Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS and Radeon R9 390 - can't install video drivers (not proprietary, not additional)












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First of all sory for any nonsense, but after days and days of trying to set it up and reading forums, I still fell like I have missed something important. I am totaly new in Linux world. And sorry for bad english :)



So, previously using Windows 10, now dual booting W10 and Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS with hopes to learn about it and eventualy switch to it. But seem like graphic card does not let me.
The first and biggest obstacle with which I am dealing now for few days is Radeon R9 390. Black screens, tearing picture (when triyng to install Linux Mint),... Ok, I quickly found instructions to add "nomodeset" at start when installing Ubuntu, so now I do this procedure:




  • Booting in USB with Ubuntu ISO, pressing "e" to add "nomodeset" (without nomodeset I get black screen),

  • installation succesfull,

  • restart,

  • in grub2 before starting freshly installed Ubuntu again adding "nomodeset".


So when I am on installed ubuntu desktop, first I update sistem, restart, again in grub add " nomodeset", then I go to "AMD download drivers" website, download amdgpu-pro drivers, extract drivers, go to Terminal, write "cd amdgpu-pro-17.30-NNNNNN", then "./amdgpu-pro-install –y"......
....instalation seems to go nicely, but then I get this line:



"WARNING: nomodeset detected in kernel parameters, amdgpu requires KMS"



Terminal text
http://shrani.si/f/R/GX/3nIBaOOE/img20181220125732.jpg



What does this KMS mean?
Now I do not know if the drivers were installed. If I restart and select Ubuntu in grub menu, I get this list and I am stuck. The only thing I know to do on this point is to install Ubuntu again... And hope I will magicly find something. :P



http://shrani.si/f/3X/aa/3TfGnJAr/img20181230224309.jpg



After installing AMD drivers, and restarting, should I change anything in grub? I have tried, as suggested on one forum, to add "blacklist=radeon".



Grub after restart http://shrani.si/f/W/fR/jcyEbL0/img20181230224141.jpg



Please help me. Thanks :)



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*EDITED:
I have tried to install additional drivers, like Kristopher Ives suggested in comment, but here is the next problem. There are no additional drivers available. (Looks like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jFgJI.png )
To solve this i have tried this solutions
- I have added repository with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa AND sudo apt-get update"



List is still empty.
I am totally lost :( Am I missing something? Is there any other way?



Firstly, I have tried to install proprietary AMD drivers, since some says these are better, but with no luck (problem described above). After this, I have no luck with additional drivers... How is this possible. Should I buy some other video card?










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  • KMS means Kernel Mode Set, which is being disabled when you add the nomodeset boot option.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:11











  • Have you tried using the built in Ubuntu Drivers manager instead of using the AMD download? It's often much better / easier to use the built in software from Ubuntu than to download proprietary third party stuff.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:14











  • I have updated post, with new problems. Thank you for help anyway :) Now I have empty list in additionaly drivers. And no suggestions I can find on google sems to work...

    – Ubusm
    Dec 31 '18 at 14:13













  • Hello! Does anyone know the solution for my problem? I'm still stuck. :(

    – Ubusm
    Jan 12 at 15:37
















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First of all sory for any nonsense, but after days and days of trying to set it up and reading forums, I still fell like I have missed something important. I am totaly new in Linux world. And sorry for bad english :)



So, previously using Windows 10, now dual booting W10 and Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS with hopes to learn about it and eventualy switch to it. But seem like graphic card does not let me.
The first and biggest obstacle with which I am dealing now for few days is Radeon R9 390. Black screens, tearing picture (when triyng to install Linux Mint),... Ok, I quickly found instructions to add "nomodeset" at start when installing Ubuntu, so now I do this procedure:




  • Booting in USB with Ubuntu ISO, pressing "e" to add "nomodeset" (without nomodeset I get black screen),

  • installation succesfull,

  • restart,

  • in grub2 before starting freshly installed Ubuntu again adding "nomodeset".


