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Let $A$ be a finite set of $[0,1]$ and $F$ a sub-vector-space of $C([0,1],mathbb R^n)$.



When is the pointwise convergence on $A$ equivalent to the uniform one.



And with $A$ be countable?



I suppose the finite dimension of $F$ is sufficient but is it necessary? Not sure for the second case.



Is there a more general condition to have this equivalence (with any vector-space)?










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    @Interestingproblems Do you wish to interpret “the uniform one” as the uniform convergence on $A$ or as the uniform convergence on $[0,1]$, as in this recent question?
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    It is not really clear what you are asking. It seems that the question mentioned in Alex Ravsky's comment is a duplicate, but stated more precisely.
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Let $A$ be a finite set of $[0,1]$ and $F$ a sub-vector-space of $C([0,1],mathbb R^n)$.



When is the pointwise convergence on $A$ equivalent to the uniform one.



And with $A$ be countable?



I suppose the finite dimension of $F$ is sufficient but is it necessary? Not sure for the second case.



Is there a more general condition to have this equivalence (with any vector-space)?










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    Look up for Egorov-Theorem
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    – quallenjäger
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    @Interestingproblems Do you wish to interpret “the uniform one” as the uniform convergence on $A$ or as the uniform convergence on $[0,1]$, as in this recent question?
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    – Alex Ravsky
    Nov 29 '18 at 18:20










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    It is not really clear what you are asking. It seems that the question mentioned in Alex Ravsky's comment is a duplicate, but stated more precisely.
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    – Paul Frost
    Nov 29 '18 at 23:57














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Let $A$ be a finite set of $[0,1]$ and $F$ a sub-vector-space of $C([0,1],mathbb R^n)$.



When is the pointwise convergence on $A$ equivalent to the uniform one.



And with $A$ be countable?



I suppose the finite dimension of $F$ is sufficient but is it necessary? Not sure for the second case.



Is there a more general condition to have this equivalence (with any vector-space)?










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Let $A$ be a finite set of $[0,1]$ and $F$ a sub-vector-space of $C([0,1],mathbb R^n)$.



When is the pointwise convergence on $A$ equivalent to the uniform one.



And with $A$ be countable?



I suppose the finite dimension of $F$ is sufficient but is it necessary? Not sure for the second case.



Is there a more general condition to have this equivalence (with any vector-space)?







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    $begingroup$
    @Interestingproblems Do you wish to interpret “the uniform one” as the uniform convergence on $A$ or as the uniform convergence on $[0,1]$, as in this recent question?
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ravsky
    Nov 29 '18 at 18:20










  • $begingroup$
    It is not really clear what you are asking. It seems that the question mentioned in Alex Ravsky's comment is a duplicate, but stated more precisely.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Frost
    Nov 29 '18 at 23:57


















  • $begingroup$
    Look up for Egorov-Theorem
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    – quallenjäger
    Jan 21 '18 at 12:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Interestingproblems Do you wish to interpret “the uniform one” as the uniform convergence on $A$ or as the uniform convergence on $[0,1]$, as in this recent question?
    $endgroup$
    – Alex Ravsky
    Nov 29 '18 at 18:20










  • $begingroup$
    It is not really clear what you are asking. It seems that the question mentioned in Alex Ravsky's comment is a duplicate, but stated more precisely.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Frost
    Nov 29 '18 at 23:57
















$begingroup$
Look up for Egorov-Theorem
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– quallenjäger
Jan 21 '18 at 12:43




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Look up for Egorov-Theorem
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– quallenjäger
Jan 21 '18 at 12:43




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$begingroup$
@Interestingproblems Do you wish to interpret “the uniform one” as the uniform convergence on $A$ or as the uniform convergence on $[0,1]$, as in this recent question?
$endgroup$
– Alex Ravsky
Nov 29 '18 at 18:20




$begingroup$
@Interestingproblems Do you wish to interpret “the uniform one” as the uniform convergence on $A$ or as the uniform convergence on $[0,1]$, as in this recent question?
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– Alex Ravsky
Nov 29 '18 at 18:20












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It is not really clear what you are asking. It seems that the question mentioned in Alex Ravsky's comment is a duplicate, but stated more precisely.
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– Paul Frost
Nov 29 '18 at 23:57




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In this answer I assume the second interpretation from my comment. In the thread linked there I answered the question for the case of finite $A$ and $n=1$. I expect the case of $n>1$ can be dealt very similarly.
I can add to that my answer the following.



