt0$,
$$
frac{a+n}{b+n}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac nn=1tag4
$$
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If $b$ and $d$ have the same sign, both
$$
frac ab-frac{a+c}{b+d}=frac1bfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag1
$$
and
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}-frac cd=frac1dfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag2
$$
also have the same sign. Thus,
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac cdtag3
$$
Therefore, if $bngt0$,
$$
frac{a+n}{b+n}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac nn=1tag4
$$
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If $b$ and $d$ have the same sign, both
$$
frac ab-frac{a+c}{b+d}=frac1bfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag1
$$
and
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}-frac cd=frac1dfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag2
$$
also have the same sign. Thus,
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac cdtag3
$$
Therefore, if $bngt0$,
$$
frac{a+n}{b+n}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac nn=1tag4
$$
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If $b$ and $d$ have the same sign, both
$$
frac ab-frac{a+c}{b+d}=frac1bfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag1
$$
and
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}-frac cd=frac1dfrac{ad-bc}{b+d}tag2
$$
also have the same sign. Thus,
$$
frac{a+c}{b+d}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac cdtag3
$$
Therefore, if $bngt0$,
$$
frac{a+n}{b+n}text{ is between }frac abtext{ and }frac nn=1tag4
$$
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Well, $frac{a+n}{b+n} = frac{frac{a}{n}+1}{frac{b}{n}+1}$. So if $nrightarrow infty$, then $frac{a}{n}rightarrow 0$ and $frac{b}{n}rightarrow 0$. Thus $frac{a+n}{b+n}rightarrow 1$.
As said in the comments, the answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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Well, $frac{a+n}{b+n} = frac{frac{a}{n}+1}{frac{b}{n}+1}$. So if $nrightarrow infty$, then $frac{a}{n}rightarrow 0$ and $frac{b}{n}rightarrow 0$. Thus $frac{a+n}{b+n}rightarrow 1$.
As said in the comments, the answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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– user21820
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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– Did
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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Well, $frac{a+n}{b+n} = frac{frac{a}{n}+1}{frac{b}{n}+1}$. So if $nrightarrow infty$, then $frac{a}{n}rightarrow 0$ and $frac{b}{n}rightarrow 0$. Thus $frac{a+n}{b+n}rightarrow 1$.
As said in the comments, the answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true.
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Well, $frac{a+n}{b+n} = frac{frac{a}{n}+1}{frac{b}{n}+1}$. So if $nrightarrow infty$, then $frac{a}{n}rightarrow 0$ and $frac{b}{n}rightarrow 0$. Thus $frac{a+n}{b+n}rightarrow 1$.
As said in the comments, the answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true.
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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– Did
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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– Pedro Tamaroff♦
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The answer is incorrect in that it does not address precisely what the OP asks, but gives some intuition as to why it is true, so please modify it or otherwise delete it, since the vote tally 17/12 which is now at 5 might mislead other users into thinking it is correct. I can also convert it into a comment. Thank you,
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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@PedroTamaroff: I'm not sure why Xander Henderson's precise objection has been moved to chat, since it is obviously not an extended discussion. In any case, it is false that this answer gives any intuition whatsoever. Surely you won't say that $sqrt[n]{n} > sqrt[n+1]{n+1}$ for positive integer $n$ intuitively 'based' on the fact that $sqrt[n]{n} → 0$ as $n → ∞$? I've just given an explicit example to show that the notion in this post is useless.
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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– Did
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Contrary to what a mod (!) pretends above, this answer does not give any intuition as to why the fraction (a+n)/(b+n) "is suppose[d] to [be] closer to 1 than" the fraction a/b, which is what the OP is asking. (For the record, I also share @user21820's puzzlement about the reason why a precise mathematical objection formulated in the comments by another user to this effect, has been moved to chat.)