So when I am on installed ubuntu desktop, first I update sistem, restart, again in grub add " nomodeset", then I go to "AMD download drivers" website, download amdgpu-pro drivers, extract drivers, go to Terminal, write "cd amdgpu-pro-17.30-NNNNNN", then "./amdgpu-pro-install –y"......
....instalation seems to go nicely, but then I get this line:



"WARNING: nomodeset detected in kernel parameters, amdgpu requires KMS"



Terminal text
http://shrani.si/f/R/GX/3nIBaOOE/img20181220125732.jpg



What does this KMS mean?
Now I do not know if the drivers were installed. If I restart and select Ubuntu in grub menu, I get this list and I am stuck. The only thing I know to do on this point is to install Ubuntu again... And hope I will magicly find something. :P



http://shrani.si/f/3X/aa/3TfGnJAr/img20181230224309.jpg



After installing AMD drivers, and restarting, should I change anything in grub? I have tried, as suggested on one forum, to add "blacklist=radeon".



Grub after restart http://shrani.si/f/W/fR/jcyEbL0/img20181230224141.jpg



Please help me. Thanks :)



.



.



.



*EDITED:
I have tried to install additional drivers, like Kristopher Ives suggested in comment, but here is the next problem. There are no additional drivers available. (Looks like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jFgJI.png )
To solve this i have tried this solutions
- I have added repository with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa AND sudo apt-get update"



List is still empty.
I am totally lost :( Am I missing something? Is there any other way?



Firstly, I have tried to install proprietary AMD drivers, since some says these are better, but with no luck (problem described above). After this, I have no luck with additional drivers... How is this possible. Should I buy some other video card?










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  • KMS means Kernel Mode Set, which is being disabled when you add the nomodeset boot option.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:11











  • Have you tried using the built in Ubuntu Drivers manager instead of using the AMD download? It's often much better / easier to use the built in software from Ubuntu than to download proprietary third party stuff.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:14











  • I have updated post, with new problems. Thank you for help anyway :) Now I have empty list in additionaly drivers. And no suggestions I can find on google sems to work...

    – Ubusm
    Dec 31 '18 at 14:13













  • Hello! Does anyone know the solution for my problem? I'm still stuck. :(

    – Ubusm
    Jan 12 at 15:37














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First of all sory for any nonsense, but after days and days of trying to set it up and reading forums, I still fell like I have missed something important. I am totaly new in Linux world. And sorry for bad english :)



So, previously using Windows 10, now dual booting W10 and Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS with hopes to learn about it and eventualy switch to it. But seem like graphic card does not let me.
The first and biggest obstacle with which I am dealing now for few days is Radeon R9 390. Black screens, tearing picture (when triyng to install Linux Mint),... Ok, I quickly found instructions to add "nomodeset" at start when installing Ubuntu, so now I do this procedure:




  • Booting in USB with Ubuntu ISO, pressing "e" to add "nomodeset" (without nomodeset I get black screen),

  • installation succesfull,

  • restart,

  • in grub2 before starting freshly installed Ubuntu again adding "nomodeset".


So when I am on installed ubuntu desktop, first I update sistem, restart, again in grub add " nomodeset", then I go to "AMD download drivers" website, download amdgpu-pro drivers, extract drivers, go to Terminal, write "cd amdgpu-pro-17.30-NNNNNN", then "./amdgpu-pro-install –y"......
....instalation seems to go nicely, but then I get this line:



"WARNING: nomodeset detected in kernel parameters, amdgpu requires KMS"



Terminal text
http://shrani.si/f/R/GX/3nIBaOOE/img20181220125732.jpg



What does this KMS mean?
Now I do not know if the drivers were installed. If I restart and select Ubuntu in grub menu, I get this list and I am stuck. The only thing I know to do on this point is to install Ubuntu again... And hope I will magicly find something. :P



http://shrani.si/f/3X/aa/3TfGnJAr/img20181230224309.jpg



After installing AMD drivers, and restarting, should I change anything in grub? I have tried, as suggested on one forum, to add "blacklist=radeon".