There exists a sequence $f_n$ of functions of $C([0,1],Bbb R)$ which converges on $[0,1]$ to the zero function pointwise, but not uniformly. Namely, for each $n$ let $f_n(0)=f_n(1)=f_n(1/n)=0$, $f_n(1/(2n))=1$ and between the points $0$, $1/(2n)$, $1/n$ and $1$ the function $f_n$ is linear.



For each $A$ not dense in $X$ we can pick a non-zero function $f_Ain C([0,1],Bbb R)$ such that $f_A|A$ is zero. Let $F$ be a one-dimensional linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$ spanned by $f_A$. Then $f|A$ is zero function for any $fin F$, so pointwise convergence on $A$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ does not imply its (uniform) convergence on $[0,1]$.



For any linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$, whose dimension $dim F$ is finite there exists a subset $A$ of $[0,1]$ such that $|A|=dim F $ and restriction $f|A$ of $f$ on $A$ is a non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F$. So, in this case, by proposition from my answer, for each sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ and each function $fin F$, ${f_n}$ converges to $f$ uniformly on $[0,1]$ iff ${f_n|A}$ converges to $f|A$ pointwise on $A$.



The existence of such a set $A$ we can prove by induction with respect to $dim F$. For $dim F=1$ pick $A={a}$, where $ain [0,1]$ is an arbitrary point such that $f(a)ne 0$ for any non-zero function $fin F$. Assume that we alredy have proved the induction hypothesis for $dim Fle d$. Let $dim F=d+1$ and $b_1,dots, b_{d+1}$ be the basis of the space $F$. Let $F’$ be the linear subspace of $F$ spanned by functions $b_1,dots, b_d$. By the induction hypothesis there exists a subset $A’$ of $[0,1]$ of size $d$ such that $f|A’$ is non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F’$. Put $G={fin F:f|A’$ is the zero function$}$. Since $|A’|=d$, the map $F’toBbb R^{A’}$, $fmapsto f|A$ is surjective. Using this we can easily show that $F=F’+G$. Now, let $f, gin G$ be any functions. There exist not both zero $lambda$ and $mu$ such that $lambda f+mu gin F$. Since $(lambda f+mu g)|A=0_A$, $lambda f+mu g=0$. Thus $dim G=1$. Pick an arbitrary point $ain [0,1]$ such that $f(a)ne 0$ any non-zero function $fin G$ and put $A=A’cup{a}$. Using that $F=F’+G$, we can easily show that $A$ is a required set.



But I don’t know whether there exists an infinitely dimensional $F$ such that pointwise convergence on $[0,1]$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ implies its uniform convergence.






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    In this answer I assume the second interpretation from my comment. In the thread linked there I answered the question for the case of finite $A$ and $n=1$. I expect the case of $n>1$ can be dealt very similarly.
    I can add to that my answer the following.



    There exists a sequence $f_n$ of functions of $C([0,1],Bbb R)$ which converges on $[0,1]$ to the zero function pointwise, but not uniformly. Namely, for each $n$ let $f_n(0)=f_n(1)=f_n(1/n)=0$, $f_n(1/(2n))=1$ and between the points $0$, $1/(2n)$, $1/n$ and $1$ the function $f_n$ is linear.



    For each $A$ not dense in $X$ we can pick a non-zero function $f_Ain C([0,1],Bbb R)$ such that $f_A|A$ is zero. Let $F$ be a one-dimensional linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$ spanned by $f_A$. Then $f|A$ is zero function for any $fin F$, so pointwise convergence on $A$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ does not imply its (uniform) convergence on $[0,1]$.



    For any linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$, whose dimension $dim F$ is finite there exists a subset $A$ of $[0,1]$ such that $|A|=dim F $ and restriction $f|A$ of $f$ on $A$ is a non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F$. So, in this case, by proposition from my answer, for each sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ and each function $fin F$, ${f_n}$ converges to $f$ uniformly on $[0,1]$ iff ${f_n|A}$ converges to $f|A$ pointwise on $A$.



    The existence of such a set $A$ we can prove by induction with respect to $dim F$. For $dim F=1$ pick $A={a}$, where $ain [0,1]$ is an arbitrary point such that $f(a)ne 0$ for any non-zero function $fin F$. Assume that we alredy have proved the induction hypothesis for $dim Fle d$. Let $dim F=d+1$ and $b_1,dots, b_{d+1}$ be the basis of the space $F$. Let $F’$ be the linear subspace of $F$ spanned by functions $b_1,dots, b_d$. By the induction hypothesis there exists a subset $A’$ of $[0,1]$ of size $d$ such that $f|A’$ is non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F’$. Put $G={fin F:f|A’$ is the zero function$}$. Since $|A’|=d$, the map $F’toBbb R^{A’}$, $fmapsto f|A$ is surjective. Using this we can easily show that $F=F’+G$. Now, let $f, gin G$ be any functions. There exist not both zero $lambda$ and $mu$ such that $lambda f+mu gin F$. Since $(lambda f+mu g)|A=0_A$, $lambda f+mu g=0$. Thus $dim G=1$. Pick an arbitrary point $ain [0,1]$ such that $f(a)ne 0$ any non-zero function $fin G$ and put $A=A’cup{a}$. Using that $F=F’+G$, we can easily show that $A$ is a required set.