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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– Did
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@user170039 Why these comments? Again, here is the situation: 1. The result is true. 2. Its proof is simple. 3. Such a proof is not in the answer above. 4. The answer above does not "give [any] intuition as to why it is true". 5. A mod deleted some comments explaining why. 6. And asserted wrongly that the answer above "gives some intuition as to why it is true". 7. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find that mathematically wrong answers should be signalled as such. 8. Some users (but perhaps not all of them) find annoying that a mod endorses some wrong mathematical content ...
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Suppose $a,b,n in mathbb Q$, $0 < a < b$ and $n > 0$.
$$dfrac ab = dfrac{a(b+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{ab+an}{b(b+n)}
<dfrac{ab+bn}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{b(a+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{a+n}{b+n}
< dfrac{b+n}{b+n} = 1$$
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Suppose $a,b,n in mathbb Q$, $0 < a < b$ and $n > 0$.
$$dfrac ab = dfrac{a(b+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{ab+an}{b(b+n)}
<dfrac{ab+bn}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{b(a+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{a+n}{b+n}
< dfrac{b+n}{b+n} = 1$$
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Suppose $a,b,n in mathbb Q$, $0 < a < b$ and $n > 0$.
$$dfrac ab = dfrac{a(b+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{ab+an}{b(b+n)}
<dfrac{ab+bn}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{b(a+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{a+n}{b+n}
< dfrac{b+n}{b+n} = 1$$
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Suppose $a,b,n in mathbb Q$, $0 < a < b$ and $n > 0$.
$$dfrac ab = dfrac{a(b+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{ab+an}{b(b+n)}
<dfrac{ab+bn}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{b(a+n)}{b(b+n)} = dfrac{a+n}{b+n}
< dfrac{b+n}{b+n} = 1$$
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Let $a=kb$. ($k$ doesnt necessarily have to be an integer). Then:
$$frac ab = k$$
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=frac{k(b+n)-(k-1)n}{b+n}$$
$$=k-frac{kn-n}{b+n}$$
Can you show the extra term is positive when $k>1$, and negative when $k<1$? (Hint: let $k=1+t$ for first case and $k=1-t$ for the second)
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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Let $a=kb$. ($k$ doesnt necessarily have to be an integer). Then:
$$frac ab = k$$
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=frac{k(b+n)-(k-1)n}{b+n}$$
$$=k-frac{kn-n}{b+n}$$
Can you show the extra term is positive when $k>1$, and negative when $k<1$? (Hint: let $k=1+t$ for first case and $k=1-t$ for the second)
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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Let $a=kb$. ($k$ doesnt necessarily have to be an integer). Then:
$$frac ab = k$$
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=frac{k(b+n)-(k-1)n}{b+n}$$
$$=k-frac{kn-n}{b+n}$$
Can you show the extra term is positive when $k>1$, and negative when $k<1$? (Hint: let $k=1+t$ for first case and $k=1-t$ for the second)
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Let $a=kb$. ($k$ doesnt necessarily have to be an integer). Then:
$$frac ab = k$$
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=frac{k(b+n)-(k-1)n}{b+n}$$
$$=k-frac{kn-n}{b+n}$$
Can you show the extra term is positive when $k>1$, and negative when $k<1$? (Hint: let $k=1+t$ for first case and $k=1-t$ for the second)
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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Feb 6 at 11:21
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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– Rhys Hughes
Feb 6 at 11:49
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 11:21
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Can you please how $a+b = k(b+n)-(k-1)n$ ?? I don't understand how you got that.
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 11:21
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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– Rhys Hughes
Feb 6 at 11:49
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Thats not what it is. Its $(a+n)=(bk+n)$, and then we use $n=kn-(k-1)n$
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– Rhys Hughes
Feb 6 at 11:49
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You have to suppose $a,b >0$. Now, it is clear that, if $a<b,;$ i.e. $:smash{dfrac ab}<1$, $a+n<b+n$, hence $smash{dfrac{a+n}{b+n}}<1$, and similarly if $dfrac ab>1$.