Grub after restart http://shrani.si/f/W/fR/jcyEbL0/img20181230224141.jpg



Please help me. Thanks :)



.



.



.



*EDITED:
I have tried to install additional drivers, like Kristopher Ives suggested in comment, but here is the next problem. There are no additional drivers available. (Looks like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jFgJI.png )
To solve this i have tried this solutions
- I have added repository with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa AND sudo apt-get update"



List is still empty.
I am totally lost :( Am I missing something? Is there any other way?



Firstly, I have tried to install proprietary AMD drivers, since some says these are better, but with no luck (problem described above). After this, I have no luck with additional drivers... How is this possible. Should I buy some other video card?










share|improve this question
















First of all sory for any nonsense, but after days and days of trying to set it up and reading forums, I still fell like I have missed something important. I am totaly new in Linux world. And sorry for bad english :)



So, previously using Windows 10, now dual booting W10 and Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS with hopes to learn about it and eventualy switch to it. But seem like graphic card does not let me.
The first and biggest obstacle with which I am dealing now for few days is Radeon R9 390. Black screens, tearing picture (when triyng to install Linux Mint),... Ok, I quickly found instructions to add "nomodeset" at start when installing Ubuntu, so now I do this procedure:




  • Booting in USB with Ubuntu ISO, pressing "e" to add "nomodeset" (without nomodeset I get black screen),

  • installation succesfull,

  • restart,

  • in grub2 before starting freshly installed Ubuntu again adding "nomodeset".


So when I am on installed ubuntu desktop, first I update sistem, restart, again in grub add " nomodeset", then I go to "AMD download drivers" website, download amdgpu-pro drivers, extract drivers, go to Terminal, write "cd amdgpu-pro-17.30-NNNNNN", then "./amdgpu-pro-install –y"......
....instalation seems to go nicely, but then I get this line:



"WARNING: nomodeset detected in kernel parameters, amdgpu requires KMS"



Terminal text
http://shrani.si/f/R/GX/3nIBaOOE/img20181220125732.jpg



What does this KMS mean?
Now I do not know if the drivers were installed. If I restart and select Ubuntu in grub menu, I get this list and I am stuck. The only thing I know to do on this point is to install Ubuntu again... And hope I will magicly find something. :P



http://shrani.si/f/3X/aa/3TfGnJAr/img20181230224309.jpg



After installing AMD drivers, and restarting, should I change anything in grub? I have tried, as suggested on one forum, to add "blacklist=radeon".



Grub after restart http://shrani.si/f/W/fR/jcyEbL0/img20181230224141.jpg



Please help me. Thanks :)



.



.



.



*EDITED:
I have tried to install additional drivers, like Kristopher Ives suggested in comment, but here is the next problem. There are no additional drivers available. (Looks like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jFgJI.png )
To solve this i have tried this solutions
- I have added repository with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa AND sudo apt-get update"



List is still empty.
I am totally lost :( Am I missing something? Is there any other way?



Firstly, I have tried to install proprietary AMD drivers, since some says these are better, but with no luck (problem described above). After this, I have no luck with additional drivers... How is this possible. Should I buy some other video card?







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  • KMS means Kernel Mode Set, which is being disabled when you add the nomodeset boot option.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:11











  • Have you tried using the built in Ubuntu Drivers manager instead of using the AMD download? It's often much better / easier to use the built in software from Ubuntu than to download proprietary third party stuff.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:14











  • I have updated post, with new problems. Thank you for help anyway :) Now I have empty list in additionaly drivers. And no suggestions I can find on google sems to work...