    But I don’t know whether there exists an infinitely dimensional $F$ such that pointwise convergence on $[0,1]$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ implies its uniform convergence.






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      In this answer I assume the second interpretation from my comment. In the thread linked there I answered the question for the case of finite $A$ and $n=1$. I expect the case of $n>1$ can be dealt very similarly.
      I can add to that my answer the following.



      There exists a sequence $f_n$ of functions of $C([0,1],Bbb R)$ which converges on $[0,1]$ to the zero function pointwise, but not uniformly. Namely, for each $n$ let $f_n(0)=f_n(1)=f_n(1/n)=0$, $f_n(1/(2n))=1$ and between the points $0$, $1/(2n)$, $1/n$ and $1$ the function $f_n$ is linear.



      For each $A$ not dense in $X$ we can pick a non-zero function $f_Ain C([0,1],Bbb R)$ such that $f_A|A$ is zero. Let $F$ be a one-dimensional linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$ spanned by $f_A$. Then $f|A$ is zero function for any $fin F$, so pointwise convergence on $A$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ does not imply its (uniform) convergence on $[0,1]$.



      For any linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$, whose dimension $dim F$ is finite there exists a subset $A$ of $[0,1]$ such that $|A|=dim F $ and restriction $f|A$ of $f$ on $A$ is a non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F$. So, in this case, by proposition from my answer, for each sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ and each function $fin F$, ${f_n}$ converges to $f$ uniformly on $[0,1]$ iff ${f_n|A}$ converges to $f|A$ pointwise on $A$.



      The existence of such a set $A$ we can prove by induction with respect to $dim F$. For $dim F=1$ pick $A={a}$, where $ain [0,1]$ is an arbitrary point such that $f(a)ne 0$ for any non-zero function $fin F$. Assume that we alredy have proved the induction hypothesis for $dim Fle d$. Let $dim F=d+1$ and $b_1,dots, b_{d+1}$ be the basis of the space $F$. Let $F’$ be the linear subspace of $F$ spanned by functions $b_1,dots, b_d$. By the induction hypothesis there exists a subset $A’$ of $[0,1]$ of size $d$ such that $f|A’$ is non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F’$. Put $G={fin F:f|A’$ is the zero function$}$. Since $|A’|=d$, the map $F’toBbb R^{A’}$, $fmapsto f|A$ is surjective. Using this we can easily show that $F=F’+G$. Now, let $f, gin G$ be any functions. There exist not both zero $lambda$ and $mu$ such that $lambda f+mu gin F$. Since $(lambda f+mu g)|A=0_A$, $lambda f+mu g=0$. Thus $dim G=1$. Pick an arbitrary point $ain [0,1]$ such that $f(a)ne 0$ any non-zero function $fin G$ and put $A=A’cup{a}$. Using that $F=F’+G$, we can easily show that $A$ is a required set.



      But I don’t know whether there exists an infinitely dimensional $F$ such that pointwise convergence on $[0,1]$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ implies its uniform convergence.






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        In this answer I assume the second interpretation from my comment. In the thread linked there I answered the question for the case of finite $A$ and $n=1$. I expect the case of $n>1$ can be dealt very similarly.
        I can add to that my answer the following.



        There exists a sequence $f_n$ of functions of $C([0,1],Bbb R)$ which converges on $[0,1]$ to the zero function pointwise, but not uniformly. Namely, for each $n$ let $f_n(0)=f_n(1)=f_n(1/n)=0$, $f_n(1/(2n))=1$ and between the points $0$, $1/(2n)$, $1/n$ and $1$ the function $f_n$ is linear.



        For each $A$ not dense in $X$ we can pick a non-zero function $f_Ain C([0,1],Bbb R)$ such that $f_A|A$ is zero. Let $F$ be a one-dimensional linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$ spanned by $f_A$. Then $f|A$ is zero function for any $fin F$, so pointwise convergence on $A$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ does not imply its (uniform) convergence on $[0,1]$.