- If $dfrac ab<1$, then $;dfrac ab<dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(<1)$, which is equivalent to
$$a(b+n)<b(a+n)iff an<bniff a<b.$$
- Similar proof that if $dfrac ab>1$, then $;dfrac ab>dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(>1)$.
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You have to suppose $a,b >0$. Now, it is clear that, if $a<b,;$ i.e. $:smash{dfrac ab}<1$, $a+n<b+n$, hence $smash{dfrac{a+n}{b+n}}<1$, and similarly if $dfrac ab>1$.
- If $dfrac ab<1$, then $;dfrac ab<dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(<1)$, which is equivalent to
$$a(b+n)<b(a+n)iff an<bniff a<b.$$
- Similar proof that if $dfrac ab>1$, then $;dfrac ab>dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(>1)$.
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You have to suppose $a,b >0$. Now, it is clear that, if $a<b,;$ i.e. $:smash{dfrac ab}<1$, $a+n<b+n$, hence $smash{dfrac{a+n}{b+n}}<1$, and similarly if $dfrac ab>1$.
- If $dfrac ab<1$, then $;dfrac ab<dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(<1)$, which is equivalent to
$$a(b+n)<b(a+n)iff an<bniff a<b.$$
- Similar proof that if $dfrac ab>1$, then $;dfrac ab>dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(>1)$.
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You have to suppose $a,b >0$. Now, it is clear that, if $a<b,;$ i.e. $:smash{dfrac ab}<1$, $a+n<b+n$, hence $smash{dfrac{a+n}{b+n}}<1$, and similarly if $dfrac ab>1$.
- If $dfrac ab<1$, then $;dfrac ab<dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(<1)$, which is equivalent to
$$a(b+n)<b(a+n)iff an<bniff a<b.$$
- Similar proof that if $dfrac ab>1$, then $;dfrac ab>dfrac{a+n}{b+n}:(>1)$.
answered Feb 6 at 10:31
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Just for the fun of it, since you already received very good answers.
Perform the long division to get
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=1+frac{a-b}nleft(1-frac{b}{n}+frac{b^2}{n^2}-frac{b^3}{n^3} +cdotsright)=1+frac{a-b}nsum_{k=0}^infty (-1)^k left(frac bnright)^k$$
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Just for the fun of it, since you already received very good answers.
Perform the long division to get
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=1+frac{a-b}nleft(1-frac{b}{n}+frac{b^2}{n^2}-frac{b^3}{n^3} +cdotsright)=1+frac{a-b}nsum_{k=0}^infty (-1)^k left(frac bnright)^k$$
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Just for the fun of it, since you already received very good answers.
Perform the long division to get
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=1+frac{a-b}nleft(1-frac{b}{n}+frac{b^2}{n^2}-frac{b^3}{n^3} +cdotsright)=1+frac{a-b}nsum_{k=0}^infty (-1)^k left(frac bnright)^k$$
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Just for the fun of it, since you already received very good answers.
Perform the long division to get
$$frac{a+n}{b+n}=1+frac{a-b}nleft(1-frac{b}{n}+frac{b^2}{n^2}-frac{b^3}{n^3} +cdotsright)=1+frac{a-b}nsum_{k=0}^infty (-1)^k left(frac bnright)^k$$
answered 21 hours ago
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@SikFengCheong I dont understand. What does it mean?
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– ng.newbie
Feb 6 at 8:36
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If $a lt b$, I just think of the two fractions as batting averages. If you start with a batting average of $a/b$ and get $n$ hits in your next $n$ at bats, your batting average will go up.
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– Robert Shore
Feb 6 at 9:01
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Adding one to the numerator and denominator of $frac{-2}{-3}$ increases the distance from $1$.
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– Martin R
Feb 6 at 9:17
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Compute the limit as $n rightarrow infty$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:00
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It's not true in general, but it is true for $n, a, b > 0$.
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– chepner
Feb 6 at 21:06