    – Ubusm
    Dec 31 '18 at 14:13













  • Hello! Does anyone know the solution for my problem? I'm still stuck. :(

    – Ubusm
    Jan 12 at 15:37



















  • KMS means Kernel Mode Set, which is being disabled when you add the nomodeset boot option.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:11











  • Have you tried using the built in Ubuntu Drivers manager instead of using the AMD download? It's often much better / easier to use the built in software from Ubuntu than to download proprietary third party stuff.

    – Kristopher Ives
    Dec 31 '18 at 0:14











  • I have updated post, with new problems. Thank you for help anyway :) Now I have empty list in additionaly drivers. And no suggestions I can find on google sems to work...

    – Ubusm
    Dec 31 '18 at 14:13













  • Hello! Does anyone know the solution for my problem? I'm still stuck. :(

    – Ubusm
    Jan 12 at 15:37

















KMS means Kernel Mode Set, which is being disabled when you add the nomodeset boot option.

– Kristopher Ives
Dec 31 '18 at 0:11





KMS means Kernel Mode Set, which is being disabled when you add the nomodeset boot option.

– Kristopher Ives
Dec 31 '18 at 0:11













Have you tried using the built in Ubuntu Drivers manager instead of using the AMD download? It's often much better / easier to use the built in software from Ubuntu than to download proprietary third party stuff.

– Kristopher Ives
Dec 31 '18 at 0:14





Have you tried using the built in Ubuntu Drivers manager instead of using the AMD download? It's often much better / easier to use the built in software from Ubuntu than to download proprietary third party stuff.

– Kristopher Ives
Dec 31 '18 at 0:14













I have updated post, with new problems. Thank you for help anyway :) Now I have empty list in additionaly drivers. And no suggestions I can find on google sems to work...

– Ubusm
Dec 31 '18 at 14:13







I have updated post, with new problems. Thank you for help anyway :) Now I have empty list in additionaly drivers. And no suggestions I can find on google sems to work...

– Ubusm
Dec 31 '18 at 14:13















Hello! Does anyone know the solution for my problem? I'm still stuck. :(

– Ubusm
Jan 12 at 15:37





Hello! Does anyone know the solution for my problem? I'm still stuck. :(

– Ubusm
Jan 12 at 15:37










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I don't have an answer, but I'm experiencing exactly the same thing. amdgpu-pro-18.50-708488-ubuntu-18.04 driver doesn't work and the generic display driver installed with Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS doesn't work either. I am only able to use recovery mode (NOMODESET) to run my system, and am still needing a solution. I'll try opening a request with AMD. My system processor is an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 six core, my graphics card is a Radeon RX570. Linux kernel supplied with Ubuntu is version 4.15.0-43-generic.






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  • I disagree with you that this isn't an answer. It is an answer because the author of the question can install the missing graphics driver problem by selecting the root option in recovery mode

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I solved this by installing 18.04 with a nvidia card.
Then, installed the amd (amdgpu pro 18.50 in my case) drivers.
Shutdown, remove nvidia card, and boot.



Hope this helps.
:)
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    Part 2:
    You can also install using another PC.
    I used a G4400 Intel mobo (nvidia video) to install Ubuntu Mate 18.04 OS and amdgpu drivers before shutting down and moving the hdd (nvme) to my radeon 2400G.
    It worked like a charm. I used the same AMD drivers as you.



    Remove your radeon card, and try nvidia, at least for the short term.



    :)






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      I don't have an answer, but I'm experiencing exactly the same thing. amdgpu-pro-18.50-708488-ubuntu-18.04 driver doesn't work and the generic display driver installed with Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS doesn't work either. I am only able to use recovery mode (NOMODESET) to run my system, and am still needing a solution. I'll try opening a request with AMD. My system processor is an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 six core, my graphics card is a Radeon RX570. Linux kernel supplied with Ubuntu is version 4.15.0-43-generic.