        For any linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$, whose dimension $dim F$ is finite there exists a subset $A$ of $[0,1]$ such that $|A|=dim F $ and restriction $f|A$ of $f$ on $A$ is a non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F$. So, in this case, by proposition from my answer, for each sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ and each function $fin F$, ${f_n}$ converges to $f$ uniformly on $[0,1]$ iff ${f_n|A}$ converges to $f|A$ pointwise on $A$.



        The existence of such a set $A$ we can prove by induction with respect to $dim F$. For $dim F=1$ pick $A={a}$, where $ain [0,1]$ is an arbitrary point such that $f(a)ne 0$ for any non-zero function $fin F$. Assume that we alredy have proved the induction hypothesis for $dim Fle d$. Let $dim F=d+1$ and $b_1,dots, b_{d+1}$ be the basis of the space $F$. Let $F’$ be the linear subspace of $F$ spanned by functions $b_1,dots, b_d$. By the induction hypothesis there exists a subset $A’$ of $[0,1]$ of size $d$ such that $f|A’$ is non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F’$. Put $G={fin F:f|A’$ is the zero function$}$. Since $|A’|=d$, the map $F’toBbb R^{A’}$, $fmapsto f|A$ is surjective. Using this we can easily show that $F=F’+G$. Now, let $f, gin G$ be any functions. There exist not both zero $lambda$ and $mu$ such that $lambda f+mu gin F$. Since $(lambda f+mu g)|A=0_A$, $lambda f+mu g=0$. Thus $dim G=1$. Pick an arbitrary point $ain [0,1]$ such that $f(a)ne 0$ any non-zero function $fin G$ and put $A=A’cup{a}$. Using that $F=F’+G$, we can easily show that $A$ is a required set.



        But I don’t know whether there exists an infinitely dimensional $F$ such that pointwise convergence on $[0,1]$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ implies its uniform convergence.






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        In this answer I assume the second interpretation from my comment. In the thread linked there I answered the question for the case of finite $A$ and $n=1$. I expect the case of $n>1$ can be dealt very similarly.
        I can add to that my answer the following.



        There exists a sequence $f_n$ of functions of $C([0,1],Bbb R)$ which converges on $[0,1]$ to the zero function pointwise, but not uniformly. Namely, for each $n$ let $f_n(0)=f_n(1)=f_n(1/n)=0$, $f_n(1/(2n))=1$ and between the points $0$, $1/(2n)$, $1/n$ and $1$ the function $f_n$ is linear.



        For each $A$ not dense in $X$ we can pick a non-zero function $f_Ain C([0,1],Bbb R)$ such that $f_A|A$ is zero. Let $F$ be a one-dimensional linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$ spanned by $f_A$. Then $f|A$ is zero function for any $fin F$, so pointwise convergence on $A$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ does not imply its (uniform) convergence on $[0,1]$.



        For any linear space $Fsubset C([0,1],Bbb R)$, whose dimension $dim F$ is finite there exists a subset $A$ of $[0,1]$ such that $|A|=dim F $ and restriction $f|A$ of $f$ on $A$ is a non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F$. So, in this case, by proposition from my answer, for each sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ and each function $fin F$, ${f_n}$ converges to $f$ uniformly on $[0,1]$ iff ${f_n|A}$ converges to $f|A$ pointwise on $A$.



        The existence of such a set $A$ we can prove by induction with respect to $dim F$. For $dim F=1$ pick $A={a}$, where $ain [0,1]$ is an arbitrary point such that $f(a)ne 0$ for any non-zero function $fin F$. Assume that we alredy have proved the induction hypothesis for $dim Fle d$. Let $dim F=d+1$ and $b_1,dots, b_{d+1}$ be the basis of the space $F$. Let $F’$ be the linear subspace of $F$ spanned by functions $b_1,dots, b_d$. By the induction hypothesis there exists a subset $A’$ of $[0,1]$ of size $d$ such that $f|A’$ is non-zero function for each non-zero function $fin F’$. Put $G={fin F:f|A’$ is the zero function$}$. Since $|A’|=d$, the map $F’toBbb R^{A’}$, $fmapsto f|A$ is surjective. Using this we can easily show that $F=F’+G$. Now, let $f, gin G$ be any functions. There exist not both zero $lambda$ and $mu$ such that $lambda f+mu gin F$. Since $(lambda f+mu g)|A=0_A$, $lambda f+mu g=0$. Thus $dim G=1$. Pick an arbitrary point $ain [0,1]$ such that $f(a)ne 0$ any non-zero function $fin G$ and put $A=A’cup{a}$. Using that $F=F’+G$, we can easily show that $A$ is a required set.



        But I don’t know whether there exists an infinitely dimensional $F$ such that pointwise convergence on $[0,1]$ to zero of the sequence ${f_n}$ of functions of $F$ implies its uniform convergence.







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