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      • I disagree with you that this isn't an answer. It is an answer because the author of the question can install the missing graphics driver problem by selecting the root option in recovery mode

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      I don't have an answer, but I'm experiencing exactly the same thing. amdgpu-pro-18.50-708488-ubuntu-18.04 driver doesn't work and the generic display driver installed with Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS doesn't work either. I am only able to use recovery mode (NOMODESET) to run my system, and am still needing a solution. I'll try opening a request with AMD. My system processor is an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 six core, my graphics card is a Radeon RX570. Linux kernel supplied with Ubuntu is version 4.15.0-43-generic.






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      I don't have an answer, but I'm experiencing exactly the same thing. amdgpu-pro-18.50-708488-ubuntu-18.04 driver doesn't work and the generic display driver installed with Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS doesn't work either. I am only able to use recovery mode (NOMODESET) to run my system, and am still needing a solution. I'll try opening a request with AMD. My system processor is an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 six core, my graphics card is a Radeon RX570. Linux kernel supplied with Ubuntu is version 4.15.0-43-generic.






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      I don't have an answer, but I'm experiencing exactly the same thing. amdgpu-pro-18.50-708488-ubuntu-18.04 driver doesn't work and the generic display driver installed with Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS doesn't work either. I am only able to use recovery mode (NOMODESET) to run my system, and am still needing a solution. I'll try opening a request with AMD. My system processor is an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 six core, my graphics card is a Radeon RX570. Linux kernel supplied with Ubuntu is version 4.15.0-43-generic.







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      • I disagree with you that this isn't an answer. It is an answer because the author of the question can install the missing graphics driver problem by selecting the root option in recovery mode

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      I solved this by installing 18.04 with a nvidia card.
      Then, installed the amd (amdgpu pro 18.50 in my case) drivers.
      Shutdown, remove nvidia card, and boot.



      Hope this helps.
      :)
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        I solved this by installing 18.04 with a nvidia card.
        Then, installed the amd (amdgpu pro 18.50 in my case) drivers.
        Shutdown, remove nvidia card, and boot.



        Hope this helps.
        :)
        AndyBurn






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          I solved this by installing 18.04 with a nvidia card.
          Then, installed the amd (amdgpu pro 18.50 in my case) drivers.
          Shutdown, remove nvidia card, and boot.



          Hope this helps.
          :)
          AndyBurn






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          I solved this by installing 18.04 with a nvidia card.
          Then, installed the amd (amdgpu pro 18.50 in my case) drivers.
          Shutdown, remove nvidia card, and boot.



          Hope this helps.
          :)
          AndyBurn







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              Part 2:
              You can also install using another PC.
              I used a G4400 Intel mobo (nvidia video) to install Ubuntu Mate 18.04 OS and amdgpu drivers before shutting down and moving the hdd (nvme) to my radeon 2400G.
              It worked like a charm. I used the same AMD drivers as you.



              Remove your radeon card, and try nvidia, at least for the short term.



              :)






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                Part 2:
                You can also install using another PC.
                I used a G4400 Intel mobo (nvidia video) to install Ubuntu Mate 18.04 OS and amdgpu drivers before shutting down and moving the hdd (nvme) to my radeon 2400G.
                It worked like a charm. I used the same AMD drivers as you.



                Remove your radeon card, and try nvidia, at least for the short term.



                :)






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                  Part 2:
                  You can also install using another PC.
                  I used a G4400 Intel mobo (nvidia video) to install Ubuntu Mate 18.04 OS and amdgpu drivers before shutting down and moving the hdd (nvme) to my radeon 2400G.
                  It worked like a charm. I used the same AMD drivers as you.



                  Remove your radeon card, and try nvidia, at least for the short term.



                  :)






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                  Part 2:
                  You can also install using another PC.
                  I used a G4400 Intel mobo (nvidia video) to install Ubuntu Mate 18.04 OS and amdgpu drivers before shutting down and moving the hdd (nvme) to my radeon 2400G.
                  It worked like a charm. I used the same AMD drivers as you.



                  Remove your radeon card, and try nvidia, at least for the short term.



                  :)







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